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As filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on November 21, 2001
   
REGISTRATION STATEMENT NO.  333-
  333-44122


SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549


FORM S-3

REGISTRATION STATEMENT
UNDER
THE SECURITIES ACT OF 1933


         
THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.   Minnesota   41-0518860
ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II   Delaware   41-6495364
(Exact name of Registrant as
specified in its charter)
  (State or other jurisdiction of
incorporation or organization)
  (I.R.S. Employer Identification No.)

385 Washington Street
St. Paul, Minnesota 55102
(651) 310-7911
(Address, including zip code, and telephone number, including area code, of
Registrant’s principal executive offices)


Bruce A. Backberg
Senior Vice President
The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
385 Washington Street, St. Paul, Minnesota 55102
(651) 310-7916
(Name, address, including zip code, and telephone number, including
area code, of agent for service)


Copy to:
Donald R. Crawshaw
Sullivan & Cromwell
125 Broad Street
New York, New York 10004
(212) 558-4000


          Approximate date of commencement of proposed sale to the public: From time to time after the effective date of this registration statement.


         If the only securities being registered on this Form are being offered pursuant to dividend or interest reinvestment plans, please check the following box.    (BOX)     

         If any of the securities being registered on this Form are to be offered on a delayed or continuous basis pursuant to Rule 415 under the Securities Act of 1933, other than securities offered only in connection with dividend or interest reinvestment plans, check the following box.    (X BOX)     

         If this Form is filed to register additional securities for an offering pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act, please check the following box and list the Securities Act registration statement number of the earlier effective registration statement for the same offering.    (BOX)     

         If this Form is a post-effective amendment filed pursuant to Rule 462(c) under the Securities Act, check the following box and list the Securities Act registration statement number of the earlier effective registration statement for the same offering.    (BOX)     

         If delivery of the prospectus is expected to be made pursuant to Rule 434, please check the following box.    (BOX)     

CALCULATION OF REGISTRATION FEE

                                 
            Proposed Maximum   Proposed Maximum   Amount of
Title of Each Class of Securities to be   Amount to be   Offering Price Per   Aggregate Offering   Registration
Registered   Registered(8)(9)   Unit(10)(11)   Price(6)(8)(9)(11)   Fee(3)(12)

 
 
 
 
Senior Debt Securities of The St. Paul Companies, Inc
    (1 )(2)(3)(6)            

 
Subordinated Debt Securities of The St Paul Companies, Inc.
    (1 )(2)(6)                        

 
Preferred Stock of The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
    (1 )(2)(6)                        

 
Depositary Shares of The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
    (1 )(2)(6)                        

 
Common Stock, without par value, of The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
    (1 )(2)(6)     100 %   $ 1,000,000     $ 250  

 
Warrants of The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
    (1 )(4)                        

 
Stock Purchase Contracts of The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
    (1 )(5)                        

 
Units of The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
    (1 )                        

 
Preferred Securities of St. Paul Capital Trust II
    (1 )(7)                        

 
The St. Paul Companies, Inc. Guarantee of Preferred Securities of St. Paul Capital Trust II
    (1 )(7)                        

 
TOTAL
  $ 1,000,000                        


(1)   Such indeterminate number, principal amount or liquidation amount of senior debt securities, subordinated debt securities, preferred stock, depositary shares, common stock, warrants, stock purchase contracts and units of The St. Paul Companies, Inc. and of the preferred securities of St. Paul Capital Trust II and the related guarantee of The St. Paul Companies, Inc. as may from time to time be issued at indeterminate prices. The securities registered hereunder shall not have an aggregate offering price which exceeds $1,000,000 in United States dollars or the equivalent in any other currency.
(2)   Also includes such indeterminate number of senior debt securities, subordinated debt securities and shares of common stock, preferred stock and depositary shares as may be issued upon conversion or exchange of any senior debt securities, subordinated debt securities, preferred stock or depositary shares that provide for conversion or exchange into other securities or upon exercise of warrants for such securities.
(3)   Pursuant to Rule 429 under the Securities Act, the prospectus filed as part of this Registration Statement also relates to $1,000,000,000 maximum aggregate offering price of The St. Paul Companies, Inc.’s debt securities that were previously registered pursuant to Registration Statement No. 333-44122 and have not yet been issued and sold; a filing fee of $264,000 was paid with respect to those debt securities.
(4)   Warrants may be sold separately or with senior debt securities, subordinated debt securities, preferred stock, common stock, depositary shares or preferred securities.
(5)   Includes an indeterminate number of shares of common stock or preferred stock, as applicable, to be issuable by The St. Paul Companies, Inc. upon settlement of stock purchase contracts.
(6)   No separate consideration will be received for the senior debt securities, subordinated debt securities, preferred stock, depositary shares or common stock issuable upon conversion of or in exchange for senior debt securities, subordinated debt securities, preferred stock or depositary shares. In addition, no separate consideration will be received for any preferred securities redeemed for subordinated debt securities in lieu of cash.
(7)   Includes the rights of holders of the preferred securities under the guarantee of preferred securities and back-up undertaking, consisting of obligations by The St. Paul Companies, Inc., as set forth in the amended and restated declaration of trust, the subordinated debt securities indenture and any supplemental indenture thereto, in each case as further described in the Registration Statement. No separate consideration will be received for any guarantee or any back-up undertakings.
(8)   In United States dollars or the equivalent thereof in any other currency, currency unit or units, or composite currency or currencies.
(9)   Such amount represents the principal amount of any senior debt securities, subordinated debt securities or preferred securities issued at their principal or liquidation amount, the issue price rather than the principal or liquidation amount of any senior debt securities, subordinated debt securities or preferred securities issued at an original issue discount, the liquidation preference of any preferred stock or depositary shares, the amount computed pursuant to Rule 457(c) for any common stock, the issue price of any warrants and the exercise price of any securities issuable upon exercise of warrants.
(10)   Estimated solely for the purpose of computing the registration fee.
(11)   Exclusive of accrued interest and distributions, if any.
(12)   Calculated pursuant to Rule 457(o) of the rules and regulations under the Securities Act.



This Registration Statement, which is a new Registration Statement, also constitutes Post-Effective Amendment No. 1 to Registration Statement No. 333-44122, which was declared effective on August 30, 2000. Such Post-Effective Amendment shall hereafter become effective concurrently with the effectiveness of this Registration Statement and in accordance with Section 8(c) of the Securities Act of 1933. Pursuant to Rule 429 under the Securities Act of 1933, the prospectus filed as part of this Registration Statement also constitutes a prospectus for Registration Statement No. 333-44122; the $1,000,000,000 of securities remaining unsold from Registration Statement No. 333-44122 will be combined with the $1,000,000 aggregate amount of securities to be registered pursuant to this Registration Statement to enable The St. Paul Companies, Inc. to offer an aggregate amount of $1,001,000,000 of securities pursuant to the combined prospectus.

The registrant hereby amends this Registration Statement on such date or dates as may be necessary to delay its effective date until the registrant shall file a further amendment which specifically states that this Registration Statement shall thereafter become effective in accordance with Section 8(a) of the Securities Act of 1933 or until this Registration Statement shall become effective on such date as the Securities and Exchange Commission, acting pursuant to said Section 8(a), may determine.


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The information in this prospectus is not complete and may be changed. We may not sell these securities until the registration statement filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission is effective. This prospectus is not an offer to sell these securities and it is not soliciting an offer to buy these securities in any state where the offer or sale is not permitted.

SUBJECT TO COMPLETION, DATED NOVEMBER 21, 2001

$1,001,000,000

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

(LOGO)

Senior Debt Securities

Subordinated Debt Securities

Preferred Stock

Depositary Shares

Common Stock

Warrants

Stock Purchase Contracts

and

Units

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II

Preferred Securities
guaranteed to the extent set forth herein
by The St. Paul Companies, Inc.

         We will provide you with more specific terms of these securities in supplements to this prospectus. You should read this prospectus and the applicable prospectus supplement carefully before you invest.

         We may offer these securities from time to time in amounts, at prices and on other terms to be determined at the time of offering. The total offering price of the securities offered to the public will be limited to $1,001,000,000.

         The St. Paul Companies, Inc.’s common shares are listed on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol “SPC”.

          Neither the Securities and Exchange Commission nor any other regulatory body has approved or disapproved of these securities or passed upon the accuracy or adequacy of this prospectus. Any representation to the contrary is a criminal offense.

Prospectus dated               , 2001.

 


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THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II
RATIOS OF EARNINGS TO FIXED CHARGES AND EARNINGS TO
COMBINED FIXED CHARGES AND PREFERRED STOCK DIVIDENDS
USE OF PROCEEDS
ABOUT THIS PROSPECTUS
A SPECIAL NOTE REGARDING FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
DESCRIPTION OF DEBT SECURITIES
WE MAY OFFER
DESCRIPTION OF PREFERRED STOCK WE MAY OFFER
DESCRIPTION OF DEPOSITARY SHARES WE MAY OFFER
DESCRIPTION OF OUR COMMON STOCK
DESCRIPTION OF WARRANTS WE MAY OFFER
DESCRIPTION OF STOCK PURCHASE CONTRACTS WE MAY OFFER
DESCRIPTION OF UNITS WE MAY OFFFER
DESCRIPTION OF PREFERRED SECURITIES THAT THE TRUST MAY OFFER
DESCRIPTION OF TRUST GUARANTEE
PLAN OF DISTRIBUTION
VALIDITY OF SECURITIES
EXPERTS
WHERE YOU CAN FIND MORE INFORMATION
Form of Underwriting Agreement senior/subordinated
Form of Underwriting Agreement for preferred stock
Form of Underwriting Agreement for common stock
Form of Underwriting Agreement convertible debt
Form of Underwriting Agreement for pref securities
Form of Indenture for senior debt securities
Form of Indenture for subordinated debt securities
Form of Deposit Agreement
Form of Warrant Agreement
Certificate of Trust of St. Paul Capital Trust II
Declaration of Trust of St. Paul Capital Trust II
Form of Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust
Form of Preferred Securities Guarantee Agreement
Form of Common Securities Guarantee Agreement
Opinion of Bruce A. Backberg, Esq.
Opinion of Richards, Layton & Finger, P.A.
Opinion of Sullivan & Cromwell
Computation of ratios of earnings to fixed charges
Consent of KPMG LLP
Powers of Attorney
Statement of Eligibility and Qualification
Statement of Eligibility and Qualification
Statement of Eligibility and Qualification
Statement of Eligibility and Qualification


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The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
    1  
St. Paul Capital Trust II
    1  
Ratios of Earnings to Fixed Charges and Earnings to Combined Fixed Charges and Preferred Stock Dividends
    2  
Use of Proceeds
    2  
About This Prospectus
    2  
A Special Note Regarding Forward-Looking Statements
    3  
Description of Debt Securities We May Offer
    4  
Description of Preferred Stock We May Offer
    17  
Description of Depositary Shares We May Offer
    20  
Description of Our Common Stock
    23  
Description of Warrants We May Offer
    25  
Description of Stock Purchase Contracts We May Offer
    27  
Description of Units We May Offer
    27  
Description of Preferred Securities that the Trust May Offer
    28  
Description of Trust Guarantee
    35  
Plan of Distribution
    38  
Validity of Securities
    39  
Experts
    39  
Where You Can Find More Information
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THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

         The St. Paul Companies, Inc. and its subsidiaries constitute one of the oldest insurance organizations in the United States, dating back to 1853. We are a management company principally engaged, through our subsidiaries, in providing commercial property-liability insurance and reinsurance products and services worldwide. We also have a presence in the asset management industry through our 78% majority ownership of The John Nuveen Company. As a management company, we oversee the operations of our subsidiaries and provide them with capital and management and administrative services. At September 30, 2001, our total assets were $37.7 billion, our total shareholders’ equity was $6.0 billion. In 2000, insurance and reinsurance underwriting accounted for approximately 95% of our consolidated revenues from continuing operations, and asset management operations accounted for approximately 5% of consolidated revenues from continuing operations.

         Our principal and registered executive offices are located at 385 Washington Street, St. Paul, Minnesota 55102, and our telephone number is (651) 310-7911. Unless the context otherwise indicates, the terms “The St. Paul”, “we”, “us” or “our” mean The St. Paul Companies, Inc. and its consolidated subsidiaries.

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II

         St. Paul Capital Trust II, or the “Trust”, is a statutory business trust created under Delaware law. The Trust exists for the exclusive purposes of:

    issuing the preferred securities, which represent preferred undivided beneficial ownership interests in the Trust’s assets;
 
    issuing the common securities, which represent common undivided beneficial ownership interests in the Trust’s assets, to us in a total liquidation amount equal to at least 3% of the Trust’s total capital;
 
    using the proceeds from the issuances to buy our subordinated debt securities;
 
    maintaining the Trust’s status as a grantor trust for federal income tax purposes; and
 
    engaging in only those other activities necessary, advisable or incidental to these purposes, such as registering the transfer of preferred securities.

         Any subordinated debt securities we sell to the Trust will be the sole assets of the Trust, and, accordingly, payments under the subordinated debt securities will be the sole revenues of the Trust. We will acquire and own all of the common securities of the Trust, which will have an aggregate liquidation amount equal to at least 3% of the total capital of the Trust. The common securities will rank on a parity with, and payments will be made on the common securities pro rata with, the preferred securities, except that upon an event of default under the amended and restated declaration of trust resulting from an event of default under the subordinated debt securities, our rights as holder of the common securities to distributions and payments upon liquidation or redemption will be subordinated to the rights of the holders of the preferred securities.

         The Trust has a term of 50 years, but may dissolve earlier as provided in its amended and restated declaration of trust. The Trust’s business and affairs are conducted by the trustees. The trustees for the Trust are JPMorgan Chase Bank, as institutional trustee, Chase Manhattan Bank USA, National Association, as the Delaware trustee, and two regular trustees or “administrative trustees” who are officers of The St. Paul Companies, Inc. JPMorgan Chase Bank, as institutional trustee, will act as sole indenture trustee under the amended and restated declaration of trust. JPMorgan Chase Bank will also act as guarantee trustee under the guarantee and as indenture trustee under the subordinated debt indenture.

         The duties and obligations of each trustee are governed by the amended and restated declaration of trust. As issuer of the subordinated debt securities to be purchased by the Trust and as sponsor of the Trust, we will pay all fees, expenses, debts and obligations (other than the payment of distributions and other payments on the preferred securities) related to the Trust and any offering of the Trust’s preferred securities and will pay, directly or indirectly, all ongoing costs, expenses and liabilities of the Trust. The principal executive office of the Trust is c/o The St. Paul Companies, Inc., 385 Washington Street, St. Paul, Minnesota 55102 and its telephone number is (651) 310-7911.

 


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RATIOS OF EARNINGS TO FIXED CHARGES AND EARNINGS TO
COMBINED FIXED CHARGES AND PREFERRED STOCK DIVIDENDS

The following table sets forth our ratio of consolidated earnings to fixed charges for the years and the periods indicated:

                                                 
    Nine Months Ended                                        
    September 30,                                  
    2001(1)   Year Ended December 31,
   
 
      2000   1999   1998   1997   1996
           
 
 
 
 
Ratio of earnings to fixed charges
          9.03       6.43       1.65       10.06       10.59  
Ratio of earnings to combined fixed charges and preferred stock dividends
          8.32       5.88       1.52       8.88       8.31  


(1)   The loss in the nine months ended September 30, 2001 was inadequate to cover fixed charges by $446 million and combined fixed charges and preferred stock dividends by $456 million.

         Earnings consist of income from continuing operations before income taxes plus fixed charges, net of capitalized interest. Fixed charges consist of interest expense before reduction for capitalized interest and one-third of rental expense, which is considered to be representative of an interest factor.

USE OF PROCEEDS

         Unless otherwise indicated in an accompanying prospectus supplement, we expect to use the net proceeds from the sale of the securities for general corporate purposes, which may include, among other things, working capital, contributions of capital to our insurance underwriting subsidiaries, capital expenditures, the repurchase of shares of common stock, the repayment of short-term borrowings or acquisitions. Unless otherwise indicated in an accompanying prospectus supplement, St. Paul Capital Trust II will use all proceeds received from the sale of its preferred securities to purchase our subordinated debt securities.

ABOUT THIS PROSPECTUS

         This prospectus is part of a registration statement that we filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission (the “SEC”) utilizing a shelf registration or continuous process. Under this shelf process, we may sell any combination of the securities described in this prospectus in one or more offerings up to a total dollar amount of $1,001,000,000.

         This prospectus provides you with a general description of the securities we may offer. Each time we sell securities, we will provide a prospectus supplement containing specific information about the terms of the securities being offered. A prospectus supplement may include a discussion of any risk factors or other special considerations applicable to those securities or to us. A prospectus supplement may also add, update or change information in this prospectus. If there is any inconsistency between the information in this prospectus and the applicable prospectus supplement, you should rely on the information in the prospectus supplement. You should read both this prospectus and any prospectus supplement together with additional information described under the heading “Where You Can Find More Information”.

         The registration statement containing this prospectus, including exhibits to the registration statement, provides additional information about us and the securities offered under this prospectus. The registration statement can be read at the SEC web site or at the SEC offices mentioned under the heading “Where You Can Find More Information”.

         When acquiring any securities discussed in this prospectus, you should rely only on the information provided in this prospectus and in the applicable prospectus supplement, including the information incorporated by reference. Neither we, nor any underwriters or agents, have authorized anyone to provide you with different information. We are not offering the securities in any state where the offer is prohibited. You should not assume that the information

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in this prospectus, any prospectus supplement, or any document incorporated by reference, is truthful or complete at any date other than the date mentioned on the cover page of these documents.

         We may sell securities to underwriters who will sell the securities to the public on terms fixed at the time of sale. In addition, the securities may be sold by us directly or through dealers or agents designated from time to time. If we, directly or through agents, solicit offers to purchase the securities, we reserve the sole right to accept and, together with any agents, to reject, in whole or in part, any of those offers.

         Any prospectus supplement will contain the names of the underwriters, dealers or agents, if any, together with the terms of offering, the compensation of those underwriters and the net proceeds to us. Any underwriters, dealers or agents participating in the offering may be deemed “underwriters” within the meaning of the Securities Act of 1933 (the “Securities Act”).

         Unless otherwise stated, currency amounts in this prospectus and any prospectus supplement are stated in United States dollars (“$”).

A SPECIAL NOTE REGARDING FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS

         Some of the information presented or incorporated by reference in this prospectus contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements are not historical facts and include expressions about management’s confidence and strategies and management’s expectations about new and existing programs and products, relationships, opportunities, technology and market conditions. These statements may be identified by such forward-looking terminology as “expect”, “look”, “believe”, “anticipate”, “may”, “will”, or similar statements or variations of such terms. Examples of these forward-looking statements include statements concerning: market and other conditions and their effect on future premiums, revenues, earnings, cash flow and investment income; price increases; improved loss experience; and expense savings resulting from the restructuring actions announced in recent years.

         In light of the risks and uncertainties inherent in future projections, many of which are beyond our control, actual results could differ materially from those in forward-looking statements. These statements should not be regarded as a representation that anticipated events will occur or that expected objectives will be achieved. Risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, the following: the outcome of the current review of our businesses and the execution of strategic initiatives resulting from such review; the direction of the economy, especially as it has been affected by recent developments, including the terrorist attack on September 11, 2001 and the global war on terrorism; competitive considerations, including the ability to implement price increases and possible actions by competitors; general economic conditions including changes in interest rates and the performance of financial markets; changes in domestic and foreign laws, regulations and taxes; changes in the demand for, pricing of, or supply of insurance or reinsurance; catastrophic events of unanticipated frequency or severity; loss of significant customers; judicial decisions and rulings; and various other matters. We undertake no obligation to release publicly the results of any future revisions we may make to forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date hereof or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events.

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DESCRIPTION OF DEBT SECURITIES
WE MAY OFFER

         We may issue senior or subordinated debt securities. Neither the senior debt securities nor the subordinated debt securities will be secured by any of our property or assets. Thus, by owning a debt security, you are one of our unsecured creditors.

         The senior debt securities will constitute part of our senior debt, will be issued under a senior debt indenture described below and will rank equally with all of our other unsecured and unsubordinated debt.

         The subordinated debt securities will constitute part of our subordinated debt, will be issued under a subordinated debt indenture described below and will be subordinate in right of payment to all of our “senior indebtedness”, as defined in the subordinated debt indenture. The prospectus supplement for any series of subordinated debt securities will indicate the approximate amount of senior indebtedness outstanding as of the end of the most recent fiscal quarter. Neither indenture limits our ability to incur additional senior indebtedness.

         “Debt securities” in this prospectus refers to both the senior debt securities and the subordinated debt securities.

         The senior debt securities and the subordinated debt securities are each governed by a document called an indenture — the senior debt indenture, in the case of the senior debt securities, and the subordinated debt indenture, in the case of the subordinated debt securities. Each indenture is a contract between us and JPMorgan Chase Bank, which acts as trustee. The indentures are substantially identical, except for the covenant described below under “— Restrictive Covenants — Limitations on Liens and Other Encumbrances on Voting Stock of Designated Subsidiaries”, which is included only in the senior debt indenture, and the provisions relating to subordination, which are included only in the subordinated debt indenture.

         Reference to the indenture or the trustee with respect to any debt securities means the indenture under which those debt securities are issued and the trustee under that indenture.

         The trustee has two main roles:

    First , the trustee can enforce your rights against us if we default on our obligations under the terms of the applicable indenture or the debt securities. There are some limitations on the extent to which the trustee acts on your behalf, described later under “— Remedies if an Event of Default Occurs”; and
 
    Second , the trustee performs administrative duties for us, such as sending you interest payments, transferring your debt securities to a new buyer if you sell and sending you notices.

         The indentures and their associated documents contain the full legal text of the matters described in this section. The indentures and the debt securities are governed by the laws of the State of New York. A copy of the form of each indenture is an exhibit to our registration statement. See “Where You Can Find More Information” for information on how to obtain a copy.

         We may issue as many distinct series of debt securities under either indenture as we wish. This section summarizes the material terms of the debt securities that are common to all series, although the prospectus supplement which describes the terms of each series of debt securities may also describe differences with the material terms summarized here.

         Because this section is a summary, it does not describe every aspect of the debt securities. This summary is subject to and qualified in its entirety by reference to all the provisions of the indentures, including definitions of some of the terms used in the indentures. We describe the meaning for only the more important terms. Whenever we refer to the defined terms of the indentures in this prospectus or in the prospectus supplement, those defined terms are incorporated by reference here or in the prospectus supplement. You must look to the indentures for the most complete description of what we describe in summary form in this prospectus.

         This summary also is subject to and qualified by reference to the description of the particular terms of your series described in the prospectus supplement. Those terms may vary from the terms described in this prospectus. The prospectus supplement relating to each series of debt securities will be attached to the front of this prospectus.

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There may also be a further prospectus supplement, known as a pricing supplement, which contains the precise terms of debt securities you are offered.

         We may issue the debt securities as original issue discount securities, which are securities that are offered and sold at a substantial discount to their stated principal amount. The prospectus supplement relating to original issue discount securities will describe federal income tax consequences and other special considerations applicable to them. The debt securities may also be issued as indexed securities or securities denominated in foreign currencies or currency units, as described in more detail in the prospectus supplement relating to any of the particular debt securities. The prospectus supplement relating to specific debt securities will also describe any special considerations and any material additional tax considerations applicable to such debt securities.

         In addition, the specific financial, legal and other terms particular to a series of debt securities are described in the prospectus supplement and the pricing supplement relating to the series. The prospectus supplement relating to a series of debt securities will describe the following terms of the series:

    the title of the series of debt securities;
 
    whether it is a series of senior debt securities or a series of subordinated debt securities;
 
    any limit on the aggregate principal amount of the series of debt securities;
 
    the person to whom interest on a debt security is payable, if other than the holder on the regular record date;
 
    the date or dates on which the series of debt securities will mature;
 
    the rate or rates, which may be fixed or variable, per annum at which the series of debt securities will bear interest, if any, and the date or dates from which that interest, if any, will accrue;
 
    the place or places where the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on the debt securities is payable;
 
    the dates on which interest, if any, on the series of debt securities will be payable and the regular record dates for the interest payment dates;
 
    any mandatory or optional sinking funds or analogous provisions or provisions for redemption at our option or the option of the holder;
 
    the date, if any, after which and the price or prices at which the series of debt securities may, in accordance with any optional or mandatory redemption provisions, be redeemed and the other detailed terms and provisions of those optional or mandatory redemption provisions, if any;
 
    if the debt securities may be converted into or exercised or exchanged for our common stock or preferred stock or any other of our securities, the terms on which conversion, exercise or exchange may occur, including whether conversion, exercise or exchange is mandatory, at the option of the holder or at our option, the period during which conversion, exercise or exchange may occur, the initial conversion, exercise or exchange price or rate and the circumstances or manner in which the amount of common stock or preferred stock or other securities issuable upon conversion, exercise or exchange may be adjusted;
 
    if other than denominations of $1,000 and any integral multiple thereof, the denominations in which the series of debt securities will be issuable;
 
    if other than the principal amount thereof, the portion of the principal amount of the series of debt securities which will be payable upon the declaration of acceleration of the maturity of such series of debt securities;
 
    the currency of payment of principal, premium, if any, and interest on the series of debt securities;
 
    if the currency of payment for principal, premium, if any, and interest on the series of debt securities is subject to our or a holder’s election, the currency or currencies in which payment can be made and the period within which, and the terms and conditions upon which, the election can be made;

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    any index, formula or other method used to determine the amount of payment of principal or premium, if any, and interest on the series of debt securities;
 
    the applicability of the provisions described under “— Restrictive Covenants — Defeasance”;
 
    any event of default under the series of debt securities if different from those described under “— Default and Related Matters — What Is an Event of Default?”;
 
    if the series of debt securities will be issuable only in the form of a global security, as described under “Legal Ownership — Global Securities”, the depository or its nominee with respect to the series of debt securities and the circumstances under which the global security may be registered for transfer or exchange in the name of a person other than the depository or its nominee;
 
    any proposed listing of the series of debt securities on any securities exchange; and
 
    any other special feature of the series of debt securities.

         Those terms may vary from the terms described here. Accordingly, this summary also is subject to and qualified by reference to the description of the terms of the series described in the prospectus supplement. The prospectus supplement relating to each series of debt securities will be attached to the front of this prospectus.

Legal Ownership

Street Name and Other Indirect Holders

         Investors who hold debt securities in accounts at banks or brokers will generally not be recognized by us as legal holders of debt securities. This is called holding in “street name”. Instead, we would recognize only the bank or broker, or the financial institution the bank or broker uses to hold its debt securities. These intermediary banks, brokers and other financial institutions pass along principal, interest and other payments on the debt securities, either because they agree to do so in their customer agreements or because they are legally required to do so. If you hold debt securities in street name, you should check with your own institution to find out:

    how it handles securities payments and notices;
 
    whether it imposes fees or charges;
 
    how it would handle voting if ever required;
 
    whether and how you can instruct it to send you debt securities registered in your own name so you can be a direct holder as described below; and
 
    how it would pursue rights under the debt securities if there were a default or other event triggering the need for holders to act to protect their interests.

Direct Holders

         Our obligations, as well as the obligations of the trustee and those of any third parties employed by us or the trustee, run only to persons or entities who are the direct holders of debt securities ( i.e., those who are registered as holders of debt securities). As noted above, we do not have obligations to you if you hold in street name or through other indirect means, either because you choose to hold debt securities in that manner or because the debt securities are issued in the form of global securities as described below. For example, once we make payment to the registered holder, we have no further responsibility for the payment even if that registered holder is legally required to pass the payment along to you as a street name customer but does not do so.

Global Securities

          What Is a Global Security? A global security is a special type of indirectly held security, as described above under “— Street Name and Other Indirect Holders”.

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         If we choose to issue debt securities in the form of global securities, the ultimate beneficial owners can only be indirect holders. We do this by requiring that the global security be registered in the name of a financial institution we select and by requiring that the debt securities included in the global security not be transferred to the name of any other direct holder unless the special circumstances described below occur. The financial institution that acts as the sole direct holder of the global security is called the depositary.

         Any person wishing to own a debt security included in the global security must do so indirectly by virtue of an account with a broker, bank or other financial institution that in turn has an account with the depositary. The prospectus supplement indicates whether your series of debt securities will be issued only in the form of global securities.

          Special Investor Considerations for Global Securities. As an indirect holder, an investor’s rights relating to a global security will be governed by the account rules of the investor’s financial institution and of the depositary, as well as general laws relating to securities transfers. We do not recognize this type of investor as a registered holder of debt securities and instead deal only with the depositary that holds the global security.

         If you are an investor in debt securities that are issued only in the form of global securities, you should be aware that:

    you cannot get debt securities registered in your own name;
 
    you cannot receive physical certificates for your interest in the debt securities;
 
    you will be a street name holder and must look to your own bank or broker for payments on the debt securities and protection of your legal rights relating to the debt securities. See “— Street Name and Other Indirect Holders”;
 
    you may not be able to sell interests in the debt securities to some insurance companies and other institutions that are required by law to own their securities in the form of physical certificates;
 
    the depositary’s policies will govern payments, transfers, exchange and other matters relating to your interest in the global security. We and the trustee have no responsibility for any aspect of the depositary’s actions or for its records of ownership interests in the global security. We and the trustee also do not supervise the depositary in any way; and
 
    the depositary will require that interests in a global security be purchased or sold within its system using same-day funds for settlement.

          Special Situations When Global Security Will Be Terminated. In a few special situations described later, the global security will terminate and interests in it will be exchanged for physical certificates representing debt securities. After that exchange, the choice of whether to hold debt securities directly or in street name will be up to you. You must consult your own bank or broker to find out how to have your interests in debt securities transferred to your own name, so that you will be a direct holder. The rights of street name investors and direct holders in the debt securities have been previously described in the subsections entitled, “— Street Name and Other Indirect Holders” and “— Direct Holders”.

         The special situations for termination of a global security are:

    when the depositary notifies us that it is unwilling, unable or no longer qualified to continue as depositary;
 
    when we notify the trustee that we wish to terminate the global security; or
 
    when an event of default on the debt securities has occurred and has not been cured.

         Defaults are discussed later under “— Default and Related Matters”.

         The prospectus supplement may also list additional situations for terminating a global security that would apply only to the particular series of debt securities covered by the prospectus supplement. When a global security terminates, the depositary (and not we or the trustee) is responsible for deciding the names of the institutions that will be the initial direct holders.

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          In the remainder of this description “you” means direct holders and not street name or other indirect holders of debt securities. Indirect holders should read the previous subsection entitled “ Street Name and Other Indirect Holders”.

Overview of the Remainder of this Description

         The remainder of this description summarizes:

    Additional Mechanics relevant to the debt securities under normal circumstances, such as how you transfer ownership and where we make payments;
 
    your rights under several Special Situations, such as if we merge with another company or if we want to change a term of the debt securities;
 
    Subordination Provisions in the subordinated debt indenture that may prohibit us from making payments on those securities;
 
    a Restrictive Covenant contained in the senior debt indenture that restricts our ability to incur liens and other encumbrances on the voting stock of some of our subsidiaries. A particular series of debt securities may have additional restrictive covenants;
 
    situations in which we may invoke the provisions relating to Defeasance ;
 
    your rights if we Default or experience other financial difficulties; and
 
    our Relationship With the Trustee .

Additional Mechanics

Form, Exchange and Transfer

The debt securities will be issued:

    only in fully registered form;
 
    without interest coupons; and
 
    unless otherwise indicated in the prospectus supplement, in denominations that are even multiples of $1,000.

         You may have your debt securities broken into more debt securities of smaller denominations or combined into fewer debt securities of larger denominations, as long as the total principal amount is not changed. This is called an exchange.

         You may exchange or transfer debt securities at the office of the trustee. The trustee acts as our agent for registering debt securities in the names of holders and transferring debt securities. We may change this appointment to another entity or perform the service ourselves. The entity performing the role of maintaining the list of registered direct holders is called the security registrar. It will also register transfers of the debt securities.

         You will not be required to pay a service charge to transfer or exchange debt securities, but you may be required to pay for any tax or other governmental charge associated with the exchange or transfer. The transfer or exchange will only be made if the security registrar is satisfied with your proof of ownership.

         If we designate additional transfer agents, they will be named in the prospectus supplement. We may cancel the designation of any particular transfer agent. We may also approve a change in the office through which any transfer agent acts.

         If the debt securities are redeemable and we redeem less than all of the debt securities of a particular series, we may block the transfer or exchange of debt securities during the period beginning 15 days before the day we mail the notice of redemption and ending on the day of that mailing, in order to freeze the list of holders to prepare the

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mailing. We may also refuse to register transfers or exchanges of debt securities selected for redemption, except that we will continue to permit transfers and exchanges of the unredeemed portion of any debt security being partially redeemed.

Payment and Paying Agents

         We will pay interest to you if you are a direct holder listed in the trustee’s records at the close of business on a particular day in advance of each due date for interest, even if you no longer own the debt security on the interest due date. That particular day, usually about two weeks in advance of the interest due date, is called the regular record date and is stated in the prospectus supplement. Holders buying and selling debt securities must work out between them how to compensate for the fact that we will pay all the interest for an interest period to the one who is the registered holder on the regular record date. The most common manner is to adjust the sales price of the debt securities to pro rate interest fairly between buyer and seller. This pro rated interest amount is called accrued interest.

         We will pay interest, principal and any other money due on the debt securities at the corporate trust office of the trustee in New York City. That office is currently located at 450 West 33rd Street, 15th Floor, New York, New York 10001. You must make arrangements to have your payments picked up at or wired from that office. We may also choose to pay interest by mailing checks.

         Street name and other indirect holders should consult their banks or brokers for information on how they will receive payments.

         We may also arrange for additional payment offices, and may cancel or change these offices, including our use of the trustee’s corporate trust office. These offices are called paying agents. We may also choose to act as our own paying agent. We must notify you of changes in the paying agents for any particular series of debt securities.

Notices

         We and the trustee will send notices regarding the debt securities only to direct holders, using their addresses as listed in the trustee’s records.

         Regardless of who acts as paying agent, all money paid by us to a paying agent that remains unclaimed at the end of one year after the amount is due to direct holders will be repaid to us. After that one-year period, you may look only to us for payment and not to the trustee, any other paying agent or anyone else.

Special Situations

Mergers and Similar Events

         We are generally permitted to consolidate or merge with another company or firm. We are also permitted to sell or lease substantially all of our assets to another firm, or to buy or lease substantially all of the assets of another firm. However, we may not take any of these actions unless the following conditions (among others) are met:

    Where we merge out of existence or sell or lease substantially all our assets, the other firm may not be organized under a foreign country’s laws; that is, it must be a corporation, partnership or trust organized under the laws of a State of the United States or the District of Columbia or under federal law, and it must agree to be legally responsible for the debt securities.
 
    The merger, sale of assets or other transaction must not cause a default on the debt securities, and we must not already be in default, unless the merger or other transaction would cure the default. For purposes of this no-default test, a default would include an event of default that has occurred and not been cured. A default for this purpose would also include any event that would be an event of default if the requirements for giving us notice of our default or our default having to exist for a specific period of time were disregarded.
 
    It is possible that the merger, sale of assets or other transaction would cause some of our property to become subject to a mortgage or other legal mechanism giving lenders preferential rights in that property over other lenders, including the direct holders of the senior debt securities, or over our general creditors if we fail to pay them back. We have promised in our senior debt indenture to limit these preferential rights on voting stock of any designated subsidiaries, called liens, as discussed under “— Restrictive Covenants

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    — Limitation on Liens and Other Encumbrances on Voting Stock of Designated Subsidiaries”. If a merger or other transaction would create any liens on the voting stock of our designated subsidiaries, we must comply with that restrictive covenant. We would do this either by deciding that the liens were permitted, or by following the requirements of the restrictive covenant to grant an equivalent or higher-ranking lien on the same voting stock to the direct holders of the senior debt securities.

Modification and Waiver

         There are four types of changes we can make to either indenture and the debt securities issued under that indenture.

Changes Requiring Your Approval. First, there are changes that cannot be made to your debt securities without your specific approval. Following is a list of those types of changes:

    change the payment due date of the principal or interest on a debt security;
 
    reduce any amounts due on a debt security;
 
    reduce the amount of principal payable upon acceleration of the maturity of a debt security (including the amount payable on an original issue discount security) following a default;
 
    change the place or currency of payment on a debt security;
 
    impair your right to sue for payment of any amount due on your debt security;
 
    impair any right that you may have to exchange or convert the debt security for or into securities or other property;
 
    reduce the percentage of direct holders of debt securities whose consent is needed to modify or amend the applicable indenture;
 
    reduce the percentage of direct holders of debt securities whose consent is needed to waive our compliance with certain provisions of the applicable indenture or to waive certain defaults; and
 
    modify any other aspect of the provisions dealing with modification and waiver of the applicable indenture.

Changes Requiring a Majority Vote. The second type of change to a particular indenture and the debt securities is the kind that requires a vote in favor by direct holders of debt securities owning a majority of the principal amount of all series affected thereby, voting together as a single class. Most changes, including waivers, as described below, fall into this category, except for changes noted above as requiring the approval of the holders of each security affected thereby, and, as noted below, changes not requiring approval.

         Each indenture provides that a supplemental indenture which changes or eliminates any covenant or other provision of the applicable indenture which has expressly been included solely for the benefit of one or more particular series of securities, or which modifies the rights of the holders of securities of such series with respect to such covenant or other provision, shall be deemed not to affect the rights under the applicable indenture of the holders of securities of any other series.

Changes Not Requiring Approval. The third type of change does not require any vote by holders of debt securities. This type is limited to clarifications and certain other changes that would not adversely affect holders of the debt securities.

Changes by Waiver Requiring a Majority Vote. Fourth, we need a vote by direct holders of senior debt securities owning a majority of the principal amount of the particular series affected to obtain a waiver of certain of the restrictive covenants, including the one described later under “— Restrictive Covenants — Limitation on Liens and Other Encumbrances on Voting Stock of Designated Subsidiaries”. We also need such a majority vote to obtain a waiver of any past default, except a payment default listed in the first category described later under “— Default and Related Matters — Events of Default”.

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any one or more series in any material respect, without the consent of the direct holders of a majority in aggregate principal amount of all affected series, voting together as one class.

Further Details Concerning Voting. When taking a vote, we will use the following rules to decide how much principal amount to attribute to a debt security:

    for original issue discount securities, we will use the principal amount that would be due and payable on the voting date if the maturity of the debt securities were accelerated to that date because of a default;
 
    for debt securities whose principal amount is not known (for example, because it is based on an index) we will use a special rule for that debt security described in the prospectus supplement; or
 
    for debt securities denominated in one or more foreign currencies or currency units, we will use the U.S. dollar equivalent.

         Debt securities will not be considered outstanding, and therefore will not be eligible to vote, if we have deposited or set aside in trust for you money for their payment or redemption. Debt securities will also not be eligible to vote if they have been fully defeased as described under “Defeasance — Full Defeasance”.

         We will generally be entitled to set any day as a record date for the purpose of determining the direct holders of outstanding debt securities that are entitled to vote or take other action under the applicable indenture. In some circumstances, the trustee will be entitled to set a record date for action by direct holders. If we or the trustee set a record date for a vote or other action to be taken by holders of a particular series, that vote or action may be taken only by persons who are direct holders of outstanding securities of that series on the record date and must be taken within 90 days following the record date.

          Street name and other indirect holders should consult their banks or brokers for information on how approval may be granted or denied if we seek to change an indenture or the debt securities or request a waiver.

Subordination Provisions

         Direct holders of subordinated debt securities should recognize that contractual provisions in the subordinated debt indenture may prohibit us from making payments on those securities. Subordinated debt securities are subordinate and junior in right of payment, to the extent and in the manner stated in the subordinated debt indenture, to all of our senior indebtedness, as defined in the subordinated debt indenture, including all debt securities we have issued and will issue under the senior debt indenture.

         Under the subordinated debt indenture, “senior indebtedness” includes all of our obligations to pay principal, premium, interest, penalties, fees and other charges:

    for borrowed money;
 
    in the form of or evidenced by other instruments, including obligations incurred in connection with our purchase of property, assets or businesses;
 
    under capital leases;
 
    under letters of credit, bankers’ acceptances or similar facilities;
 
    issued or assumed in the form of a deferred purchase price of property or services, such as master leases;
 
    under swaps and other hedging arrangements;
 
    pursuant to our guarantee of another entity’s obligations and all dividend obligations guaranteed by us; and
 
    to satisfy the expenses and fees of the subordinated debt indenture trustee under the subordinated debt indenture.

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         The following types of our indebtedness will not rank senior to the subordinated debt securities:

    indebtedness we owe to a subsidiary of ours (other than the John Nuveen Company and its consolidated subsidiaries);
 
    indebtedness which, by its terms, expressly provides that it does not rank senior to the subordinated debt securities;
 
    indebtedness incurred in the form of trade accounts payable or accrued liabilities arising in the ordinary course of business;
 
    indebtedness we owe to any trust, other than the Trust and St. Paul Capital Trust I (a statutory business trust created under Delaware law by us), or a trustee of such trust, partnership or other entity affiliated with us, that is our financing vehicle, and which has issued equity securities or other securities that are similar to the preferred securities; and
 
    indebtedness we may incur in violation of the subordinated debt indenture.

         The subordinated debt indenture provides that, unless all principal of and any premium or interest on the senior indebtedness has been paid in full, no payment or other distribution may be made in respect of any subordinated debt securities in the following circumstances:

    in the event of any insolvency or bankruptcy proceedings, or any receivership, liquidation, reorganization, assignment for creditors or other similar proceedings or events involving us or our assets; or
 
    (a) in the event and during the continuation of any default in the payment of principal, premium, if any, or interest on any senior indebtedness beyond any applicable grace period or (b) in the event that any event of default with respect to any senior indebtedness has occurred and is continuing, permitting the direct holders of that senior indebtedness (or a trustee) to accelerate the maturity of that senior indebtedness, whether or not the maturity is in fact accelerated (unless, in the case of (a) or (b), the payment default or event of default has been cured or waived or ceased to exist and any related acceleration has been rescinded) or (c) in the event that any judicial proceeding is pending with respect to a payment default or event of default described in (a) or (b).

         If the trustee under the subordinated debt indenture or any direct holders of the subordinated debt securities receive any payment or distribution that is prohibited under the subordination provisions, then the trustee or the direct holders will have to repay that money to the direct holders of the senior indebtedness.

         Even if the subordination provisions prevent us from making any payment when due on the subordinated debt securities of any series, we will be in default on our obligations under that series if we do not make the payment when due. This means that the trustee under the subordinated debt indenture and the direct holders of that series can take action against us, but they will not receive any money until the claims of the direct holders of senior indebtedness have been fully satisfied.

Restrictive Covenants

General

         We have made certain promises in each indenture called “covenants” where, among other things, we promise to maintain our corporate existence and all licenses and material permits necessary for our business. In addition, in the senior debt indenture we have made the promise described in the next paragraph. The subordinated debt indenture does not include the promise described in the next paragraph.

Limitation on Liens and Other Encumbrances on Voting Stock of Designated Subsidiaries

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general creditors if we fail to pay them back. These preferential rights are called liens. In the senior debt indenture, we promise not to create, issue, assume, incur or guarantee any indebtedness for borrowed money that is secured by a mortgage, pledge, lien, security interest or other encumbrance on any voting stock of a designated subsidiary, unless we also secure all the senior debt securities that are deemed outstanding under the senior debt indenture equally with, or prior to, the indebtedness being secured, together with, at our election, any of our or any designated subsidiary’s other indebtedness. This promise does not restrict our ability to sell or otherwise dispose of our interests in any designated subsidiary.

         As used here:

    voting stock means all classes of stock (including any interest in such stock) outstanding of a designated subsidiary that are normally entitled to vote in elections of directors;
 
    designated subsidiary means St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company and any of our other subsidiaries that has assets exceeding 20% of our consolidated assets. As of the date of this prospectus, St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company and United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company are the only subsidiaries satisfying this 20% test. For purposes of applying the 20% test, the assets of a subsidiary and our consolidated assets are both determined as of the last day of the most recent calendar quarter ended at least 30 days prior to the date of the 20% test and in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles as in effect on the last day of such calendar quarter; and
 
    subsidiary means a corporation, partnership or trust in which we and/or one or more of our other subsidiaries owns at least 50% of the voting stock, which is a kind of stock that ordinarily permits its owners to vote for election of directors.

Defeasance

         The following discussion of full defeasance and covenant defeasance will be applicable to your series of debt securities only if we choose to have them apply to that series. If we do so choose, we will state that in the prospectus supplement.

Full Defeasance. If there is a change in federal tax law, as described below, we can legally release ourselves from any payment or other obligations on the debt securities, called full defeasance, if we put in place the following arrangements for you to be repaid:

    we must deposit in trust for your benefit and the benefit of all other direct holders of the debt securities a combination of money and U.S. government or U.S. government agency notes or bonds that will generate enough cash to make interest, principal and any other payments on the debt securities on their various due dates;
 
    there must be a change in current federal tax law or a U.S. Internal Revenue Service ruling that lets us make the above deposit without causing you to be taxed on the debt securities any differently than if we did not make the deposit and just repaid the debt securities ourselves. (Under current federal tax law, the deposit and our legal release from the debt securities would be treated as though we took back your debt securities and gave you your share of the cash and notes or bonds deposited in trust. In that event, you could recognize gain or loss on the debt securities you give back to us.);
 
    we must deliver to the trustee a legal opinion of our counsel confirming the tax law change described above; and
 
    in the case of the subordinated debt securities, the following requirements must also be met:
 
    no event or condition may exist that, under the provisions described above under “— Subordination Provisions”, would prevent us from making payments of principal, premium or interest on those subordinated debt securities on the date of the deposit referred to above or during the 90 days after that date; and
 
    we must deliver to the trustee an opinion of counsel to the effect that (a) the trust funds will not be subject to any rights of direct holders of senior indebtedness and (b) after the 90-day period referred to above, the trust funds will not be subject to any applicable bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization or similar laws affecting creditors’ rights generally, except that if a court were to rule under any of those

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      laws in any case or proceeding that the trust funds remained our property, then the relevant trustee and the direct holders of the subordinated debt securities would be entitled to some enumerated rights as secured creditors in the trust funds.

         If we ever did accomplish full defeasance, as described above, you would have to rely solely on the trust deposit for repayment on the debt securities. In addition, in the case of subordinated debt securities, the provisions described above under “— Subordination Provisions” will not apply. You could not look to us for repayment in the unlikely event of any shortfall. Conversely, the trust deposit would most likely be protected from claims of our lenders and other creditors if we ever become bankrupt or insolvent.

Covenant Defeasance. Under current federal tax law, we can make the same type of deposit described above and be released from some of the restrictive covenants in the debt securities. This is called covenant defeasance. In that event, you would lose the protection of those restrictive covenants but would gain the protection of having money and securities set aside in trust to repay the debt securities. In order to achieve covenant defeasance, we must do the following:

    we must deposit in trust for your benefit and the benefit of all other direct holders of the debt securities a combination of money and U.S. government or U.S. government agency notes or bonds that will generate enough cash to make interest, principal and any other payments on the debt securities on their various due dates; and
 
    we must deliver to the trustee a legal opinion of our counsel confirming that under current federal income tax law we may make the above deposit without causing you to be taxed on the debt securities any differently than if we did not make the deposit and just repaid the debt securities ourselves.

         If we accomplish covenant defeasance, the following provisions, among others, of the indentures and the debt securities would no longer apply:

    our promises regarding conduct of our business previously described under “— Limitation on Liens and Other Encumbrances on Voting Stock of Designated Subsidiaries”, and any other covenants applicable to the series of debt securities and described in the prospectus supplement;
 
    the condition regarding the treatment of liens when we merge or engage in similar transactions, as described under “— Special Situations — Mergers and Similar Events”; and
 
    the events of default relating to breach of covenants, described under “— Default and Related Matters — Events of Default — What Is an Event of Default?”.

         In addition, in the case of subordinated debt securities, the provisions described above under “— Subordination Provisions” will not apply if we accomplish covenant defeasance.

         If we accomplish covenant defeasance, you could still look to us for repayment of the debt securities if there were a shortfall in the trust deposit. In fact, if one of the remaining events of default occurs, such as our bankruptcy, and the debt securities become immediately due and payable, there may be a shortfall in the trust deposit. Depending on the event causing the default, you may not be able to obtain payment of the shortfall.

Default and Related Matters

Ranking With Our Other Unsecured Creditors

         The debt securities are not secured by any of our property or assets. Accordingly, your ownership of debt securities means that you are one of our unsecured creditors. The senior debt securities are not subordinated to any of our debt obligations and therefore they rank equally with all of our other unsecured and unsubordinated indebtedness. The subordinated debt securities are subordinate and junior in right of payment to all of our senior indebtedness, as defined in the subordinated debt indenture.

Events of Default

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What Is an Event of Default? The term “event of default” means any of the following:

    we do not pay the principal or any premium on a debt security on its due date;
 
    we do not pay interest on a debt security within 30 days of its due date;
 
    we do not deposit money into a separate custodial account, known as sinking fund, when such deposit is due, if we agree to maintain any such sinking fund;
 
    we remain in breach of the restrictive covenant described previously under “— Restrictive Covenants—Limitation on Liens and Other Encumbrances on Voting Stock of Designated Subsidiaries” or any other term of the applicable indenture for 90 days after we receive a notice of default stating we are in breach. The notice must be sent by either the trustee or direct holders of at least 25% of the principal amount of debt securities of the affected series;
 
    we file for bankruptcy or certain other events of bankruptcy, insolvency or reorganization occur; or
 
    any other event of default described in the prospectus supplement occurs.

Remedies If an Event of Default Occurs. If you are the holder of a subordinated debt security, all remedies available upon the occurrence of an event of default under the subordinated debt indenture will be subject to the restrictions on the subordinated debt securities described above under “— Subordination Provisions”. If an event of default has occurred and has not been cured, the trustee or the direct holders of 25% in principal amount of the debt securities of the affected series may declare the entire principal amount (or, in the case of original issue discount securities, the portion of the principal amount that is specified in the terms of the affected debt security) of all the debt securities of that series to be due and immediately payable. This is called a declaration of acceleration of maturity. However, a declaration of acceleration of maturity may be canceled by the direct holders of at least a majority in principal amount of the debt securities of the affected series.

         Reference is made to the prospectus supplement relating to any series of debt securities which are original issue discount securities for the particular provisions relating to acceleration of the maturity of a portion of the principal amount of original issue discount securities upon the occurrence of an event of default and its continuation.

         Except in cases of default, where the trustee has some special duties, the trustee is not required to take any action under the indentures at the request of any holders unless the direct holders offer the trustee reasonable protection from expenses and liability, called an indemnity. If reasonable indemnity is provided, the direct holders of a majority in principal amount of the outstanding debt securities of the relevant series may direct the time, method and place of conducting any lawsuit or other formal legal action seeking any remedy available to the trustee. These majority direct holders may also direct the trustee in performing any other action under the applicable indenture with respect to the debt securities of that series.

         Before you bypass the trustee and bring your own lawsuit or other formal legal action or take other steps to enforce your rights or protect your interests relating to the debt securities, the following must occur:

    you must give the trustee written notice that an event of default has occurred and remains uncured;
 
    the direct holders of 25% in principal amount of all outstanding debt securities of the relevant series must make a written request that the trustee take action because of the default, and must offer reasonable indemnity to the trustee against the cost and other liabilities of taking that action;
 
    the trustee must have not received from direct holders of a majority in principal amount of the outstanding debt securities of that series a direction inconsistent with the written notice; and
 
    the trustee must have not taken action for 90 days after receipt of the above notice and offer of indemnity.

         However, you are entitled at any time to bring a lawsuit for the payment of money due on your debt security on or after its due date.

          Street name and other indirect holders should consult their banks or brokers for information on how to give notice or direction to or make a request of the trustee and to make or cancel a declaration of acceleration.

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         We will furnish to the trustee every year a written statement of certain of our officers certifying that to their knowledge we are in compliance with the applicable indenture and the debt securities issued under it, or else specifying any default.

Our Relationship With the Trustee

         JPMorgan Chase Bank, the trustee under the indentures and the institutional trustee and Delaware trustee to each of the Trust and St. Paul Capital Trust I (a statutory business trust created under Delaware law by us), together with its affiliates, has a $73 million participation under a revolving credit agreement among us and certain banks named in it providing for aggregate borrowing by us of a maximum of $400 million, none of which was outstanding at September 30, 2001. In addition, JPMorgan Chase Bank has a $50 million participation under a revolving credit agreement among The John Nuveen Company, one of our subsidiaries, and certain banks named in it providing for aggregate borrowing by The John Nuveen Company of a maximum of $250 million, $173 million of which was outstanding at September 30, 2001. JPMorgan Chase Bank is also the trustee under other indentures pursuant to which we or our subsidiaries have issued debt securities.

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DESCRIPTION OF PREFERRED STOCK WE MAY OFFER

         We may issue preferred stock in one or more series, as described below. The following briefly summarizes the provisions of our restated articles of incorporation that would be important to holders of our preferred stock. The following description may not be complete and is subject to, and qualified in its entirety by reference to, the terms and provisions of our restated articles of incorporation which is an exhibit to the registration statement which contains this prospectus.

         The description of most of the financial and other specific terms of your series will be in the prospectus supplement accompanying this prospectus. Those terms may vary from the terms described here.

         As you read this section, please remember that the specific terms of your series of preferred stock as described in your prospectus supplement will supplement and, if applicable, may modify or replace the general terms described in this section. If there are differences between your prospectus supplement and this prospectus, your prospectus supplement will control. Thus, the statements we make in this section may not apply to your series of preferred stock.

         Reference to a series of preferred stock means all of the shares of preferred stock issued as part of the same series under a certificate of designations filed as part of our restated articles of incorporation. Reference to your prospectus supplement means the prospectus supplement describing the specific terms of the preferred stock you purchase. The terms used in your prospectus supplement will have the meanings described in this prospectus, unless otherwise specified.

Our Authorized Preferred Stock

         Under our restated articles of incorporation our board of directors is authorized, without further action by our shareholders, to establish from the 5,000,000 undesignated shares authorized by our restated articles of incorporation one or more classes and series, to designate each such class and series, to fix the relative rights and preferences of each such class and series and to issue such shares. Such rights and preferences may be superior to common stock as to dividends, distributions of assets (upon liquidation or otherwise) and voting rights. Undesignated shares may be convertible into shares of any other series or class of stock, including common stock, if our board of directors so determines. Our board of directors will fix the terms of the series of preferred stock it designates by resolution adopted before we issue any shares of the series of preferred stock.

         The prospectus supplement relating to the particular series of preferred stock will contain a description of the specific terms of that series as fixed by our board of directors, including, as applicable:

    the offering price at which we will issue the preferred stock;
 
    the title, designation of number of shares and stated value of the preferred stock;
 
    the dividend rate or method of calculation, the payment dates for dividends and the place or places where the dividends will be paid, whether dividends will be cumulative or noncumulative, and, if cumulative, the dates from which dividends will begin to cumulate;
 
    any conversion or exchange rights;
 
    whether the preferred stock will be subject to redemption and the redemption price and other terms and conditions relative to the redemption rights;
 
    any liquidation rights;
 
    any sinking fund provisions;
 
    any voting rights; and
 
    any other rights, preferences, privileges, limitations and restrictions that are not inconsistent with the terms of our restated articles of incorporation.

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to surrender additional funds. Holders of preferred stock will not have any preemptive or subscription rights to acquire more of our stock. Unless otherwise specified in the prospectus supplement relating to a particular series of preferred stock, each series of preferred stock will rank on a parity in all respects with each other series of preferred stock and prior to our common stock as to dividends and any distribution of our assets.

         The rights of holders of the preferred stock offered may be adversely affected by the rights of holders of any shares of preferred stock that may be issued in the future. Our board of directors may cause shares of preferred stock to be issued in public or private transactions for any proper corporate purposes and may include issuances to obtain additional financing in connection with acquisitions, and issuances to officers, directors and employees pursuant to benefit plans. Our board of directors’ ability to issue shares of preferred stock may discourage attempts by others to acquire control of us without negotiation with our board of directors, as it may make it difficult for a person to acquire us without negotiating with our board of directors.

Redemption

         If so specified in the applicable prospectus supplement, a series of preferred stock may be redeemable at any time, in whole or in part, at our option or the holder’s, and may be mandatorily redeemed.

         Any restriction on the repurchase or redemption by us of our preferred stock while we are in arrears in the payment of dividends will be described in the applicable prospectus supplement.

         Any partial redemptions of preferred stock will be made in a way that our board of directors decides is equitable.

         Unless we default in the payment of the redemption price, dividends will cease to accrue after the redemption date on shares of preferred stock called for redemption and all rights of holders of these shares will terminate except for the right to receive the redemption price.

Dividends

         Holders of each series of preferred stock will be entitled to receive dividends when, as and if declared by our board of directors from funds legally available for payment of dividends. The rates and dates of payment of dividends will be set forth in the applicable prospectus supplement relating to each series of preferred stock. Dividends will be payable to holders of record of preferred stock as they appear on our books on the record dates fixed by the board of directors. Dividends on any series of preferred stock may be cumulative or noncumulative, as set forth in the applicable prospectus supplement.

         We may not declare, pay or set apart funds for payment of dividends on a particular series of preferred stock unless full dividends on any other series of preferred stock that ranks equally with or senior to the series of preferred stock have been paid or sufficient funds have been set apart for payment for either of the following:

    all prior dividend periods of the other series of preferred stock that pay dividends on a cumulative basis; or
 
    the immediately preceding dividend period of the other series of preferred stock that pay dividends on a noncumulative basis.

         Partial dividends declared on shares of any series of preferred stock and other series of preferred stock ranking on an equal basis as to dividends will be declared pro rata . A pro rata declaration means that the ratio of dividends declared per share to accrued dividends per share will be the same for each series of preferred stock.

Conversion or Exchange Rights

         The prospectus supplement relating to any series of preferred stock that is convertible, exercisable or exchangeable will state the terms on which shares of that series are convertible into or exercisable or exchangeable for shares of common stock, another series of our preferred stock or our other securities or debt or equity securities of third parties.

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Liquidation Preference

         In the event of our voluntary or involuntary liquidation, dissolution or winding-up, holders of each series of our preferred stock will have the right to receive distributions upon liquidation in the amount described in the applicable prospectus supplement relating to each series of preferred stock, plus an amount equal to any accrued and unpaid dividends. These distributions will be made before any distribution is made on the common stock or on any securities ranking junior to the preferred stock upon liquidation, dissolution or winding-up.

         If the liquidation amounts payable relating to the preferred stock of any series and any other securities ranking on a parity regarding liquidation rights are not paid in full, the holders of the preferred stock of that series and the other securities will have the right to a ratable portion of our available assets, up to the full liquidation preference of each security. Holders of these series of preferred stock or other securities will not be entitled to any other amounts from us after they have received their full liquidation preference.

Voting Rights

         The holders of shares of preferred stock will have no voting rights, except:

    as otherwise stated in the applicable prospectus supplement;
 
    as otherwise stated in the certificate of designations establishing the series; or
 
    as required by applicable law.

Transfer Agent and Registrar

         The transfer agent, registrar and dividend disbursement agent for the preferred stock will be stated in the applicable prospectus supplement. The registrar for shares of preferred stock will send notices to shareholders of any meetings at which holders of the preferred stock have the right to elect directors or to vote on any other matter.

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DESCRIPTION OF DEPOSITARY SHARES WE MAY OFFER

         The following briefly summarizes the provisions of the depositary shares and depositary receipts that we may issue from time to time and which would be important to holders of depositary receipts, other than pricing and related terms which will be disclosed in the applicable prospectus supplement. The prospectus supplement will also state whether any of the generalized provisions summarized below do not apply to the depositary shares or depositary receipts being offered and provide any additional provisions applicable to the depositary shares or depositary receipts being offered. The following description and any description in a prospectus supplement may not be complete and is subject to, and qualified in its entirety by reference to the terms and provisions of the form of deposit agreement filed as an exhibit to the registration statement which contains this prospectus.

Description of Depositary Shares

         We may offer depositary shares evidenced by depositary receipts. Each depositary share represents a fraction or a multiple of a share of the particular series of preferred stock issued and deposited with a depositary. The fraction or the multiple of a share of preferred stock which each depositary share represents will be set forth in the applicable prospectus supplement.

         We will deposit the shares of any series of preferred stock represented by depositary shares according to the provisions of a deposit agreement to be entered into between us and a bank or trust company which we will select as our preferred stock depositary. We will name the depositary in the applicable prospectus supplement. Each holder of a depositary share will be entitled to all the rights and preferences of the underlying preferred stock in proportion to the applicable fraction or multiple of a share of preferred stock represented by the depositary share. These rights include dividend, voting, redemption, conversion and liquidation rights. The depositary will send the holders of depositary shares all reports and communications that we deliver to the depositary and which we are required to furnish to the holders of depositary shares.

Depositary Receipts

         The depositary shares will be evidenced by depositary receipts issued pursuant to the deposit agreement. Depositary receipts will be distributed to anyone who is buying the fractional shares of preferred stock in accordance with the terms of the applicable prospectus supplement.

Withdrawal of Preferred Stock

         Unless the related depositary shares have previously been called for redemption, a holder of depositary shares may receive the number of whole shares of the related series of preferred stock and any money or other property represented by the holder’s depositary receipts after surrendering the depositary receipts at the corporate trust office of the depositary, paying any taxes, charges and fees provided for in the deposit agreement and complying with any other requirement of the deposit agreement. Partial shares of preferred stock will not be issued. If the surrendered depositary shares exceed the number of depositary shares that represent the number of whole shares of preferred stock the holder wishes to withdraw, then the depositary will deliver to the holder at the same time a new depositary receipt evidencing the excess number of depositary shares. Once the holder has withdrawn the preferred stock, the holder will not be entitled to re-deposit that preferred stock under the deposit agreement or to receive depositary shares in exchange for such preferred stock. We do not expect that there will be any public trading market for withdrawn shares of preferred stock.

Dividends and Other Distributions

         The depositary will distribute to record holders of depositary shares any cash dividends or other cash distributions it receives on preferred stock, after deducting its fees and expenses. Each holder will receive these distributions in proportion to the number of depositary shares owned by the holder. The depositary will distribute only whole U.S. dollars and cents. The depositary will add any fractional cents not distributed to the next sum received for distribution to record holders of depositary shares.

         In the event of a non-cash distribution, the depositary will distribute property to the record holders of depositary shares, unless the depositary determines that it is not feasible to make such a distribution. If this occurs, the depositary may, with our approval, sell the property and distribute the net proceeds from the sale to the holders.

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         The amounts distributed to holders of depositary shares will be reduced by any amounts required to be withheld by the preferred stock depositary or by us on account of taxes or other governmental charges.

Redemption of Depositary Shares

         If the series of preferred stock represented by depositary shares is subject to redemption, then we will give the necessary proceeds to the depositary. The depositary will then redeem the depositary shares using the funds they received from us for the preferred stock. The redemption price per depositary share will be equal to the redemption price payable per share for the applicable series of the preferred stock and any other amounts per share payable with respect to the preferred stock multiplied by the fraction of a share of preferred stock represented by one depositary share. Whenever we redeem shares of preferred stock held by the depositary, the depositary will redeem the depositary shares representing the shares of preferred stock on the same day provided we have paid in full to the depositary the redemption price of the preferred stock to be redeemed and any accrued and unpaid dividends. If fewer than all the depositary shares of a series are to be redeemed, the depositary shares will be selected by lot or ratably or by any other equitable methods as the depositary will decide.

         After the date fixed for redemption, the depositary shares called for redemption will no longer be considered outstanding. Therefore, all rights of holders of the depositary shares will cease, except that the holders will still be entitled to receive any cash payable upon the redemption and any money or other property to which the holder was entitled at the time of redemption. To receive this amount or other property, the holders must surrender the depositary receipts evidencing their depositary shares to the preferred stock depositary. Any funds that we deposit with the preferred stock depositary for any depositary shares that the holders fail to redeem will be returned to us after a period of one year from the date we deposit the funds.

Voting the Preferred Stock

         Upon receipt of notice of any meeting at which the holders of preferred stock are entitled to vote, the depositary will notify holders of depositary shares of the upcoming vote and arrange to deliver our voting materials to the holders. The record date for determining holders of depositary shares that are entitled to vote will be the same as the record date for the preferred stock. The materials the holders will receive will (1) describe the matters to be voted on and (2) explain how the holders, on a certain date, may instruct the depositary to vote the shares of preferred stock underlying the depositary shares. For instructions to be valid, the depositary must receive them on or before the date specified. To the extent possible, the depositary will vote the shares as instructed by the holder. We agree to take all reasonable actions that the depositary determines are necessary to enable it to vote as a holder has instructed. If the depositary does not receive specific instructions from the holders of any depositary shares, it will vote all shares of that series held by it proportionately with instructions received.

Conversion or Exchange

         The depositary, with our approval or at our instruction, will convert or exchange all depositary shares if the preferred stock underlying the depositary shares is converted or exchanged. In order for the depositary to do so, we will need to deposit the other preferred stock, common stock or other securities into which the preferred stock is to be converted or for which it will be exchanged.

         The exchange or conversion rate per depositary share will be equal to:

    the exchange or conversion rate per share of preferred stock, multiplied by the fraction or multiple of a share of preferred stock represented by one depositary share;
 
    plus all money and any other property represented by one depositary share; and
 
    including all amounts per depositary share paid by us for dividends that have accrued on the preferred stock on the exchange or conversion date and that have not been paid.

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procedures as we use for the delivery of preferred stock. If a holder is only converting part of the depositary shares represented by a depositary receipt, new depositary receipts will be issued for any depositary shares that are not converted or exchanged.

Amendment and Termination of the Deposit Agreement

         We may agree with the depositary to amend the deposit agreement and the form of depositary receipt without consent of the holder at any time. However, if the amendment adds or increases fees or charges (other than any change in the fees of any depositary, registrar or transfer agent) or prejudices an important right of holders, it will only become effective with the approval of holders of at least a majority of the affected depositary shares then outstanding. We will make no amendment that impairs the right of any holder of depositary shares, as described above under “— Withdrawal of Preferred Stock”, to receive shares of preferred stock and any money or other property represented by those depositary shares, except in order to comply with mandatory provisions of applicable law. If an amendment becomes effective, holders are deemed to agree to the amendment and to be bound by the amended deposit agreement if they continue to hold their depositary receipts.

         The deposit agreement automatically terminates if:

    all outstanding depositary shares have been redeemed or converted or exchanged for any other securities into which they or the underlying preferred stock are convertible or exchangeable;
 
    each share of preferred stock has been converted into or exchanged for common stock; or
 
    a final distribution in respect of the preferred stock has been made to the holders of depositary receipts in connection with our liquidation, dissolution or winding-up.

         We may also terminate the deposit agreement at any time we wish. If we do so, the depositary will give notice of termination to the record holders not less than 30 days before the termination date. Once depositary receipts are surrendered to the depositary, it will send to each holder the number of whole or fractional shares of the series of preferred stock underlying that holder’s depositary receipts.

Charges of Depositary and Expenses

         We will pay the fees, charges and expenses of the depositary provided in the deposit agreement to be payable by us. Holders of depositary receipts will pay any taxes and governmental charges and any charges provided in the deposit agreement to be payable by them. If the depositary incurs fees, charges or expenses for which it is not otherwise liable at the election of a holder of a depositary receipt or other person, that holder or other person will be liable for those fees, charges and expenses.

Limitations on Our Obligations and Liability to Holders of Depositary Receipts

         The deposit agreement expressly limits our obligations and the obligations of the depositary. It also limits our liability and the liability of the depositary as follows:

    we and the depositary are only liable to the holders of depositary receipts for negligence or willful misconduct;
 
    we and the depositary have no obligation to become involved in any legal or other proceeding related to the depositary receipts or the deposit agreement on your behalf or on behalf of any other party, unless you provide us with satisfactory indemnity; and
 
    we and the depositary may rely upon any written advice of counsel or accountants and on any documents we believe in good faith to be genuine and to have been signed or presented by the proper party.

Resignation and Removal of Depositary

         The depositary may resign at any time by notifying us of its election to do so. In addition, we may remove the depositary at any time. Within 60 days after the delivery of the notice of resignation or removal of the depositary, we will appoint a successor depositary.

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DESCRIPTION OF OUR COMMON STOCK

         The following briefly summarizes the provisions of our restated articles of incorporation and bylaws that would be important to holders of common stock. The following description may not be complete and is subject to, and qualified in its entirety by reference to, the terms and provisions of our restated articles of incorporation and bylaws which are exhibits to the registration statement which contains this prospectus.

Our Common Stock

         Our authorized capital stock includes 480,000,000 shares of common stock. As of October 31, 2001, there were 207,405,759 shares of common stock outstanding, which were held by approximately 17,795 shareholders of record.

         Each share of common stock is entitled to participate pro rata in distributions upon liquidation, subject to the rights of holders of preferred shares, and to one vote on all matters submitted to a vote of shareholders, including the election of directors. A vote of two-thirds of the voting power of all outstanding voting shares is required in order to approve certain business combinations or to amend the provisions in our restated articles of incorporation applicable to such business combinations. Holders of common stock have no preemptive or similar equity preservation rights, and cumulative voting of shares in the election of directors is prohibited.

         The holders of common stock may receive cash dividends as declared by our board of directors out of funds legally available for that purpose, subject to the rights of any holders of preferred shares. We are a holding company, and our primary source for the payment of dividends is dividends from our subsidiaries. Various state laws and regulations limit the amount of dividends that may be paid to us by our insurance subsidiaries.

         The outstanding shares of common stock are, and the shares of common stock offered by the registration statement when issued will be, fully paid and nonassessable.

         Our common stock is listed on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol “SPC”.

Transfer Agent

         The transfer agent and registrar for our common stock is Wells Fargo Bank Minnesota, N.A.

Limitation of Liability and Indemnification Matters

         We are subject to Minnesota Statutes, Chapter 302A. Minnesota Statutes, Section 302A.521, provides that a corporation shall indemnify any person made or threatened to be made a party to a proceeding by reason of the former or present official capacity (as defined) of that person against judgments, penalties, fines (including, without limitation, excise taxes assessed against such person with respect to an employee benefit plan), settlements and reasonable expenses (including attorneys’ fees and disbursements), incurred by such person in connection with the proceeding, if, with respect to the acts or omissions of that person complained of in the proceeding, that person:

    has not been indemnified therefor by another organization or employee benefit plan;
 
    acted in good faith;
 
    received no improper personal benefit and Section 302A.255 (with respect to director conflicts of interest), if applicable, has been satisfied;
 
    in the case of a criminal proceeding, had no reasonable cause to believe the conduct was unlawful; and
 
    reasonably believed that the conduct was in the best interests of the corporation in the case of acts or omissions in that person’s official capacity for the corporation, or, in the case of acts or omissions in that person’s official capacity for other affiliated organizations, reasonably believed that the conduct was not opposed to the best interests of the corporation.

         Our bylaws provide that, subject to the limitations of the next sentence, we will indemnify and make permitted advances to a person made or threatened to be made a party to a proceeding by reason of his former or present official capacity against judgments, penalties, fines (including, without limitation, excise taxes assessed against the person with respect to an employee benefit plan), settlements and reasonable expenses (including, without

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limitation, attorneys’ fees and disbursements) incurred by that person in connection with the proceeding in the manner and to the fullest extent permitted or required by Section 302A.521. However, we will neither indemnify nor make advances under Section 302A.521 to any person who at the time of the occurrence or omission, which is claimed to have given rise to the matter which is the subject of the proceeding, only had an agency relationship to us and was not at that time our officer, director or employee unless such person and we were at that time parties to a written contract for indemnification or advances with respect to such matter or unless our board of directors specifically authorizes such indemnification or advances.

         We have directors’ and officers’ liability insurance policies, with coverage of up to $200 million, subject to various deductibles and exclusions from coverage.

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DESCRIPTION OF WARRANTS WE MAY OFFER

General

         We may issue warrants to purchase senior debt securities, subordinated debt securities, preferred stock, common stock or any combination of these securities and these warrants may be issued by us independently or together with any underlying securities and may be attached or separate from the underlying securities. We will issue each series of warrants under a separate warrant agreement to be entered into between us and a warrant agent. The warrant agent will act solely as our agent in connection with the warrants of such series and will not assume any obligation or relationship of agency for or with holders or beneficial owners of warrants.

         The following outlines some of the general terms and provisions of the warrants. Further terms of the warrants and the applicable warrant agreement will be stated in the applicable prospectus supplement. The following description and any description of the warrants in a prospectus supplement may not be complete and is subject to and qualified in its entirety by reference to the terms and provisions of the warrant agreement, a form of which has been filed as an exhibit to the registration statement which contains this prospectus.

         The applicable prospectus supplement will describe the terms of any warrants that we may offer, including the following:

    the title of the warrants;
 
    the total number of warrants;
 
    the price or prices at which the warrants will be issued;
 
    the currency or currencies investors may use to pay for the warrants;
 
    the designation and terms of the underlying securities purchasable upon exercise of the warrants;
 
    the price at which and the currency or currencies, including composite currencies, in which investors may purchase the underlying securities purchasable upon exercise of the warrants;
 
    the date on which the right to exercise the warrants will commence and the date on which the right will expire;
 
    whether the warrants will be issued in registered form or bearer form;
 
    information with respect to book-entry procedures, if any;
 
    if applicable, the minimum or maximum amount of warrants which may be exercised at any one time;
 
    if applicable, the designation and terms of the underlying securities with which the warrants are issued and the number of warrants issued with each underlying security;
 
    if applicable, the date on and after which the warrants and the related underlying securities will be separately transferable;
 
    if applicable, a discussion of material United States federal income tax considerations;
 
    the identity of the warrant agent;
 
    the procedures and conditions relating to the exercise of the warrants; and
 
    any other terms of the warrants, including terms, procedures and limitations relating to the exchange and exercise of the warrants.

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payments of principal (or premium, if any) or interest, if any, on the debt securities purchasable upon such exercise. Prior to the exercise of their warrants, holders of warrants exercisable for shares of preferred stock or common stock will not have any rights of holders of the preferred stock or common stock purchasable upon such exercise and will not be entitled to dividend payments, if any, or voting rights of the preferred stock or common stock purchasable upon such exercise.

Exercise of Warrants

         A warrant will entitle the holder to purchase for cash an amount of securities at an exercise price that will be stated in, or that will be determinable as described in, the applicable prospectus supplement. Warrants may be exercised at any time up to the close of business on the expiration date set forth in the applicable prospectus supplement. After the close of business on the expiration date, unexercised warrants will become void.

         Warrants may be exercised as set forth in the applicable prospectus supplement. Upon receipt of payment and the warrant certificate properly completed and duly executed at the corporate trust office of the warrant agent or any other office indicated in the prospectus supplement, we will, as soon as practicable, forward the securities purchasable upon such exercise. If less than all of the warrants represented by such warrant certificate are exercised, a new warrant certificate will be issued for the remaining warrants.

Enforceability of Rights; Governing Law

         The holders of warrants, without the consent of the warrant agent, may, on their own behalf and for their own benefit, enforce, and may institute and maintain any suit, action or proceeding against us to enforce their rights to exercise and receive the securities purchasable upon exercise of their warrants. Unless otherwise stated in the prospectus supplement, each issue of warrants and the applicable warrant agreement will be governed by the laws of the State of New York.

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DESCRIPTION OF STOCK PURCHASE CONTRACTS WE MAY OFFER

          We may issue stock purchase contracts, representing contracts obligating holders to purchase from or sell to us, and obligating us to purchase from or sell to the holders, a specified number of shares of our common stock or preferred stock, as applicable, at a future date or dates. The price per share of common stock or preferred stock, as applicable, may be fixed at the time the stock purchase contracts are issued or may be determined by reference to a specific formula contained in the stock purchase contracts. We may issue stock purchase contracts in such amounts and in as many distinct series as we wish.

         The applicable prospectus supplement may contain, where applicable, the following information about the stock purchase contracts issued under it:

    whether the stock purchase contracts obligate the holder to purchase or sell, or both purchase and sell, our common stock or preferred stock, as applicable, and the nature and amount of each of those securities, or the method of determining those amounts;
 
    whether the stock purchase contracts are to be prepaid or not;
 
    whether the stock purchase contracts are to be settled by delivery, or by reference or linkage to the value, performance or level of our common stock or preferred stock;
 
    any acceleration, cancellation, termination or other provisions relating to the settlement of the stock purchase contracts; and
 
    whether the stock purchase contracts will be issued in fully registered or global form.

          The applicable prospectus supplement will describe the terms of any stock purchase contracts. The preceding description and any description of stock purchase contracts in the applicable prospectus supplement does not purport to be complete and is subject to and is qualified in its entirety by reference to the stock purchase contract agreement and, if applicable, collateral arrangements and depository arrangements relating to such stock purchase contracts.

DESCRIPTION OF UNITS WE MAY OFFER

          We may issue units comprised of one or more of the other securities described in this prospectus in any combination. Each unit will be issued so that the holder of the unit is also the holder of each security included in the unit. Thus, the holder of a unit will have the rights and obligations of a holder of each included security. The unit agreement under which a unit is issued may provide that the securities included in the unit may not be held or transferred separately, at any time or at any time before a specified date.

         The applicable prospectus supplement may describe:

    the designation and terms of the units and of the securities comprising the units, including whether and under what circumstances those securities may be held or transferred separately;
 
    any provisions for the issuance, payment, settlement, transfer or exchange of the units or of the securities comprising the units; and
 
    whether the units will be issued in fully registered or global form.

          The applicable prospectus supplement will describe the terms of any units. The preceding description and any description of units in the applicable prospectus supplement does not purport to be complete and is subject to and is qualified in its entirety by reference to the unit agreement and, if applicable, collateral arrangements and depositary arrangements relating to such units.

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DESCRIPTION OF PREFERRED SECURITIES THAT THE TRUST MAY OFFER

         The following summary outlines the material terms and provisions of the preferred securities that the Trust may offer. The particular terms of any preferred securities the Trust offers and the extent if any to which these general terms and provisions may or may not apply to the preferred securities will be described in the applicable prospectus supplement.

         The Trust will issue the preferred securities under an amended and restated declaration of trust, which we will enter into at the time of any offering of preferred securities by the Trust. The amended and restated declaration of trust for the Trust is subject to and governed by the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 and Chase Manhattan Bank USA, National Association will act as Delaware trustee and JPMorgan Chase Bank will act as institutional trustee under the amended and restated declaration of trust for the purposes of compliance with the provisions of the Trust Indenture Act. The terms of the preferred securities will be those contained in the applicable amended and restated declaration of trust and those made part of the amended and restated declaration of trust by the Trust Indenture Act and the Delaware Business Trust Act. The following summary may not be complete and is subject to and qualified in its entirety by reference to the form of amended and restated declaration of trust, which is filed as an exhibit to the registration statement which contains this prospectus, the Trust Indenture Act and the Delaware Business Trust Act.

Terms

         The amended and restated declaration of trust will provide that the Trust may issue, from time to time, only one series of preferred securities and one series of common securities. The preferred securities will be offered to investors and the common securities will be held by us. The terms of the preferred securities, as a general matter, will mirror the terms of the subordinated debt securities that we will issue to the Trust in exchange for the proceeds of the sales of the preferred and common securities. If we fail to make a payment on the subordinated debt securities, the Trust holding those securities will not have sufficient funds to make related payments, including distributions, on its preferred securities.

         You should refer to the applicable prospectus supplement relating to the preferred securities for specific terms of the preferred securities, including, but not limited to:

    the distinctive designation of the preferred securities and common securities;
 
    the total and per-security-liquidation amount of the preferred securities;
 
    the annual distribution rate, or method of determining the rate at which the Trust issuing the securities will pay distributions, on the preferred securities and the date or dates from which distributions will accrue;
 
    the date or dates on which the distributions will be payable and any corresponding record dates;
 
    whether distributions on preferred securities will be cumulative, and, in the case of preferred securities having cumulative distribution rights, the date or dates or method of determining the date or dates from which distributions on preferred securities will be cumulative;
 
    the right, if any, to defer distributions on the preferred securities upon extension of the interest payment period of the related subordinated debt securities;
 
    whether the preferred securities are to be issued in book-entry form and represented by one or more global certificates and, if so, the depositary for the global certificates and the specific terms of the depositary arrangement;
 
    the amount or amounts which will be paid out of the assets of the Trust issuing the securities to the holders of preferred securities upon voluntary or involuntary dissolution, winding-up or termination of the Trust;
 
    any obligation of the Trust to purchase or redeem preferred securities issued by it and the terms and conditions relating to any redemption obligation;
 
    any voting rights of the preferred securities;
 
    any terms and conditions upon which the subordinated debt securities held by the Trust issuing the securities may be distributed to holders of preferred securities;

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    any securities exchange on which the preferred securities will be listed; and
 
    any other relevant rights, preferences, privileges, limitations or restrictions of the preferred securities not inconsistent with the amended and restated declaration of trust or with applicable law.

         We will guarantee the preferred securities to the extent described below under “Description of Trust Guarantee”. Our guarantee, when taken together with our obligations under the subordinated debt securities and the related indenture, and our obligations under the amended and restated declaration of trust, would provide a full, irrevocable and unconditional guarantee of amounts due on any preferred securities. Certain United States federal income tax considerations applicable to any offering of preferred securities will be described in the applicable prospectus supplement.

Liquidation Distribution Upon Dissolution

         Unless otherwise specified in an applicable prospectus supplement, the amended and restated declaration of trust states that the Trust will be dissolved:

    on the expiration of the term of the Trust;
 
    upon bankruptcy, dissolution or liquidation of us or the holder of the common securities of the Trust;
 
    upon our written direction to the institutional trustee to dissolve the Trust and distribute the related subordinated debt securities directly to the holders of the preferred securities and common securities;
 
    upon the redemption by the Trust of all of the preferred and common securities in accordance with their terms; or
 
    upon entry of a court order for the dissolution of the Trust.

         Unless otherwise specified in an applicable prospectus supplement, in the event of a dissolution as described above other than in connection with redemption, after the Trust satisfies all liabilities to its creditors as provided by applicable law, each holder of the preferred or common securities issued by the Trust will be entitled to receive:

    the related subordinated debt securities in an aggregate principal amount equal to the aggregate liquidation amount of the preferred or common securities held by the holder; or
 
    if any distribution of the related subordinated debt securities is determined by the institutional trustee not to be practical, cash equal to the aggregate liquidation amount of the preferred or common securities held by the holder, plus accumulated and unpaid distributions to the date of payment.

         If the Trust cannot pay the full amount due on its preferred and common securities because it has insufficient assets available for payment, then the amounts payable by the Trust on its preferred and common securities will be paid on a pro rata basis. However, if an event of default under the subordinated debt indenture has occurred and is continuing with respect to any series of related subordinated debt securities, the total amounts due on the preferred securities will be paid before any distribution on the common securities.

Events of Default

         The following will be events of default under the amended and restated declaration of trust:

    an event of default under the subordinated debt indenture occurs with respect to any related series of subordinated debt securities; or
 
    any other event of default specified in the applicable prospectus supplement occurs.

         If an event of default with respect to a related series of subordinated debt securities occurs and is continuing under the subordinated debt indenture, and the subordinated debt indenture trustee or the holders of not less than 25% in aggregate principal amount of the related subordinated debt securities outstanding fail to declare the principal amount of all of such subordinated debt securities to be immediately due and payable, the holders of at least 25% in aggregate liquidation amount of the outstanding preferred securities of the trust holding the

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subordinated debt securities will have the right to declare such principal amount immediately due and payable by providing written notice to us, the institutional trustee and the subordinated debt indenture trustee.

         At any time after a declaration of acceleration has been made with respect to a related series of subordinated debt securities and before a judgment or decree for payment of the money due has been obtained, the holders of a majority in liquidation amount of the affected preferred securities may rescind any declaration of acceleration with respect to the related subordinated debt securities and its consequences:

    if we deposit with the trustee funds sufficient to pay all overdue principal of and premium and interest on the related subordinated debt securities and other amounts due to the subordinated debt indenture trustee and the institutional trustee; and
 
    if all existing events of default with respect to the related subordinated debt securities have been cured or waived except non-payment of principal on the related subordinated debt securities that has become due solely because of the acceleration.

         The holders of a majority in liquidation amount of the affected preferred securities may waive any past default under the subordinated debt indenture with respect to related subordinated debt securities, other than a default in the payment of principal of, or any premium or interest on, any related subordinated debt security or a default with respect to a covenant or provision that cannot be amended or modified without the consent of the holder of each affected outstanding related subordinated debt security. In addition, the holders of at least a majority in liquidation amount of the affected preferred securities may waive any past default under the amended and restated declaration of trust.

         The holders of a majority in liquidation amount of the affected preferred securities shall have the right to direct the time, method and place of conducting any proceedings for any remedy available to the institutional trustee or to direct the exercise of any trust or power conferred on the institutional trustee under the amended and restated declaration of trust.

         A holder of preferred securities may institute a legal proceeding directly against us, without first instituting a legal proceeding against the institutional trustee or anyone else, for enforcement of payment to the holder of principal and any premium or interest on the related series of subordinated debt securities having a principal amount equal to the aggregate liquidation amount of the preferred securities of the holder, if we fail to pay principal and any premium or interest on the related series of subordinated debt securities when payable.

         We are required to furnish annually, to the institutional trustee for the Trust, officers’ certificates to the effect that, to the best knowledge of the individuals providing the certificates, we and the Trust are not in default under the applicable amended and restated declaration of trust or, if there has been a default, specifying the default and its status.

Consolidation, Merger or Amalgamation of the Trust

         The Trust may not consolidate or merge with or into, or be replaced by, or convey, transfer or lease its properties and assets substantially as an entirety to, any entity, except as described below or as described in "— Liquidation Distribution Upon Dissolution”. The Trust may, with the consent of the administrative trustees but without the consent of the holders of the outstanding preferred securities or the other trustees of the Trust, consolidate or merge with or into, or be replaced by, or convey, transfer or lease its properties and assets substantially as an entirety to, a trust organized under the laws of any State if:

    the successor entity either:

    expressly assumes all of the obligations of the Trust relating to its preferred and common securities; or
 
    substitutes for the Trust’s preferred securities other securities having substantially the same terms as the preferred securities, so long as the substituted successor securities rank the same as the preferred securities for distributions and payments upon liquidation, redemption and otherwise;

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    the successor securities are listed or traded, or any substituted successor securities will be listed upon notice of issuance, on the same national securities exchange or other organization on which the preferred securities are then listed or traded, if any;
 
    the merger event does not cause the preferred securities or any substituted successor securities to be downgraded by any national rating agency;
 
    the merger event does not adversely affect the rights, preferences and privileges of the holders of the preferred or common securities or any substituted successor securities in any material respect;
 
    the successor entity has a purpose substantially identical to that of the Trust;
 
    prior to the merger event, we shall provide to the Trust an opinion of counsel from a nationally recognized law firm stating that:

    the merger event does not adversely affect the rights, preferences and privileges of the holders of the Trust’s preferred or common securities in any material respect;
 
    following the merger event, neither the Trust nor the successor entity will be required to register as an investment company under the Investment Company Act of 1940; and
 
    following the merger event, the Trust or the successor entity will continue to be classified as a grantor trust for United States federal tax purposes; and

    we own, or our permitted transferee owns, all of the common securities of the successor entity and we guarantee or our permitted transferee guarantees the obligations of the successor entity under the substituted successor securities at least to the extent provided under the applicable preferred securities guarantee.

         In addition, unless all of the holders of the preferred securities approve otherwise, the Trust may not consolidate, amalgamate or merge with or into, or be replaced by, or convey, transfer or lease its properties and assets substantially as an entirety to, any other entity, or permit any other entity to consolidate, amalgamate, merge with or into or replace it if the transaction would cause the Trust or the successor entity to be taxable as a corporation or classified other than as a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes.

Voting Rights

         Unless otherwise specified in the applicable prospectus supplement, the holders of the preferred securities will have no voting rights except as discussed below and under “— Amendment to the Trust Agreement” and “Description of Trust Guarantee — Modification of the Trust Guarantee; Assignment” and as otherwise required by law.

         If any proposed amendment to the amended and restated declaration of trust provides for, or the trustee of the Trust otherwise proposes to effect:

    any action that would adversely affect the powers, preferences or special rights of the preferred securities in any material respect, whether by way of amendment to the amended and restated declaration of trust or otherwise; or
 
    the dissolution, winding-up or termination of the Trust other than pursuant to the terms of the amended and restated declaration of trust,

then the holders of the affected preferred securities as a class will be entitled to vote on the amendment or proposal. In that case, the amendment or proposal will be effective only if approved by the holders of at least a majority in aggregate liquidation amount of the affected preferred securities.

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amended and restated declaration of trust, including the right to direct the institutional trustee, as holder of the subordinated debt securities to:

    direct the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the subordinated debt indenture trustee for any related subordinated debt securities or execute any trust or power conferred on the subordinated debt indenture trustee with respect to the related subordinated debt securities;
 
    waive certain past defaults under the subordinated debt indenture with respect to any related subordinated debt securities;
 
    cancel an acceleration of the maturity of the principal of any related subordinated debt securities; or
 
    consent to any amendment, modification or termination of the subordinated debt indenture or any related subordinated debt securities where consent is required.

         In addition, before taking any of the foregoing actions, we will provide to the institutional trustee an opinion of counsel experienced in such matters to the effect that, as a result of such actions, the trust will not be taxable as a corporation or classified as other than a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes.

         The institutional trustee will notify all preferred securities holders of the Trust of any notice of default received from the subordinated debt indenture trustee with respect to the subordinated debt securities held by the Trust.

         Any required approval of the holders of preferred securities may be given at a meeting of the holders of the preferred securities convened for the purpose or pursuant to written consent. The administrative trustees will cause a notice of any meeting at which holders of securities are entitled to vote to be given to each holder of record of the preferred securities at the holder’s registered address at least 7 days and not more than 60 days before the meeting.

         No vote or consent of the holders of the preferred securities will be required for the Trust to redeem and cancel its preferred securities in accordance with its amended and restated declaration of trust.

         Notwithstanding that holders of the preferred securities are entitled to vote or consent under any of the circumstances described above, any of the preferred securities that are owned by us, or any affiliate of ours will, for purposes of any vote or consent, be treated as if they were not outstanding.

Amendment to the Trust Agreement

         The amended and restated declaration of trust may be amended from time to time by us and the institutional trustee and the administrative trustees of the Trust, without the consent of the holders of the preferred securities, to:

    cure any ambiguity or correct or supplement any provision which may be defective or inconsistent with any other provision;
 
    add to the covenants, restrictions or obligations of the sponsor; or
 
    modify, eliminate or add to any provisions to the extent necessary to ensure that the Trust will not be taxable as a corporation or classified as other than a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes, to ensure that the subordinated debt securities held by the Trust are treated as indebtedness for United States federal income tax purposes or to ensure that the Trust will not be required to register as an investment company under the Investment Company Act of 1940;

    provided, however, that, in each case, the amendment would not adversely affect in any material respect the interests of the holders of the preferred securities.

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securities of the Trust and receipt by the trustees of an opinion of counsel to the effect that the amendment will not cause the Trust to be taxable as a corporation or classified as other than a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes, affect the treatment of the subordinated debt securities held by the Trust as indebtedness for United States federal income tax purposes or affect the Trust’s exemption from the Investment Company Act of 1940.

         Notwithstanding the foregoing, without the consent of each affected holder of common or preferred securities of the Trust, an amended and restated declaration of trust may not be amended to:

    change the amount or timing of any distribution on the common or preferred securities of the Trust or otherwise adversely affect the amount of any distribution required to be made in respect of the securities as of a specified date;
 
    change any of the redemption provisions; or
 
    restrict the right of a holder of any securities to institute suit for the enforcement of any payment on or after the distribution date.

Removal and Replacement of Trustees

         Unless an event of default exists under the subordinated debt securities, we may remove the institutional trustee and the Delaware trustee at any time. If an event of default exists, the institutional trustee and the Delaware trustee may be removed only by the holders of a majority in liquidation amount of the outstanding preferred securities. In no event will the holders of the preferred securities have the right to vote to appoint, remove or replace the administrative trustees, because these voting rights are vested exclusively in us as the holder of all the Trust’s common securities. No resignation or removal of the institutional trustee or the Delaware trustee and no appointment of a successor trustee shall be effective until the acceptance of appointment by the successor trustee in accordance with the amended and restated declaration of trust.

Merger or Consolidation of Trustees

         Any entity into which the institutional trustee or the Delaware trustee may be merged or converted or with which it may be consolidated, or any entity resulting from any merger, conversion or consolidation to which the trustee shall be a party, or any entity succeeding to all or substantially all of the corporate trust business of the trustee, shall be the successor of the trustee under the applicable amended and restated declaration of trust; provided, however, that the entity shall be otherwise qualified and eligible.

Information Concerning the Institutional Trustee

         For matters relating to compliance with the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, the institutional trustee for the Trust will have all of the duties and responsibilities of an indenture trustee under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939. Except if an event of default exists under the amended and restated declaration of trust, the institutional trustee will undertake to perform only the duties specifically set forth in the amended and restated declaration of trust. While such an event of default exists, the institutional trustee must exercise the same degree of care and skill as a prudent person would exercise or use in the conduct of his or her own affairs. Subject to this provision, the institutional trustee is not obligated to exercise any of the powers vested in it by the amended and restated declaration of trust at the request of any holder of preferred securities, unless it is offered reasonable indemnity against the costs, expenses and liabilities that it might incur. But the holders of preferred securities will not be required to offer indemnity if the holders, by exercising their voting rights, direct the institutional trustee to take any action following a declaration event of default.

         JPMorgan Chase Bank, which is the institutional trustee for the Trust and St. Paul Capital Trust I (a statutory business trust created under Delaware law by us), also serves as the senior debt indenture trustee, the subordinated debt indenture trustee and the guarantee trustee under the trust guarantee described below. We and certain of our affiliates maintain banking relationships with JPMorgan Chase Bank, which are described above under “Description of Debt Securities We May Offer — Our Relationship With the Trustee”.

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Miscellaneous

         The administrative trustees of the Trust are authorized and directed to conduct the affairs of and to operate the Trust in such a way that:

    the Trust will not be taxable as a corporation or classified as other than a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes;
 
    the subordinated debt securities held by the Trust will be treated as indebtedness of ours for United States federal income tax purposes; and
 
    the Trust will not be deemed to be an investment company required to be registered under the Investment Company Act of 1940.

         We and the trustees are authorized to take any action, so long as it is consistent with applicable law, the certificate of trust or the amended and restated declaration of trust, that we and the trustees determine to be necessary or desirable for the above purposes, as long as it does not materially and adversely affect the holders of the preferred securities.

         Registered holders of the preferred securities have no preemptive or similar rights.

         The Trust may not, among other things, incur indebtedness or place a lien on any of its assets.

Governing Law

         The amended and restated declaration of trust and the preferred securities will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of Delaware, without regard to the conflict of laws provisions thereof.

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DESCRIPTION OF TRUST GUARANTEE

         The following describes certain general terms and provisions of the trust guarantee which we will execute and deliver for the benefit of the holders from time to time of preferred securities. The trust guarantee will be separately qualified as an indenture under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, and JPMorgan Chase Bank will act as indenture trustee under the trust guarantee for the purposes of compliance with the provisions of the Trust Indenture Act of 1939. The terms of the trust guarantee will be those contained in the trust guarantee and those made part of the trust guarantee by the Trust Indenture Act of 1939. The following summary may not be complete and is subject to and qualified in its entirety by reference to the form of trust guarantee, which is filed as an exhibit to the registration statement which contains this prospectus, and the Trust Indenture Act of 1939. The trust guarantee will be held by the guarantee trustee of the Trust for the benefit of the holders of the preferred securities.

General

         We will irrevocably and unconditionally agree to pay the following payments or distributions with respect to preferred securities, in full, to the holders of the preferred securities, as and when they become due regardless of any defense, right of set-off or counterclaim that the Trust may have except for the defense of payment:

    any accrued and unpaid distributions which are required to be paid on the preferred securities, to the extent the Trust does not make such payments or distributions but has sufficient funds available to do so;
 
    the redemption price and all accrued and unpaid distributions to the date of redemption with respect to any preferred securities called for redemption, to the extent the Trust does not make such payments or distributions but has sufficient funds available to do so; and
 
    upon a voluntary or involuntary dissolution, winding-up or termination of the Trust (other than in connection with the distribution of related subordinated debt securities to the holders of preferred securities or the redemption of all of the preferred securities), the lesser of:

    the total liquidation amount and all accrued and unpaid distributions on the preferred securities to the date of payment, to the extent the Trust does not make such payments or distributions but has sufficient funds available to do so; and
 
    the amount of assets of the Trust remaining available for distribution to holders of such preferred securities in liquidation of the Trust.

         Our obligation to make a payment under the trust guarantee may be satisfied by our direct payment of the required amounts to the holders of preferred securities to which the trust guarantee relates or by causing the Trust to pay the amounts to the holders.

Modification of the Trust Guarantee; Assignment

         Except with respect to any changes which do not adversely affect the rights of holders of preferred securities in any material respect (in which case no vote will be required), the trust guarantee may be amended only with the prior approval of the holders of not less than a majority in liquidation amount of the outstanding preferred securities to which the trust guarantee relates. The manner of obtaining the approval of holders of the preferred securities will be described in an accompanying prospectus supplement. All guarantees and agreements contained in the trust guarantee will bind our successors, assigns, receivers, trustees and representatives and will be for the benefit of the holders of the outstanding preferred securities to which the trust guarantee relates.

Termination

         The trust guarantee will terminate when any of the following has occurred:

    all preferred securities to which the trust guarantee relates have been paid in full or redeemed in full by us, the Trust or both;
 
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    the amounts payable in accordance with the amended and restated declaration of trust upon liquidation of the Trust have been paid in full.

         The trust guarantee will continue to be effective or will be reinstated, as the case may be, if at any time any holder of preferred securities to which the trust guarantee relates must restore payment of any amounts paid on the preferred securities or under the trust guarantee.

Events of Default

         There will be an event of default under the trust guarantee if we fail to perform any of our payment or other obligations under the trust guarantee. However, other than with respect to a default in payment of any guarantee payment, we must have received notice of default and not have cured the default within 90 days after receipt of the notice. We, as guarantor, will be required to file annually with the guarantee trustee a certificate regarding our compliance with the applicable conditions and covenants under our trust guarantee.

         The trust guarantee will constitute a guarantee of payment and not of collection. The holders of a majority in liquidation amount of the preferred securities to which the trust guarantee relates have the right to direct the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the guarantee trustee in respect of the trust guarantee or to direct the exercise of any trust or power conferred upon the guarantee trustee under the trust guarantee. If the guarantee trustee fails to enforce the trust guarantee, any holder of preferred securities to which the trust guarantee relates may institute a legal proceeding directly against us to enforce the holder’s rights under the trust guarantee, without first instituting a legal proceeding against the trust, the guarantee trustee or any one else. If we do not make a guarantee payment, a holder of preferred securities may directly institute a proceeding against us for enforcement of the trust guarantee for such payment.

Status of the Trust Guarantee

         The trust guarantee will be our general unsecured obligation and will rank as follows:

    subordinate and junior in right of payment to all of our senior indebtedness, as defined in the subordinated debt indenture;
 
    on parity with our most senior preferred or preference stock currently outstanding or issued in the future, with any guarantees of other preferred securities we or our affiliates may issue and with other issues of subordinated debt securities; and
 
    senior to our common stock.

         The terms of the preferred securities provide that each holder of preferred securities by acceptance of the preferred securities agrees to the subordination provisions and other terms of the trust guarantee relating to the subordination.

Information Concerning the Guarantee Trustee

         The guarantee trustee, except if we default under the trust guarantee, will undertake to perform only such duties as are specifically set forth in the trust guarantee and, in case a default with respect to the trust guarantee has occurred, must exercise the same degree of care and skill as a prudent person would exercise or use in the conduct of his or her own affairs. Subject to this provision, the guarantee trustee will not be obligated to exercise any of the powers vested in it by the trust guarantee at the request of any holder of the preferred securities unless it is offered reasonable indemnity against the costs, expenses and liabilities that it may incur.

Governing Law

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Effect of Obligations Under the Subordinated Debt Securities
and the Trust Guarantee

         As long as we may make payments of interest and any other payments when they are due on the subordinated debt securities held by the Trust, those payments will be sufficient to cover distributions and any other payments due on the preferred securities issued by the Trust because of the following factors:

    the total principal amount of the subordinated debt securities held by the Trust will be equal to the total stated liquidation amount of the preferred securities and common securities issued by the Trust;
 
    the interest rate and the interest payment dates and other payment dates on the subordinated debt securities held by the Trust will match the distribution rate and distribution payment dates and other payment dates for the preferred securities and common securities issued by the Trust;
 
    we will pay, and the Trust will not be obligated to pay, directly or indirectly, all costs, expenses, debt, and obligations of the Trust (other than obligations under the trust securities); and
 
    the amended and restated declaration of trust will further provide that the Trust is not authorized to engage in any activity that is not consistent with its limited purposes.

         We will irrevocably guarantee payments of distributions and other amounts due on the preferred securities to the extent the Trust has funds available to pay such amounts as and to the extent set forth under “Description of Trust Guarantee”. Taken together, our obligations under the subordinated debt securities, the subordinated debt indenture, the amended and restated declaration of trust and the trust guarantee will provide a full, irrevocable and unconditional guarantee of the Trust’s payments of distributions and other amounts due on the preferred securities. No single document standing alone or operating in conjunction with fewer than all of the other documents constitutes this trust guarantee. Only the combined operation of these documents effectively provides a full, irrevocable and unconditional guarantee of the Trust’s obligations under the preferred securities.

         If and to the extent that we do not make the required payments on the subordinated debt securities, the Trust will not have sufficient funds to make its related payments, including distributions on the preferred securities. Our trust guarantee will not cover any payments when the Trust does not have sufficient funds available to make those payments. Your remedy, as a holder of preferred securities, is to institute a direct action against us. Our obligations under the trust guarantee will be subordinate to all of our senior indebtedness.

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PLAN OF DISTRIBUTION

         We and the Trust may offer and sell the securities from time to time as follows:

    to or through underwriters or dealers;
 
    directly to other purchasers;
 
    through designated agents; or
 
    through a combination of any of these methods of sale.

         Any underwriter or agent involved in the offer and sale of the securities will be named in the applicable prospectus supplement.

         Because the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. (“NASD”) views securities such as the preferred securities as interest in a direct participation program, any offering of preferred securities by the Trust will be made in compliance with Rule 2810 of the NASD’s Conduct Rules.

         In some cases, we and the Trust may also repurchase the securities and reoffer them to the public by one or more of the methods described above. This prospectus may be used in connection with any offering of securities through any of these methods or other methods described in the applicable prospectus supplement.

         The securities we and the Trust distribute by any of these methods may be sold to the public, in one or more transactions, either:

    at a fixed price or prices, which may be changed;
 
    at market prices prevailing at the time of sale;
 
    at prices related to prevailing market prices; or
 
    at negotiated prices.

         We and the Trust may solicit offers to purchase securities directly from the public from time to time. We and the Trust may also designate agents from time to time to solicit offers to purchase securities from the public on our or the Trust’s behalf. The prospectus supplement relating to any particular offering of securities will name any agents designated to solicit offers, and will include information about any commissions we or the Trust may pay the agents, in that offering. Agents may be deemed to be “underwriters” as that term is defined in the Securities Act.

         In connection with the sale of securities, underwriters may receive compensation from us or the Trust or from purchasers of the securities, for whom they may act as agents, in the form of discounts, concessions or commissions. Underwriters may sell the securities to or through dealers, and such dealers may receive compensation in the form of discounts, concessions or commissions from the underwriters and/or commissions from the purchasers for whom they may act as agents. Underwriters, dealers and agents that participate in the distribution of the securities may be deemed to be underwriters, and any discounts or commissions they receive from us or the Trust, and any profit on the resale of the securities they realize may be deemed to be underwriting discounts and commissions under the Securities Act. Any such underwriter, dealer or agent will be identified, and any such compensation received will be described, in the applicable prospectus supplement.

         Unless otherwise specified in the related prospectus supplement, each series of the securities will be a new issue with no established trading market, other than the common stock. Any common stock sold pursuant to a prospectus supplement will be listed on the NYSE, subject to official notice of issuance. We and the Trust may elect to list any of the other securities on an exchange, but are not obligated to do so. It is possible that one or more underwriters may make a market in a series of the securities, but will not be obligated to do so and may discontinue any market making at any time without notice. Therefore, no assurance can be given as to the liquidity of the trading market for the securities.

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at the time of resale. The names of the dealers and the terms of the transaction will be set forth in the applicable prospectus supplement.

         We and the Trust may enter into agreements with underwriters, dealers and agents who participate in the distribution of the securities which may entitle these persons to indemnification by us and the Trust against certain liabilities, including liabilities under the Securities Act, or to contribution with respect to payments which such underwriters, dealers or agents may be required to make in respect thereof. Any agreement in which we agree to indemnify underwriters, dealers and agents against civil liabilities will be described in the applicable prospectus supplement.

         In connection with an offering, the underwriters may purchase and sell securities in the open market. These transactions may include short sales, stabilizing transactions and purchases to cover positions created by short sales. Short sales involve the sale by the underwriters of a greater number of securities than they are required to purchase in an offering. Stabilizing transactions consist of certain bids or purchases made for the purpose of preventing or retarding a decline in the market price of the securities while an offering is in progress.

         The underwriters also may impose a penalty bid. This occurs when a particular underwriter repays to the underwriters a portion of the underwriting discount received by it because the underwriters have repurchased securities sold by or for the account of that underwriter in stabilizing or short-covering transactions.

         These activities by the underwriters may stabilize, maintain or otherwise affect the market price of the securities. As a result, the price of the securities may be higher than the price that otherwise might exist in the open market. If these activities are commenced, they may be discontinued by the underwriters at any time. These transactions may be effected on an exchange or automated quotation system, if the securities are listed on that exchange or admitted for trading on that automated quotation system, or in the over-the-counter market or otherwise.

         We have not authorized any dealer, salesperson or other person to give any information or represent anything not contained in this prospectus. You must not rely on any unauthorized information. This prospectus does not offer to sell or buy any securities in any jurisdiction where it is unlawful.

         Underwriters, dealers and agents may engage in transactions with or perform services for us or the Trust, or be customers of ours or the Trust, in the ordinary course of business.

VALIDITY OF SECURITIES

         Unless otherwise indicated in the applicable prospectus supplement, certain matters of Delaware law relating to the Trust and its preferred securities will be passed upon for the Trust and us by Richards, Layton & Finger, P.A., Wilmington, Delaware. Unless otherwise indicated in the applicable prospectus supplement, the validity of the securities will be passed upon for us by Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., our Senior Vice President, and for the underwriters, if any, by Sullivan & Cromwell, New York, New York. Mr. Backberg may rely as to matters of New York law upon the opinion of Sullivan & Cromwell, and Sullivan & Cromwell may rely as to matters of Minnesota law upon the opinion of Mr. Backberg. As of November 16, 2001, Mr. Backberg owned, directly and indirectly, 20,183 shares of our common stock, 422 shares of our Series B Convertible Preferred Stock and currently exercisable options to purchase 71,219 additional shares of our common stock. Sullivan & Cromwell regularly provides legal services to us.

EXPERTS

         Our consolidated financial statements and financial statement schedules I through V as of December 31, 2000 and 1999, and for each of the years in the three-year period ended December 31, 2000, which are included in or incorporated by reference in our Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2000 and which have been incorporated by reference in this registration statement, have been audited by KPMG LLP, independent auditors, as set forth in their reports thereon incorporated by reference herein. The financial statements and financial statement schedules referred to above are included in reliance upon such reports of KPMG LLP, given upon the authority of such firm as experts in accounting and auditing.

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WHERE YOU CAN FIND MORE INFORMATION

         We file annual, quarterly and special reports, proxy statements and other information with the SEC. Our SEC filings are available to the public over the Internet at the SEC’s web site at http://www.sec.gov. You may also read and copy any document we file at the SEC’s public reference rooms in Washington, D.C., New York, New York and Chicago, Illinois. Please call the SEC at 1-800-SEC-0330 for further information on the public reference rooms. Our common stock is traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol “SPC”. You may inspect the reports, proxy statements and other information concerning us at the offices of the New York Stock Exchange, 11 Wall Street, New York, New York 10005.

         The SEC allows us to incorporate by reference the information we file with them, which means that we can disclose important information to you by referring you to those documents. The information incorporated by reference is an important part of this prospectus, and information that we file later with the SEC will automatically update and supersede this information. We incorporate by reference the documents listed below and filings that we make after the date of filing the initial registration statement and prior to the effectiveness of that registration statement, and any future filings made by us with the SEC under Sections 13(a), 13(c), 24 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 until we sell all of the securities that we have registered:

    Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2000;
 
    Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q for the quarters ended March 31, June 30, and September 30, 2001;
 
    Current Reports on Form 8-K filed March 12, April 30, July 18, July 25, August 3, September 20 and October 15, 2001 (as amended on October 29, 2001); and
 
    Proxy Statement for the Annual Meeting of Shareholders held on May 1, 2001.

         You may request a copy of these filings at no cost, by writing or telephoning us at the following address:

         Corporate Secretary, The St. Paul Companies, Inc., 385 Washington Street, St. Paul, Minnesota 55102. (651) 310-7911

         We have not included or incorporated by reference in this prospectus any separate financial statements of the Trust. We do not believe that these financial statements would provide holders of preferred securities with any important information for the following reasons:

    we will own all of the voting securities of the Trust;
 
    the Trust does not and will not have any independent operations other than to issue securities and to purchase and hold our subordinated debt securities; and
 
    we are fully and unconditionally guaranteeing the obligations of the Trust as described in this prospectus.

         Although the Trust would normally be required to file information with the SEC on an ongoing basis, we expect the SEC to exempt the Trust from filing this information for as long as we continue to file our information with the SEC.

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PART II

INFORMATION NOT REQUIRED IN PROSPECTUS

ITEM 14.  OTHER EXPENSES OF ISSUANCE AND DISTRIBUTION*
         
SEC registration fee
  $ 250  
Accounting fees and expenses
    15,000  
Legal fees and expenses
    175,000  
Printing expenses
    30,000  
Trustee fees and expenses
    20,000  
Rating agency fees
    0  
Miscellaneous
    9,750  
 
   
 
Total
  $ 250,000  
 
   
 


*   All fees and expenses other than the SEC registration fee are estimated. The St. Paul Companies, Inc. will pay all expenses.

ITEM 15. INDEMNIFICATION OF DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS

         The St. Paul is subject to Minnesota Statutes, Chapter 302A. Minnesota Statutes, Section 302A.521, provides that a corporation shall indemnify any person made or threatened to be made a party to a proceeding by reason of the former or present official capacity (as defined) of such person against judgments, penalties, fines (including, without limitation, excise taxes assessed against such person with respect to an employee benefit plan), settlements and reasonable expenses (including attorneys’ fees and disbursements), incurred by such person in connection with the proceeding, if, with respect to the acts or omissions of such person complained of in the proceeding, such person (1) has not been indemnified therefor by another organization or employee benefit plan; (2) acted in good faith; (3) received no improper personal benefit and Section 302A.255 (with respect to director conflicts of interest), if applicable, has been satisfied; (4) in the case of a criminal proceeding, had no reasonable cause to believe the conduct was unlawful; and (5) reasonably believed that the conduct was in the best interests of the corporation in the case of acts or omissions in such person’s official capacity for the corporation, or, in the case of acts or omissions in such person’s official capacity for other affiliated organizations, reasonably believed that the conduct was not opposed to the best interests of the corporation.

         The Bylaws of The St. Paul provide that, subject to the limitations of the next sentence, it will indemnify and make permitted advances to a person made or threatened to be made a party to a proceeding by reason of his former or present official capacity against judgments, penalties, fines (including, without limitation, excise taxes assessed against the person with respect to an employee benefit plan), settlements and reasonable expenses (including, without limitation, attorneys’ fees and disbursements) incurred by him in connection with the proceeding in the manner and to the fullest extent permitted or required by Section 302A.521. Notwithstanding the foregoing, The St. Paul will neither indemnify nor make advances under Section 302A.521 to any person who at the time of the occurrence or omission claimed to have given rise to the matter which is the subject of the proceeding only had an agency relationship to The St. Paul and was not at that time an officer, director or employee thereof unless such person and The St. Paul were at that time parties to a written contract for indemnification or advances with respect to such matter or unless the board specifically authorizes such indemnification or advances.

         The St. Paul has directors’ and officers’ liability insurance policies, with coverage of up to $200 million, subject to various deductibles and exclusions from coverage.

         The St. Paul, as depositor, has agreed in the amended and restated declaration of trust to (i) reimburse the trustees of the Trust for all reasonable expenses (including reasonable fees and expenses of counsel and other experts) and (ii) indemnify, defend and hold harmless the trustees and any of the officers, directors, employees and agents of the trustees (the “Indemnified Persons”) from and against any and all losses, damages, liabilities, claims, actions, suits, costs, expenses, disbursements (including the reasonable fees and expenses of counsel), taxes and penalties of any kind and nature whatsoever (collectively, “Expenses”), to the extent that such Expenses arise out of, or are imposed upon, or asserted at any time against, such Indemnified Persons with respect to the performance of the amended and restated declaration of trust, the creation, operation or termination of a trust or the transactions contemplated thereby; provided, however, that The St. Paul shall not be required to indemnify any Indemnified Person for any Expenses which are a result of the willful misconduct, bad faith or gross negligence of such Indemnified Person.

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ITEM 16. EXHIBITS

     
1.1   Form of Underwriting Agreement for senior and subordinated debt securities and warrants.
1.2   Form of Underwriting Agreement for preferred stock.
1.3   Form of Underwriting Agreement for common stock.
1.4   Form of Underwriting Agreement for convertible debt securities.
1.5   Form of Underwriting Agreement for preferred securities of St. Paul Capital Trust II.
1.6   Form of Underwriting Agreement for stock purchase contracts.*
1.7   Form of Underwriting Agreement for units.*
3.1   Restated Articles of Incorporation (incorporated by reference to Exhibit 3(a) to our Annual Report on
Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 1998)
3.2   Bylaws (incorporated by reference to Exhibit 3(b) to our Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2000)
4.1   Form of Indenture for senior debt securities.
4.2   Form of Indenture for subordinated debt securities.
4.3   Form of Deposit Agreement.
4.4   Form of Depositary Receipt (included in Exhibit 4.3)
4.5   Form of Senior Debt Security (included in Exhibit 4.1)
4.6   Form of Subordinated Debt Security (included in Exhibit 4.2)
4.7   Form of Preferred Security (included in Exhibit 4.15)
4.8   Form of Common Security (included in Exhibit 4.15)
4.9   Form of Warrant Agreement.
4.10   Form of Stock Purchase Contract Agreement, including the form of the Security Certificate.*
4.11   Form of Unit Agreement, including form of Unit Certificate.*
4.12   Form of Pledge Agreement.*
4.13   Certificate of Trust of St. Paul Capital Trust II.
4.14   Declaration of Trust of St. Paul Capital Trust II.
4.15   Form of Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust for St. Paul Capital Trust II.
4.16   Form of Preferred Securities Guarantee Agreement.
4.17   Form of Common Securities Guarantee Agreement.
5.1   Opinion of Bruce A. Backberg, Esq.
5.2   Opinion of Richards, Layton & Finger, P.A.
5.3   Opinion of Sullivan & Cromwell.
12   Computation of ratios of earnings to fixed charges and of earnings to combined fixed charges and preferred stock dividends.
23.1   Consent of KPMG LLP.
23.2   Consent of Bruce A. Backberg, Esq. (included in Exhibit 5.1)
23.3   Consent of Richards, Layton & Finger, P.A. (included in Exhibit 5.2)
23.4   Consent of Sullivan & Cromwell (included Exhibit 5.3)
24   Powers of Attorney.
25.1   Statement of Eligibility and Qualification of Trustee on Form T-1 under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended, of JPMorgan Chase Bank to act as trustee under the Senior Debt Indenture for the Senior Debt Securities.
25.2   Statement of Eligibility and Qualification of Trustee on Form T-1 under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended, of JPMorgan Chase Bank to act as trustee under the Subordinated Debt Indenture for the Subordinated Debt Securities.
25.3   Statement of Eligibility and Qualification of Trustee on Form T-1 under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended, of JPMorgan Chase Bank to act as trustee for the Preferred Securities of St. Paul Capital Trust II.
25.4   Statement of Eligibility and Qualification of Trustee on Form T-1 under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended, of JPMorgan Chase Bank to act as trustee for the Preferred Securities Guarantee Agreement for the benefit of the holders of the Preferred Securities of St. Paul Capital Trust II.


*   To be filed by amendment or as an exhibit to a document to be incorporated by reference herein in connection with an offering of the offered securities.

ITEM 17.  UNDERTAKINGS

(a)   The undersigned registrant hereby undertakes:

  (1)   To file, during any period in which offers or sales are being made, a post-effective amendment to this registration statement:

  (i)   To include any prospectus required by Section 10(a)(3) of the Securities Act of 1933;
 
  (ii)   To reflect in the prospectus any facts or events arising after the effective date of the registration statement (or the most recent post-effective amendment thereof) which, individually or in the aggregate, represent a fundamental change in the information set

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      forth in the registration statement. Notwithstanding the foregoing, any increase or decrease in volume of securities offered (if the total dollar value of securities offered would not exceed that which was registered) and any deviation from the low or high end of the estimated maximum offering range may be reflected in the form of prospectus filed with the SEC pursuant to Rule 424(b) if, in the aggregate, the changes in volume and price represent no more than a 20% change in the maximum aggregate offering price set forth in the “Calculation of Registration Fee” table in the effective registration statement;
 
  (iii)   To include any material information with respect to the plan of distribution not previously disclosed in the registration statement or any material change to such information in the registration statement;

    provided, however, that paragraphs (1)(i) and (1)(ii) do not apply if the information required to be included in a post-effective amendment by those paragraphs is contained in periodic reports filed by the registrant pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 that are incorporated by reference in the registration statement.

  (2)   That, for the purpose of determining any liability under the Securities Act of 1933, each such post-effective amendment shall be deemed to be a new registration statement relating to the securities offered therein, and the offering of such securities at that time shall be deemed to be the initial bona fide offering thereof.
 
  (3)   To remove from registration by means of a post-effective amendment any of the securities being registered which remain unsold at the termination of the offering.

(b)   The undersigned registrant hereby undertakes that, for purposes of determining any liability under the Securities Act of 1933, each filing of the registrant’s annual report pursuant to Section 13(a) or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (and, where applicable, each filing of an employee benefit plan’s annual report pursuant to Section 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934) that is incorporated by reference in the registration statement shall be deemed to be a new registration statement relating to the securities offered therein, and the offering of such securities at that time shall be deemed to be the initial bona fide offering thereof.
 
(c)   The undersigned registrant hereby undertakes to deliver or cause to be delivered with the prospectus, to each person to whom the prospectus is sent or given, the latest annual report to security holders that is incorporated by reference in the prospectus and furnished pursuant to and meeting the requirements of Rule 14a-3 or Rule 14c-3 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934; and, where interim financial information required to be presented by Article 3 of Regulation S-X are not set forth in the prospectus, to deliver, or cause to be delivered to each person to whom the prospectus is sent or given, the latest quarterly report that is specifically incorporated by reference in the prospectus to provide such interim financial information.
 
(d)   Insofar as indemnification for liabilities arising under the Securities Act of 1933 may be permitted to directors, officers and controlling persons of the registrant pursuant to the provisions described under Item 15 above, or otherwise, the registrant has been advised that in the opinion of the Securities and Exchange Commission such indemnification is against public policy as expressed in the Act and is, therefore, unenforceable. In the event that a claim for indemnification against such liabilities (other than the payment by the registrant of expenses incurred or paid by a director, officer or controlling person of the registrant in the successful defense of any action, suit or proceeding) is asserted against the registrant by such director, officer or controlling person in connection with the securities being registered, the registrant will, unless in the opinion of its counsel the matter has been settled by controlling precedent, submit to a court of appropriate jurisdiction the question whether such indemnification by it is against public policy as expressed in the Act and will be governed by the final adjudication of such issue.
 
(e)   The undersigned registrant hereby undertakes that:

  (1)   For purposes of determining any liability under the Securities Act of 1933, the information omitted from the form of prospectus filed as part of this registration statement in reliance upon Rule 430A and contained in a form of prospectus filed by the registrant pursuant to Rule 424(b)(1) or (4) or 497(h) under the Securities Act shall be deemed to be part of this registration statement as of the time it was declared effective.
 
  (2)   For the purpose of determining any liability under the Securities Act of 1933, each post-effective amendment that contains a form of prospectus shall be deemed to be a new registration statement relating to the securities offered therein, and the offering of such securities at that time shall be deemed to be the initial bona fide offering thereof.

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SIGNATURES

         Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Act of 1933, the Registrant certifies that it has reasonable grounds to believe that it meets all of the requirements for filing on Form S-3 and has duly caused this Registration Statement to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned, thereunto duly authorized, in the City of St. Paul and State of Minnesota, on the 21st day of November 2001.

  THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

  By:  /s/ BRUCE A. BACKBERG
       Bruce A. Backberg, Esq.
       Senior Vice President

         Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Act of 1933, this Registration Statement has been signed below on November 21, 2001 by the following persons in the capacities indicated:

     
SIGNATURE   TITLE
     
     
/s/ JAY S. FISHMAN

(Jay S. Fishman)
  Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
(Principal Executive Officer)
     
/s/ THOMAS A. BRADLEY

(Thomas A. Bradley)
  Chief Financial Officer
(Principal Financial Officer)
     
/s/ JOHN C. TREACY

(John C. Treacy)
  Vice President and Corporate Controller
(Principal Accounting Officer)
     
*

(H. Furlong Baldwin)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(Carolyn H. Byrd)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(John H. Dasburg)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(Janet M. Dolan)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(Kenneth M. Duberstein)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(Pierson M. Grieve)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(Thomas R. Hodgson)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(David G. John)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(William H. Kling)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(Douglas W. Leatherdale)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(Bruce K. MacLaury)
  Member of the Board of Directors

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SIGNATURE   TITLE
     
     
*

(Glen D. Nelson, M.D.)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
*

(Gordon M. Sprenger)
  Member of the Board of Directors
     
     
*By:   /s/   BRUCE A. BACKBERG   
       Bruce A. Backberg
       Attorney-in-fact

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SIGNATURES

         Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Act of 1933, the Registrant certifies that it has reasonable grounds to believe that it meets all of the requirements for filing on Form S-3 and has duly caused this Registration Statement to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned, thereunto duly authorized, in the City of St. Paul and State of Minnesota, on the 21st day of November 2001.

  ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II

  By: THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.,
       as Sponsor

  By:    /s/ BRUCE A. BACKBERG  
Name: Bruce A. Backberg, Esq.
Title: Senior Vice President

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EXHIBIT INDEX

     
Exhibit    
No.   Description

 
   1.1   Form of Underwriting Agreement for senior and subordinated debt securities and warrants.
   1.2   Form of Underwriting Agreement for preferred stock.
   1.3   Form of Underwriting Agreement for common stock.
   1.4   Form of Underwriting Agreement for convertible debt securities.
   1.5   Form of Underwriting Agreement for preferred securities of St. Paul Capital Trust II.
   1.6   Form of Underwriting Agreement for stock purchase contracts.*
   1.7   Form of Underwriting Agreement for units.*
   3.1   Restated Articles of Incorporation (incorporated by reference to Exhibit 3(a) to our Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 1998)
   3.2   Bylaws (incorporated by reference to Exhibit 3(b) to our Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2000)
   4.1   Form of Indenture for senior debt securities.
   4.2   Form of Indenture for subordinated debt securities.
   4.3   Form of Deposit Agreement.
   4.4   Form of Depositary Receipt (included in Exhibit 4.3)
   4.5   Form of Senior Debt Security (included in Exhibit 4.1)
   4.6   Form of Subordinated Debt Security (included in Exhibit 4.2)
   4.7   Form of Preferred Security (included in Exhibit 4.15)
   4.8   Form of Common Security (included in Exhibit 4.15)
   4.9   Form of Warrant Agreement.
   4.10   Form of Stock Purchase Contract Agreement, including the form of the Security Certificate.*
   4.11   Form of Unit Agreement, including form of Unit Certificate.*
   4.12   Form of Pledge Agreement.*
   4.13   Certificate of Trust of St. Paul Capital Trust II.
   4.14   Declaration of Trust of St. Paul Capital Trust II.
   4.15   Form of Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust for St. Paul Capital Trust II.
   4.16   Form of Preferred Securities Guarantee Agreement.
   4.17   Form of Common Securities Guarantee Agreement.
   5.1   Opinion of Bruce A. Backberg, Esq.
   5.2   Opinion of Richards, Layton & Finger, P.A.
   5.3   Opinion of Sullivan & Cromwell.
   12   Computation of ratios of earnings to fixed charges and of earnings to combined fixed charges and preferred stock dividends.
   23.1   Consent of KPMG LLP.
   23.2   Consent of Bruce A. Backberg, Esq. (included in Exhibit 5.1)
   23.3   Consent of Richards, Layton & Finger, P.A. (included in Exhibit 5.2)
   23.4   Consent of Sullivan & Cromwell (included in Exhibit 5.3)
   24   Powers of Attorney.
   25.1   Statement of Eligibility and Qualification of Trustee on Form T-1 under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended, of JPMorgan Chase Bank to act as trustee under the Senior Debt Indenture for the Senior Debt Securities.
   25.2   Statement of Eligibility and Qualification of Trustee on Form T-1 under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended, of JPMorgan Chase Bank to act as trustee under the Subordinated Debt Indenture for the Subordinated Debt Securities.
   25.3   Statement of Eligibility and Qualification of Trustee on Form T-1 under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended, of JPMorgan Chase Bank to act as trustee for the Preferred Securities of St. Paul Capital Trust II.
   25.4   Statement of Eligibility and Qualification of Trustee on Form T-1 under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended, of JPMorgan Chase Bank to act as trustee for the Preferred Securities Guarantee Agreement for the benefit of the holders of the Preferred Securities of St. Paul Capital Trust II.


*   To be filed by amendment or as an exhibit to a document to be incorporated by reference herein in connection with an offering of the offered securities.

Exhibit 1.1

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

DEBT SECURITIES


Underwriting Agreement

[Date]

[UNDERWRITERS]
[As representatives of the several Underwriters named in Schedule 1 hereto,]

[c/o NAME]
[ADDRESS]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

From time to time The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Company"), proposes to enter into one or more Pricing Agreements (each a "Pricing Agreement") in the form of Annex I hereto, with such additions and deletions as the parties thereto may determine, and, subject to the terms and conditions stated herein and therein, to issue and sell to the firms named in Schedule I to the applicable Pricing Agreement (such firms constituting the "Underwriters" with respect to such Pricing Agreement and the securities specified therein) certain of its debt securities (the "Securities") specified in Schedule II to such Pricing Agreement (with respect to such Pricing Agreement, the "Designated Securities"), [to which warrants for the purchase of common stock, without par value (the "Common Stock")* of the Company (with respect to such Pricing Agreement, the "Warrants") will be attached].

The terms and rights of any particular issuance of Designated Securities shall be as specified in the Pricing Agreement relating thereto and in or pursuant to the indenture (the "Indenture") identified in such Pricing Agreement.

* Refer to a Security of the Company other than common stock throughout if the warrants are to purchase another Security of the Company.


1. Particular sales of the Designated Securities [and the Warrants] may be made from time to time to the Underwriters of such securities, for whom the firms designated as representatives of the Underwriters of such Securities in the Pricing Agreement relating thereto will act as representatives (the "Representatives"). The term "Representatives" also refers to a single firm acting as sole representative of the Underwriters and to an Underwriter or Underwriters who act without any firm being designated as its or their representatives. This Underwriting Agreement shall not be construed as an obligation of the Company to sell any of the Securities or as an obligation of any of the Underwriters to purchase the Securities. The obligation of the Company to issue and sell any of the Securities and the obligation of any of the Underwriters to purchase any of the Securities shall be evidenced by the Pricing Agreement with respect to the Designated Securities specified therein. Each Pricing Agreement shall specify the aggregate principal amount of such Designated Securities, the initial public offering price of such Designated Securities, the purchase price to the Underwriters of such Designated Securities, the names of the Underwriters of such Designated Securities, the names of the Representatives of such Underwriters and the principal amount of such Designated Securities to be purchased by each Underwriter and shall set forth the date, time and manner of delivery of such Designated Securities and payment therefor. The Pricing Agreement shall also specify (to the extent not set forth in the Indenture and the registration statement and prospectus with respect thereto) the terms of such Designated Securities. A Pricing Agreement shall be in the form of an executed writing (which may be in counterparts), and may be evidenced by an exchange of telegraphic communications or any other rapid transmission device designed to produce a written record of communications transmitted. The obligations of the Underwriters under this Agreement and each Pricing Agreement shall be several and not joint.

2. The Company represents and warrants to, and agrees with, each of the Underwriters that:

(a) A registration statement on Form S-3 (File No. [ ]) (the "Initial Registration Statement") in respect of the Securities, [the Warrants and the shares of Common Stock issuable upon exercise thereof] has been filed with

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the Securities and Exchange Commission (the "Commission"); the Initial Registration Statement and any post-effective amendment thereto, each in the form heretofore delivered or to be delivered to the Representatives and, excluding exhibits to the Initial Registration Statement, but including all documents incorporated by reference in the prospectus included in the latest registration statement, to the Representatives for each of the other Underwriters, have been declared effective by the Commission in such form; other than a registration statement, if any, increasing the size of the offering (a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement"), filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Act"), which became effective upon filing, no other document with respect to the Initial Registration Statement or documents incorporated by reference therein has heretofore been filed or transmitted for filing with the Commission (other than prospectuses filed pursuant to Rule 424(b) of the rules and regulations of the Commission under the Act, each in the form heretofore delivered to the Representatives); and no stop order suspending the effectiveness of any Initial Registration Statement, any post-effective amendment thereto, or the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, has been issued and no proceeding for that purpose has been initiated or threatened by the Commission (any preliminary prospectus included in the Initial Registration Statement or filed with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(a) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Act"), is hereinafter called a "Preliminary Prospectus"); the various parts of the Initial Registration Statement, any post-effective amendment thereto, and the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, including all exhibits thereto and the documents incorporated by reference in the prospectus contained in the Initial Registration Statement, at the time such part of the Initial Registration Statements became effective but excluding Form T-l, each as amended at the time such part of the Initial Registration Statements became effective or such part of the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, became or hereafter becomes effective, are hereinafter called the "Registration Statement"; the prospectus relating to the Securities, in the form in which it has most recently been filed, or transmitted for filing, with the Commission on or prior to the date of this Agreement, being hereinafter called the "Prospectus"; any reference herein to any Preliminary

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Prospectus or the Prospectus shall be deemed to refer to and include the documents incorporated by reference therein pursuant to the applicable form under the Act, as of the date of such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be; any reference to any amendment or supplement to any Preliminary Prospectus or the Prospectus shall be deemed to refer to and include any documents filed after the date of such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be, under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the "Exchange Act"), and incorporated by reference in such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be; any reference to any amendment to the Initial Registration Statement shall be deemed to refer to and include any annual report of the Company filed pursuant to Sections 13(a) or 15(d) of the Exchange Act after the effective date of the Initial Registration Statement that is incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement; and any reference to the Prospectus as amended or supplemented shall be deemed to refer to and include the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the applicable Designated Securities to be sold pursuant to this Agreement, in the form filed or transmitted for filing with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(b) under the Act and in accordance with Section 5(a) hereof (including any documents incorporated by reference therein as of the date of such filing);

(b) The documents incorporated by reference in the Prospectus, when they became effective or were filed with the Commission, as the case may be, conformed in all material respects to the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder, and none of such documents contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; and any further documents so filed and incorporated by reference in the Prospectus or any further amendment or supplement thereto, when such documents become effective or are filed with the Commission, as the case may be, will conform in all material respects to the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder and will not contain an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading;

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provided, however, that this representation and warranty shall not apply to any statements or omissions made in reliance upon and in conformity with information furnished in writing to the Company by an Underwriter of Designated Securities through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented to relate to a particular issuance of Securities;

(c) The Registration Statement and the Prospectus conform, and any further amendments or supplements to the Registration Statement or the Prospectus will conform, in all material respects to the requirements of the Act and the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended (the "Trust Indenture Act") and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder and do not and will not, as of the applicable effective date as to the Registration Statement and any amendment thereto and as of the applicable filing date as to the Prospectus and any amendment or supplement thereto, contain an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; provided, however, that this representation and warranty shall not apply to any statements or omissions made in reliance upon and in conformity with information furnished in writing to the Company by an Underwriter of Designated Securities through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented to relate to a particular issuance of Securities;

(d) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries has sustained since the date of the latest audited financial statements included or incorporated by reference in the Prospectus any direct loss or interference with its business from fire, explosion, flood or other calamity, whether or not covered by insurance, or from any labor dispute or court or governmental action, order or decree, which is material to the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus; and, since the respective dates as of which information is given in the Registration Statement and the Prospectus, there has not been any change in the capital stock or long-term debt of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole (other than any decrease in the capital stock resulting from purchases under the Company's Stock Repurchase Program and

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any increase resulting from the exercise of stock options or the issuance of restricted shares under the Company's stock incentive and employee compensation plans, or the conversion of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock) or any material adverse change, or any development involving a prospective material adverse change, in or affecting the general affairs, management, financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus;

(e) The Company has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of the State of Minnesota, with power and authority (corporate and other) to own its properties and conduct its business as described in the Prospectus, and has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each other jurisdiction in which it owns or leases properties, or conducts any business, so as to require such qualification, and is not subject to any material liability or disability by reason of the failure to be so qualified in any such jurisdiction; and each of the Company's principal subsidiaries (hereinafter called "Principal Subsidiaries"), namely St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and The John Nuveen Company, has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of its jurisdiction of incorporation and has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each other jurisdiction in which it owns or leases properties, or conducts any business, so as to require such qualification;

(f) The Company has an authorized capitalization as set forth in the Prospectus, and all of the issued shares of capital stock of the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued and are fully paid and non-assessable; [the shares of Common Stock initially issuable upon the exercise of the Warrants have been duly and validly authorized and reserved for issuance and, when issued and delivered in accordance with the provisions of the Designated Securities and the Warrant Agreement referred to below, will be validly issued, fully paid and non-assessable and will conform to the description of

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Common Stock in the Prospectus]; all of the issued shares of capital stock of each of St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and The John Nuveen Company held directly or indirectly by the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued, are fully paid and non-assessable and (except as disclosed in the Registration Statement) all shares of the capital stock of such subsidiaries are owned directly or indirectly by the Company, free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, equities or claims;

(g) The Securities have been duly authorized by the Company, and, when Designated Securities are issued and delivered pursuant to this Agreement and the Pricing Agreement with respect to such Designated Securities, such Designated Securities will have been duly executed, authenticated, issued and delivered and will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company entitled to the benefits provided by the Indenture, which will be substantially in the form filed as an exhibit to the Registration Statement; the Indenture has been duly authorized and duly qualified under the Trust Indenture Act and, at the Time of Delivery for such Designated Securities (as defined in
Section 4 hereof), the Indenture will constitute a valid and legally binding instrument, enforceable in accordance with its terms, subject, as to enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization and other laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles; and the Indenture conforms, and the Designated Securities will conform, to the descriptions thereof contained in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented with respect to such Designated Securities;

(h) [The Warrants have been duly authorized and, when issued and delivered pursuant to this Agreement and countersigned by the Warrant Agent as provided in the Warrant Agreement, will have been duly executed, countersigned, issued and delivered and will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company entitled to the benefits provided by the Warrant Agreement to be dated as of [ ], 200[ ] (the "Warrant Agreement") between the Company and [ ], as Warrant Agent (the "Warrant Agent"), under which they are to be issued; the Warrant Agreement has been duly authorized and, when executed by the Company and the

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Warrant Agent, will constitute a valid and legally binding instrument enforceable in accordance with its terms subject, as to enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization and other laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles; and the Warrants and the Warrant Agreement conform to the descriptions thereof in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented];

(i) The issue and sale of the Securities [and the Warrants] and the compliance by the Company with all of the provisions of the Securities,
[the Warrants], the Indenture, [the Warrant Agreement], this Agreement and any Pricing Agreement and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or by which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is bound or to which any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is subject, nor will such action result in any violation of the provisions of the Restated Articles of Incorporation, as amended, or the By-laws, as amended, of the Company or any statute or any order, rule or regulation of any court or governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Company or any of its subsidiaries or any of their properties; and no consent, approval, authorization, order, registration or qualification of or with any such court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Securities, [the Warrants,] or the consummation by the Company of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement,
[the Warrant Agreement], any Pricing Agreement or the Indenture, except such as have been, or will have been prior to the Time of Delivery, obtained under the Act and the Trust Indenture Act and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Securities by the Underwriters;

(j) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries is in violation of its organizational documents or in default in the performance or observance of any material obligation, agreement, covenant or condition

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contained in any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement, lease or other agreement or instrument to which it is a party or by which it or any of its properties is or may be bound;

(k) The statements set forth in the Prospectus under the captions "Description of Debt Securities We May Offer", [the "Description of our Common Stock" and the "Description of Warrants We May Offer"], insofar as they purport to constitute a summary of the terms of the Securities therein described, and, subject to the limitations set forth therein, under the caption "United States Taxation", and under the captions "Plan of Distribution" and "Underwriting" insofar as they purport to describe the provisions of the laws and documents referred to therein, are accurate, complete and fair;

(l) Other than as set forth in the Prospectus, and other than litigation (none of which is reasonably likely to be material) incidental to the kinds of business conducted by the Company and its subsidiaries, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party, or of which any property of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is the subject, which, if determined adversely to the Company or any of its subsidiaries, would individually or in the aggregate (after giving effect to any applicable insurance, reinsurance or reserves therefor) have a material adverse effect on the current or future consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole; and, to the best of the Company's knowledge, no such proceedings are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

(m) The Company is not and, after giving effect to each offering and sale of the Securities will not be, an "investment company" or an entity "controlled" by an "investment company", as such terms are defined in the Investment Company Act of 1940, as amended (the "Investment Company Act");

(n) Immediately after any sale of Securities [or Warrants] by the Company hereunder or under any Pricing Agreement, the aggregate amount of Securities [and Warrants] which shall have been issued and sold by the

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Company hereunder or under any Pricing Agreement and of any debt securities of the Company (other than such Securities) that shall have been issued and sold pursuant to the registration statement will not exceed the amount of debt securities registered under the registration statement; and

(o) (A) KPMG LLP, who have certified certain financial statements of the Company and its subsidiaries, are independent public accountants as required by the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder; and (B) Ernst & Young LLP, who have certified certain financial statements of former USF&G Corporation and its subsidiaries, are independent public accountants as required by the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder.

3. Upon the execution of the Pricing Agreement applicable to any Designated Securities [and Warrants] and authorization by the Representatives of the release of such Designated Securities [and Warrants], the several Underwriters propose to offer such Designated Securities [and Warrants] for sale upon the terms and conditions set forth in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented.

4. Designated Securities to be purchased by each Underwriter pursuant to the Pricing Agreement relating thereto, in definitive form to the extent practicable, and in such authorized denominations and registered in such names as the Representatives may request upon at least forty-eight hours' prior notice to the Company, shall be delivered by or on behalf of the Company to the Representatives for the account of such Underwriter, against payment by such Underwriter or on its behalf of the purchase price therefor by wire transfer of Federal (same-day) funds to the account specified by the Company to the Representatives at least forty-eight hours in advance or at such other place and time and date specified in such Pricing Agreement or at such other place and time and date as the Representatives and the Company may agree upon in writing, such time and date being herein called the "Time of Delivery" for such Securities.

5. The Company agrees with each of the Underwriters of any Designated Securities:

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(a) To prepare the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the applicable Designated Securities in a form approved by the Representatives and to file such Prospectus pursuant to Rule 424(b) under the Act not later than the Commission's close of business on the second business day following the execution and delivery of the Pricing Agreement relating to the applicable Designated Securities or, if applicable, such earlier time as may be required by Rule 424(b); to make no further amendment or any supplement to the Registration Statement or Prospectus as amended or supplemented after the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to such Securities [and Warrants] and prior to the Time of Delivery for such Securities [and Warrants] which shall be disapproved by the Representatives for such Securities [and Warrants] promptly after reasonable notice thereof; to advise the Representatives promptly of any such amendment or supplement after such Time of Delivery and furnish the Representatives with copies thereof; to file promptly all reports and any definitive proxy or information statements required to be filed by the Company with the Commission pursuant to Sections 13(a), 13(c), 14 or 15(d) of the Exchange Act for so long as the delivery of a prospectus is required in connection with the offering or sale of such Securities [and Warrants], and during such same period to advise the Representatives, promptly after it receives notice thereof, of the time when any amendment to the Registration Statement has been filed or becomes effective or any supplement to the Prospectus or any amended Prospectus has been filed with the Commission, of the issuance by the Commission of any stop order or of any order preventing or suspending the use of any prospectus relating to the Securities [,the Warrants or the shares of Common Stock issuable upon exercise of the Warrants], of the suspension of the qualification of such Securities for offering or sale in any jurisdiction, of the initiation or threatening of any proceeding for any such purpose, or of any request by the Commission for the amending or supplementing of the Registration Statement or Prospectus or for additional information; and, in the event of the issuance of any such stop order or of any such order preventing or suspending the use of any prospectus relating to the Securities or suspending any such qualification, to promptly use its best efforts to obtain the withdrawal of such order;

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(b) Promptly from time to time to take such action as the Representatives may reasonably request to qualify such Securities, [the Warrants and the shares of Common Stock issuable upon exercise of the Warrants] for offering and sale under the securities laws of such jurisdictions as the Representatives may request and to comply with such laws so as to permit the continuance of sales and dealings therein in such jurisdictions for as long as may be necessary to complete the distribution of such Securities [and Warrants], provided that in connection therewith the Company shall not be required to qualify as a foreign corporation or to file a general consent to service of process in any jurisdiction;

(c) To furnish the Representatives with copies of the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in such quantities as the Representatives may from time to time reasonably request, and, if the delivery of a prospectus is required at any time in connection with the offering or sale of the Securities [or Warrants] at such time any event shall have occurred as a result of which the Prospectus as then amended or supplemented would include an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state any material fact necessary in order to make the statements therein, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made when such Prospectus is delivered, not misleading, or, if for any other reason it shall be necessary during such same period to amend or supplement the Prospectus or to file under the Exchange Act any document incorporated by reference in the Prospectus in order to comply with the Act, the Exchange Act or the Trust Indenture Act, to notify the Representatives and upon their request to file such document and to prepare and furnish without charge to each Underwriter and to any dealer in securities as many copies as the Representatives may from time to time reasonably request of an amended Prospectus or a supplement to the Prospectus which will correct such statement or omission or effect such compliance;

(d) To make generally available to its security holders as soon as practicable, but in any event not later than eighteen months after the effective date of the Registration Statement (as defined in Rule 158(c) under the Act), an earnings statement of the Company and its subsidiaries (which need not be audited) complying with Section 11(a) of the Act and the rules and regulations of

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the Commission thereunder (including at the option of the Company Rule 158); and

(e) [If required by applicable law, prior to [ ], 20[ ], to cause to be registered, pursuant to an effective registration statement under the Act, the shares of Common Stock issuable upon exercise of the Warrants and to use its best efforts to maintain the effectiveness of such registration statement during the entire period during which the Warrants may be exercised; and

(f) To reserve and keep available at all times, free of preemptive rights, shares of Common Stock for the purpose of enabling the Company to satisfy any obligation to issue shares of its Common Stock upon exercise of the Warrants; and if requested by the Representatives in writing, to use its best efforts to list, subject to notice of issuance, the Securities and the Warrants and the shares of Common Stock issuable upon exercise of the Warrants on the [New York] Stock Exchange; and]

(g) During the period beginning from the date of the Pricing Agreement for such Designated Securities [and Warrants] and continuing to and including the earlier of (i) the termination of trading restrictions for such Designated Securities [and Warrants], as notified to the Company by the Representatives and (ii) the Time of Delivery for such Designated Securities, not to offer, sell, contract to sell or otherwise dispose of any debt securities of the Company which mature more than one year after such Time of Delivery and which are substantially similar to such Designated Securities, without the prior written consent of the Representatives; and

(h) If the Company elects to rely upon Rule 462(b), the Company shall file a Rule 462(b) Registration Statement with the Commission in compliance with Rule 462(b) by 10:00 P.M., Washington, D.C. time, on the date of this Agreement, and the Company shall at the time of filing either pay to the Commission the filing fee for the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement or give irrevocable instructions for the payment of such fee pursuant to Rule 111(b) under the Act.

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6. The Company covenants and agrees with the several Underwriters that the Company will pay or cause to be paid the following: (i) the fees, disbursements and expenses of the Company's counsel and accountants in connection with the registration of the Securities, [the Warrants and the shares of Common Stock issuable upon conversion of the Securities] under the Act and all other expenses in connection with the preparation, printing and filing of the Registration Statement, any Preliminary Prospectus and the Prospectus and amendments and supplements thereto and the mailing and delivering of copies thereof to the Underwriters and dealers; (ii) the cost of printing or producing any Agreement among Underwriters, this Agreement, any Pricing Agreement, [the Warrant Agreement,] any Indenture, any Blue Sky and Legal Investment Memoranda, closing documents (including compilations thereof) and any other documents in connection with the offering, purchase, sale and delivery of the Securities [and the Warrants]; (iii) all expenses in connection with the qualification of the Securities,[the Warrants and the shares of Common Stock issuable upon conversion of the Securities] for offering and sale under state securities laws as provided in Section 5(b) hereof, including the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Underwriters in connection with such qualification and in connection with the Blue Sky and Legal Investment Surveys; (iv) any fees charged by securities rating services for rating the Securities; (v) any filing fees incident to, and the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Underwriters in connection with, any required review by the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. of the terms of the sale of the Securities [and the Warrants]; (vi) the cost of preparing the Securities; (vii) the fees and expenses of any Trustee and any agent of any Trustee and the fees and disbursements of counsel for any Trustee in connection with any Indenture and the Securities; and [(viii) the fees and expenses of the Warrant Agent and any agent of the Warrant Agent and the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Warrant Agent in connection with the Warrant Agreement and the Warrants;] and (ix) all other costs and expenses incident to the performance of its obligations hereunder which are not otherwise specifically provided for in this Section. It is understood, however, that, except as provided in this Section, and Sections 8 and 11 hereof, the Underwriters will pay all of their own costs and expenses,

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including the fees of their counsel, transfer taxes on resale of any of the Securities [and the Warrants] by them, and any advertising expenses connected with any offers they may make.

7. The obligations of the Underwriters of any Designated Securities [and Warrants] under the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Securities shall be subject, in the discretion of the Representatives, to the condition that all representations and warranties and other statements of the Company in or incorporated by reference in the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Securities are, at and as of the Time of Delivery for such Designated Securities, true and correct, the condition that the Company shall have performed all of its obligations hereunder theretofore to be performed, and the following additional conditions:

(a) The Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the applicable Designated Securities shall have been filed with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(b) within the applicable time period prescribed for such filing by the rules and regulations under the Act and in accordance with Section 5(a) hereof; if the Company has elected to rely upon Rule 462(b), the Rule
462(b) Registration Statement shall have become effective by 10:00 P.M., Washington, D.C. time, on the date of this Agreement; no stop order suspending the effectiveness of the Registration Statement or any part thereof shall have been issued and no proceeding for that purpose shall have been initiated or threatened by the Commission; and all requests for additional information on the part of the Commission shall have been complied with to the Representatives' reasonable satisfaction;

(b) Counsel for the Underwriters shall have furnished to the Representatives such written opinion or opinions, dated the Time of Delivery for such Designated Securities, with respect to the incorporation of the Company, the validity of the Indenture, the Designated Securities, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and other related matters as the Representatives may reasonably request, and such counsel shall have received such papers and information as they may reasonably request to enable them to pass upon such matters;

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(c) Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., Senior Vice President for the Company, or other counsel for the Company acceptable to the Representatives, shall have furnished to the Representatives his written opinion, dated the Time of Delivery for such Designated Securities, in form and substance satisfactory to the Representatives, to the effect that:

(i) The Company has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of the State of Minnesota, with corporate power and authority to own its properties and conduct its business as described in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(ii) The Company has an authorized share capital as set forth in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and all of the issued shares of capital stock of the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued and are fully paid and non-assessable;

(iii) The Company has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each jurisdiction in which, in such counsel's opinion, the Company is required to be so qualified or if the Company is not so qualified in any such state or jurisdiction, the failure to so qualify would not, considering all cases in the aggregate, involve a material risk to the business, properties, financial position or results of operation of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole;

(iv) Each of the Principal Subsidiaries has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of its jurisdiction of incorporation; all of the issued shares of capital stock of each of St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and approximately 78% of the issued shares of the capital stock of The John Nuveen Company have been duly authorized and validly issued, are

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fully paid and non-assessable, and (except as disclosed in the Registration Statement) are owned directly or indirectly by the Company, free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, equities or claims (such counsel being entitled to rely in respect of the opinion in this clause upon opinions of local counsel and in respect of matters of fact upon certificates of officers of the Company or the Principal Subsidiaries, provided that such counsel shall state that he believes that both the Representatives and he are justified in relying upon such opinions and certificates);

(v) To such counsel's knowledge, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or of which any property of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is the subject, other than as set forth in the Prospectus and other than litigation or proceedings (none of which is reasonably likely to be material) incident to the kinds of business conducted by the Company and its subsidiaries, which, if determined adversely to the Company or any of its subsidiaries, would individually or in the aggregate (after giving effect to any applicable insurance, reinsurance or reserves therefor) have a material adverse effect on the consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole; and, to the best of such counsel's knowledge, no such proceedings are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

(vi) This Agreement and the Pricing Agreement with respect to the Designated Securities [and Warrants] have been duly authorized, executed and delivered by the Company;

(vii) The Designated Securities have been duly authorized, executed, authenticated, issued and delivered and constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company entitled to

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the benefits provided by the Indenture; and the Designated Securities and the Indenture conform to the descriptions thereof in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(viii) [The Warrants have been duly authorized, executed, issued and delivered and, when countersigned by the Warrant Agent as provided in the Warrant Agreement, will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company entitled to the benefits provided by the Warrant Agreement; the Warrant Agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered by the parties thereto and constitutes a valid and legally binding instrument enforceable in accordance with its terms, subject, as to enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization and other laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles; and the Warrant Agreement conforms to the description thereof in the Prospectus;]

(ix) The Indenture has been duly authorized, executed and delivered by the Company and constitutes a valid and legally binding obligation of the Company, enforceable in accordance with its terms, subject, as to enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization, fraudulent transfer, fraudulent conveyance, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles; and the Indenture has been duly qualified under the Trust Indenture Act;

(x) The issue and sale of the Designated Securities [and the Warrants], the compliance by the Company with all of the provisions of the Designated Securities, the Indenture, this Agreement, [the Warrant Agreement] and the Pricing Agreement with respect to the Designated Securities and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of,

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or constitute a default under, or result in the creation or imposition of any lien, charge or encumbrance upon any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries pursuant to the terms of, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument known to such counsel to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or by which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is bound or to which any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is subject, nor will such actions result in any violation of the provisions of the Restated Articles of Incorporation, as amended, or By-laws, as amended, of the Company or any statute or any order, rule or regulation known to such counsel of any court or governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Company or any of its subsidiaries or any of their properties;

(xi) No consent, approval, authorization, order, registration or qualification of or with any such court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Designated Securities [or the Warrants] or the consummation by the Company of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement, [the Warrant Agreement] or any applicable Pricing Agreement or the Indenture, except such as have been obtained under the Act and the Trust Indenture Act and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Designated Securities [and the Warrants] by the Underwriters;

(xii) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries is in violation of its organizational documents or in default in the performance or observance of any obligation, agreement, covenant or condition contained in any material indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement, lease or other agreement or instrument to which it is a party or by which it is or any of its properties is or may be bound, except where any such default does not have or would not reasonably be expected to have a material adverse affect on the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole;

(xiii) The statements set forth in the Prospectus under the captions "Description of Debt Securities We May Offer", [the "Description of our Common Stock" and the "Description of Warrants We May Offer"], insofar as they purport to constitute a summary of the terms of the Securities therein described, and, subject to the limitations set forth therein, under the caption "United States Taxation", and under the captions

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"Plan of Distribution" and "Underwriting" insofar as they purport to describe the provisions of the laws and documents referred to therein, are accurate, complete and fair;

(xiv) The Company is not and, after giving effect to each offering and sale of the Securities will not be, an "investment company" or an entity "controlled" by an "investment company", as such terms are defined in the Investment Company Act;

(xv) The documents incorporated by reference in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion), when they became effective or were filed with the Commission, as the case may be, complied as to form in all material respects with the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder; and such counsel has no reason to believe that any of such documents, when they became effective or were so filed, as the case may be, contained, in the case of the registration statement which became effective under the Act, an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, or, in the case of other documents which were filed under the Act or the Exchange Act with the Commission, an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact necessary in order to make the statements therein, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made when such documents were so filed, not misleading; and

(xvi) The Registration Statement and the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any further amendments and supplements thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion for the Designated Securities [and the Warrants](other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such

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counsel need express no opinion) comply as to form in all material respects with the requirements of the Act and the Trust Indenture Act and the rules and regulations thereunder; such counsel has no reason to believe that, as of its effective date, the Registration Statement or any further amendment thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading or that, as of its date, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or any further amendment or supplement thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact necessary to make the statements therein, in light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading or that, as of the date of such opinion, either the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or any further amendment or supplement thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contains an untrue statement of a material fact or omits to state a material fact necessary to make the statements therein, in light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading; and such counsel does not know of any amendment to the Registration Statement required to be filed or any contracts or other documents of a character required to be filed as an exhibit to the Registration Statement or required to be incorporated by reference into the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or required to be described in the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or

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supplemented which are not filed or incorporated by reference or described as required;

provided that in lieu of the delivery of the opinion set forth in paragraph (iv) of this Section 7(c) as to The John Nuveen Company, such counsel may cause Alan G. Berkshire, Vice President and General Counsel to The John Nuveen Company, to deliver an opinion as to such matters, dated the Time of Delivery for such Designated Securities.

(d) On the date of the Pricing Agreement for such Designated Securities and at the Time of Delivery for such Designated Securities, the independent accountants of the Company who have certified the financial statements of the Company and its subsidiaries included or incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement shall have furnished to the Representatives a letter, dated the effective date of the Registration Statement or the date of the most recent report filed with the Commission containing financial statements and incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement, if the date of such report is later than such effective date, and a letter dated such Time of Delivery, respectively and, with respect to such letter dated such Time of Delivery, as to such other matters as the Representatives may reasonably request and in form and substance satisfactory to the Representatives;

(e) (i) Neither the Company nor any of its Principal Subsidiaries shall have sustained since the date of the latest audited financial statements included or incorporated by reference in the Prospectus as amended prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Securities any loss or interference with its business from fire, explosion, flood or other calamity, whether or not covered by insurance, or from any labor dispute or court or governmental action, order or decree, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus as amended prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Securities, and (ii) since the respective dates as of which information is given in the Prospectus as amended prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Securities there shall not have been any change in the capital stock or long-term debt of the Company and its subsidiaries taken

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as a whole (other than any decrease in the capital stock resulting from purchases under the Company's Stock Repurchase Program and any increase in the capital stock resulting from the exercise of stock options or the issuance of restricted shares under the Company's stock incentive and employee compensation plans, or the conversion of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock) or any change, or any development involving a prospective change, in or affecting the general affairs, management, financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relative to the Designated Securities, the effect of which, in any such case described in clause (i) or (ii), is in the judgment of the Representatives so material and adverse as to make it impracticable or inadvisable to proceed with the public offering or the delivery of the Designated Securities on the terms and in the manner contemplated in the Prospectus as first amended relating to the Designated Securities;

(f) On or after the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Securities (i) no downgrading shall have occurred in the rating accorded the Company's debt securities or the Company's financial strength or claims paying ability by any "nationally recognized statistical rating organization," as that term is defined by the Commission for purposes of Rule 436(g)(2) under the Act and (ii) other than as disclosed in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, no such organization shall have publicly announced or otherwise given notice to the Company that it has under surveillance, review or watch, with possible negative implications, its rating of any of the Company's debt securities or the Company's financial strength or claims paying ability, or of any review for a possible change therein that does not indicate the direction of the possible change;

(g) On or after the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Securities there shall not have occurred any of the following:
(i) a suspension or material limitation in trading in securities generally on the New York Stock Exchange; (ii) a suspension or material limitation in trading the Company's securities on the New York Stock Exchange; (iii) a general moratorium on

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commercial banking activities in New York declared by either Federal or New York State authorities or a material disruption in the commercial banking or securities settlement or clearance services in the United States; or (iv) the outbreak or escalation of hostilities involving the United States or the declaration by the United States of a national emergency or war or the occurrence of any other calamity or crisis of change in financial, political or economic conditions in the United States or elsewhere if the effect of any such event specified in this clause (iv) in the judgment of the Representatives makes it impracticable or inadvisable to proceed with the public offering or the delivery of the Designated Securities [or Warrants] on the terms and in the manner contemplated in the Prospectus as first amended or supplemented relating to the Designated Securities [and the Warrants]; and

(h) The Company shall have furnished or caused to be furnished to the Representatives at the Time of Delivery for the Designated Securities
[and the Warrants] a certificate or certificates of officers of the Company satisfactory to the Representatives as to the accuracy of the representations and warranties of the Company herein at and as of such Time of Delivery, as to the performance by the Company of all of its obligations hereunder to be performed at or prior to such Time of Delivery, as to the matters set forth in subsections (a) and (f) of this Section and as to such other matters as the Representatives may reasonably request.

8. (a) The Company will indemnify and hold harmless each Underwriter against any losses, claims, damages or liabilities, joint or several, to which such Underwriter may become subject, under the Act or otherwise, insofar as such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) arise out of or are based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement of a material fact contained in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any amendment or supplement thereto, or arise out of or are based upon the omission or alleged omission to state therein a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, and will reimburse each Underwriter for any legal or other

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expenses reasonably incurred by such Underwriter in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim as such expenses are incurred; provided, however, that the Company shall not be liable in any such case to the extent that any such loss, claim, damage or liability arises out of or is based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission made in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any such amendment or supplement in reliance upon and in conformity with written information furnished to the Company by any Underwriter of Designated Securities through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented relating to such Securities; and provided, further, that the Company shall not be liable to any Underwriter under the indemnity agreement in this subsection (a) with respect to any Preliminary Prospectus to the extent that any such loss, claim, damage or liability of such Underwriter results from the fact such Underwriter sold Securities to a person to whom there was not sent or given, at or prior to the written confirmation of such sale, a copy of the Prospectus (excluding documents incorporated by reference) or of the Prospectus as then amended or supplemented (excluding documents incorporated by reference) in any case where such delivery is required by the Act if the Company has previously furnished copies thereof to such Underwriter and the loss, claim, damage or liability of such Underwriter results from an untrue statement or omission of a material fact contained in the Preliminary Prospectus which was corrected in the Prospectus (or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented).

(b) Each Underwriter will indemnify and hold harmless the Company against any losses, claims, damages or liabilities to which the Company may become subject, under the Act or otherwise, insofar as such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) arise out of or are based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement of a material fact contained in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities [and Warrants], or any amendment or supplement thereto, or arise out of or are based upon the

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omission or alleged omission to state therein a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, in each case to the extent, but only to the extent, that such untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission was made in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any such amendment or supplement in reliance upon and in conformity with written information furnished to the Company by such Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use therein; and will reimburse the Company for any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by the Company in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim as such expenses are incurred.

(c) Promptly after receipt by an indemnified party under subsection (a) or (b) above of notice of the commencement of any action, such indemnified party shall, if a claim in respect thereof is to be made against the indemnifying party under such subsection, notify the indemnifying party in writing of the commencement thereof; but the omission so to notify the indemnifying party shall not relieve it from any liability which it may have to any indemnified party otherwise than under such subsection. In case any such action shall be brought against any indemnified party and it shall notify the indemnifying party of the commencement thereof, the indemnifying party shall be entitled to participate therein and, to the extent that it shall wish, jointly with any other indemnifying party similarly notified, to assume the defense thereof, with counsel satisfactory to such indemnified party (who shall not, except with the consent of the indemnified party, be counsel to the indemnifying party), and, after notice from the indemnifying party to such indemnified party of its election so to assume the defense thereof, the indemnifying party shall not be liable to such indemnified party under such subsection for any legal expenses of other counsel or any other expenses, in each case subsequently incurred by such indemnified party, in connection with the defense thereof other than reasonable costs of investigation. No indemnifying party shall, without the written consent of the indemnified party, effect the settlement or compromise of, or consent to the entry of any judgment with respect to, any pending or threatened action

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or claim in respect of which indemnification or contribution may be sought hereunder (whether or not the indemnified party is an actual or potential party to such action or claim) unless such settlement, compromise or judgment (i) includes an unconditional release of the indemnified party from all liability arising out of such action or claim and (ii) does not include a statement as to, or an admission of, fault, culpability or a failure to act, by or on behalf of any indemnified party.

(d) If the indemnification provided for in this Section 8 is unavailable to or insufficient to hold harmless an indemnified party under subsection (a) or (b) above in respect of any losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) referred to therein, then each indemnifying party shall contribute to the amount paid or payable by such indemnified party as a result of such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) in such proportion as is appropriate to reflect the relative benefits received by the Company on the one hand and the Underwriters of the Designated Securities [and the Warrants] on the other from the offering of the Designated Securities [and the Warrants] to which such loss, claim, damage or liability (or action in respect thereof) relates. If, however, the allocation provided by the immediately preceding sentence is not permitted by applicable law or if the indemnified party failed to give the notice required under subsection (c) above, then each indemnifying party shall contribute to such amount paid or payable by such indemnified party in such proportion as is appropriate to reflect not only such relative benefits but also the relative fault of the Company on the one hand and the Underwriters of the Designated Securities [and the WARRANTS] on the other in connection with the statements or omissions which resulted in such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof), as well as any other relevant equitable considerations. The relative benefits received by the Company on the one hand and such Underwriters on the other shall be deemed to be in the same proportion as the total net proceeds from such offering (before deducting expenses) received by the Company bear to the total underwriting discounts and commissions received by such Underwriters. The relative fault shall be determined by reference to, among other things, whether the untrue or alleged untrue statement of a material fact or the omission

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or alleged omission to state a material fact relates to information supplied by the Company on the one hand or such Underwriters on the other and the parties' relative intent, knowledge, access to information and opportunity to correct or prevent such statement or omission. The Company and the Underwriters agree that it would not be just and equitable if contribution pursuant to this subsection
(d) were determined by pro rata allocation (even if the Underwriters were treated as one entity for such purpose) or by any other method of allocation which does not take account of the equitable considerations referred to above in this subsection (d). The amount paid or payable by an indemnified party as a result of the losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) referred to above in this subsection (d) shall be deemed to include any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by such indemnified party in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim. Notwithstanding the provisions of this subsection (d), no Underwriter shall be required to contribute any amount in excess of the amount by which the total price at which the applicable Designated Securities underwritten by it and distributed to the public were offered to the public exceeds the amount of any damages which such Underwriter has otherwise been required to pay by reason of such untrue or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission. No person guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation (within the meaning of Section 11(f) of the Act) shall be entitled to contribution from any person who was not guilty of such fraudulent misrepresentation. The obligations of the Underwriters of Designated Securities [and the Warrants] in this subsection (d) to contribute are several in proportion to their respective underwriting obligations with respect to such Securities and not joint.

(e) The obligations of the Company under this Section 8 shall be in addition to any liability which the Company may otherwise have and shall extend, upon the same terms and conditions, to each person, if any, who controls any Underwriter within the meaning of the Act; and the obligations of the Underwriters under this Section 8 shall be in addition to any liability which the respective Underwriters may otherwise have and shall extend, upon the same terms and conditions, to each officer and director of the Company and to each person, if any, who controls the Company within the meaning of the Act.

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9. (a) If any Underwriter shall default in its obligation to purchase the Designated Securities [and Warrants] which it has agreed to purchase under the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Securities [and Warrants], the Representatives may in their discretion arrange for themselves or another party or other parties to purchase such Designated Securities [and Warrants] on the terms contained herein. If within thirty-six hours after such default by any Underwriter the Representatives do not arrange for the purchase of such Designated Securities [and Warrants], then the Company shall be entitled to a further period of thirty-six hours within which to procure another party or other parties satisfactory to the Representatives to purchase such Designated Securities [and Warrants] on such terms. In the event that, within the respective prescribed period, the Representatives notify the Company that they have so arranged for the purchase of such Designated Securities [and Warrants], or the Company notifies the Representatives that it has so arranged for the purchase of such Designated Securities [and Warrants], the Representatives or the Company shall have the right to postpone the Time of Delivery for such Designated Securities [and Warrants] for a period of not more than seven days, in order to effect whatever changes may thereby be made necessary in the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, or in any other documents or arrangements, and the Company agrees to file promptly any amendments or supplements to the Registration Statement or the Prospectus which in the opinion of the Representatives may thereby be made necessary. The term "Underwriter" as used in this Agreement shall include any person substituted under this Section with like effect as if such person had originally been a party to the Pricing Agreement with respect to such Designated Securities [and Warrants].

(b) If, after giving effect to any arrangements for the purchase of the Designated Securities [and Warrants] of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters by the Representatives and the Company as provided in subsection
(a) above, the aggregate principal amount of such Designated Securities [and Warrants] which remains unpurchased does not exceed one-tenth of the aggregate principal amount of the Designated Securities, then the Company shall have the right to require each non-defaulting Underwriter to purchase the principal amount of Designated

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Securities which such Underwriter agreed to purchase under the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Securities [and Warrants] and, in addition, to require each non-defaulting Underwriter to purchase its pro rata share (based on the principal amount of Designated Securities which such Underwriter agreed to purchase under such Pricing Agreement) of the Designated Securities of such defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters for which such arrangements have not been made; but nothing herein shall relieve a defaulting Underwriter from liability for its default.

(c) If, after giving effect to any arrangements for the purchase of the Designated Securities [and Warrants] of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters by the Representatives and the Company as provided in subsection
(a) above, the aggregate principal amount of Designated Securities [and Warrants] which remains unpurchased exceeds one-tenth of the aggregate principal amount of the Designated Securities [and Warrants], as referred to in subsection
(b) above, or if the Company shall not exercise the right described in subsection (b) above to require non-defaulting Underwriters to purchase Designated Securities [and Warrants] of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters, then the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Securities
[and Warrants] shall thereupon terminate, without liability on the part of any non-defaulting Underwriter or the Company, except for the expenses to be borne by the Company and the Underwriters as provided in Section 6 hereof and the indemnity and contribution agreements in Section 8 hereof; but nothing herein shall relieve a defaulting Underwriter from liability for its default.

10. The respective indemnities, agreements, representations, warranties and other statements of the Company and the several Underwriters, as set forth in this Agreement or made by or on behalf of them, respectively, pursuant to this Agreement, shall remain in full force and effect, regardless of any investigation (or any statement as to the results thereof) made by or on behalf of any Underwriter or any controlling person of any Underwriter, or the Company, or any officer or director or controlling person of the Company, and shall survive delivery of and payment for the Securities.

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11. If any Pricing Agreement shall be terminated pursuant to
Section 9 hereof, the Company shall not then be under any liability to any Underwriter with respect to the Designated Securities [and the Warrants] covered by such Pricing Agreement except as provided in Section 6 and Section 8 hereof; but, if for any other reason Designated Securities [or Warrants] are not delivered by or on behalf of the Company as provided herein, the Company will reimburse the Underwriters through the Representatives for all out-of-pocket expenses approved in writing by the Representatives, including fees and disbursements of counsel, reasonably incurred by the Underwriters in making preparations for the purchase, sale and delivery of such Designated Securities
[and Warrants], but the Company shall then be under no further liability to any Underwriter with respect to such Designated Securities [and Warrants] except as provided in Section 6 and Section 8 hereof.

12. In all dealings hereunder, the Representatives of the Underwriters of Designated Securities [and Warrants] shall act on behalf of each of such Underwriters, and the parties hereto shall be entitled to act and rely upon any statement, request, notice or agreement on behalf of any Underwriter made or given by such Representatives jointly or by such of the Representatives, if any, as may be designated for such purpose in the Pricing Agreement.

All statements, requests, notices and agreements hereunder shall be in writing, and if to the Underwriters shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to the address of the Representatives as set forth in the Pricing Agreement; and if to the Company shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to the address of the Company set forth in the Registration Statement: Attention: Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., Senior Vice President; provided, however, that any notice to an Underwriter pursuant to
Section 8(c) hereof shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to such Underwriter at its address set forth in its Underwriters' Questionnaire, or telex constituting such Questionnaire, which address will be supplied to the Company by the Representatives upon request. Any such statements, requests, notices or agreements shall take effect upon receipt thereof.

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13. This Agreement and each Pricing Agreement shall be binding upon, and inure solely to the benefit of, the Underwriters, the Company and, to the extent provided in Section 8 and Section 10 hereof, the officers and directors of the Company and each person who controls the Company or any Underwriter, and their respective heirs, executors, administrators, successors and assigns, and no other person shall acquire or have any right under or by virtue of this Agreement or any such Pricing Agreement. No purchaser of any of the Securities [and Warrants] from any Underwriter shall be deemed a successor or assign by reason merely of such purchase.

14. Time shall be of the essence of each Pricing Agreement. As used herein, "business day" shall mean any day when the Commission's office in Washington, D.C. is open for business.

15. This Agreement and each Pricing Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.

16. This Agreement and each Pricing Agreement may be executed by any one or more of the parties hereto and thereto in any number of counterparts, each of which shall be deemed to be an original, but all such respective counterparts shall together constitute one and the same instrument.

If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please sign and return to us four counterparts hereof.

Very truly yours,

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By:

Name:


Title:

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Accepted as of the date hereof:

[UNDERWRITERS]

BY: [REPRESENTATIVE]

By:
Name:
Title:

On behalf of each of the Underwriters

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ANNEX I

PRICING AGREEMENT

[UNDERWRITERS]

As Representatives of the several

Underwriters named in Schedule I hereto,
[ADDRESS]

[DATE]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Company"), proposes, subject to the terms and conditions stated herein and in the Underwriting Agreement, dated [ ], 200[ ](the "Underwriting Agreement"), between the Company on the one hand and [UNDERWRITERS] on the other hand, to issue and sell to the Underwriters named in Schedule I hereto (the "Underwriters") the Securities specified in Schedule II hereto (the "Designated Securities") [and the warrants for the purchase of common stock of the Company specified in Schedule II hereto (the "Warrants")]. Each of the provisions of the Underwriting Agreement is incorporated herein by reference in its entirety, and shall be deemed to be a part of this Agreement to the same extent as if such provisions had been set forth in full herein; and each of the representations and warranties set forth therein shall be deemed to have been made at and as of the date of this Pricing Agreement, except that each representation and warranty which refers to the Prospectus in Section 2 of the Underwriting Agreement shall be deemed to be a representation or warranty as of the date of the Underwriting Agreement in relation to the Prospectus (as therein defined), and also a representation and warranty as of the date of this Pricing Agreement in relation to the Prospectus as amended or supplemented relating to the Designated Securities [and Warrants] which are the subject of this Pricing Agreement. Each reference to the Representatives herein and in the provisions of the Underwriting Agreement so incorporated by reference shall be deemed to refer to you. Unless otherwise defined herein, terms defined in the Underwriting Agreement are used herein as therein defined. The Representatives designated to act on behalf of the Representatives and on behalf of each of the Underwriters

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of the Designated Securities [and Warrants] pursuant to Section 12 of the Underwriting Agreement and the address of the Representatives referred to in such Section 12 are set forth at the end of Schedule II hereto.

An amendment to the Registration Statement, or a supplement to the Prospectus, as the case may be, relating to the Designated Securities [and the Warrants], in the form heretofore delivered to you is now proposed to be filed with the Commission.

Subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein and in the Underwriting Agreement incorporated herein by reference, the Company agrees to issue and sell to each of the Underwriters, and each of the Underwriters agrees, severally and not jointly, to purchase from the Company, at the time and place and at the purchase price to the Underwriters set forth in Schedule II hereto, the principal amount of Designated Securities [and Warrants] set forth opposite the name of such Underwriter in Schedule I hereto.

If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please sign and return to us [ ] counterparts hereof [(one for the issuer and each of the Representatives plus one for each Counsel)], and upon acceptance hereof by you, on behalf of each of the Underwriters, this letter and such acceptance hereof, including the provisions of the Underwriting Agreement incorporated herein by reference, shall constitute a binding agreement between each of the Underwriters and the Company. It is understood that your acceptance of this letter on behalf of each of the Underwriters is or will be pursuant to the authority set forth in a form of Agreement among Underwriters, the form of which shall be submitted to the Company for examination upon request, but without warranty on the part of the Representatives as to the authority of the signers thereof.

Very truly yours,

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By:

Name:


Title:

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Accepted as of the date hereof:

[UNDERWRITERS]

BY:

By:
Name:
Title:

On behalf of each of the Underwriters

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SCHEDULE I

                                                                       PRINCIPAL
                                                                       AMOUNT OF
                                                                       DESIGNATED              PRINCIPAL
                                                                       SECURITIES              AMOUNT OF
                                                                       TO BE                   WARRANTS
                           UNDERWRITER                                 PURCHASED               TO BE PURCHASED
                           -----------                                 ---------               -- -- ---------
[UNDERWRITER].......................................................   $                       $
[UNDERWRITER].......................................................
[UNDERWRITER].......................................................

                  Total.............................................
                                                                       ----------------        ----------------
                                                                       $                       $
                                                                       ================        ================

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SCHEDULE II

TITLE OF DESIGNATED SECURITIES:

[ %] [Floating Rate] [Zero Coupon] [Notes]

[Debentures] due ,

[TITLE OF ATTACHED WARRANTS:]

AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT:
[$ ]

PRICE TO PUBLIC:
% of the principal amount of the Designated Securities, plus accrued interest[, if any,] from [ ] to [ ][and accrued amortization
[, if any,] from [ ] to [ ]

PURCHASE PRICE BY UNDERWRITERS:
% of the principal amount of the Designated Securities, plus accrued interest from [ ] to [ ][and accrued amortization
[, if any,] from [ ] to [ ]

FORM OF DESIGNATED SECURITIES:
[Definitive form to be made available for checking and packaging at least twenty-four hours prior to the Time of Delivery at the office of
[The Depository Trust Company or its designated custodian] [the Representatives]]

[Book-entry only form represented by one or more global securities deposited with The Depository Trust Company ("DTC") or its designated custodian, to be made available for checking by the Representatives at least twenty-four hours prior to the Time of Delivery at the office of DTC.]

SPECIFIED FUNDS FOR PAYMENT OF PURCHASE PRICE:
Federal (same day) funds

TIME OF DELIVERY:
[ ] a.m. (New York City time), [ ], 200[ ]

INDENTURE:
Indenture dated [ ], 200[ ], between the Company and The Chase Manhattan Bank, as Trustee

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MATURITY:

INTEREST RATE:
[ %] [Zero Coupon] [See Floating Rate Provisions]

INTEREST PAYMENT DATES:
[months and dates, commencing [ ], 200[ ]

REDEMPTION PROVISIONS:

[No provisions for redemption]

[The Designated Securities may be redeemed, otherwise than through the sinking fund, in whole or in part at the option of the Company, in the amount of [$ ] or an integral multiple thereof, [on or after , at the following redemption prices (expressed in percentages of principal amount). If [redeemed on or before , %, and if] redeemed during the 12-month period beginning ,

                                REDEMPTION
YEAR                               PRICE
----                            ----------

and thereafter at 100% of their principal amount, together in each case with accrued interest to the redemption date.]

[on any interest payment date falling on or after , , at the election of the Company, at a redemption price equal to the principal amount thereof, plus accrued interest to the date of redemption.]

[Other possible redemption provisions, such as mandatory redemption upon occurrence of certain events or redemption for changes in tax law]

[Restriction on refunding]

SINKING FUND PROVISIONS:
[No sinking fund provisions]

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[The Designated Securities are entitled to the benefit of a sinking fund to retire [$ ] principal amount of Designated Securities on in each of the years through at 100% of their principal amount plus accrued interest[, together with [cumulative] [noncumulative] redemptions at the option of the Company to retire an additional [$ ] principal amount of Designated Securities in the years through at 100% of their principal amount plus accrued interest.]

[If Designated Securities are extendable debt securities, insert--

EXTENDABLE PROVISIONS:
Designated Securities are repayable on ,
[insert date and years], at the option of the holder, at their principal amount with accrued interest. The initial annual interest rate will be %, and thereafter the annual interest rate will be adjusted on , and to a rate not less than % of the effective annual interest rate on U.S. Treasury obligations with -year maturities as of the [insert date 15 days prior to maturity date] prior to such [insert maturity date].]

[If Designated Securities are floating rate debt securities, insert--

FLOATING RATE PROVISIONS:
Initial annual interest rate will be % through [and thereafter will be adjusted [monthly] [on each , , and ] [to an annual rate of % above the average rate for -year month] [securities] [certificates of deposit] issued by and [insert names of banks].] [and the annual interest rate [thereafter] [from through ] will be the interest yield equivalent of the weekly average per annum market discount rate for -month Treasury bills plus % of Interest Differential (the excess, if any, of (i) the then current weekly average per annum secondary market yield for -month certificates of deposit over (ii) the then current interest yield equivalent of the weekly average per

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annum market discount rate for -month Treasury bills);
[ from and thereafter the rate will be the then current interest yield equivalent plus % of Interest Differential].]

DEFEASANCE PROVISIONS:

CLOSING LOCATION FOR DELIVERY OF DESIGNATED SECURITIES:

ADDITIONAL CLOSING CONDITIONS:
Paragraph 7(g) of the Underwriting Agreement should be modified in the event that the Securities are denominated in, indexed to, or principal or interest are paid in, a currency other than the U.S. dollar, more than one currency or in a composite currency. The country or countries issuing such currency should be added to the banking moratorium and hostilities clauses and the following additional clause should be added to the paragraph (the entire paragraph should be restated, as amended):

"; ( ) the imposition of the proposal of exchange controls by any governmental authority in [insert the country or countries issuing such currency, currencies or composite currency]".

NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF REPRESENTATIVES:
Designated Representatives:

Address for Notices, etc.:

[OTHER TERMS]:

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Exhibit 1.2

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

[DEPOSITARY SHARES

EACH REPRESENTING ____ SHARES OF]

PREFERRED STOCK


Underwriting Agreement

[Date]

[UNDERWRITERS]
[As representatives of the several Underwriters named in Schedule 1 hereto,]
[c/o NAME]
[ADDRESS]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

From time to time The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Company"), proposes to enter into one or more Pricing Agreements (each a "Pricing Agreement") in the form of Annex I hereto, with such additions and deletions as the parties thereto may determine, and, subject to the terms and conditions stated herein and therein, to issue and sell to the firms named in Schedule I to the applicable Pricing Agreement (such firms constituting the "Underwriters" with respect to such Pricing Agreement and the securities specified therein) certain shares of its preferred stock, (liquidation preference $[ ]) (the "Shares"), which may be represented by depositary shares (the "Depositary Shares")* deposited against delivery of Depositary Receipts (the "Depositary Receipts") evidencing the Depositary Shares which are to be issued by the depositary specified in Schedule II to such Pricing Agreement (the "Depositary"), under a deposit agreement, dated the date specified in Schedule II to such Pricing Agreement, among the Company, the Depositary and the holders from time to time of the Depositary Receipts issued thereunder. Each Depositary Share will represent beneficial ownership of the fraction of a share of Preferred Stock, as specified in Schedule II to such

* As an alternative to this formulation, if depositary shares are not being offered and sold, all references to depositary shares could be deleted.


Pricing Agreement. The shares of Preferred Stock or the Depositary Shares representing such shares specified in such Pricing Agreement, as the case may be, are referred to as the "Firm Shares" with respect to such Pricing Agreement and the shares of Preferred Stock represented by such Pricing Agreement are referred to as the shares of "Designated Preferred Stock" with respect to such Pricing Agreement.

If specified in such Pricing Agreement, the Company may grant the Underwriters the right to purchase at their election an additional number of shares of Preferred Stock or Depositary Shares, as the case may be, specified as provided in such Pricing Agreement as provided in Section 3 hereof (the "Optional Shares"). The Firm Shares and the Optional Shares, if any, which the Underwriters elect to purchase pursuant to Section 3 hereof are herein collectively referred to as the "Designated Shares". The Designated Preferred Stock may be convertible into shares of common stock, without par value, of the Company (the "Stock"), as specified in Schedule II to such Pricing Agreement. The securities so specified, if any, are referred to in such Pricing Agreement as the Designated Shares with respect to such Pricing Agreement.

The terms and rights of any particular issuance of Designated Shares shall be as specified in the Pricing Agreement relating thereto.

1. Particular sales of Designated Shares may be made from time to time to the Underwriters of such Shares, for whom the firms designated as representatives of the Underwriters of such Shares in the Pricing Agreement relating thereto will act as representatives (the "Representatives"). The term "Representatives" also refers to a single firm acting as sole representative of the Underwriters and to an Underwriter or Underwriters who act without any firm being designated as its or their representatives. This Underwriting Agreement shall not be construed as an obligation of the Company to sell any of the Shares or as an obligation of any of the Underwriters to purchase the Shares. The obligation of the Company to issue and sell any of the Shares and the obligation of any of the Underwriters to purchase any of the Shares shall be evidenced by the Pricing Agreement with respect to the Designated Shares specified therein. Each Pricing

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Agreement shall specify the aggregate principal amount of such Designated Shares, the maximum number of Optional Shares, if any, the initial public offering price of such Firm and Optional Shares, [the manner of determining such price, the terms of the Designated Shares, including the terms on which and terms of the securities into which the Designated Shares will be convertible or exchangeable, whether the Designated Shares will be represented by Depositary Shares, the name of the Depositary and the date of the Deposit Agreement,] the purchase price to the Underwriters of such Designated Shares, the names of the Underwriters of such Designated Shares, the names of the Representatives of such Underwriters and the principal amount of such Designated Shares to be purchased by each Underwriter and shall set forth the date, time and manner of delivery of such Firm and Optional Shares and payment therefor. The Pricing Agreement shall also specify (to the extent not set forth in the registration statement and prospectus with respect thereto) the terms of such Designated Shares. A Pricing Agreement shall be in the form of an executed writing (which may be in counterparts), and may be evidenced by an exchange of telegraphic communications or any other rapid transmission device designed to produce a written record of communications transmitted. The obligations of the Underwriters under this Agreement and each Pricing Agreement shall be several and not joint.

2. The Company represents and warrants to, and agrees with, each of the Underwriters that:

(a) A registration statement on Form S-3 (File No. o) (the "Initial Registration Statement") in respect of the Shares has been filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission (the "Commission"); the Initial Registration Statement and any post-effective amendment thereto, each in the form heretofore delivered or to be delivered to the Representatives and, excluding exhibits to the Initial Registration Statement, but including all documents incorporated by reference in the prospectus included in the latest registration statement, to the Representatives for each of the other Underwriters, have been declared effective by the Commission in such form; other than a registration statement, if any, increasing the size of the offering (a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement"), filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933,

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as amended (the "Act"), which became effective upon filing, no other document with respect to the Initial Registration Statement or documents incorporated by reference therein has heretofore been filed or transmitted for filing with the Commission (other than prospectuses filed pursuant to Rule 424(b) of the rules and regulations of the Commission under the Act, each in the form heretofore delivered to the Representatives); and no stop order suspending the effectiveness of any Initial Registration Statement, any post-effective amendment thereto, or the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, has been issued and no proceeding for that purpose has been initiated or threatened by the Commission (any preliminary prospectus included in the Initial Registration Statement or filed with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(a) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Act"), is hereinafter called a "Preliminary Prospectus"); the various parts of the Initial Registration Statement, any post-effective amendment thereto, and the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, including all exhibits thereto and the documents incorporated by reference in the prospectus contained in the Initial Registration Statement, at the time such part of the Initial Registration Statements became effective but excluding Form T-l, each as amended at the time such part of the Initial Registration Statements became effective or such part of the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, became or hereafter becomes effective, are hereinafter called the "Registration Statement"; the prospectus relating to the Shares, in the form in which it has most recently been filed, or transmitted for filing, with the Commission on or prior to the date of this Agreement, being hereinafter called the "Prospectus"; any reference herein to any Preliminary Prospectus or the Prospectus shall be deemed to refer to and include the documents incorporated by reference therein pursuant to the applicable form under the Act, as of the date of such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be; any reference to any amendment or supplement to any Preliminary Prospectus or the Prospectus shall be deemed to refer to and include any documents filed after the date of such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be, under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the "Exchange Act"), and incorporated by reference in such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be; any reference to any amendment to the

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Initial Registration Statement shall be deemed to refer to and include any annual report of the Company filed pursuant to Sections 13(a) or 15(d) of the Exchange Act after the effective date of the Initial Registration Statement that is incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement; and any reference to the Prospectus as amended or supplemented shall be deemed to refer to and include the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the applicable Designated Shares to be sold pursuant to this Agreement, in the form filed or transmitted for filing with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(b) under the Act and in accordance with Section 5(a) hereof (including any documents incorporated by reference therein as of the date of such filing);

(b) The documents incorporated by reference in the Prospectus, when they became effective or were filed with the Commission, as the case may be, conformed in all material respects to the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder, and none of such documents contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; and any further documents so filed and incorporated by reference in the Prospectus or any further amendment or supplement thereto, when such documents become effective or are filed with the Commission, as the case may be, will conform in all material respects to the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder and will not contain an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; provided, however, that this representation and warranty shall not apply to any statements or omissions made in reliance upon and in conformity with information furnished in writing to the Company by an Underwriter of Designated Shares through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented to relate to a particular issuance of Shares;

(c) The Registration Statement and the Prospectus conform, and any further amendments or supplements to the Registration Statement or the Prospectus will conform, in all material respects to the requirements

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of the Act and the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended (the "Trust Indenture Act") and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder and do not and will not, as of the applicable effective date as to the Registration Statement and any amendment thereto and as of the applicable filing date as to the Prospectus and any amendment or supplement thereto, contain an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; provided, however, that this representation and warranty shall not apply to any statements or omissions made in reliance upon and in conformity with information furnished in writing to the Company by an Underwriter of Designated Shares through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented to relate to a particular issuance of Shares;

(d) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries has sustained since the date of the latest audited financial statements included or incorporated by reference in the Prospectus any direct loss or interference with its business from fire, explosion, flood or other calamity, whether or not covered by insurance, or from any labor dispute or court or governmental action, order or decree, which is material to the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus; and, since the respective dates as of which information is given in the Registration Statement and the Prospectus, there has not been any change in the capital stock or long-term debt of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole (other than any decrease in the capital stock resulting from purchases under the Company's Stock Repurchase Program and any increase resulting from the exercise of stock options or the issuance of restricted shares under the Company's stock incentive and employee compensation plans, or the conversion of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock) or any material adverse change, or any development involving a prospective material adverse change, in or affecting the general affairs, management, financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus;

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(e) The Company has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of the State of Minnesota, with power and authority (corporate and other) to own its properties and conduct its business as described in the Prospectus, and has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each other jurisdiction in which it owns or leases properties, or conducts any business, so as to require such qualification, and is not subject to any material liability or disability by reason of the failure to be so qualified in any such jurisdiction; and each of the Company's principal subsidiaries (hereinafter called "Principal Subsidiaries"), namely St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and The John Nuveen Company, has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of its jurisdiction of incorporation and has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each other jurisdiction in which it owns or leases properties, or conducts any business, so as to require such qualification;

(f) The Company has an authorized capitalization as set forth in the Prospectus, and all of the issued shares of capital stock of the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued and are fully paid and non-assessable; the shares of Stock initially issuable upon conversion of the Shares have been duly and validly authorized and reserved for issuance and, when issued and delivered in accordance with the provisions of the Shares, will be duly and validly issued, fully paid and non-assessable and will conform to the description of the Stock contained in the Prospectus; all of the issued shares of capital stock of each of St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and The John Nuveen Company held directly or indirectly by the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued, are fully paid and non-assessable and (except as disclosed in the Registration Statement) all shares of the capital stock of such subsidiaries are owned directly or indirectly by the Company, free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, equities or claims;

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(g) The Shares and the Depositary Shares have been duly authorized by the Company, and, when Firm Shares are issued and delivered pursuant to this Agreement and the Pricing Agreement with respect to such Designated Shares and, in the case of any Optional Shares, pursuant to the Overallotment Options (as defined in Section 3 hereof)with respect to such Shares, such Designated Shares will be duly executed, authenticated, issued and delivered and will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company entitled to the benefits provided by the Indenture, the Indenture has been duly authorized and duly qualified under the Trust Indenture Act and, at the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares (as defined in Section 4 hereof), the Indenture will constitute a valid and legally binding instrument, enforceable in accordance with its terms, subject, as to enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization and other laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles; and the Indenture conforms, and the Designated Shares will conform, to the descriptions thereof contained in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented with respect to such Designated Shares;

(h) The issue and sale of the Shares and the Depositary Shares and the compliance by the Company with all of the provisions of the Shares, this Agreement, any Pricing Agreement, each Overallotment Option and the Deposit Agreement, if any, and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or by which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is bound or to which any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is subject, nor will such action result in any violation of the provisions of the Restated Articles of Incorporation, as amended, or the By-laws, as amended, of the Company or any statute or any order, rule or regulation of any court or governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Company or any of its subsidiaries or any of their properties; and no consent, approval, authorization, order, registration or qualification of or with any such court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Shares or the

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consummation by the Company of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement or any Pricing Agreement or any Overallotment Option, or the Deposit Agreement, except such as have been, or will have been prior to the Time of Delivery, obtained under the Act with respect to the Shares and the shares of Stock issuable upon conversion of Shares, and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Shares by the Underwriters;

(i) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries is in violation of its organizational documents or in default in the performance or observance of any material obligation, agreement, covenant or condition contained in any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement, lease or other agreement or instrument to which it is a party or by which it or any of its properties is or may be bound;

(j) The statements set forth in the Prospectus under the captions "Description of Preferred Stock We May Offer" and the "Description of Depositary Shares We May Offer", insofar as they purport to constitute a summary of the terms of the Shares therein described, and, subject to the limitations set forth therein, under the caption "United States Taxation", and under the captions "Plan of Distribution" and "Underwriting" insofar as they purport to describe the provisions of the laws and documents referred to therein, are accurate, complete and fair;

(k) Other than as set forth in the Prospectus, and other than litigation (none of which is reasonably likely to be material) incidental to the kinds of business conducted by the Company and its subsidiaries, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party, or of which any property of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is the subject, which, if determined adversely to the Company or any of its subsidiaries, would individually or in the aggregate (after giving effect to any applicable insurance, reinsurance or reserves therefor) have a material adverse effect on the current or future consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole; and, to the best of the Company's knowledge, no such proceedings are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

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(l) The Company is not and, after giving effect to each offering and sale of the Shares will not be, an "investment company" or an entity "controlled" by an "investment company", as such terms are defined in the Investment Company Act of 1940, as amended (the "Investment Company Act");

(m) Immediately after any sale of Shares by the Company hereunder or under any Pricing Agreement, the aggregate amount of Shares which shall have been issued and sold by the Company hereunder or under any Pricing Agreement and of any debt securities of the Company (other than such securities) that shall have been issued and sold pursuant to the registration statement will not exceed the amount of debt securities registered under the registration statement; and

(n) (A) KPMG LLP, who have certified certain financial statements of the Company and its subsidiaries, are independent public accountants as required by the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder; and (B) Ernst & Young LLP, who have certified certain financial statements of former USF&G Corporation and its subsidiaries, are independent public accountants as required by the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder.

3. Upon the execution of the Pricing Agreement applicable to any Designated Shares and authorization by the Representatives of the release of Firm Shares, the several Underwriters propose to offer the Firm Shares for sale upon the terms and conditions set forth in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented. The Company may specify in the Pricing Agreement applicable to any Designated Shares that the Company thereby grants to the Underwriters the right (an "Overallotment Option") to purchase at their election up to the number of Optional Shares set forth in such Pricing Agreement, on the terms set forth in the paragraph above, for the sole purpose of covering over-allotments in the sale of the Firm Shares. Any such election to purchase Optional Shares may be exercised by written notice from the Representatives to the Company, given within a period specified in the Pricing

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Agreement, setting forth the aggregate number of Optional Shares to be purchased and the date on which such Optional Shares are to be delivered, as determined by the Representatives but in no event earlier than the First Time of Delivery (as defined in Section 4 hereof) or, unless the Representatives and the Company otherwise agree in writing, earlier than or later than the respective number of business days after the date of such notice set forth in such Pricing Agreement. The number of Optional Shares to be added to the number of Firm Shares to be purchased by each Underwriter as set forth in Schedule I to the Pricing Agreement applicable to such Designated Shares shall be, in each case, the number of Optional Shares which the Company has been advised by the Representatives have been attributed to such Underwriter; provided that, if the Company has not been so advised, the number of Optional Shares to be so added shall be, in each case, that proportion of Optional Shares which the number of Firm Shares to be purchased by such Underwriter under such Pricing Agreement bears to the aggregate number of Firm Shares (rounded as the Representatives may determine to the nearest 100 shares). The total number of Designated Shares to be purchased by all the Underwriters pursuant to such Pricing Agreement shall be the aggregate number of Firm Shares set forth in Schedule I to such Pricing Agreement plus the aggregate number of Optional Shares which the Underwriters elect to purchase.

4. The Firm Shares and the Optional Shares to be purchased by each Underwriter pursuant to the Pricing Agreement relating thereto, in definitive form to the extent practicable, and in such authorized denominations and registered in such names as the Representatives may request upon at least forty-eight hours' prior notice to the Company, shall be delivered by or on behalf of the Company to the Representatives for the account of such Underwriter, against payment by such Underwriter or on its behalf of the purchase price therefor by wire transfer of Federal (same-day) funds to the account specified by the Company to the Representatives at least forty-eight hours in advance; (i) with respect to Firm Shares, all in the manner and at the place and time and date specified in such Pricing Agreement or at such other place and time and date as the Representatives and the Company may agree upon in writing, such time and date being herein called the "First Time of Delivery" and
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Optional Shares, if any, in the manner and at the time and date as the Representatives in the written notice given by the Representatives of the Underwriters' election to purchase such Optional Shares, or at such other time and date as the Representatives and the Company may agree upon in writing, such time and date, if not the First Time of Delivery, herein called the "Second Time of Delivery". Each such time and date for delivery is herein called a "Time of Delivery".

5. The Company agrees with each of the Underwriters of any Designated Shares:

(a) To prepare the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the applicable Designated Shares in a form approved by the Representatives and to file such Prospectus pursuant to Rule 424(b) under the Act not later than the Commission's close of business on the second business day following the execution and delivery of the Pricing Agreement relating to the applicable Designated Shares or, if applicable, such earlier time as may be required by Rule 424(b); to make no further amendment or any supplement to the Registration Statement or Prospectus as amended or supplemented after the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to such Shares and prior to the Time of Delivery for such Shares which shall be disapproved by the Representatives for such Shares promptly after reasonable notice thereof; to advise the Representatives promptly of any such amendment or supplement after such Time of Delivery and furnish the Representatives with copies thereof; to file promptly all reports and any definitive proxy or information statements required to be filed by the Company with the Commission pursuant to Sections 13(a), 13(c), 14 or 15(d) of the Exchange Act for so long as the delivery of a prospectus is required in connection with the offering or sale of such Shares, and during such same period to advise the Representatives, promptly after it receives notice thereof, of the time when any amendment to the Registration Statement has been filed or becomes effective or any supplement to the Prospectus or any amended Prospectus has been filed with the Commission, of the issuance by the Commission of any stop order or of any order preventing or suspending the use of any prospectus relating to the Shares, of the suspension of the qualification of such Shares or the shares of Stock, if any, issuable upon conversion of the Shares, for offering

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or sale in any jurisdiction, of the initiation or threatening of any proceeding for any such purpose, or of any request by the Commission for the amending or supplementing of the Registration Statement or Prospectus or for additional information; and, in the event of the issuance of any such stop order or of any such order preventing or suspending the use of any prospectus relating to the Shares or suspending any such qualification, to promptly use its best efforts to obtain the withdrawal of such order;

(b) Promptly from time to time to take such action as the Representatives may reasonably request to qualify such Shares or the shares of Stock, if any, issuable upon conversion of the Shares, for offering and sale under the securities laws of such jurisdictions as the Representatives may request and to comply with such laws so as to permit the continuance of sales and dealings therein in such jurisdictions for as long as may be necessary to complete the distribution of such Shares, provided that in connection therewith the Company shall not be required to qualify as a foreign corporation or to file a general consent to service of process in any jurisdiction;

(c) To furnish the Representatives with copies of the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in such quantities as the Representatives may from time to time reasonably request, and, if the delivery of a prospectus is required at any time in connection with the offering or sale of the Shares or the shares of Stock, if any, issuable upon conversion of the Shares, and if at such time any event shall have occurred as a result of which the Prospectus as then amended or supplemented would include an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state any material fact necessary in order to make the statements therein, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made when such Prospectus is delivered, not misleading, or, if for any other reason it shall be necessary during such same period to amend or supplement the Prospectus or to file under the Exchange Act any document incorporated by reference in the Prospectus in order to comply with the Act, the Exchange Act or the Trust Indenture Act, to notify the Representatives and upon their request to file such document and to prepare and furnish without charge to each Underwriter and to any dealer in securities as many copies as the Representatives may from

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time to time reasonably request of an amended Prospectus or a supplement to the Prospectus which will correct such statement or omission or effect such compliance;

(d) To make generally available to its security holders as soon as practicable, but in any event not later than eighteen months after the effective date of the Registration Statement (as defined in Rule 158(c) under the Act), an earnings statement of the Company and its subsidiaries (which need not be audited) complying with Section 11(a) of the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder (including at the option of the Company Rule 158);

(e) During the period beginning from the date of the Pricing Agreement for such Designated Shares and continuing to and including the earlier of (i) the termination of trading restrictions for such Designated Shares, as notified to the Company by the Representatives and (ii) the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares, not to offer, sell, contract to sell or otherwise dispose of any securities of the Company [that are substantially similar to the Designated Shares, including but not limited to any securities that are convertible into exchangeable for, or that represent the right to receive Stock or any such substantially similar securities,] without the prior written consent of the Representatives; and

(f) If the Company elects to rely upon Rule 462(b), the Company shall file a Rule 462(b) Registration Statement with the Commission in compliance with Rule 462(b) by 10:00 P.M., Washington, D.C. time, on the date of this Agreement, and the Company shall at the time of filing either pay to the Commission the filing fee for the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement or give irrevocable instructions for the payment of such fee pursuant to Rule 111(b) under the Act.

6. The Company covenants and agrees with the several Underwriters that the Company will pay or cause to be paid the following: (i) the fees, disbursements and expenses of the Company's counsel and accountants in connection with the registration of the Shares or the shares of Stock, if any, issuable upon conversion of the Shares, under the Act and all other expenses in connection with the preparation, printing and filing of the

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Registration Statement, any Preliminary Prospectus and the Prospectus and amendments and supplements thereto and the mailing and delivering of copies thereof to the Underwriters and dealers; (ii) the cost of printing or producing any Agreement among Underwriters, this Agreement, any Pricing Agreement, any Indenture, the Deposit Agreement, any Blue Sky and Legal Investment Memoranda, closing documents (including compilations thereof) and any other documents in connection with the offering, purchase, sale and delivery of the Shares; (iii) all expenses in connection with the qualification of the Shares or the shares of Stock issuable upon conversion of the Shares, for offering and sale under state securities laws as provided in Section 5(b) hereof, including the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Underwriters in connection with such qualification and in connection with the Blue Sky and Legal Investment Surveys;
(iv) any fees charged by securities rating services for rating the Shares; (v) any filing fees incident to, and the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Underwriters in connection with, any required review by the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. of the terms of the sale of the Shares; (vi) the cost of preparing the Shares; (vii) the fees and expenses of any Trustee and any agent of any Trustee and the fees and disbursements of counsel for any Trustee in connection with listing the Shares and the Stock; (viii) [the cost of preparing certificates for the Shares; and (ix) the cost and charges of any transfer agent or registrar or dividend disbursing agent and] (x) all other costs and expenses incident to the performance of its obligations hereunder which are not otherwise specifically provided for in this Section. It is understood, however, that, except as provided in this Section, and Sections 8 and 11 hereof, the Underwriters will pay all of their own costs and expenses, including the fees of their counsel, transfer taxes on resale of any of the Shares by them, and any advertising expenses connected with any offers they may make.

7. The obligations of the Underwriters of any Designated Shares under the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Shares shall be subject, in the discretion of the Representatives, to the condition that all representations and warranties and other statements of the Company in or incorporated by reference in the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Shares are, at and as

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of the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares, true and correct, the condition that the Company shall have performed all of its obligations hereunder theretofore to be performed, and the following additional conditions:

(a) The Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the applicable Designated Shares shall have been filed with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(b) within the applicable time period prescribed for such filing by the rules and regulations under the Act and in accordance with Section 5(a) hereof; if the Company has elected to rely upon Rule 462(b), the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement shall have become effective by 10:00 P.M., Washington, D.C. time, on the date of this Agreement; no stop order suspending the effectiveness of the Registration Statement or any part thereof shall have been issued and no proceeding for that purpose shall have been initiated or threatened by the Commission; and all requests for additional information on the part of the Commission shall have been complied with to the Representatives' reasonable satisfaction;

(b) Sullivan & Cromwell shall have furnished to the Representatives such written opinion or opinions, dated the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares, with respect to the incorporation of the Company, the validity of the Designated Shares being delivered at such Time of Delivery, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and other related matters as the Representatives may reasonably request, and such counsel shall have received such papers and information as they may reasonably request to enable them to pass upon such matters;

(c) Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., Senior Vice President for the Company, or other counsel for the Company acceptable to the Representatives, shall have furnished to the Representatives his written opinion, dated the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares, in form and substance satisfactory to the Representatives, to the effect that:

(i) The Company has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of the State of Minnesota, with corporate power and authority to own its properties and conduct its business as described in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

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(ii) The Company has an authorized share capital as set forth in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and all of the issued shares of capital stock of the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued and are fully paid and non-assessable;

(iii) The Company has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each jurisdiction in which, in such counsel's opinion, the Company is required to be so qualified or if the Company is not so qualified in any such state or jurisdiction, the failure to so qualify would not, considering all cases in the aggregate, involve a material risk to the business, properties, financial position or results of operation of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole;

(iv) Each of the Principal Subsidiaries has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of its jurisdiction of incorporation; all of the issued shares of capital stock of each of St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and approximately 78% of the issued shares of the capital stock of The John Nuveen Company have been duly authorized and validly issued, are fully paid and non-assessable, and (except as disclosed in the Registration Statement) are owned directly or indirectly by the Company, free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, equities or claims (such counsel being entitled to rely in respect of the opinion in this clause upon opinions of local counsel and in respect of matters of fact upon certificates of officers of the Company or the Principal Subsidiaries, provided that such counsel shall state that he believes that both the Representatives and he are justified in relying upon such opinions and certificates);

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(v) To such counsel's knowledge, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or of which any property of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is the subject, other than as set forth in the Prospectus and other than litigation or proceedings (none of which is reasonably likely to be material) incident to the kinds of business conducted by the Company and its subsidiaries, which, if determined adversely to the Company or any of its subsidiaries, would individually or in the aggregate (after giving effect to any applicable insurance, reinsurance or reserves therefor) have a material adverse effect on the consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole; and, to the best of such counsel's knowledge, no such proceedings are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

(vi) This Agreement and the Pricing Agreement with respect to the Designated Shares have been duly authorized, executed and delivered by the Company;

(vii) The issue and sale of the Designated Shares being delivered at such Time of Delivery, the compliance by the Company with all of the provisions of the Designated Shares, this Agreement, the Deposit Agreement and the Pricing Agreement with respect to the Designated Shares and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under, or result in the creation or imposition of any lien, charge or encumbrance upon any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries pursuant to the terms of, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument known to such counsel to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or by which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is bound or to

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which any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is subject, nor will such actions result in any violation of the provisions of the Restated Articles of Incorporation, as amended, or By-laws, as amended, of the Company or any statute or any order, rule or regulation known to such counsel of any court or governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Company or any of its subsidiaries or any of their properties;

(viii) No consent, approval, authorization, order, registration or qualification of or with any such court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Designated Shares being delivered at such Time of Delivery or the consummation by the Company of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement, the Deposit Agreement or any applicable Pricing Agreement, except such as have been obtained under the Act and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Designated Shares or the shares of Stock issuable upon conversion of the Shares by the Underwriters;

(ix) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries is in violation of its organizational documents or in default in the performance or observance of any obligation, agreement, covenant or condition contained in any material indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement, lease or other agreement or instrument to which it is a party or by which it or any of its properties is or may be bound, except where any such default does not have or would not reasonably be expected to have a material adverse effect on the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole;

(x) The statements set forth in the Prospectus under the captions "Description of Preferred Stock We May Offer" and the "Description of Depositary Shares We May Offer", insofar as they purport to constitute a summary of the terms of the Shares therein described, and, subject to the limitations set forth therein, under the caption "United States Taxation", and under the captions "Plan of Distribution" and "Underwriting" insofar as they purport to describe the provisions of the laws and documents referred to therein, are accurate, complete and fair;

(xi) The Company is not and, after giving effect to each offering and sale of the Designated Shares will not be, an "investment company" or an entity "controlled" by an "investment company", as such terms are defined in the Investment Company Act;

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(xii) The documents incorporated by reference in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion), when they became effective or were filed with the Commission, as the case may be, complied as to form in all material respects with the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder; and such counsel has no reason to believe that any of such documents, when they became effective or were so filed, as the case may be, contained, in the case of the registration statement which became effective under the Act, an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, or, in the case of other documents which were filed under the Act or the Exchange Act with the Commission, an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact necessary in order to make the statements therein, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made when such documents were so filed, not misleading; and

(xiii) The Registration Statement and the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any further amendments and supplements thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion for the Designated Shares (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) comply as to form in all material respects with the requirements of the Act and the rules and regulations thereunder; such counsel has no reason to believe that, as of its effective date, the Registration Statement or any further amendment thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading or that, as of its date, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or any further amendment or supplement thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no

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opinion) contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact necessary to make the statements therein, in light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading or that, as of the date of such opinion, either the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or any further amendment or supplement thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contains an untrue statement of a material fact or omits to state a material fact necessary to make the statements therein, in light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading; and such counsel does not know of any amendment to the Registration Statement required to be filed or any contracts or other documents of a character required to be filed as an exhibit to the Registration Statement or required to be incorporated by reference into the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or required to be described in the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented which are not filed or incorporated by reference or described as required;

provided that in lieu of the delivery of the opinion set forth in paragraph (iv) of this Section 7(c) as to The John Nuveen Company, such counsel may cause Alan G. Berkshire, Vice President and General Counsel to The John Nuveen Company, to deliver an opinion as to such matters, dated the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares.

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(d) On the date of the Pricing Agreement for such Designated Shares and at the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares, the independent accountants of the Company who have certified the financial statements of the Company and its subsidiaries included or incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement shall have furnished to the Representatives a letter, dated the effective date of the Registration Statement or the date of the most recent report filed with the Commission containing financial statements and incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement, if the date of such report is later than such effective date, and a letter dated such Time of Delivery, respectively and, with respect to such letter dated such Time of Delivery, as to such other matters as the Representatives may reasonably request and in form and substance satisfactory to the Representatives;

(e) (i) Neither the Company nor any of its Principal Subsidiaries shall have sustained since the date of the latest audited financial statements included or incorporated by reference in the Prospectus as amended prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Shares any loss or interference with its business from fire, explosion, flood or other calamity, whether or not covered by insurance, or from any labor dispute or court or governmental action, order or decree, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus as amended prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Shares, and (ii) since the respective dates as of which information is given in the Prospectus as amended prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Shares there shall not have been any change in the capital stock or long-term debt of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole (other than any decrease in the capital stock resulting from purchases under the Company's Stock Repurchase Program and any increase in the capital stock resulting from the exercise of stock options or the issuance of restricted shares under the Company's stock incentive and employee compensation plans, or the conversion of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock) or any change, or any development involving a prospective change, in or affecting the general affairs, management, financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus as

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amended or supplemented prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relative to the Designated Shares, the effect of which, in any such case described in clause
(i) or (ii), is in the judgment of the Representatives so material and adverse as to make it impracticable or inadvisable to proceed with the public offering or the delivery of the Designated Shares on the terms and in the manner contemplated in the Prospectus as first amended relating to the Designated Shares;

(f) On or after the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Shares (i) no downgrading shall have occurred in the rating accorded the Company's debt securities or the Company's financial strength or claims paying ability by any "nationally recognized statistical rating organization," as that term is defined by the Commission for purposes of Rule 436(g)(2) under the Act and (ii) other than as disclosed in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, no such organization shall have publicly announced or otherwise given notice to the Company that it has under surveillance, review or watch, with possible negative implications, its rating of any of the Company's debt securities or the Company's financial strength or claims paying ability, or of any review for a possible change therein that does not indicate the direction of the possible change;

(g) On or after the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Shares there shall not have occurred any of the following: (i) a suspension or material limitation in trading in securities generally on the New York Stock Exchange; (ii) a suspension or material limitation in trading the Company's securities on the New York Stock Exchange; (iii) a general moratorium on commercial banking activities in New York declared by either Federal or New York State authorities or a material disruption in the commercial banking or securities settlement or clearance services in the United States; or (iv) the outbreak or escalation of hostilities involving the United States or the declaration by the United States of a national emergency or war or the occurrence of any other calamity or crisis or change in financial, political or economic conditions in the United States or elsewhere if the effect of any such event specified in this clause (iv) in the judgment of the Representatives makes it impracticable or inadvisable to proceed with the public

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offering or the delivery of the Designated Shares on the terms and in the manner contemplated in the Prospectus as first amended or supplemented relating to the Designated Shares;

(h) [The Shares at each Time of Delivery shall have been duly listed, subject to notice of issuance, on the [New York] Stock Exchange; and]

(i) The Company shall have furnished or caused to be furnished to the Representatives at the Time of Delivery for the Designated Shares a certificate or certificates of officers of the Company satisfactory to the Representatives as to the accuracy of the representations and warranties of the Company herein at and as of such Time of Delivery, as to the performance by the Company of all of its obligations hereunder to be performed at or prior to such Time of Delivery, as to the matters set forth in subsections (a) and (f) of this Section and as to such other matters as the Representatives may reasonably request.

8. (a) The Company will indemnify and hold harmless each Underwriter against any losses, claims, damages or liabilities, joint or several, to which such Underwriter may become subject, under the Act or otherwise, insofar as such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) arise out of or are based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement of a material fact contained in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Shares, or any amendment or supplement thereto, or arise out of or are based upon the omission or alleged omission to state therein a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, and will reimburse each Underwriter for any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by such Underwriter in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim as such expenses are incurred; provided, however, that the Company shall not be liable in any such case to the extent that any such loss, claim, damage or liability arises out of or is based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission made in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary

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prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Shares, or any such amendment or supplement in reliance upon and in conformity with written information furnished to the Company by any Underwriter of Designated Shares through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented relating to such Shares; and provided, further, that the Company shall not be liable to any Underwriter under the indemnity agreement in this subsection (a) with respect to any Preliminary Prospectus to the extent that any such loss, claim, damage or liability of such Underwriter results from the fact such Underwriter sold Shares to a person to whom there was not sent or given, at or prior to the written confirmation of such sale, a copy of the Prospectus (excluding documents incorporated by reference) or of the Prospectus as then amended or supplemented (excluding documents incorporated by reference) in any case where such delivery is required by the Act if the Company has previously furnished copies thereof to such Underwriter and the loss, claim, damage or liability of such Underwriter results from an untrue statement or omission of a material fact contained in the Preliminary Prospectus which was corrected in the Prospectus (or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented).

(b) Each Underwriter will indemnify and hold harmless the Company against any losses, claims, damages or liabilities to which the Company may become subject, under the Act or otherwise, insofar as such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) arise out of or are based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement of a material fact contained in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Shares, or any amendment or supplement thereto, or arise out of or are based upon the omission or alleged omission to state therein a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, in each case to the extent, but only to the extent, that such untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission was made in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating

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to the Shares, or any such amendment or supplement in reliance upon and in conformity with written information furnished to the Company by such Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use therein; and will reimburse the Company for any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by the Company in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim as such expenses are incurred.

(c) Promptly after receipt by an indemnified party under subsection (a) or (b) above of notice of the commencement of any action, such indemnified party shall, if a claim in respect thereof is to be made against the indemnifying party under such subsection, notify the indemnifying party in writing of the commencement thereof; but the omission so to notify the indemnifying party shall not relieve it from any liability which it may have to any indemnified party otherwise than under such subsection. In case any such action shall be brought against any indemnified party and it shall notify the indemnifying party of the commencement thereof, the indemnifying party shall be entitled to participate therein and, to the extent that it shall wish, jointly with any other indemnifying party similarly notified, to assume the defense thereof, with counsel satisfactory to such indemnified party (who shall not, except with the consent of the indemnified party, be counsel to the indemnifying party), and, after notice from the indemnifying party to such indemnified party of its election so to assume the defense thereof, the indemnifying party shall not be liable to such indemnified party under such subsection for any legal expenses of other counsel or any other expenses, in each case subsequently incurred by such indemnified party, in connection with the defense thereof other than reasonable costs of investigation. No indemnifying party shall, without the written consent of the indemnified party, effect the settlement or compromise of, or consent to the entry of any judgment with respect to, any pending or threatened action or claim in respect of which indemnification or contribution may be sought hereunder (whether or not the indemnified party is an actual or potential party to such action or claim) unless such settlement, compromise or judgment (i) includes an unconditional release of the indemnified party from all liability arising out of such action or claim and (ii) does not include a statement as to, or an admission of, fault, culpability or a failure to act, by or on behalf of any indemnified party.

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(d) If the indemnification provided for in this Section 8 is unavailable to or insufficient to hold harmless an indemnified party under subsection (a) or (b) above in respect of any losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) referred to therein, then each indemnifying party shall contribute to the amount paid or payable by such indemnified party as a result of such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) in such proportion as is appropriate to reflect the relative benefits received by the Company on the one hand and the Underwriters of the Designated Shares on the other from the offering of the Designated Shares to which such loss, claim, damage or liability (or action in respect thereof) relates. If, however, the allocation provided by the immediately preceding sentence is not permitted by applicable law or if the indemnified party failed to give the notice required under subsection (c) above, then each indemnifying party shall contribute to such amount paid or payable by such indemnified party in such proportion as is appropriate to reflect not only such relative benefits but also the relative fault of the Company on the one hand and the Underwriters of the Designated Shares on the other in connection with the statements or omissions which resulted in such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof), as well as any other relevant equitable considerations. The relative benefits received by the Company on the one hand and such Underwriters on the other shall be deemed to be in the same proportion as the total net proceeds from such offering (before deducting expenses) received by the Company bear to the total underwriting discounts and commissions received by such Underwriters. The relative fault shall be determined by reference to, among other things, whether the untrue or alleged untrue statement of a material fact or the omission or alleged omission to state a material fact relates to information supplied by the Company on the one hand or such Underwriters on the other and the parties' relative intent, knowledge, access to information and opportunity to correct or prevent such statement or omission. The Company and the Underwriters agree that it would not be just and equitable if contribution pursuant to this subsection (d) were determined by pro rata allocation (even if the Underwriters

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were treated as one entity for such purpose) or by any other method of allocation which does not take account of the equitable considerations referred to above in this subsection (d). The amount paid or payable by an indemnified party as a result of the losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) referred to above in this subsection (d) shall be deemed to include any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by such indemnified party in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim. Notwithstanding the provisions of this subsection (d), no Underwriter shall be required to contribute any amount in excess of the amount by which the total price at which the applicable Designated Shares underwritten by it and distributed to the public were offered to the public exceeds the amount of any damages which such Underwriter has otherwise been required to pay by reason of such untrue or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission. No person guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation (within the meaning of Section 11(f) of the Act) shall be entitled to contribution from any person who was not guilty of such fraudulent misrepresentation. The obligations of the Underwriters of Designated Shares in this subsection (d) to contribute are several in proportion to their respective underwriting obligations with respect to such Shares and not joint.

(e) The obligations of the Company under this Section 8 shall be in addition to any liability which the Company may otherwise have and shall extend, upon the same terms and conditions, to each person, if any, who controls any Underwriter within the meaning of the Act; and the obligations of the Underwriters under this Section 8 shall be in addition to any liability which the respective Underwriters may otherwise have and shall extend, upon the same terms and conditions, to each officer and director of the Company and to each person, if any, who controls the Company within the meaning of the Act.

9. (a) If any Underwriter shall default in its obligation to purchase the Firm Shares or Optional Shares which it has agreed to purchase under the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Shares, the Representatives may in their discretion arrange for themselves or another party or other parties to purchase such Firm Shares or Optional Shares, as the case may be, on the terms contained herein. If within thirty-six hours after such default by any

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Underwriter the Representatives do not arrange for the purchase of such Designated Shares, then the Company shall be entitled to a further period of thirty-six hours within which to procure another party or other parties satisfactory to the Representatives to purchase such Designated Shares on such terms. In the event that, within the respective prescribed period, the Representatives notify the Company that they have so arranged for the purchase of such Designated Shares, or the Company notifies the Representatives that it has so arranged for the purchase of such Designated Shares, the Representatives or the Company shall have the right to postpone the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares for a period of not more than seven days, in order to effect whatever changes may thereby be made necessary in the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, or in any other documents or arrangements, and the Company agrees to file promptly any amendments or supplements to the Registration Statement or the Prospectus which in the opinion of the Representatives may thereby be made necessary. The term "Underwriter" as used in this Agreement shall include any person substituted under this Section with like effect as if such person had originally been a party to the Pricing Agreement with respect to such Designated Shares.

(b) If, after giving effect to any arrangements for the purchase of the Firm Shares or Optional Shares, as the case may be, of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters by the Representatives and the Company as provided in subsection
(a) above, the aggregate principal amount of such Designated Shares which remains unpurchased does not exceed one-tenth of the aggregate principal amount of the Designated Shares, then the Company shall have the right to require each non-defaulting Underwriter to purchase the principal amount of Designated Shares which such Underwriter agreed to purchase under the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Shares and, in addition, to require each non-defaulting Underwriter to purchase its pro rata share (based on the principal amount of Designated Shares which such Underwriter agreed to purchase under such Pricing Agreement) of the Designated Shares of such defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters for which such arrangements have not been made; but nothing herein shall relieve a defaulting Underwriter from liability for its default.

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(c) If, after giving effect to any arrangements for the purchase of Firm Shares or Optional Shares, as the case may be, of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters by the Representatives and the Company as provided in subsection
(a) above, the aggregate principal amount of such Designated Shares which remains unpurchased exceeds one-tenth of the aggregate principal amount of the Designated Shares, as referred to in subsection (b) above, or if the Company shall not exercise the right described in subsection (b) above to require non-defaulting Underwriters to purchase Designated Shares of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters, then the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Shares shall thereupon terminate, without liability on the part of any non-defaulting Underwriter or the Company, except for the expenses to be borne by the Company and the Underwriters as provided in Section 6 hereof and the indemnity and contribution agreements in Section 8 hereof; but nothing herein shall relieve a defaulting Underwriter from liability for its default.

10. The respective indemnities, agreements, representations, warranties and other statements of the Company and the several Underwriters, as set forth in this Agreement or made by or on behalf of them, respectively, pursuant to this Agreement, shall remain in full force and effect, regardless of any investigation (or any statement as to the results thereof) made by or on behalf of any Underwriter or any controlling person of any Underwriter, or the Company, or any officer or director or controlling person of the Company, and shall survive delivery of and payment for the Shares.

11. If any Pricing Agreement shall be terminated pursuant to Section 9 hereof, the Company shall not then be under any liability to any Underwriter with respect to the Firm Shares or Optional Shares covered by such Pricing Agreement except as provided in Section 6 and Section 8 hereof; but, if for any other reason such Designated Shares are not delivered by or on behalf of the Company as provided herein, the Company will reimburse the Underwriters through the Representatives for all out-of-pocket expenses approved in writing by the Representatives, including fees and disbursements of counsel, reasonably incurred by the Underwriters in making preparations for the purchase, sale and delivery of such Designated Shares, but the Company shall then be under no further liability to any Underwriter with respect to such Designated Shares except as provided in Section 6 and Section 8 hereof.

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12. In all dealings hereunder, the Representatives of the Underwriters of Designated Shares shall act on behalf of each of such Underwriters, and the parties hereto shall be entitled to act and rely upon any statement, request, notice or agreement on behalf of any Underwriter made or given by such Representatives jointly or by such of the Representatives, if any, as may be designated for such purpose in the Pricing Agreement.

All statements, requests, notices and agreements hereunder shall be in writing, and if to the Underwriters shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to the address of the Representatives as set forth in the Pricing Agreement; and if to the Company shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to the address of the Company set forth in the Registration Statement: Attention: Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., Senior Vice President; provided, however, that any notice to an Underwriter pursuant to
Section 8(c) hereof shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to such Underwriter at its address set forth in its Underwriters' Questionnaire, or telex constituting such Questionnaire, which address will be supplied to the Company by the Representatives upon request. Any such statements, requests, notices or agreements shall take effect upon receipt thereof.

13. This Agreement and each Pricing Agreement shall be binding upon, and inure solely to the benefit of, the Underwriters, the Company and, to the extent provided in Section 8 and Section 10 hereof, the officers and directors of the Company and each person who controls the Company or any Underwriter, and their respective heirs, executors, administrators, successors and assigns, and no other person shall acquire or have any right under or by virtue of this Agreement or any such Pricing Agreement. No purchaser of any of the Shares from any Underwriter shall be deemed a successor or assign by reason merely of such purchase.

14. Time shall be of the essence of each Pricing Agreement. As used herein, "business day" shall mean any day when the Commission's office in Washington, D.C. is open for business.

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15. This Agreement and each Pricing Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.

16. This Agreement and each Pricing Agreement may be executed by any one or more of the parties hereto and thereto in any number of counterparts, each of which shall be deemed to be an original, but all such respective counterparts shall together constitute one and the same instrument.

If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please sign and return to us four counterparts hereof.

Very truly yours,

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By:

Name:


Title:

Accepted as of the date hereof:

[UNDERWRITERS]

BY: [REPRESENTATIVE]

By:
Name:
Title:

On behalf of each of the Underwriters

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ANNEX I

PRICING AGREEMENT

[UNDERWRITERS]
As Representatives of the several Underwriters named in Schedule I hereto,
[ADDRESS]

[DATE]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Company"), proposes, subject to the terms and conditions stated herein and in the Underwriting Agreement, dated [ ], 200[ ] (the "Underwriting Agreement"), between the Company on the one hand and [UNDERWRITERS] on the other hand, to issue and sell to the Underwriters named in Schedule I hereto (the "Underwriters") the Shares specified in Schedule II hereto (the "Designated Shares") consisting of Firm Shares and any Optional Shares the Underwriters may elect to purchase, [which are represented by depositary shares (the "Depositary Shares") deposited against delivery of Depositary Receipts (the "Depositary Receipts") evidencing the Depositary Shares which are to be issued by the depositary (the "Depositary"), under the Deposit Agreement, dated the date specified in Schedule II to this Agreement, among the Company, the Depositary and the holders from time to time of the Depositary Receipts issued hereunder. Each Depositary Share represents beneficial ownership of the fraction of a share of Preferred Stock, as specified in this Agreement]. Each of the provisions of the Underwriting Agreement is incorporated herein by reference in its entirety, and shall be deemed to be a part of this Agreement to the same extent as if such provisions had been set forth in full herein; and each of the representations and warranties set forth therein shall be deemed to have been made at and as of the date of this Pricing Agreement, except that each representation and warranty which refers to the Prospectus in Section 2 of the Underwriting Agreement shall be deemed to be a representation or warranty as of the date of the Underwriting Agreement in relation to the Prospectus (as therein defined), and also a representation and warranty as of the date of this Pricing Agreement in relation to the

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Prospectus as amended or supplemented relating to the Designated Shares which are the subject of this Pricing Agreement. Each reference to the Representatives herein and in the provisions of the Underwriting Agreement so incorporated by reference shall be deemed to refer to you. Unless otherwise defined herein, terms defined in the Underwriting Agreement are used herein as therein defined. The Representatives designated to act on behalf of the Representatives and on behalf of each of the Underwriters of the Designated Shares pursuant to Section 12 of the Underwriting Agreement and the address of the Representatives referred to in such Section 12 are set forth at the end of Schedule II hereto.

An amendment to the Registration Statement, or a supplement to the Prospectus, as the case may be, relating to the Designated Shares, in the form heretofore delivered to you is now proposed to be filed with the Commission.

Subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein and in the Underwriting Agreement incorporated herein by reference, [(a)] the Company agrees to issue and sell to each of the Underwriters, and each of the Underwriters agrees, severally and not jointly, to purchase from the Company, at the time and place and at the purchase price to the Underwriters set forth in Schedule II hereto, the principal amount of Firm Shares set forth opposite the name of such Underwriter in Schedule I hereto and,[(b) in the event and to the extent that the Underwriters shall exercise the election to purchase Optional Shares, as provided below, the Company agrees to issue and sell to each of the Underwriters, and each of the Underwriters agrees, severally and not jointly, to purchase from the Company at the purchase price to the Underwriters set forth in Schedule II hereto that portion of the number of Optional Shares as to which such election shall have been exercised].

[The Company hereby grants to each of the Underwriters the right to purchase at their election up to the number of Optional Shares set forth opposite the name of such Underwriter in Schedule I hereto on the terms referred to in the paragraph above for the sole purpose of covering overallotments in the sale of the Firm Shares. Any such election to purchase Optional Shares may be exercised by written notice from the Representatives to the Company

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given within a period of 30 calendar days after the date of this Pricing Agreement, setting forth the aggregate number of Optional Shares to be purchased and the date on which such Optional Shares are to be delivered, as determined by the Representatives, but in no event earlier than the First Time of Delivery or, unless the Representatives and the Company otherwise agree in writing, no earlier than two or later than ten business days after the date of such notice.]

If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please sign and return to us [ ] counterparts hereof [(one for the issuer and each of the Representatives plus one for each Counsel)], and upon acceptance hereof by you, on behalf of each of the Underwriters, this letter and such acceptance hereof, including the provisions of the Underwriting Agreement incorporated herein by reference, shall constitute a binding agreement between each of the Underwriters and the Company. It is understood that your acceptance of this letter on behalf of each of the Underwriters is or will be pursuant to the authority set forth in a form of Agreement among Underwriters, the form of which shall be submitted to the Company for examination upon request, but without warranty on the part of the Representatives as to the authority of the signers thereof.

Very truly yours,

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By:

Name:


Title:

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Accepted as of the date hereof:

[UNDERWRITERS]

BY:

By:
Name:
Title:

On behalf of each of the Underwriters

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SCHEDULE I

                                           PRINCIPAL        PRINCIPAL
                                           AMOUNT OF        AMOUNT OF
                                           FIRM             OPTIONAL
                                           SHARES           SHARES
                                           TO BE            TO BE
                     UNDERWRITER           PURCHASED        PURCHASED
                     -----------           ---------        ---------

[UNDERWRITER] ..........................   $                $
[UNDERWRITER] ..........................
[UNDERWRITER] ..........................

           Total .......................
                                           ---------        ---------
                                           $                $
                                           =========        =========

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SCHEDULE II

TITLE OF DESIGNATED SHARES:

[DEPOSITARY SHARES]

[Depositary] Deposit Agreement, dated [ ], 200[ ] Each Depositary Share represents [ ]shares of [Title of Securities] Convertible into [ ] shares of Stock

NUMBER OF DESIGNATED SHARES:

NUMBER OF FIRM SHARES:

MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OPTIONAL SHARES:

INITIAL OFFERING PRICE TO PUBLIC:

[$[ ] per Share] [Formula]

PURCHASE PRICE BY UNDERWRITERS:

[$[ ] per Share] [Formula]

[COMMISSION PAYABLE TO UNDERWRITERS:

$[ ] per Share in [specify same form of funds as in Specified Funds below]]

FORM OF DESIGNATED SHARES:

[Definitive form, to be made available for checking [and packaging] at least twenty-four hours prior to the Time of Delivery at the office of
[The Depository Trust Company or its designated custodian] [the Representatives]]

[Book-entry only form represented by one or more global securities deposited with The Depository Trust Company ("DTC") or its designated custodian, to be made available for checking by the Representatives at least twenty-four hours prior to the Time of Delivery at the office of DTC.]

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SPECIFIED FUNDS FOR PAYMENT OF PURCHASE PRICE:

[Federal (same day)] funds

[Describe any blackout provisions with respect to the Designated Shares]

TIME OF DELIVERY:

[ ] a.m. (New York City time),[ ], 200[ ]

CLOSING LOCATION:

NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF REPRESENTATIVES:

DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES:

ADDRESS FOR NOTICES, ETC.:

[Other Terms]

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Exhibit 1.3

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

COMMON STOCK


Underwriting Agreement

[Date]

[UNDERWRITERS]
[As representatives of the several Underwriters named in Schedule 1 hereto,]
[c/o NAME]
[ADDRESS]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

From time to time The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Company"), proposes to enter into one or more Pricing Agreements (each a "Pricing Agreement") in the form of Annex I hereto, with such additions and deletions as the parties thereto may determine, and, subject to the terms and conditions stated herein and therein, to issue and sell to the firms named in Schedule I to the applicable Pricing Agreement (such firms constituting the "Underwriters" with respect to such Pricing Agreement and the securities specified therein) certain shares of its common stock, without par value (the "Shares"), specified in Schedule II to such Pricing Agreement (with respect to such Pricing Agreement, the "Firm Shares"). If specified in such Pricing Agreement, the Company may grant to the Underwriters the right to purchase at their election an additional number of Shares, specified in such Pricing Agreement as provided in Section 3 hereof (the "Optional Shares"). The Firm Shares and the Optional Shares, if any, which the Underwriters elect to purchase pursuant to Section 3 hereof are herein collectively called the "Designated Shares".

The terms and rights of any particular issuance of Designated Shares shall be as specified in the Pricing Agreement relating thereto.


1. Particular sales of Designated Shares may be made from time to time to the Underwriters of such Shares, for whom the firms designated as representatives of the Underwriters of such Shares in the Pricing Agreement relating thereto will act as representatives (the "Representatives"). The term "Representatives" also refers to a single firm acting as sole representative of the Underwriters and to an Underwriter or Underwriters who act without any firm being designated as its or their representatives. This Underwriting Agreement shall not be construed as an obligation of the Company to sell any of the Shares or as an obligation of any of the Underwriters to purchase the Shares. The obligation of the Company to issue and sell any of the Shares and the obligation of any of the Underwriters to purchase any of the Shares shall be evidenced by the Pricing Agreement with respect to the Designated Shares specified therein. Each Pricing Agreement shall specify the aggregate principal amount of the Firm Shares, the maximum number of Optional Shares, if any, the initial public offering price of such Designated Shares, the purchase price to the Underwriters of such Designated Shares, the names of the Underwriters of such Designated Shares, the names of the Representatives of such Underwriters and the principal amount of such Designated Shares to be purchased by each Underwriter and shall set forth the date, time and manner of delivery of such Designated Shares and payment therefor. The Pricing Agreement shall also specify (to the extent not set forth in the registration statement and prospectus with respect thereto) the terms of such Designated Shares. A Pricing Agreement shall be in the form of an executed writing (which may be in counterparts), and may be evidenced by an exchange of telegraphic communications or any other rapid transmission device designed to produce a written record of communications transmitted. The obligations of the Underwriters under this Agreement and each Pricing Agreement shall be several and not joint.

2. The Company represents and warrants to, and agrees with, each of the Underwriters that:

(a) A registration statement on Form S-3 (File No. o) (the "Initial Registration Statement") in respect of the Shares has been filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission (the "Commission"); the Initial Registration Statement and any post-effective amendment thereto, each in

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the form heretofore delivered or to be delivered to the Representatives and, excluding exhibits to the Initial Registration Statement, but including all documents incorporated by reference in the prospectus included in the latest registration statement, to the Representatives for each of the other Underwriters, have been declared effective by the Commission in such form; other than a registration statement, if any, increasing the size of the offering (a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement"), filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Act"), which became effective upon filing, no other document with respect to the Initial Registration Statement or documents incorporated by reference therein has heretofore been filed or transmitted for filing with the Commission (other than prospectuses filed pursuant to Rule 424(b) of the rules and regulations of the Commission under the Act, each in the form heretofore delivered to the Representatives); and no stop order suspending the effectiveness of any Initial Registration Statement, any post-effective amendment thereto, or the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, has been issued and no proceeding for that purpose has been initiated or threatened by the Commission (any preliminary prospectus included in the Initial Registration Statement or filed with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(a) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Act"), is hereinafter called a "Preliminary Prospectus"); the various parts of the Initial Registration Statement, any post-effective amendment thereto, and the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, including all exhibits thereto and the documents incorporated by reference in the prospectus contained in the Initial Registration Statement, at the time such part of the Initial Registration Statements became effective but excluding Form T-l, each as amended at the time such part of the Initial Registration Statements became effective or such part of the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, became or hereafter becomes effective, are hereinafter called the "Registration Statement"; the prospectus relating to the Shares, in the form in which it has most recently been filed, or transmitted for filing, with the Commission on or prior to the date of this Agreement, being hereinafter called the "Prospectus"; any reference herein to any Preliminary Prospectus or the Prospectus shall be deemed to refer to and include the documents incorporated by reference therein

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pursuant to the applicable form under the Act, as of the date of such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be; any reference to any amendment or supplement to any Preliminary Prospectus or the Prospectus shall be deemed to refer to and include any documents filed after the date of such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be, under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the "Exchange Act"), and incorporated by reference in such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be; any reference to any amendment to the Initial Registration Statement shall be deemed to refer to and include any annual report of the Company filed pursuant to Sections 13(a) or 15(d) of the Exchange Act after the effective date of the Initial Registration Statement that is incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement; and any reference to the Prospectus as amended or supplemented shall be deemed to refer to and include the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the applicable Designated Shares to be sold pursuant to this Agreement, in the form filed or transmitted for filing with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(b) under the Act and in accordance with Section 5(a) hereof (including any documents incorporated by reference therein as of the date of such filing);

(b) The documents incorporated by reference in the Prospectus, when they became effective or were filed with the Commission, as the case may be, conformed in all material respects to the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder, and none of such documents contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; and any further documents so filed and incorporated by reference in the Prospectus or any further amendment or supplement thereto, when such documents become effective or are filed with the Commission, as the case may be, will conform in all material respects to the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder and will not contain an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; provided, however, that this representation and warranty shall not apply to any statements or omissions made in

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reliance upon and in conformity with information furnished in writing to the Company by an Underwriter of Designated Shares through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented to relate to a particular issuance of Shares;

(c) The Registration Statement and the Prospectus conform, and any further amendments or supplements to the Registration Statement or the Prospectus will conform, in all material respects to the requirements of the Act and the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended (the "Trust Indenture Act") and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder and do not and will not, as of the applicable effective date as to the Registration Statement and any amendment thereto and as of the applicable filing date as to the Prospectus and any amendment or supplement thereto, contain an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; provided, however, that this representation and warranty shall not apply to any statements or omissions made in reliance upon and in conformity with information furnished in writing to the Company by an Underwriter of Designated Shares through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented to relate to a particular issuance of Shares;

(d) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries has sustained since the date of the latest audited financial statements included or incorporated by reference in the Prospectus any direct loss or interference with its business from fire, explosion, flood or other calamity, whether or not covered by insurance, or from any labor dispute or court or governmental action, order or decree, which is material to the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus; and, since the respective dates as of which information is given in the Registration Statement and the Prospectus, there has not been any change in the capital stock or long-term debt of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole (other than any decrease in the capital stock resulting from purchases under the Company's Stock Repurchase Program and any increase resulting from the exercise of stock options or the issuance of restricted shares under the Company's

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stock incentive and employee compensation plans, or the conversion of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock) or any material adverse change, or any development involving a prospective material adverse change, in or affecting the general affairs, management, financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus;

(e) The Company has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of the State of Minnesota, with power and authority (corporate and other) to own its properties and conduct its business as described in the Prospectus, and has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each other jurisdiction in which it owns or leases properties, or conducts any business, so as to require such qualification, and is not subject to any material liability or disability by reason of the failure to be so qualified in any such jurisdiction; and each of the Company's principal subsidiaries (hereinafter called "Principal Subsidiaries"), namely St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and The John Nuveen Company, has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of its jurisdiction of incorporation and has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each other jurisdiction in which it owns or leases properties, or conducts any business, so as to require such qualification;

(f) The Company has an authorized capitalization as set forth in the Prospectus, and all of the issued shares of capital stock of the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued and are fully paid and non-assessable; all of the issued shares of capital stock of each of St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and The John Nuveen Company held directly or indirectly by the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued, are fully paid and non-assessable and (except as disclosed in the Registration Statement) all shares of the capital stock of such subsidiaries are owned directly or indirectly by the

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Company, free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, equities or claims;

(g) The Shares have been duly authorized by the Company, and, when Designated Shares are issued and delivered pursuant to this Agreement and the Pricing Agreement with respect to such Designated Shares, and, in the case of any Optional Shares, pursuant to Overallotment Options (as defined in Section 3 hereof) with respect to such Shares, such Designated Shares will have been duly executed, authenticated, issued and delivered and will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company entitled to the benefits provided by the Indenture, the Indenture has been duly authorized and duly qualified under the Trust Indenture Act and, at the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares (as defined in Section 4 hereof), the Indenture will constitute a valid and legally binding instrument, enforceable in accordance with its terms, subject, as to enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization and other laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles; and the Indenture conforms, and the Designated Shares will conform, to the descriptions thereof contained in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented with respect to such Designated Shares;

(h) The issue and sale of the Shares and the compliance by the Company with all of the provisions of the Shares, this Agreement, any Pricing Agreement and each Overallotment Option and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or by which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is bound or to which any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is subject, nor will such action result in any violation of the provisions of the Restated Articles of Incorporation, as amended, or the By-laws, as amended, of the Company or any statute or any order, rule or regulation of any court or governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Company or any of its subsidiaries or any of their properties; and no consent, approval, authorization, order, registration or qualification of or

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with any such court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Shares or the consummation by the Company of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement, or any Pricing Agreement, any Overallotment Option except such as have been, or will have been prior to the Time of Delivery, obtained under the Act and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Shares by the Underwriters;

(i) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries is in violation of its organizational documents or in default in the performance or observance of any material obligation, agreement, covenant or condition contained in any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement, lease or other agreement or instrument to which it is a party or by which it or any of its properties is or may be bound;

(j) The statements set forth in the Prospectus under the captions "Description of Our Common Stock", insofar as they purport to constitute a summary of the terms of the Shares therein described, and, subject to the limitations set forth therein, under the caption "United States Taxation", and under the captions "Plan of Distribution" and "Underwriting" insofar as they purport to describe the provisions of the laws and documents referred to therein, are accurate, complete and fair;

(k) Other than as set forth in the Prospectus, and other than litigation (none of which is reasonably likely to be material) incidental to the kinds of business conducted by the Company and its subsidiaries, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party, or of which any property of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is the subject, which, if determined adversely to the Company or any of its subsidiaries, would individually or in the aggregate (after giving effect to any applicable insurance, reinsurance or reserves therefor) have a material adverse effect on the current or future consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole; and, to the best of the Company's knowledge, no such proceedings

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are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

(l) The Company is not and, after giving effect to each offering and sale of the Shares will not be, an "investment company" or an entity "controlled" by an "investment company", as such terms are defined in the Investment Company Act of 1940, as amended (the "Investment Company Act");

(m) Immediately after any sale of Shares by the Company hereunder or under any Pricing Agreement, the aggregate amount of Shares which shall have been issued and sold by the Company hereunder or under any Pricing Agreement and of any debt securities of the Company (other than such Shares) that shall have been issued and sold pursuant to the registration statement will not exceed the amount of debt securities registered under the registration statement; and

(n) (A) KPMG LLP, who have certified certain financial statements of the Company and its subsidiaries, are independent public accountants as required by the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder; and (B) Ernst & Young LLP, who have certified certain financial statements of former USF&G Corporation and its subsidiaries, are independent public accountants as required by the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder.

3. Upon the execution of the Pricing Agreement applicable to any Designated Shares and authorization by the Representatives of the release of Firm Shares, the several Underwriters propose to offer the Firm Shares for sale upon the terms and conditions set forth in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented. The Company may specify in the Pricing Agreement applicable to any Designated Shares that the Company thereby grants to the Underwriters the right (an "Overallotment Option") to purchase at their election up to the number of Optional Shares set forth in such Pricing Agreement, on the terms set forth in the paragraph above, for the sole purpose of covering over-allotments in the sale of the Firm Shares. Any such election to purchase Optional Shares may be exercised by written notice from the Representatives to the Company, given within a period specified in the Pricing

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Agreement, setting forth the aggregate number of Optional Shares to be purchased and the date on which such Optional Shares are to be delivered, as determined by the Representatives but in no event earlier than the First Time of Delivery (as defined in Section 4 hereof) or, unless the Representatives and the Company otherwise agree in writing, earlier than or later than the respective number of business days after the date of such notice set forth in such Pricing Agreement. The number of Optional Shares to be added to the number of Firm Shares to be purchased by each Underwriter as set forth in Schedule I to the Pricing Agreement applicable to such Designated Shares shall be, in each case, the number of Optional Shares which the Company has been advised by the Representatives have been attributed to such Underwriter; provided that, if the Company has not been so advised, the number of Optional Shares to be so added shall be, in each case, that proportion of Optional Shares which the number of Firm Shares to be purchased by such Underwriter under such Pricing Agreement bears to the aggregate number of Firm Shares (rounded as the Representatives may determine to the nearest 100 shares). The total number of Designated Shares to be purchased by all the Underwriters pursuant to such Pricing Agreement shall be the aggregate number of Firm Shares set forth in Schedule I to such Pricing Agreement plus the aggregate number of Optional Shares which the Underwriters elect to purchase.

4. The Firm Shares and the Optional Shares to be purchased by each Underwriter pursuant to the Pricing Agreement relating thereto, in definitive form to the extent practicable, and in such authorized denominations and registered in such names as the Representatives may request upon at least forty-eight hours' prior notice to the Company, shall be delivered by or on behalf of the Company to the Representatives for the account of such Underwriter, against payment by such Underwriter or on its behalf of the purchase price therefor by wire transfer of Federal (same-day) funds to the account specified by the Company to the Representatives at least forty-eight hours in advance; (i) with respect to Firm Shares, all in the manner and at the place and time and date specified in such Pricing Agreement or at such other place and time and date as the Representatives and the Company may agree upon in writing, such time and date being herein called the "First Time of Delivery" and
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Optional Shares, if any, in the manner and at the time and date as the Representatives in the written notice given by the Representatives of the Underwriters' election to purchase such Optional Shares, or at such other time and date as the Representatives and the Company may agree upon in writing, such time and date, if not the First Time of Delivery, herein called the "Second Time of Delivery". Each such time and date for delivery is herein called a "Time of Delivery".

5. The Company agrees with each of the Underwriters of any Designated Shares:

(a) To prepare the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the applicable Designated Shares in a form approved by the Representatives and to file such Prospectus pursuant to Rule 424(b) under the Act not later than the Commission's close of business on the second business day following the execution and delivery of the Pricing Agreement relating to the applicable Designated Shares or, if applicable, such earlier time as may be required by Rule 424(b); to make no further amendment or any supplement to the Registration Statement or Prospectus as amended or supplemented after the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to such Shares and prior to the Time of Delivery for such Shares which shall be disapproved by the Representatives for such Shares promptly after reasonable notice thereof; to advise the Representatives promptly of any such amendment or supplement after such Time of Delivery and furnish the Representatives with copies thereof; to file promptly all reports and any definitive proxy or information statements required to be filed by the Company with the Commission pursuant to Sections 13(a), 13(c), 14 or 15(d) of the Exchange Act for so long as the delivery of a prospectus is required in connection with the offering or sale of such Shares, and during such same period to advise the Representatives, promptly after it receives notice thereof, of the time when any amendment to the Registration Statement has been filed or becomes effective or any supplement to the Prospectus or any amended Prospectus has been filed with the Commission, of the issuance by the Commission of any stop order or of any order preventing or suspending the use of any prospectus relating to the Shares, of the suspension of the qualification of such Shares for offering or sale in any jurisdiction, of the initiation or threatening of any

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proceeding for any such purpose, or of any request by the Commission for the amending or supplementing of the Registration Statement or Prospectus or for additional information; and, in the event of the issuance of any such stop order or of any such order preventing or suspending the use of any prospectus relating to the Shares or suspending any such qualification, to promptly use its best efforts to obtain the withdrawal of such order;

(b) Promptly from time to time to take such action as the Representatives may reasonably request to qualify such Shares for offering and sale under the securities laws of such jurisdictions as the Representatives may request and to comply with such laws so as to permit the continuance of sales and dealings therein in such jurisdictions for as long as may be necessary to complete the distribution of such Shares, provided that in connection therewith the Company shall not be required to qualify as a foreign corporation or to file a general consent to service of process in any jurisdiction;

(c) To furnish the Representatives with copies of the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in such quantities as the Representatives may from time to time reasonably request, and, if the delivery of a prospectus is required at any time in connection with the offering or sale of the Shares and if at such time any event shall have occurred as a result of which the Prospectus as then amended or supplemented would include an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state any material fact necessary in order to make the statements therein, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made when such Prospectus is delivered, not misleading, or, if for any other reason it shall be necessary during such same period to amend or supplement the Prospectus or to file under the Exchange Act any document incorporated by reference in the Prospectus in order to comply with the Act, the Exchange Act or the Trust Indenture Act, to notify the Representatives and upon their request to file such document and to prepare and furnish without charge to each Underwriter and to any dealer in securities as many copies as the Representatives may from time to time reasonably request of an amended Prospectus or a supplement to the Prospectus which will correct such statement or omission or effect such compliance;

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(d) To make generally available to its security holders as soon as practicable, but in any event not later than eighteen months after the effective date of the Registration Statement (as defined in Rule 158(c) under the Act), an earnings statement of the Company and its subsidiaries (which need not be audited) complying with Section 11(a) of the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder (including at the option of the Company Rule 158); and

(e) During the period beginning from the date of the Pricing Agreement for such Designated Shares and continuing to and including the earlier of (i) the termination of trading restrictions for such Designated Shares, as notified to the Company by the Representatives and (ii) the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares, not to offer, sell, contract to sell or otherwise dispose of any equity securities of the Company which are substantially similar to such Designated Shares, without the prior written consent of the Representatives; and

(f) If the Company elects to rely upon Rule 462(b), the Company shall file a Rule 462(b) Registration Statement with the Commission in compliance with Rule 462(b) by 10:00 P.M., Washington, D.C. time, on the date of this Agreement, and the Company shall at the time of filing either pay to the Commission the filing fee for the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement or give irrevocable instructions for the payment of such fee pursuant to Rule 111(b) under the Act.

6. The Company covenants and agrees with the several Underwriters that the Company will pay or cause to be paid the following: (i) the fees, disbursements and expenses of the Company's counsel and accountants in connection with the registration of the Shares under the Act and all other expenses in connection with the preparation, printing and filing of the Registration Statement, any Preliminary Prospectus and the Prospectus and amendments and supplements thereto and the mailing and delivering of copies thereof to the Underwriters and dealers; (ii) the cost of printing or producing any Agreement among Underwriters, this Agreement, any Pricing Agreement, any Blue Sky and Legal Investment Memoranda, closing documents (including compilations thereof) and any other documents in connection with the offering, purchase,

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sale and delivery of the Shares; (iii) all expenses in connection with the qualification of the Shares for offering and sale under state securities laws as provided in Section 5(b) hereof, including the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Underwriters in connection with such qualification and in connection with the Blue Sky and Legal Investment Surveys; (iv) any fees charged by securities rating services for rating the Shares; (v) any filing fees incident to, and the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Underwriters in connection with, any required review by the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. of the terms of the sale of the Shares; (vi) the cost of preparing the Shares; (vii) the fees and expenses of any Trustee and any agent of any Trustee and the fees and disbursements of counsel for any Trustee in connection with any Indenture and the Shares; and (viii) all other costs and expenses incident to the performance of its obligations hereunder which are not otherwise specifically provided for in this Section. It is understood, however, that, except as provided in this Section, and Sections 8 and 11 hereof, the Underwriters will pay all of their own costs and expenses, including the fees of their counsel, transfer taxes on resale of any of the Shares by them, and any advertising expenses connected with any offers they may make.

7. The obligations of the Underwriters of any Designated Shares under the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Shares shall be subject, in the discretion of the Representatives, to the condition that all representations and warranties and other statements of the Company in or incorporated by reference in the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Shares are, at and as of the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares, true and correct, the condition that the Company shall have performed all of its obligations hereunder theretofore to be performed, and the following additional conditions:

(a) The Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the applicable Designated Shares shall have been filed with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(b) within the applicable time period prescribed for such filing by the rules and regulations under the Act and in accordance with Section 5(a) hereof; if the Company has elected to rely upon Rule 462(b), the Rule
462(b) Registration Statement shall have become effective by 10:00

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P.M., Washington, D.C. time, on the date of this Agreement; no stop order suspending the effectiveness of the Registration Statement or any part thereof shall have been issued and no proceeding for that purpose shall have been initiated or threatened by the Commission; and all requests for additional information on the part of the Commission shall have been complied with to the Representatives' reasonable satisfaction;

(b) Sullivan & Cromwell shall have furnished to the Representatives such written opinion or opinions, dated the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares, with respect to the incorporation of the Company, the Designated Shares, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and other related matters as the Representatives may reasonably request, and such counsel shall have received such papers and information as they may reasonably request to enable them to pass upon such matters;

(c) Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., Senior Vice President for the Company, or other counsel for the Company acceptable to the Representatives, shall have furnished to the Representatives his written opinion, dated the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares, in form and substance satisfactory to the Representatives, to the effect that:

(i) The Company has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of the State of Minnesota, with corporate power and authority to own its properties and conduct its business as described in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(ii) The Company has an authorized share capital as set forth in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and all of the issued shares of capital stock of the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued and are fully paid and non-assessable;

(iii) The Company has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each jurisdiction in which, in such counsel's

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opinion, the Company is required to be so qualified or if the Company is not so qualified in any such state or jurisdiction, the failure to so qualify would not, considering all cases in the aggregate, involve a material risk to the business, properties, financial position or results of operation of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole;

(iv) Each of the Principal Subsidiaries has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of its jurisdiction of incorporation; all of the issued shares of capital stock of each of St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and approximately 78% of the issued shares of the capital stock of The John Nuveen Company have been duly authorized and validly issued, are fully paid and non-assessable, and (except as disclosed in the Registration Statement) are owned directly or indirectly by the Company, free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, equities or claims (such counsel being entitled to rely in respect of the opinion in this clause upon opinions of local counsel and in respect of matters of fact upon certificates of officers of the Company or the Principal Subsidiaries, provided that such counsel shall state that he believes that both the Representatives and he are justified in relying upon such opinions and certificates);

(v) To such counsel's knowledge, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or of which any property of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is the subject, other than as set forth in the Prospectus and other than litigation or proceedings (none of which is reasonably likely to be material) incident to the kinds of business conducted by the Company and its subsidiaries, which, if determined adversely to the Company or any of its subsidiaries, would individually or in the aggregate (after giving effect to any applicable insurance, reinsurance

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or reserves therefor) have a material adverse effect on the consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole; and, to the best of such counsel's knowledge, no such proceedings are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

(vi) This Agreement and the Pricing Agreement with respect to the Designated Shares have been duly authorized, executed and delivered by the Company;

(vii) The issue and sale of the Designated Shares being delivered at such Time of Delivery, the compliance by the Company with all of the provisions of the Designated Shares, this Agreement and the Pricing Agreement with respect to the Designated Shares and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under, or result in the creation or imposition of any lien, charge or encumbrance upon any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries pursuant to the terms of, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument known to such counsel to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or by which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is bound or to which any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is subject, nor will such actions result in any violation of the provisions of the Restated Articles of Incorporation, as amended, or By-laws, as amended, of the Company or any statute or any order, rule or regulation known to such counsel of any court or governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Company or any of its subsidiaries or any of their properties;

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required for the issue and sale of the Designated Shares being delivered at such Time of Delivery or the consummation by the Company of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement or any applicable Pricing Agreement, except such as have been obtained under the Act and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Designated Shares by the Underwriters;

(ix) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries is in violation of its organizational documents or in default in the performance or observance of any obligation, agreement, covenant or condition contained in any material indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement, lease or other agreement or instrument to which it is a party or by which it or any of its properties is or may be bound, except where any such default does not have a material adverse effect on the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole.

(x) The statements set forth in the Prospectus under the captions "Description of Our Common Stock", insofar as they purport to constitute a summary of the terms of the Shares therein described, and, subject to the limitations set forth therein, under the caption "United States Taxation", and under the captions "Plan of Distribution" and "Underwriting" insofar as they purport to describe the provisions of the laws and documents referred to therein, are accurate, complete and fair;

(xi) The Company is not and, after giving effect to each offering and sale of the Shares will not be, an "investment company" or an entity "controlled" by an "investment company", as such terms are defined in the Investment Company Act;

(xii) The documents incorporated by reference in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion), when they became effective or were filed with the Commission, as the case may be, complied as to form in all material respects with the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder; and such counsel has no reason to believe that any of such documents, when they became effective or were so filed, as the case may be, contained, in the case of the registration statement which became effective under the Act, an untrue statement of a material

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fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, or, in the case of other documents which were filed under the Act or the Exchange Act with the Commission, an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact necessary in order to make the statements therein, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made when such documents were so filed, not misleading; and

(xiii) The Registration Statement and the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any further amendments and supplements thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion for the Designated Shares (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) comply as to form in all material respects with the requirements of the Act and the rules and regulations thereunder; such counsel has no reason to believe that, as of its effective date, the Registration Statement or any further amendment thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading or that, as of its date, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or any further amendment or supplement thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact necessary to make the statements therein, in light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading or that, as of the date of such opinion, either the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or any further amendment or supplement thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion

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(other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contains an untrue statement of a material fact or omits to state a material fact necessary to make the statements therein, in light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading; and such counsel does not know of any amendment to the Registration Statement required to be filed or any contracts or other documents of a character required to be filed as an exhibit to the Registration Statement or required to be incorporated by reference into the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or required to be described in the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented which are not filed or incorporated by reference or described as required;

provided that in lieu of the delivery of the opinion set forth in paragraph (iv) of this Section 7(c) as to The John Nuveen Company, such counsel may cause Alan G. Berkshire, Vice President and General Counsel to The John Nuveen Company, to deliver an opinion as to such matters, dated the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares.

(d) On the date of the Pricing Agreement for such Designated Shares and at the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares, the independent accountants of the Company who have certified the financial statements of the Company and its subsidiaries included or incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement shall have furnished to the Representatives a letter, dated the effective date of the Registration Statement or the date of the most recent report filed with the Commission containing financial statements and incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement, if the date of such report is later than such effective date, and a letter dated such Time of Delivery, respectively and, with respect to such letter dated such Time of Delivery, as to such other matters as the Representatives may reasonably request and in form and substance satisfactory to the Representatives;

(e) (i) Neither the Company nor any of its Principal Subsidiaries shall have sustained since the date

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of the latest audited financial statements included or incorporated by reference in the Prospectus as amended prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Shares any loss or interference with its business from fire, explosion, flood or other calamity, whether or not covered by insurance, or from any labor dispute or court or governmental action, order or decree, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus as amended prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Shares, and (ii) since the respective dates as of which information is given in the Prospectus as amended prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Shares there shall not have been any change in the capital stock or long-term debt of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole (other than any decrease in the capital stock resulting from purchases under the Company's Stock Repurchase Program and any increase in the capital stock resulting from the exercise of stock options or the issuance of restricted shares under the Company's stock incentive and employee compensation plans, or the conversion of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock) or any change, or any development involving a prospective change, in or affecting the general affairs, management, financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented prior to the date of the Pricing Agreement relative to the Designated Shares, the effect of which, in any such case described in clause (i) or (ii), is in the judgment of the Representatives so material and adverse as to make it impracticable or inadvisable to proceed with the public offering or the delivery of the Designated Shares on the terms and in the manner contemplated in the Prospectus as first amended relating to the Designated Shares;

(f) On or after the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Shares (i) no downgrading shall have occurred in the rating accorded the Company's debt securities or the Company's financial strength or claims paying ability by any "nationally recognized statistical rating organization," as that term is defined by the Commission for purposes of Rule 436(g)(2) under the Act and (ii) other than as disclosed in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, no such organization

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shall have publicly announced or otherwise given notice to the Company that it has under surveillance, review or watch, with possible negative implications, its rating of any of the Company's debt securities or the Company's financial strength or claims paying ability, or of any review for a possible change therein that does not indicate the direction of the possible change;

(g) On or after the date of the Pricing Agreement relating to the Designated Shares there shall not have occurred any of the following: (i) a suspension or material limitation in trading in securities generally on the New York Stock Exchange; (ii) a suspension or material limitation in trading the Company's securities on the New York Stock Exchange; (iii) a general moratorium on commercial banking activities in New York declared by either Federal or New York State authorities or a material disruption in the Commercial banking or securities settlement or clearance services in the United States; or
(iv) the outbreak or escalation of hostilities involving the United States or the declaration by the United States of a national emergency or war or the occurrence of any other calamity or crisis or change in financial, political or economic conditions in the United States or elsewhere if the effect of any such event specified in this clause (iv) in the judgment of the Representatives makes it impracticable or inadvisable to proceed with the public offering or the delivery of the Designated Shares on the terms and in the manner contemplated in the Prospectus as first amended or supplemented relating to the Designated Shares;

(h) [The Shares at each Time of Delivery shall have been duly listed, subject to notice of issuance, on the [New York] Stock Exchange.]

(i) The Company shall have furnished or caused to be furnished to the Representatives at the Time of Delivery for the Designated Shares a certificate or certificates of officers of the Company satisfactory to the Representatives as to the accuracy of the representations and warranties of the Company herein at and as of such Time of Delivery, as to the performance by the Company of all of its obligations hereunder to be performed at or prior to such Time of Delivery, as to the matters set forth in subsections (a) and (f) of this Section and as to such

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other matters as the Representatives may reasonably request.

8. (a) The Company will indemnify and hold harmless each Underwriter against any losses, claims, damages or liabilities, joint or several, to which such Underwriter may become subject, under the Act or otherwise, insofar as such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) arise out of or are based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement of a material fact contained in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Shares, or any amendment or supplement thereto, or arise out of or are based upon the omission or alleged omission to state therein a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, and will reimburse each Underwriter for any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by such Underwriter in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim as such expenses are incurred; provided, however, that the Company shall not be liable in any such case to the extent that any such loss, claim, damage or liability arises out of or is based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission made in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Shares, or any such amendment or supplement in reliance upon and in conformity with written information furnished to the Company by any Underwriter of Designated Shares through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented relating to such Shares; and provided, further, that the Company shall not be liable to any Underwriter under the indemnity agreement in this subsection (a) with respect to any Preliminary Prospectus to the extent that any such loss, claim, damage or liability of such Underwriter results from the fact such Underwriter sold Shares to a person to whom there was not sent or given, at or prior to the written confirmation of such sale, a copy of the Prospectus (excluding documents incorporated by reference) or of the Prospectus as then amended or supplemented (excluding documents incorporated by reference) in any case where such delivery is required by the Act if the Company has

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previously furnished copies thereof to such Underwriter and the loss, claim, damage or liability of such Underwriter results from an untrue statement or omission of a material fact contained in the Preliminary Prospectus which was corrected in the Prospectus (or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented).

(b) Each Underwriter will indemnify and hold harmless the Company against any losses, claims, damages or liabilities to which the Company may become subject, under the Act or otherwise, insofar as such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) arise out of or are based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement of a material fact contained in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Shares, or any amendment or supplement thereto, or arise out of or are based upon the omission or alleged omission to state therein a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, in each case to the extent, but only to the extent, that such untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission was made in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Shares, or any such amendment or supplement in reliance upon and in conformity with written information furnished to the Company by such Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use therein; and will reimburse the Company for any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by the Company in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim as such expenses are incurred.

(c) Promptly after receipt by an indemnified party under subsection (a) or (b) above of notice of the commencement of any action, such indemnified party shall, if a claim in respect thereof is to be made against the indemnifying party under such subsection, notify the indemnifying party in writing of the commencement thereof; but the omission so to notify the indemnifying party shall not relieve it from any liability which it may have to any indemnified party otherwise than under such subsection. In case any such action shall be brought against any

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indemnified party and it shall notify the indemnifying party of the commencement thereof, the indemnifying party shall be entitled to participate therein and, to the extent that it shall wish, jointly with any other indemnifying party similarly notified, to assume the defense thereof, with counsel satisfactory to such indemnified party (who shall not, except with the consent of the indemnified party, be counsel to the indemnifying party), and, after notice from the indemnifying party to such indemnified party of its election so to assume the defense thereof, the indemnifying party shall not be liable to such indemnified party under such subsection for any legal expenses of other counsel or any other expenses, in each case subsequently incurred by such indemnified party, in connection with the defense thereof other than reasonable costs of investigation. No indemnifying party shall, without the written consent of the indemnified party, effect the settlement or compromise of, or consent to the entry of any judgment with respect to, any pending or threatened action or claim in respect of which indemnification or contribution may be sought hereunder (whether or not the indemnified party is an actual or potential party to such action or claim) unless such settlement, compromise or judgment (i) includes an unconditional release of the indemnified party from all liability arising out of such action or claim and (ii) does not include a statement as to, or an admission of, fault, culpability or a failure to act, by or on behalf of any indemnified party.

(d) If the indemnification provided for in this Section 8 is unavailable to or insufficient to hold harmless an indemnified party under subsection (a) or (b) above in respect of any losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) referred to therein, then each indemnifying party shall contribute to the amount paid or payable by such indemnified party as a result of such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) in such proportion as is appropriate to reflect the relative benefits received by the Company on the one hand and the Underwriters of the Designated Shares on the other from the offering of the Designated Shares to which such loss, claim, damage or liability (or action in respect thereof) relates. If, however, the allocation provided by the immediately preceding sentence is not permitted by applicable law or if the indemnified party failed to give the notice required

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under subsection (c) above, then each indemnifying party shall contribute to such amount paid or payable by such indemnified party in such proportion as is appropriate to reflect not only such relative benefits but also the relative fault of the Company on the one hand and the Underwriters of the Designated Shares on the other in connection with the statements or omissions which resulted in such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof), as well as any other relevant equitable considerations. The relative benefits received by the Company on the one hand and such Underwriters on the other shall be deemed to be in the same proportion as the total net proceeds from such offering (before deducting expenses) received by the Company bear to the total underwriting discounts and commissions received by such Underwriters. The relative fault shall be determined by reference to, among other things, whether the untrue or alleged untrue statement of a material fact or the omission or alleged omission to state a material fact relates to information supplied by the Company on the one hand or such Underwriters on the other and the parties' relative intent, knowledge, access to information and opportunity to correct or prevent such statement or omission. The Company and the Underwriters agree that it would not be just and equitable if contribution pursuant to this subsection (d) were determined by pro rata allocation (even if the Underwriters were treated as one entity for such purpose) or by any other method of allocation which does not take account of the equitable considerations referred to above in this subsection (d). The amount paid or payable by an indemnified party as a result of the losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) referred to above in this subsection (d) shall be deemed to include any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by such indemnified party in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim. Notwithstanding the provisions of this subsection (d), no Underwriter shall be required to contribute any amount in excess of the amount by which the total price at which the applicable Designated Shares underwritten by it and distributed to the public were offered to the public exceeds the amount of any damages which such Underwriter has otherwise been required to pay by reason of such untrue or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission. No person guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation (within the meaning of Section

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11(f) of the Act) shall be entitled to contribution from any person who was not guilty of such fraudulent misrepresentation. The obligations of the Underwriters of Designated Shares in this subsection (d) to contribute are several in proportion to their respective underwriting obligations with respect to such Shares and not joint.

(e) The obligations of the Company under this Section 8 shall be in addition to any liability which the Company may otherwise have and shall extend, upon the same terms and conditions, to each person, if any, who controls any Underwriter within the meaning of the Act; and the obligations of the Underwriters under this Section 8 shall be in addition to any liability which the respective Underwriters may otherwise have and shall extend, upon the same terms and conditions, to each officer and director of the Company and to each person, if any, who controls the Company within the meaning of the Act.

9. (a) If any Underwriter shall default in its obligation to purchase the Firm Shares or Optional Shares which it has agreed to purchase under the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Shares, the Representatives may in their discretion arrange for themselves or another party or other parties to purchase such Firm Shares or Optional Shares, as the case may be, on the terms contained herein. If within thirty-six hours after such default by any Underwriter the Representatives do not arrange for the purchase of such Designated Shares, then the Company shall be entitled to a further period of thirty-six hours within which to procure another party or other parties satisfactory to the Representatives to purchase such Designated Shares on such terms. In the event that, within the respective prescribed period, the Representatives notify the Company that they have so arranged for the purchase of such Designated Shares, or the Company notifies the Representatives that it has so arranged for the purchase of such Designated Shares, the Representatives or the Company shall have the right to postpone the Time of Delivery for such Designated Shares for a period of not more than seven days, in order to effect whatever changes may thereby be made necessary in the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, or in any other documents or arrangements, and the Company agrees to file promptly any amendments or supplements to the Registration Statement or the Prospectus which in the

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opinion of the Representatives may thereby be made necessary. The term "Underwriter" as used in this Agreement shall include any person substituted under this Section with like effect as if such person had originally been a party to the Pricing Agreement with respect to such Designated Shares.

(b) If, after giving effect to any arrangements for the purchase of the Firm Shares or Optional Shares, as the case may be, of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters by the Representatives and the Company as provided in subsection (a) above, the aggregate principal amount of such Designated Shares which remains unpurchased does not exceed one-tenth of the aggregate principal amount of the Designated Shares, then the Company shall have the right to require each non-defaulting Underwriter to purchase the principal amount of Designated Shares which such Underwriter agreed to purchase under the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Shares and, in addition, to require each non-defaulting Underwriter to purchase its pro rata share (based on the principal amount of Designated Shares which such Underwriter agreed to purchase under such Pricing Agreement) of the Designated Shares of such defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters for which such arrangements have not been made; but nothing herein shall relieve a defaulting Underwriter from liability for its default.

(c) If, after giving effect to any arrangements for the purchase of the Firm Shares or Optional Shares, as the case may be, of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters by the Representatives and the Company as provided in subsection (a) above, the aggregate principal amount of Designated Shares which remains unpurchased exceeds one-tenth of the aggregate principal amount of the Designated Shares, as referred to in subsection (b) above, or if the Company shall not exercise the right described in subsection (b) above to require non-defaulting Underwriters to purchase Designated Shares of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters, then the Pricing Agreement relating to such Designated Shares shall thereupon terminate, without liability on the part of any non-defaulting Underwriter or the Company, except for the expenses to be borne by the Company and the Underwriters as provided in Section 6 hereof and the indemnity and contribution agreements in

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Section 8 hereof; but nothing herein shall relieve a defaulting Underwriter from liability for its default.

10. The respective indemnities, agreements, representations, warranties and other statements of the Company and the several Underwriters, as set forth in this Agreement or made by or on behalf of them, respectively, pursuant to this Agreement, shall remain in full force and effect, regardless of any investigation (or any statement as to the results thereof) made by or on behalf of any Underwriter or any controlling person of any Underwriter, or the Company, or any officer or director or controlling person of the Company, and shall survive delivery of and payment for the Shares.

11. If any Pricing Agreement shall be terminated pursuant to
Section 9 hereof, the Company shall not then be under any liability to any Underwriter with respect to the Firm Shares or Optional Shares covered by such Pricing Agreement except as provided in Section 6 and
Section 8 hereof; but, if for any other reason Designated Shares are not delivered by or on behalf of the Company as provided herein, the Company will reimburse the Underwriters through the Representatives for all out-of-pocket expenses approved in writing by the Representatives, including fees and disbursements of counsel, reasonably incurred by the Underwriters in making preparations for the purchase, sale and delivery of such Designated Shares, but the Company shall then be under no further liability to any Underwriter with respect to such Designated Shares except as provided in Section 6 and Section 8 hereof.

12. In all dealings hereunder, the Representatives of the Underwriters of Designated Shares shall act on behalf of each of such Underwriters, and the parties hereto shall be entitled to act and rely upon any statement, request, notice or agreement on behalf of any Underwriter made or given by such Representatives jointly or by such of the Representatives, if any, as may be designated for such purpose in the Pricing Agreement.

All statements, requests, notices and agreements hereunder shall be in writing, and if to the Underwriters shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to the address of the Representatives as set forth in the Pricing Agreement; and if to the Company shall

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be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to the address of the Company set forth in the Registration Statement:
Attention: Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., Senior Vice President; provided, however, that any notice to an Underwriter pursuant to Section 8(c) hereof shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to such Underwriter at its address set forth in its Underwriters' Questionnaire, or telex constituting such Questionnaire, which address will be supplied to the Company by the Representatives upon request. Any such statements, requests, notices or agreements shall take effect upon receipt thereof.

13. This Agreement and each Pricing Agreement shall be binding upon, and inure solely to the benefit of, the Underwriters, the Company and, to the extent provided in Section 8 and Section 10 hereof, the officers and directors of the Company and each person who controls the Company or any Underwriter, and their respective heirs, executors, administrators, successors and assigns, and no other person shall acquire or have any right under or by virtue of this Agreement or any such Pricing Agreement. No purchaser of any of the Shares from any Underwriter shall be deemed a successor or assign by reason merely of such purchase.

14. Time shall be of the essence of each Pricing Agreement. As used herein, "business day" shall mean any day when the Commission's office in Washington, D.C. is open for business.

15. This Agreement and each Pricing Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.

16. This Agreement and each Pricing Agreement may be executed by any one or more of the parties hereto and thereto in any number of counterparts, each of which shall be deemed to be an original, but all such respective counterparts shall together constitute one and the same instrument.

If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please sign and return to us four counterparts hereof.

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Very truly yours,

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By:

Name:


Title:

Accepted as of the date hereof:

[UNDERWRITERS]

BY: [REPRESENTATIVE]

By:
Name:
Title:

On behalf of each of the Underwriters

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ANNEX I

PRICING AGREEMENT

[UNDERWRITERS]

As Representatives of the several

Underwriters named in Schedule I hereto,
[ADDRESS]

[DATE]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Company"), proposes, subject to the terms and conditions stated herein and in the Underwriting Agreement, dated [ ], 200[ ](the "Underwriting Agreement"), between the Company on the one hand and [UNDERWRITERS] on the other hand, to issue and sell to the Underwriters named in Schedule I hereto (the "Underwriters") the Shares specified in Schedule II hereto (the "Designated Shares"). Each of the provisions of the Underwriting Agreement is incorporated herein by reference in its entirety, and shall be deemed to be a part of this Agreement to the same extent as if such provisions had been set forth in full herein; and each of the representations and warranties set forth therein shall be deemed to have been made at and as of the date of this Pricing Agreement, except that each representation and warranty which refers to the Prospectus in Section 2 of the Underwriting Agreement shall be deemed to be a representation or warranty as of the date of the Underwriting Agreement in relation to the Prospectus (as therein defined), and also a representation and warranty as of the date of this Pricing Agreement in relation to the Prospectus as amended or supplemented relating to the Designated Shares which are the subject of this Pricing Agreement. Each reference to the Representatives herein and in the provisions of the Underwriting Agreement so incorporated by reference shall be deemed to refer to you. Unless otherwise defined herein, terms defined in the Underwriting Agreement are used herein as therein defined. The Representatives designated to act on behalf of the Representatives and on behalf of each of the Underwriters of the Designated Shares pursuant to Section 12 of the Underwriting Agreement and the address of the


Representatives referred to in such Section 12 are set forth at the end of Schedule II hereto.

An amendment to the Registration Statement, or a supplement to the Prospectus, as the case may be, relating to the Designated Shares, in the form heretofore delivered to you is now proposed to be filed with the Commission.

Subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein and in the Underwriting Agreement incorporated herein by reference, [(a)] the Company agrees to issue and sell to each of the Underwriters, and each of the Underwriters agrees, severally and not jointly, to purchase from the Company, at the time and place and at the purchase price to the Underwriters set forth in Schedule II hereto, the principal amount of Designated Shares set forth opposite the name of such Underwriter in Schedule I hereto and, [(b) in the event and to the extent that the Underwriters shall exercise the election to purchase Optional Shares, as provided below, the Company agrees to issue and sell to each of the Underwriters, and each of the Underwriters agrees, severally and not jointly, to purchase from the Company at the purchase price to the Underwriters set forth in Schedule II hereto that portion of the number of Optional Shares as to which such election shall have been exercised].

[The Company hereby grants to each of the Underwriters the right to purchase at their election up to the number of Optional Shares set forth opposite the name of such Underwriter in Schedule I hereto on the terms referred to in the paragraph above for the sole purpose of covering overallotments in the sale of the Firm Shares. Any such election to purchase Optional Shares may be exercised by written notice from the Representatives to the Company given within a period of 30 calendar days after the date of this Pricing Agreement, setting forth the aggregate number of Optional Shares to be purchased and the date on which such Optional Shares are to be delivered, as determined by the Representatives, but in no event earlier than the First Time of Delivery or, unless the Representatives and the Company otherwise agree in writing, no earlier than two or later than ten business days after the date of such notice].

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If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please sign and return to us [ ] counterparts hereof [(one for the issuer and each of the Representatives plus one for each Counsel)], and upon acceptance hereof by you, on behalf of each of the Underwriters, this letter and such acceptance hereof, including the provisions of the Underwriting Agreement incorporated herein by reference, shall constitute a binding agreement between each of the Underwriters and the Company. It is understood that your acceptance of this letter on behalf of each of the Underwriters is or will be pursuant to the authority set forth in a form of Agreement among Underwriters, the form of which shall be submitted to the Company for examination upon request, but without warranty on the part of the Representatives as to the authority of the signers thereof.

Very truly yours,

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By:

Name:


Title:

Accepted as of the date hereof:

[UNDERWRITERS]

BY:

By:
Name:
Title:

On behalf of each of the Underwriters

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SCHEDULE I

                                                                            AMOUNT OF
                                                           AMOUNT OF        OPTIONAL
                                                           FIRM SHARES      SHARES TO
                                                           TO BE            BE
                  UNDERWRITER                              PURCHASED        PURCHASED
                  -----------                             -------------     ---------
[UNDERWRITER] ......................................      $                $
[UNDERWRITER] ......................................
[UNDERWRITER] ......................................

                  Total ............................      -------------    -----------
                                                          $                $
                                                          =============    ===========


SCHEDULE II

TITLE OF DESIGNATED SHARES:

NUMBER OF DESIGNATED SHARES:

Number of Firm Shares:

Maximum Number of Optional Shares:

INITIAL OFFERING PRICE TO PUBLIC:

[$[ ] per Share] [Formula]

PURCHASE PRICE BY UNDERWRITERS:

[$[ ] per Share] [Formula]

[COMMISSION PAYABLE TO UNDERWRITERS:

$[ ] per Share in [specify same form of funds as in Specified Funds below]]

FORM OF DESIGNATED SHARES:

[Definitive form, to be made available for checking and packaging at least twenty-four hours prior to the Time of Delivery at the office of [The Depository Trust Company or its designated custodian] [the Representatives]]

[Book-entry only form represented by one or more global securities deposited with The Depository Trust Company ("DTC") or its designated custodian, to be made available for checking by the Representatives at least twenty-four hours prior to the Time of Delivery at the office of DTC.]

SPECIFIED FUNDS FOR PAYMENT OF PURCHASE PRICE:

[Federal (same day)]

[Describe any blackout provisions with respect to the Designated Shares]

TIME OF DELIVERY:

[ ] a.m.(New York City time), [ ], 200[ ]


CLOSING LOCATION:

NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF REPRESENTATIVES:

Designated Representatives:

Address for Notices, etc.:

[OTHER TERMS]:

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Exhibit 1.4

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

[ ] CONVERTIBLE DEBENTURES DUE [ ]


Underwriting Agreement

[Date]

[UNDERWRITERS]
[As representatives of the several Underwriters named in Schedule 1 hereto,]
[c/o NAME]
[ADDRESS]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Company"), proposes, subject to the terms and conditions stated herein, to issue and sell to the firms named in Schedule I (such firms constituting the "Underwriters") an aggregate of $[ ] of its [ ] Convertible Debentures Due 200[ ] (the "Securities"). The Securities will be convertible into shares of
[common stock], without par value (the "Common Stock"), of the Company. The addressee firms are designated as representatives of the several Underwriters (the "Representatives"). The term "Representatives also refers to a single firm acting as sole representative of the Underwriters.

1. The Company represents and warrants to, and agrees with, each of the Underwriters that:

(a) A registration statement on Form S-3 (File No. ) (the "Initial Registration Statement") in respect of the Securities, the Senior Debt Securities of the Company, the Subordinated Debt Securities of the Company, the Preferred Stock of the Company, the Common Stock of the Company, the Warrants of the Company, the Preferred Securities of St. Paul Capital Trust II (the "Trust") and the guarantee by the Company with respect to such Preferred Securities of the Trust (the "Guarantee") has been filed


with the Securities and Exchange Commission (the "Commission"); the Initial Registration Statement and any post-effective amendment thereto, each in the form heretofore delivered or to be delivered to the Representatives and, excluding exhibits to the Initial Registration Statement, but including all documents incorporated by reference in the prospectus included in the latest registration statement, to the Representatives for each of the other Underwriters, have been declared effective by the Commission in such form; other than a registration statement, if any, increasing the size of the offering (a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement"), filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Act"), which became effective upon filing, no other document with respect to the Initial Registration Statement or documents incorporated by reference therein has heretofore been filed or transmitted for filing with the Commission (other than prospectuses filed pursuant to Rule 424(b) of the rules and regulations of the Commission under the Act, each in the form heretofore delivered to the Representatives); and no stop order suspending the effectiveness of any Initial Registration Statement, any post-effective amendment thereto, or the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, has been issued and no proceeding for that purpose has been initiated or threatened by the Commission (any preliminary prospectus included in the Initial Registration Statement or filed with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(a) under the Act, is hereinafter called a "Preliminary Prospectus"); the various parts of the Initial Registration Statement, any post-effective amendment thereto, and the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, including all exhibits thereto and the documents incorporated by reference in the prospectus contained in the Initial Registration Statement, at the time such part of the Initial Registration Statements became effective but excluding Form T-l, each as amended at the time such part of the Initial Registration Statements became effective or such part of the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, became or hereafter becomes effective, are hereinafter called the "Registration Statement"; the prospectus relating to the Securities, in the form in which it has most recently been filed, or transmitted for filing, with the Commission on or prior to the date of this Agreement, being hereinafter called the "Prospectus"; any reference herein to any Preliminary

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Prospectus or the Prospectus shall be deemed to refer to and include the documents incorporated by reference therein pursuant to the applicable form under the Act, as of the date of such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be; any reference to any amendment or supplement to any Preliminary Prospectus or the Prospectus shall be deemed to refer to and include any documents filed after the date of such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be, under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the "Exchange Act"), and incorporated by reference in such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be; any reference to any amendment to the Initial Registration Statement shall be deemed to refer to and include any annual report of the Company filed pursuant to Sections 13(a) or 15(d) of the Exchange Act after the effective date of the Initial Registration Statement that is incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement; and any reference to the Prospectus as amended or supplemented shall be deemed to refer to and include the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the Securities to be sold pursuant to this Agreement, in the form filed or transmitted for filing with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(b) under the Act and in accordance with Section 5(a) hereof (including any documents incorporated by reference therein as of the date of such filing);

(b) The documents incorporated by reference in the Prospectus, when they became effective or were filed with the Commission, as the case may be, conformed in all material respects to the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder, and none of such documents contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; and any further documents so filed and incorporated by reference in the Prospectus or any further amendment or supplement thereto, when such documents become effective or are filed with the Commission, as the case may be, will conform in all material respects to the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder and will not contain an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading;

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provided, however, that this representation and warranty shall not apply to any statements or omissions made in reliance upon and in conformity with information furnished in writing to the Company by an Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented.

(c) The Registration Statement and the Prospectus conform, and any further amendments or supplements to the Registration Statement or the Prospectus will conform, in all material respects to the requirements of the Act and the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended (the "Trust Indenture Act") and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder and do not and will not, as of the applicable effective date as to the Registration Statement and any amendment thereto and as of the applicable filing date as to the Prospectus and any amendment or supplement thereto, contain an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; provided, however, that this representation and warranty shall not apply to any statements or omissions made in reliance upon and in conformity with information furnished in writing to the Company by an Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented.

(d) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries has sustained since the date of the latest audited financial statements included or incorporated by reference in the Prospectus any direct loss or interference with its business from fire, explosion, flood or other calamity, whether or not covered by insurance, or from any labor dispute or court or governmental action, order or decree, which is material to the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus; and, since the respective dates as of which information is given in the Registration Statement and the Prospectus, there has not been any change in the capital stock or long-term debt of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole (other than any decrease in the capital stock resulting from purchases under the Company's Stock Repurchase Program and any increase resulting from the exercise of stock options or the issuance of restricted shares under the Company's

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stock incentive and employee compensation plans, or the conversion of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock) or any material adverse change, or any development involving a prospective material adverse change, in or affecting the general affairs, management, financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus;

(e) The Company has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of the State of Minnesota, with power and authority (corporate and other) to own its properties and conduct its business as described in the Prospectus, and has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each other jurisdiction in which it owns or leases properties, or conducts any business, so as to require such qualification, and is not subject to any material liability or disability by reason of the failure to be so qualified in any such jurisdiction; and each of the Company's principal subsidiaries (hereinafter called "Principal Subsidiaries"), namely St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and The John Nuveen Company, has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of its jurisdiction of incorporation and has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each other jurisdiction in which it owns or leases properties, or conducts any business, so as to require such qualification;

(f) The Company has an authorized capitalization as set forth in the Prospectus, and all of the issued shares of capital stock of the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued and are fully paid and non-assessable. The shares of the Common Stock issuable upon conversion of the Securities have been duly and validly authorized and reserved for issuance and, when issued in accordance with the provisions of the Securities and the Indenture, will be duly and validly issued, fully paid and non-assessable and will conform with the description of the Common Stock contained in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented. All of the issued shares of capital stock of each of St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United

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States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and The John Nuveen Company held directly or indirectly by the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued, are fully paid and non-assessable and (except as disclosed in the Registration Statement) all shares of the capital stock of such subsidiaries are owned directly or indirectly by the Company, free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, equities or claims;

(g) The Securities have been duly authorized by the Company, and, when issued and delivered pursuant to this Agreement, will have been duly executed, authenticated, issued and delivered and will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company entitled to the benefits provided by the Indenture dated [ ], 200[ ](the "Indenture"), between the Company and JPMorgan Chase Bank, as trustee, under which the Securities are to be issued, and enforceable in accordance with their terms, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles;

(h) The Indenture has been duly authorized and duly qualified under the Trust Indenture Act and, at the Time of Delivery for the Securities (as defined in Section 4 hereof), the Indenture will constitute a valid and legally binding instrument, enforceable in accordance with its terms, subject, as to enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization and other laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles; and the Indenture and the Securities will conform to the descriptions thereof contained in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(i) The issue and sale of the Securities and the shares of Common Stock initially issuable upon conversion of the Securities and the compliance by the Company with all of the provisions of the Securities, the Indenture, this Agreement and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or by which the Company or any of

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its subsidiaries is bound or to which any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is subject, nor will such action result in any violation of the provisions of the Restated Articles of Incorporation, as amended, or the By-laws, as amended, of the Company or any statute or any order, rule or regulation of any court or governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Company or any of its subsidiaries or any of their properties; and no consent, approval, authorization, order, registration or qualification of or with any such court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Securities or the consummation by the Company of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement or the Indenture, except such as have been, or will have been prior to the Time of Delivery, obtained under the Act and the Trust Indenture Act and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Securities by the Underwriters;

(j) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries is in violation of its organizational documents or in default in the performance or observance of any material obligation, agreement, covenant or condition contained in any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement, lease or other agreement or instrument to which it is a party or by which it or any of its properties is or may be bound, which default might reasonably be expected to result in a material adverse effect on the current or future consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity, results of operation or business prospects of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole;

(k) The statements set forth in the Prospectus under the captions "Description of Debt Securities We May Offer", and "Description of Our Common Stock", insofar as they purport to constitute a summary of the terms of the Securities therein described, and, subject to the limitations set forth therein, and under the caption "Plan of Distribution" insofar as it purports to describe the provisions of the laws and documents referred to therein, are accurate, complete and fair;

(l) Other than as set forth in the Prospectus, and other than litigation (none of which is reasonably

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likely to be material) incidental to the kinds of business conducted by the Company and its subsidiaries, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party, or of which any property of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is the subject, which, if determined adversely to the Company or any of its subsidiaries, would individually or in the aggregate (after giving effect to any applicable insurance, reinsurance or reserves therefor) have a material adverse effect on the current or future consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole; and, to the best of the Company's knowledge, no such proceedings are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

(m) The Company is not and, after giving effect to each offering and sale of the Securities will not be, an "investment company" or an entity "controlled" by an "investment company", as such terms are defined in the Investment Company Act of 1940, as amended (the "Investment Company Act");

(n) Immediately after any sale of Securities by the Company hereunder, the aggregate amount of Securities which shall have been issued and sold by the Company hereunder and of any convertible debentures of the Company (other than such Securities) that shall have been issued and sold pursuant to the registration statement will not exceed the amount of securities registered under the registration statement; and

(o) KPMG LLP, who have certified certain financial statements of the Company and its subsidiaries, are independent public accountants as required by the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder.

2. Subject to the terms and conditions herein set forth, the Company agrees that it will sell to the Underwriters, and each of the Underwriters, severally and not jointly, agrees to purchase from the Company, at a purchase price of [ ]% of the principal amount thereof plus any accrued
[interest/original issue discount] from [ ], 200[ ] to the Time of Delivery (as defined in Section 4 below), the amount of Securities set forth opposite the name of such Underwriter in Schedule I hereto.

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3. Upon the authorization by the Representatives of the release of the Securities, the Underwriters will offer the Securities for sale to the public as set forth in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented.

4. The Securities to be purchased by the Underwriters will be represented by one or more definitive global Securities in book-entry form which will be deposited by or on behalf of the Company with The Depository Trust Company ("DTC") or its designated custodian. The Company will deliver the Securities to the Underwriters, against payment by the Underwriters of the purchase price therefor by wire transfer of Federal (same-day) funds to the account specified by the Company to the Underwriters at least twenty-four hours in advance, by causing DTC to credit the Securities to the accounts of the Underwriters at DTC. The Company will cause the certificates representing the Securities to be made available to the Representatives for checking at least twenty-four hours prior to the Time of Delivery (as defined below) at the office of DTC or its designated custodian (the "Designated Office"). The time and date of such delivery and payment shall be, with respect to the Securities, [ ] a.m., New York City time, on [ ], 200[ ] or such other time and date as the Representatives and the Company may agree upon in writing. Such time and date for delivery of the Securities is herein called the "Time of Delivery".

5. The Company agrees with each of the Underwriters of any Designated Securities:

(a) To prepare the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in relation to the Securities in a form approved by the Representatives and to file such Prospectus pursuant to Rule 424(b) under the Act not later than the Commission's close of business on the second business day following the execution and delivery of this Agreement or, if applicable, such earlier time as may be required by Rule 424(b); to make no further amendment or any supplement to the Registration Statement or Prospectus as amended or supplemented after the date of this Agreement and prior to the Time of Delivery for such Securities which shall be disapproved by the Representatives for such Securities promptly after reasonable notice thereof; to advise the

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Representatives promptly of any such amendment or supplement after such Time of Delivery and furnish the Representatives with copies thereof; to file promptly all reports and any definitive proxy or information statements required to be filed by the Company with the Commission pursuant to Sections 13(a), 13(c), 14 or 15(d) of the Exchange Act for so long as the delivery of a prospectus is required in connection with the offering or sale of such Securities, and during such same period to advise the Representatives, promptly after it receives notice thereof, of the time when any amendment to the Registration Statement has been filed or becomes effective or any supplement to the Prospectus or any amended Prospectus has been filed with the Commission, of the issuance by the Commission of any stop order or of any order preventing or suspending the use of any prospectus relating to the Securities, of the suspension of the qualification of such Securities for offering or sale in any jurisdiction, of the initiation or threatening of any proceeding for any such purpose, or of any request by the Commission for the amending or supplementing of the Registration Statement or Prospectus or for additional information; and, in the event of the issuance of any such stop order or of any such order preventing or suspending the use of any prospectus relating to the Securities or suspending any such qualification, to promptly use its best efforts to obtain the withdrawal of such order;

(b) Promptly from time to time to take such action as the Representatives may reasonably request to qualify the Securities for offering and sale under the securities laws of such jurisdictions as the Representatives may request and to comply with such laws so as to permit the continuance of sales and dealings therein in such jurisdictions for as long as may be necessary to complete the distribution of such Securities, provided that in connection therewith the Company shall not be required to qualify as a foreign corporation or to file a general consent to service of process in any jurisdiction;

(c) To furnish the Representatives with copies of the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in such quantities as the Representatives may from time to time reasonably request, and, if the delivery of a prospectus is required at any time in connection with the offering or sale of the Securities and if at such time any event shall

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have occurred as a result of which the Prospectus as then amended or supplemented would include an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state any material fact necessary in order to make the statements therein, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made when such Prospectus is delivered, not misleading, or, if for any other reason it shall be necessary during such same period to amend or supplement the Prospectus or to file under the Exchange Act any document incorporated by reference in the Prospectus in order to comply with the Act, the Exchange Act or the Trust Indenture Act, to notify the Representatives and upon their request to file such document and to prepare and furnish without charge to each Underwriter and to any dealer in securities as many copies as the Representatives may from time to time reasonably request of an amended Prospectus or a supplement to the Prospectus which will correct such statement or omission or effect such compliance;

(d) To make generally available to its security holders as soon as practicable, but in any event not later than eighteen months after the effective date of the Registration Statement (as defined in Rule 158(c) under the Act), an earnings statement of the Company and its subsidiaries (which need not be audited) complying with Section 11(a) of the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder (including at the option of the Company Rule 158); and

(e) During the period beginning from the date of this Agreement and continuing to and including the earlier of (i) the termination of trading restrictions for the Securities, as notified to the Company by the Representatives and (ii) the Time of Delivery for such Securities, not to offer, sell, contract to sell or otherwise dispose of any convertible debentures of the Company which are substantially similar to the Securities, without the prior written consent of the Representatives; and

(f) If the Company elects to rely upon Rule 462(b), the Company shall file a Rule 462(b) Registration Statement with the Commission in compliance with Rule 462(b) by 10:00 P.M., Washington, D.C. time, on the date of this Agreement, and the Company shall at the time of filing either pay to the Commission the filing fee for the Rule

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462(b) Registration Statement or give irrevocable instructions for the payment of such fee pursuant to Rule 111(b) under the Act.

6. The Company covenants and agrees with the several Underwriters that the Company will pay or cause to be paid the following: (i) the fees, disbursements and expenses of the Company's counsel and accountants in connection with the registration of the Securities under the Act and all other expenses in connection with the preparation, printing and filing of the Registration Statement, any Preliminary Prospectus and the Prospectus and amendments and supplements thereto and the mailing and delivering of copies thereof to the Underwriters and dealers; (ii) the cost of printing or producing any Agreement among Underwriters, this Agreement, the Indenture, any Blue Sky and Legal Investment Memoranda, closing documents (including compilations thereof) and any other documents in connection with the offering, purchase, sale and delivery of the Securities; (iii) all expenses in connection with the qualification of the Securities for offering and sale under state securities laws as provided in Section 5(b) hereof, including the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Underwriters in connection with such qualification and in connection with the Blue Sky and Legal Investment Surveys; (iv) any fees charged by securities rating services for rating the Securities; (v) any filing fees incident to, and the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Underwriters in connection with, any required review by the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. of the terms of the sale of the Securities; (vi) the cost of preparing the Securities; (vii) the fees and expenses of the Trustee and any agent of the Trustee and the fees and disbursements of counsel for any Trustee in connection with any Indenture and the Securities; and (viii) all other costs and expenses incident to the performance of its obligations hereunder which are not otherwise specifically provided for in this Section. It is understood, however, that, except as provided in this Section, and Sections 8 and 11 hereof, the Underwriters will pay all of their own costs and expenses, including the fees of their counsel, transfer taxes on resale of any of the Securities by them, and any advertising expenses connected with any offers they may make.

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7. The obligations of the Underwriters to purchase and pay for the Securities shall be subject, in the discretion of the Representatives, to the condition that all representations and warranties and other statements of the Company in or incorporated by reference herein relating to such Securities are, at and as of the Time of Delivery for the Securities, true and correct, the condition that the Company shall have performed all of its obligations hereunder theretofore to be performed, and the following additional conditions:

(a) The Prospectus shall have been filed with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(b) within the applicable time period prescribed for such filing by the rules and regulations under the Act and in accordance with Section 5(a) hereof; if the Company has elected to rely upon Rule 462(b), the Rule
462(b) Registration Statement shall have become effective by 10:00 P.M., Washington, D.C. time, on the date of this Agreement; no stop order suspending the effectiveness of the Registration Statement or any part thereof shall have been issued and no proceeding for that purpose shall have been initiated or threatened by the Commission; and all requests for additional information on the part of the Commission shall have been complied with to the Representatives' reasonable satisfaction;

(b) Sullivan & Cromwell shall have furnished to the Representatives such written opinion or opinions, dated the Time of Delivery for the Securities, with respect to the incorporation of the Company, the validity of the Indenture, the Securities, the Common Stock, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and other related matters as the Representatives may reasonably request, and such counsel shall have received such papers and information as they may reasonably request to enable them to pass upon such matters;

(c) Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., Senior Vice President for the Company, or other counsel for the Company acceptable to the Representatives, shall have furnished to the Representatives his written opinion, dated the Time of Delivery, in form and substance satisfactory to the Representatives, to the effect that:

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(i) The Company has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of the State of Minnesota, with corporate power and authority to own its properties and conduct its business as described in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(ii) The Company has an authorized share capital as set forth in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and all of the issued shares of capital stock of the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued and are fully paid and non-assessable;

(iii) The Company has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each jurisdiction in which, in such counsel's opinion, the Company is required to be so qualified or if the Company is not so qualified in any such state or jurisdiction, the failure to so qualify would not, considering all cases in the aggregate, involve a material risk to the business, properties, financial position or results of operation of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole;

(iv) Each of the Principal Subsidiaries has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of its jurisdiction of incorporation; all of the issued shares of capital stock of each of St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and approximately 78% of the issued shares of the capital stock of The John Nuveen Company have been duly authorized and validly issued, are fully paid and non-assessable, and (except as disclosed in the Registration Statement) are owned directly or indirectly by the Company, free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, equities or claims (such counsel being entitled to rely in respect of the opinion in this clause upon opinions of local counsel and in respect of matters of fact upon certificates of officers of

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the Company or the Principal Subsidiaries, provided that such counsel shall state that he believes that both the Representatives and he are justified in relying upon such opinions and certificates);

(v) To such counsel's knowledge, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or of which any property of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is the subject, other than as set forth in the Prospectus and other than litigation or proceedings (none of which is reasonably likely to be material) incident to the kinds of business conducted by the Company and its subsidiaries, which, if determined adversely to the Company or any of its subsidiaries, would individually or in the aggregate (after giving effect to any applicable insurance, reinsurance or reserves therefor) have a material adverse effect on the consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole; and, to the best of such counsel's knowledge, no such proceedings are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

(vi) This Agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered by the Company;

(vii) The Securities have been duly authorized, executed, authenticated, issued and delivered and constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company entitled to the benefits provided by the Indenture; and the Securities and the Indenture conform to the descriptions thereof in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(viii) The Indenture has been duly authorized, executed and delivered by the Company and constitutes a valid and legally binding obligation of the Company, enforceable in accordance with its terms, subject, as to

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enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization, fraudulent transfer, fraudulent conveyance, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles; and the Indenture has been duly qualified under the Trust Indenture Act;

(ix) The issue and sale of the Securities, the compliance by the Company with all of the provisions of the Securities, the Indenture, this Agreement and the consummation of the transactions herein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under, or result in the creation or imposition of any lien, charge or encumbrance upon any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries pursuant to the terms of, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument known to such counsel to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or by which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is bound or to which any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is subject, nor will such actions result in any violation of the provisions of the Restated Articles of Incorporation, as amended, or By-laws, as amended, of the Company or any statute or any order, rule or regulation known to such counsel of any court or governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Company or any of its subsidiaries or any of their properties;

(x) No consent, approval, authorization, order, registration or qualification of or with any such court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Securities or the consummation by the Company of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement or the Indenture, except such as have been obtained under the Act and the Trust Indenture Act and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws

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in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Securities by the Underwriters;

(xi) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries is in violation of its organizational documents or in default in the performance or observance of any obligation, agreement, covenant or condition contained in any material indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement, lease or other agreement or instrument to which it is a party or by which it or any of its properties is or may be bound, except where any such default does not have or would not reasonably be expected to have a material adverse effect on the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole.

(xii) The statements set forth in the Prospectus under the captions "Description of Debt Securities We May Offer" and "Description of Our Common Stock", insofar as they purport to constitute a summary of the terms of the Securities therein described, and, subject to the limitations set forth therein, under the caption "Plan of Distribution" insofar as it purports to describe the provisions of the laws and documents referred to therein, are accurate, complete and fair;

(xiii) The Company is not and, after giving effect to each offering and sale of the Securities will not be, an "investment company" or an entity "controlled" by an "investment company", as such terms are defined in the Investment Company Act;

(xiv) The documents incorporated by reference in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion), when they became effective or were filed with the Commission, as the case may be, complied as to form in all material respects with the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder; and such counsel has no reason to believe that any of such documents, when they became effective or were so filed, as the case may be, contained, in the case of the registration statement which became effective under the Act, an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, or, in the case of other documents which were filed under the Act or the Exchange Act with the Commission, an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact necessary in order to make the statements therein, in the light of the

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circumstances under which they were made when such documents were so filed, not misleading; and

(xv) The Registration Statement and the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any further amendments and supplements thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion for the Securities (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) comply as to form in all material respects with the requirements of the Act and the Trust Indenture Act and the rules and regulations thereunder; such counsel has no reason to believe that, as of its effective date, the Registration Statement or any further amendment thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading or that, as of its date, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or any further amendment or supplement thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact necessary to make the statements therein, in light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading or that, as of the date of such opinion, either the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or any further amendment or supplement thereto made by the Company prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contains an untrue statement of a material fact or omits to state a material fact necessary to make the statements therein, in light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading; and such counsel does not know of any amendment to the Registration

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Statement required to be filed or any contracts or other documents of a character required to be filed as an exhibit to the Registration Statement or required to be incorporated by reference into the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or required to be described in the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented which are not filed or incorporated by reference or described as required;

(xvi) provided that in lieu of the delivery of the opinion set forth in paragraph (iv) of this Section 7(c) as to The John Nuveen Company, such counsel may cause Alan G. Berkshire, Vice President and General Counsel to The John Nuveen Company, to deliver an opinion as to such matters, dated the Time of Delivery for such Securities.

(d) On the date of this Agreement and at the Time of Delivery for the Securities, KPMG LLP who have certified the financial statements of the Company and its subsidiaries included or incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement shall have furnished to the Representatives a letter, dated the effective date of the Registration Statement or the date of the most recent report filed with the Commission containing financial statements and incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement, if the date of such report is later than such effective date, and a letter dated the Time of Delivery, respectively and, with respect to such letter dated the Time of Delivery, as to such other matters as the Representatives may reasonably request and in form and substance satisfactory to the Representatives;

(e) (i) Neither the Company nor any of its Principal Subsidiaries shall have sustained since the date of the latest audited financial statements included or incorporated by reference in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented any loss or interference with its business from fire, explosion, flood or other calamity, whether or not covered by insurance, or from any labor dispute or court or governmental action, order or decree, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, and (ii) since the respective dates as of which information is given in the Prospectus as

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amended or supplemented there shall not have been any change in the capital stock or long-term debt of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole (other than any decrease in the capital stock resulting from purchases under the Company's Stock Repurchase Program and any increase in the capital stock resulting from the exercise of stock options or the issuance of restricted shares under the Company's stock incentive and employee compensation plans, or the conversion of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock) or any change, or any development involving a prospective change, in or affecting the general affairs, management, financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented relative to the Securities, the effect of which, in any such case described in clause (i) or
(ii), is in the judgment of the Representatives so material and adverse as to make it impracticable or inadvisable to proceed with the public offering or the delivery of the Securities on the terms and in the manner contemplated in the Prospectus;

(f) On or after the date of this Agreement(i) no downgrading shall have occurred in the rating accorded the Company's debt securities or the Company's financial strength or claims paying ability by any "nationally recognized statistical rating organization," as that term is defined by the Commission for purposes of Rule 436(g)(2) under the Act and (ii) other than as disclosed in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, no such organization shall have publicly announced or otherwise given notice to the Company that it has under surveillance, review or watch, with possible negative implications, its rating of any of the Company's debt securities or the Company's financial strength or claims paying ability, or of any review for a possible change therein that does not indicate the direction of the possible change;

(g) On or after the date of this Agreement there shall not have occurred any of the following: (i) a suspension or material limitation in trading in securities generally on the New York Stock Exchange; (ii) a suspension or material limitation in trading the Company's securities on the New York Stock Exchange; (iii) a general moratorium on commercial banking activities in New York declared by either Federal or New York State authorities or a material

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disruption in the commercial banking or securities settlement or clearance services in the United States; or (iv) the outbreak or escalation of hostilities involving the United States or the declaration by the United States of a national emergency or war or the occurrence of any other calamity or crisis or change in financial, political or economic conditions in the United States or elsewhere if the effect of any such event specified in this clause (iv) in the judgment of the Representatives makes it impracticable or inadvisable to proceed with the public offering or the delivery of the Securities on the terms and in the manner contemplated in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(h) The Company shall have furnished or caused to be furnished to the Representatives at the Time of Delivery for the Securities a certificate or certificates of officers of the Company satisfactory to the Representatives as to the accuracy of the representations and warranties of the Company herein at and as of such Time of Delivery, as to the performance by the Company of all of its obligations hereunder to be performed at or prior to such Time of Delivery, as to the matters set forth in subsections (a) and (f) of this Section and as to such other matters as the Representatives may reasonably request.

8. (a) The Company will indemnify and hold harmless each Underwriter against any losses, claims, damages or liabilities, joint or several, to which such Underwriter may become subject, under the Act or otherwise, insofar as such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) arise out of or are based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement of a material fact contained in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any amendment or supplement thereto, or arise out of or are based upon the omission or alleged omission to state therein a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, and will reimburse each Underwriter for any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by such Underwriter in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim as such expenses are incurred; provided, however,

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that the Company shall not be liable in any such case to the extent that any such loss, claim, damage or liability arises out of or is based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission made in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any such amendment or supplement in reliance upon and in conformity with written information furnished to the Company by any Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented relating to such Securities; and provided, further, that the Company shall not be liable to any Underwriter under the indemnity agreement in this subsection (a) with respect to any Preliminary Prospectus to the extent that any such loss, claim, damage or liability of such Underwriter results from the fact such Underwriter sold Securities to a person to whom there was not sent or given, at or prior to the written confirmation of such sale, a copy of the Prospectus (excluding documents incorporated by reference) or of the Prospectus as then amended or supplemented (excluding documents incorporated by reference) in any case where such delivery is required by the Act if the Company has previously furnished copies thereof to such Underwriter and the loss, claim, damage or liability of such Underwriter results from an untrue statement or omission of a material fact contained in the Preliminary Prospectus which was corrected in the Prospectus (or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented).

(b) Each Underwriter will indemnify and hold harmless the Company against any losses, claims, damages or liabilities to which the Company may become subject, under the Act or otherwise, insofar as such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) arise out of or are based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement of a material fact contained in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any amendment or supplement thereto, or arise out of or are based upon the omission or alleged omission to state therein a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, in each case to the extent, but only to the

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extent, that such untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission was made in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any such amendment or supplement in reliance upon and in conformity with written information furnished to the Company by such Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use therein; and will reimburse the Company for any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by the Company in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim as such expenses are incurred.

(c) Promptly after receipt by an indemnified party under subsection (a) or (b) above of notice of the commencement of any action, such indemnified party shall, if a claim in respect thereof is to be made against the indemnifying party under such subsection, notify the indemnifying party in writing of the commencement thereof; but the omission so to notify the indemnifying party shall not relieve it from any liability which it may have to any indemnified party otherwise than under such subsection. In case any such action shall be brought against any indemnified party and it shall notify the indemnifying party of the commencement thereof, the indemnifying party shall be entitled to participate therein and, to the extent that it shall wish, jointly with any other indemnifying party similarly notified, to assume the defense thereof, with counsel satisfactory to such indemnified party (who shall not, except with the consent of the indemnified party, be counsel to the indemnifying party), and, after notice from the indemnifying party to such indemnified party of its election so to assume the defense thereof, the indemnifying party shall not be liable to such indemnified party under such subsection for any legal expenses of other counsel or any other expenses, in each case subsequently incurred by such indemnified party, in connection with the defense thereof other than reasonable costs of investigation. No indemnifying party shall, without the written consent of the indemnified party, effect the settlement or compromise of, or consent to the entry of any judgment with respect to, any pending or threatened action or claim in respect of which indemnification or contribution may be sought hereunder (whether or not the indemnified party is an actual or potential party to such

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action or claim) unless such settlement, compromise or judgment (i) includes an unconditional release of the indemnified party from all liability arising out of such action or claim and (ii) does not include a statement as to, or an admission of, fault, culpability or a failure to act, by or on behalf of any indemnified party.

(d) If the indemnification provided for in this Section 8 is unavailable to or insufficient to hold harmless an indemnified party under subsection (a) or (b) above in respect of any losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) referred to therein, then each indemnifying party shall contribute to the amount paid or payable by such indemnified party as a result of such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) in such proportion as is appropriate to reflect the relative benefits received by the Company on the one hand and the Underwriters of the Securities on the other from the offering of the Securities to which such loss, claim, damage or liability (or action in respect thereof) relates. If, however, the allocation provided by the immediately preceding sentence is not permitted by applicable law or if the indemnified party failed to give the notice required under subsection (c) above, then each indemnifying party shall contribute to such amount paid or payable by such indemnified party in such proportion as is appropriate to reflect not only such relative benefits but also the relative fault of the Company on the one hand and the Underwriters of the Securities on the other in connection with the statements or omissions which resulted in such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof), as well as any other relevant equitable considerations. The relative benefits received by the Company on the one hand and such Underwriters on the other shall be deemed to be in the same proportion as the total net proceeds from such offering (before deducting expenses) received by the Company bear to the total underwriting discounts and commissions received by such Underwriters. The relative fault shall be determined by reference to, among other things, whether the untrue or alleged untrue statement of a material fact or the omission or alleged omission to state a material fact relates to information supplied by the Company on the one hand or such Underwriters on the other and the parties' relative intent, knowledge, access to information and opportunity to correct or prevent such statement or

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omission. The Company and the Underwriters agree that it would not be just and equitable if contribution pursuant to this subsection (d) were determined by pro rata allocation (even if the Underwriters were treated as one entity for such purpose) or by any other method of allocation which does not take account of the equitable considerations referred to above in this subsection (d). The amount paid or payable by an indemnified party as a result of the losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) referred to above in this subsection (d) shall be deemed to include any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by such indemnified party in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim. Notwithstanding the provisions of this subsection (d), no Underwriter shall be required to contribute any amount in excess of the amount by which the total price at which the applicable Securities underwritten by it and distributed to the public were offered to the public exceeds the amount of any damages which such Underwriter has otherwise been required to pay by reason of such untrue or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission. No person guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation (within the meaning of Section 11(f) of the Act) shall be entitled to contribution from any person who was not guilty of such fraudulent misrepresentation. The obligations of the Underwriters of the Securities in this subsection (d) to contribute are several in proportion to their respective underwriting obligations with respect to such Securities and not joint.

(e) The obligations of the Company under this Section 8 shall be in addition to any liability which the Company may otherwise have and shall extend, upon the same terms and conditions, to each person, if any, who controls any Underwriter within the meaning of the Act; and the obligations of the Underwriters under this Section 8 shall be in addition to any liability which the respective Underwriters may otherwise have and shall extend, upon the same terms and conditions, to each officer and director of the Company and to each person, if any, who controls the Company within the meaning of the Act.

9. (a) If any Underwriter shall default in its obligation to purchase the Securities which it has agreed to purchase hereunder, the Representatives may in their discretion arrange for themselves or another party or other

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parties to purchase such Securities on the terms contained herein. If within thirty-six hours after such default by any Underwriter the Representatives do not arrange for the purchase of such Securities, then the Company shall be entitled to a further period of thirty-six hours within which to procure another party or other parties satisfactory to the Representatives to purchase such Securities on such terms. In the event that, within the respective prescribed period, the Representatives notify the Company that they have so arranged for the purchase of such Securities, or the Company notifies the Representatives that it has so arranged for the purchase of such Securities, the Representatives or the Company shall have the right to postpone the Time of Delivery for such Securities for a period of not more than seven days, in order to effect whatever changes may thereby be made necessary in the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, or in any other documents or arrangements, and the Company agrees to file promptly any amendments or supplements to the Registration Statement or the Prospectus which in the opinion of the Representatives may thereby be made necessary. The term "Underwriter" as used in this Agreement shall include any person substituted under this Section with like effect as if such person had originally been a party to this Agreement.

(b) If, after giving effect to any arrangements for the purchase of the Securities of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters by the Representatives and the Company as provided in subsection (a) above, the aggregate principal amount of such Securities which remains unpurchased does not exceed one-tenth of the aggregate principal amount of the Securities, then the Company shall have the right to require each non-defaulting Underwriter to purchase the principal amount of Securities which such Underwriter agreed to purchase under this Agreement and, in addition, to require each non-defaulting Underwriter to purchase its pro rata share (based on the principal amount of Securities which such Underwriter agreed to purchase under this Agreement) of the Securities of such defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters for which such arrangements have not been made; but nothing herein shall relieve a defaulting Underwriter from liability for its default.

(c) If, after giving effect to any arrangements for the purchase of the Securities of a defaulting

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Underwriter or Underwriters by the Representatives and the Company as provided in subsection (a) above, the aggregate principal amount of Securities which remains unpurchased exceeds one-tenth of the aggregate principal amount of the Securities, as referred to in subsection (b) above, or if the Company shall not exercise the right described in subsection (b) above to require non-defaulting Underwriters to purchase Securities of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters, then this Agreement shall thereupon terminate, without liability on the part of any non-defaulting Underwriter or the Company, except for the expenses to be borne by the Company and the Underwriters as provided in Section 6 hereof and the indemnity and contribution agreements in Section 8 hereof; but nothing herein shall relieve a defaulting Underwriter from liability for its default.

10. The respective indemnities, agreements, representations, warranties and other statements of the Company and the several Underwriters, as set forth in this Agreement or made by or on behalf of them, respectively, pursuant to this Agreement, shall remain in full force and effect, regardless of any investigation (or any statement as to the results thereof) made by or on behalf of any Underwriter or any controlling person of any Underwriter, or the Company, or any officer or director or controlling person of the Company, and shall survive delivery of and payment for the Securities.

11. If this Agreement shall be terminated pursuant to Section 9 hereof, the Company shall not then be under any liability to any Underwriter with respect to the Securities covered by this Agreement except as provided in
Section 6 and Section 8 hereof; but, if for any other reason Securities are not delivered by or on behalf of the Company as provided herein, the Company will reimburse the Underwriters through the Representatives for all out-of-pocket expenses approved in writing by the Representatives, including fees and disbursements of counsel, reasonably incurred by the Underwriters in making preparations for the purchase, sale and delivery of such Securities, but the Company shall then be under no further liability to any Underwriter with respect to such Securities except as provided in Section 6 and Section 8 hereof.

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12. In all dealings hereunder, the Representatives of the Underwriters shall act on behalf of each of such Underwriters, and the parties hereto shall be entitled to act and rely upon any statement, request, notice or agreement on behalf of any Underwriter made or given by such Representatives jointly or by such of the Representatives, if any, as may be designated for such purpose in this Agreement

(i) All statements, requests, notices and agreements hereunder shall be in writing, and if to the Underwriters shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to the address of the Representatives in care of
[ ]; and if to the Company shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to the address of the Company set forth in the Registration Statement: Attention: Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., Senior Vice President; provided, however, that any notice to an Underwriter pursuant to Section 8(c) hereof shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to such Underwriter at its address set forth in its Underwriters' Questionnaire, or telex constituting such Questionnaire, which address will be supplied to the Company by the Representatives upon request. Any such statements, requests, notices or agreements shall take effect upon receipt thereof.

13. This Agreement shall be binding upon, and inure solely to the benefit of, the Underwriters, the Company and, to the extent provided in
Section 8 and Section 10 hereof, the officers and directors of the Company and each person who controls the Company or any Underwriter, and their respective heirs, executors, administrators, successors and assigns, and no other person shall acquire or have any right under or by virtue of this Agreement. No purchaser of any of the Securities from any Underwriter shall be deemed a successor or assign by reason merely of such purchase.

14. Time shall be of the essence of this Agreement. As used herein, "business day" shall mean any day when the Commission's office in Washington, D.C. is open for business.

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15. This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.

16. This Agreement may be executed by any one or more of the parties hereto and thereto in any number of counterparts, each of which shall be deemed to be an original, but all such respective counterparts shall together constitute one and the same instrument.

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If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please sign and return to us four counterparts hereof.

Very truly yours,

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By:

Name:


Title:

Accepted as of the date hereof:

[UNDERWRITERS]

BY: [REPRESENTATIVE]

By:
Name:
Title:

On behalf of each of the Underwriters

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SCHEDULE I

                                                                                PRINCIPAL
                                                                                AMOUNT OF
                                                                               SECURITIES
                                                                                 TO BE
                                        UNDERWRITER                             PURCHASED
                                        -----------                             ---------
[UNDERWRITER] ...............................................................   $
[UNDERWRITER] ...............................................................
[UNDERWRITER] ...............................................................

                  Total......................................................
                                                                                ----------
                                                                                $
                                                                                ==========

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Exhibit 1.5

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II
____% [PREFERRED SECURITIES]
($__ STATED LIQUIDATION AMOUNT)


Underwriting Agreement

[Date]

[UNDERWRITERS]
[As representatives of the several Underwriters named in Schedule 1 hereto,]
[c/o NAME]
[ADDRESS]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

The St. Paul Companies, Inc. (the "Company"), a Minnesota corporation, and St. Paul Capital Trust II (the "Trust"), a statutory business trust created under the Business Trust Act of the State of Delaware (the "Delaware Business Trust Act") propose that the Trust issue and sell to the firms named in Schedule I hereto (such firms constituting the "Underwriters") its [ ]% Trust Preferred Securities (the "Firm Securities"), representing undivided preferred beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust, which will be guaranteed by the Company (the "Guarantee") as to the payment of distributions, and as to payments on liquidation or redemption, to the extent that the Trust has funds on hand legally available therefor, as set forth in a Preferred Securities Guarantee Agreement (the "Guarantee Agreement") between the Company and JPMorgan Chase Bank, as trustee (the "Guarantee Trustee"). In addition, subject to the terms and conditions herein, the Company and the Trust propose to grant the Underwriters an option to purchase up to [ ] additional
[ ]% Trust Preferred Securities (the "Optional Securities"). The Firm Securities and the Optional Securities are herein called the "Securities".


The proceeds of the sale of the Securities and the common securities of the Trust (the "Common Trust Securities" and, together with the Securities, the "Trust Securities") to be sold by the Trust to the Company are to be invested in [ ]% Junior Subordinated Debentures due [ ], 200[ ](the "Debentures") of the Company to be issued pursuant to an Indenture (the "Indenture") between the Company and JPMorgan Chase Bank, as trustee (the "Trustee"). The Trust Securities will be issued pursuant to, and governed by the Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust, dated as of [ ], 200[ ] (the "Declaration") among the Company, Chase Manhattan Bank USA, National Association, as the Delaware Trustee (the "Delaware Trustee"), JPMorgan Chase Bank, as the institutional trustee, and the administrative trustees named therein. The Declaration, the Indenture and the Guarantee Agreement will be qualified under the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended (the "Trust Indenture Act").

1. The Company and the Trust, jointly and severally represent and warrant to, and agree with, each of the Underwriters that:

(a) A registration statement on Form S-3, as amended (File No.
[o]), the "Initial Registration Statement") in respect of the Securities, the Debentures and the Guarantee has been filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission (the "Commission"); the Initial Registration Statement and any post-effective amendment thereto, each in the form heretofore delivered or to be delivered to the Representatives and, excluding exhibits to the Initial Registration Statement, but including all documents incorporated by reference in the prospectus included in the latest registration statement, to the Representatives for each of the other Underwriters, have been declared effective by the Commission in such form; other than a registration statement, if any, increasing the size of the offering (a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement"), filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Act"), which became effective upon filing, no other document with respect to the Initial Registration Statement or documents incorporated by reference therein has heretofore been filed or transmitted for filing with the Commission (other than prospectuses filed pursuant to Rule 424(b) of the rules and regulations of the Commission

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under the Act, each in the form heretofore delivered to the Representatives); and no stop order suspending the effectiveness of any Initial Registration Statement, any post-effective amendment thereto, or the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, has been issued and no proceeding for that purpose has been initiated or threatened by the Commission (any preliminary prospectus included in the Initial Registration Statements or filed with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(a) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Act"), is hereinafter called a "Preliminary Prospectus"); the various parts of the Initial Registration Statements, any post-effective amendment thereto, and the Rule
462(b) Registration Statements, if any, including all exhibits thereto and the documents incorporated by reference in the prospectus contained in the Initial Registration Statement, at the time such part of the Initial Registration Statements became effective but excluding Form T-l, each as amended at the time such part of the Initial Registration Statement became effective or such part of the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement, if any, became or hereafter becomes effective, are hereinafter called the "Registration Statement"; the prospectus relating to the Securities, in the form in which it has most recently been filed, or transmitted for filing, with the Commission on or prior to the date of this Agreement, being hereinafter called the "Prospectus"; any reference herein to any Preliminary Prospectus or the Prospectus shall be deemed to refer to and include the documents incorporated by reference therein pursuant to the applicable form under the Act, as of the date of such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be; any reference to any amendment or supplement to any Preliminary Prospectus or the Prospectus shall be deemed to refer to and include any documents filed after the date of such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be, under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended (the "Exchange Act"), and incorporated by reference in such Preliminary Prospectus or Prospectus, as the case may be; any reference to any amendment to the Initial Registration Statements shall be deemed to refer to and include any annual report of the Company filed pursuant to Sections 13(a) or 15(d) of the Exchange Act after the effective date of the Initial Registration Statement that is incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement; and any reference to the Prospectus as amended or supplemented shall be deemed to refer to and include the Prospectus as amended or

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supplemented in relation to the applicable Securities to be sold pursuant to this Agreement, in the form filed or transmitted for filing with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(b) under the Act and in accordance with Section 5(a) hereof (including any documents incorporated by reference therein as of the date of such filing);

(b) The documents incorporated by reference in the Prospectus, when they became effective or were filed with the Commission, as the case may be, conformed in all material respects to the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder, and none of such documents contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; and any further documents so filed and incorporated by reference in the Prospectus or any further amendment or supplement thereto, when such documents become effective or are filed with the Commission, as the case may be, will conform in all material respects to the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder and will not contain an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; provided, however, that this representation and warranty shall not apply to any statements or omissions made in reliance upon and in conformity with information furnished in writing to the Company by an Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented relating to the Securities;

(c) The Registration Statement and the Prospectus conform, and any further amendments or supplements to the Registration Statement or the Prospectus will conform, in all material respects to the requirements of the Act and the Trust Indenture Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder and do not and will not, as of the applicable effective date as to the Registration Statement and any amendment thereto and as of the applicable filing date as to the Prospectus and any amendment or supplement thereto, contain an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state a material

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fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading; provided, however, that this representation and warranty shall not apply to any statements or omissions made in reliance upon and in conformity with information furnished in writing to the Company by an Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented relating to the Securities;

(d) Neither the Trust, the Company nor any of its subsidiaries has sustained since the date of the latest audited financial statements included or incorporated by reference in the Prospectus any direct loss or interference with its business from fire, explosion, flood or other calamity, whether or not covered by insurance, or from any labor dispute or court or governmental action, order or decree, which is material to the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus; and, since the respective dates as of which information is given in the Registration Statement and the Prospectus, there has not been any change in the capital stock or long-term debt of the Trust or the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole (other than any decrease in the capital stock resulting from purchases by the Company under its Stock Repurchase Program and any increase resulting from the exercise of stock options or the issuance of restricted shares under the Company's stock incentive and employee compensation plans, or the conversion of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock) or any material adverse change, or any development involving a prospective material adverse change, in or affecting the general affairs, management, financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Trust or the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(e) The Trust has been duly formed and is validly existing as a statutory business trust in good standing under the Delaware Business Trust Act with the power and authority (trust and other) to enter into this Agreement, to own property and to conduct its business as described in the Prospectus, and has conducted and will conduct no business other than the transactions contemplated by this Agreement and the Declaration and as

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described in the Prospectus, as amended or supplemented; the Trust is not a party to or bound by any agreement or instrument other than this Agreement, the Declaration, and the agreements and instruments contemplated by the Declaration and described in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented; the Trust has no liabilities or obligations other than those arising out of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement and the Declaration and described in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented; based on expected operations and current law, the Trust is not and will not be classified as an association taxable as a corporation for United States federal income tax purposes; the Trust is not a party to or subject to any action, suit or proceeding of any nature;

(f) The Company has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of the State of Minnesota, with power and authority (corporate and other) to own its properties and conduct its business as described in the Prospectus, and has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each other jurisdiction in which it owns or leases properties, or conducts any business, so as to require such qualification, and is not subject to any material liability or disability by reason of the failure to be so qualified in any such jurisdiction; and each of the Company's principal subsidiaries (hereinafter called "Principal Subsidiaries"), namely St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and The John Nuveen Company, has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of its jurisdiction of incorporation and has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each other jurisdiction in which it owns or leases properties, or conducts any business, so as to require such qualification;

(g) The Company has an authorized capitalization as set forth in the Prospectus, and all of the issued shares of capital stock of the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued and are fully paid and non-assessable; all of the issued shares of capital stock of each of St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and The John Nuveen

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Company held directly or indirectly by the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued, are fully paid and non-assessable; (except as disclosed in the Registration Statement) all shares of the capital stock of such subsidiaries are owned directly or indirectly by the Company, free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, equities or claims; and all of the outstanding beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust have been duly authorized and issued, are fully-paid and non-assessable and conform to the description thereof contained in the Prospectus;

(h) The Securities have been duly and validly authorized by the Trust, and, when issued and delivered against payment therefor as provided herein, will be duly and validly issued and fully paid and non-assessable undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust and will conform to the description thereof contained in the Prospectus; the issuance of the Securities is not subject to preemptive or other similar rights; the Securities will have the rights set forth in the Declaration; the holders of the Securities will be entitled to the same limitation of personal liability extended to stockholders of private corporations for profit organized under the General Corporation Law of the State of Delaware;

(i) The Common Trust Securities have been duly and validly authorized by the Company and upon delivery at each Time of Delivery (as defined herein) by the Trust to the Company against payment therefor as described in the Prospectus, will be duly and validly issued and fully paid and non-assessable undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust and will conform to the description thereof contained in the Prospectus; the issuance of the Common Trust Securities is not subject to preemptive or other similar rights; at each Time of Delivery, all of the issued and outstanding Common Trust Securities of the Trust will be directly owned by the Company free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, security interests, equities or claims; the Common Trust Securities will have the rights set forth in the Declaration; and the Trust Securities are the only interests authorized to be issued by the Trust;

(j) The Debentures have been duly authorized by the Company, and, when the Debentures are issued and delivered pursuant to this Agreement, they will be duly

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executed, authenticated, issued and delivered and will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company entitled to the benefits provided by the Indenture; the Indenture has been duly authorized and, when validly executed and delivered by the Company and the Trustee, and when duly qualified under the Trust Indenture Act, at the Time of Delivery for the Firm Securities (as defined in Section 3 hereof), will constitute a valid and legally binding instrument, enforceable in accordance with its terms, subject, as to enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization and other laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles; the Guarantee Agreement and the Declaration have each been duly authorized and each, when validly executed and delivered by the Company and (i) in the case of the Guarantee Agreement, by the Guarantee Trustee and (ii) in the case of the Declaration, by the Institutional Trustee and the Delaware Trustee, will constitute a valid and legally binding instrument, enforceable in accordance with its terms, subject, as to enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization and other laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles; and the Indenture, the Guarantee Agreement and the Declaration conform, and the Debentures will conform, to the descriptions thereof contained in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(k) The issue and sale of the Debentures underlying the Trust Securities by the Company, the compliance by the Company with all of the provisions of this Agreement, the Guarantee Agreement, the Declaration and the Indenture, and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or by which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is bound or to which any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is subject, nor will such action result in any violation of the provisions of the Restated Articles of Incorporation, as amended, or the By-laws, as amended, of the Company or any statute or any order, rule or regulation of any court or governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the

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Company or any of its subsidiaries or any of their properties; and no consent, approval, authorization, order, registration or qualification of or with any such court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Debentures underlying the Trust Securities by the Company, or the consummation by the Company of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement, the Indenture, the Guarantee Agreement and the Declaration, except such as have been, or will have been prior to the Time of Delivery, obtained under the Act and the Trust Indenture Act and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Securities by the Underwriters;

(l) The issue and sale of the Securities by the Trust, the purchase of the Debentures underlying the Trust Securities by the Trust, the compliance by the Trust with all of the provisions of this Agreement and the Declaration, and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument to which the Trust is a party or by which the Trust is bound or to which any of the property or assets of the Trust is subject, nor will such action result in any violation of the provisions of the Declaration or any statute or any order, rule or regulation of any court or governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Trust or any of its properties; and no consent, approval, authorization, order, registration or qualification of or with any such court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Trust Securities by the Trust, the purchase of the Debentures underlying such Trust Securities by the Trust or the consummation by the Trust of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement and the Declaration, except such as have been, or will have been prior to the Time of Delivery, obtained under the Act and the Trust Indenture Act and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Securities by the Underwriters;

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(m) The Trust is not in violation of the Declaration, and as of each Time of Delivery, will not be in violation of the Declaration; neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries is in violation of its organizational documents; and neither the Trust nor the Company or any of its subsidiaries is in default in the performance or observance of any material obligation, agreement, covenant or condition contained in any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement, lease or other agreement or instrument to which it is a party or by which it or any of its properties is or may be bound;

(n) The statements set forth in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented under the captions "Description of the Preferred Securities that the Trust May Offer" and "Description of the Trust Guarantee", insofar as they purport to constitute a summary of the terms of the securities therein described, and, subject to the limitations set forth therein, under the caption "Certain Federal Income Tax Consequences", and under the caption "Underwriting" insofar as they purport to describe the provisions of the laws and documents referred to therein, are accurate, complete and fair;

(o) Other than as set forth in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, and other than litigation (none of which is reasonably likely to be material) incidental to the kinds of business conducted by the Company and its subsidiaries, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to which the Trust, the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party, or of which any property of the Trust, the Company or any of its subsidiaries is the subject, which, if determined adversely to the Trust, the Company or any of its subsidiaries, would individually or in the aggregate (after giving effect to any applicable insurance, reinsurance or reserves therefor) have a material adverse effect on the current or future consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Trust or the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole; and, to the best of the Company's knowledge, no such proceedings are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

(p) Neither the Company nor the Trust is and, after giving effect to the sale of the Securities

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hereunder, neither the Company nor the Trust will be, an "investment company" or an entity "controlled" by an "investment company", as such terms are defined in the Investment Company Act of 1940, as amended (the "Investment Company Act");

(q) Immediately after any sale of Securities by the Trust hereunder, the aggregate amount of Securities which shall have been issued and sold by the Trust hereunder that shall have been issued and sold pursuant to the Registration Statement will not exceed the aggregate stated liquidation amount of trust securities registered under the Registration Statement; and

(r) KPMG LLP, who have certified certain financial statements of the Company and its subsidiaries, are independent public accountants as required by the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder.

2. Subject to the terms and conditions herein set forth, (a) the Company and the Trust agree that the Trust will sell to each of the Underwriters, and each of the Underwriters, severally and not jointly, agrees to purchase from the Trust, at a purchase price of $[ ] per Firm Security, the number of Firm Securities set forth opposite the name of such Underwriter in Schedule 1 hereto, and (b) in the event and to the extent that the Underwriters shall exercise their election to purchase Optional Securities as provided in the paragraph below, the Company and the Trust agree that the Trust will sell to each of the Underwriters and each of the Underwriters agrees, severally and not jointly, to purchase from the Trust at the purchase price set forth in clause (a) of this paragraph, a number of Optional Securities (to be adjusted by you to eliminate fractional Securities) determined by multiplying such number of Optional Securities by a fraction, the numerator of which is the maximum number of Optional Securities set forth opposite the name of such Underwriter in Schedule I hereto and the denominator of which is the maximum number of Optional Securities set forth in total opposite the names of all such Underwriters in Schedule I hereto.

The Company and the Trust, as and to the extent indicated in Schedule I hereto, hereby grant, severally and not jointly, to the Underwriters the right to purchase at their election up to [ ] Optional Securities, at the

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purchase price per Security set forth in clause (a) of the paragraph above, for the sole purpose of covering overallotments in the sale of Firm Securities. Any such election to purchase Optional Securities may be exercised only by written notice from the Representatives to the Company and the Trust, given within a period of 15 calendar days after the date of this Agreement and setting forth the aggregate number of Optional Securities to be purchased and the date on which such Optional Securities are to be delivered, as determined by the Representatives but in no event earlier than the First Time of Delivery (as defined in Section 4 hereof) or, unless the Representatives and the Company otherwise agree in writing, earlier than two or later than ten business days after the date of such notice.

3. Upon the authorization by the Representatives of the release of the Firm Securities, the several Underwriters propose to offer such Firm Securities for sale upon the terms and conditions set forth in the Prospectus.

4. The Securities to be purchased by each Underwriter hereunder shall be delivered by or on behalf of the Trust to the Representatives, on behalf of the Underwriters, through the facilities of The Depository Trust Company ("DTC") or its designated custodian for the account of such Underwriter, against payment by or on behalf of such Underwriter of the purchase price therefore by wire transfer of Federal (same-day) funds to the account specified by the Trust. The Trust will cause the certificates representing the Securities to be made available for checking and packaging at least twenty-four hours prior to the Time of Delivery (defined below) with respect thereto at the office of DTC or its designated custodian (the "Designated Office"). The time and date of such delivery shall be, for the Firm Shares, [ ], 200[ ], at 9:30 a.m. New York City time or such other time that the Representatives and the Company may agree upon in writing, and with respect to the Optional Shares, at 9:30 a.m. New York City time, on the date specified by the Representatives in the written notice given by the Representatives of the Underwriters' election to purchase such purchase such Optional Securities, or such other time and date as the Representatives, the Company and the Trust may agree upon in writing. Such time and date for delivery of the Firm Shares is herein called the "First Time of Delivery", such time and date for the delivery of the

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Optional Shares, if not the First Time of Delivery, is herein called the "Second Time of Delivery", and each such time and date for delivery is herein called a "Time of Delivery".

At each Time of Delivery, the Trust or the Company will pay, or cause to be paid, the commission payable at such Time of Delivery to the Underwriters under Section 2 hereof by wire transfer of Federal (same-day) funds to the account specified by the Representatives.

5. The Company and the Trust, jointly and severally, agree with each of the Underwriters:

(a) To prepare the Prospectus in a form approved by the Representatives and to file such Prospectus pursuant to Rule 424(b) under the Act not later than the Commission's close of business on the second business day following the execution and delivery of this Agreement or, if applicable, such earlier time as may be required by Rule 430A(a)(3); to make no further amendment or any supplement to the Registration Statement or Prospectus prior to the last Time of Delivery for such Securities which shall be disapproved by the Representatives for such Securities promptly after reasonable notice thereof; to advise the Representatives promptly of any such amendment or supplement after such Time of Delivery and furnish the Representatives with copies thereof; to file promptly all reports and any definitive proxy or information statements required to be filed by the Company with the Commission pursuant to Sections 13(a), 13(c), 14 or 15(d) of the Exchange Act for so long as the delivery of a prospectus is required in connection with the offering or sale of such Securities, and during such same period to advise the Representatives, promptly after it receives notice thereof, of the time when any amendment to the Registration Statement has been filed or becomes effective or any supplement to the Prospectus or any amended Prospectus has been filed with the Commission, of the issuance by the Commission of any stop order or of any order preventing or suspending the use of any prospectus relating to the Securities, of the suspension of the qualification of such Securities for offering or sale in any jurisdiction, of the initiation or threatening of any proceeding for any such purpose, or of any request by the Commission for the amending or supplementing of the Registration Statement or

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Prospectus or for additional information; and, in the event of the issuance of any such stop order or of any such order preventing or suspending the use of any prospectus relating to the Securities or suspending any such qualification, to promptly use its best efforts to obtain the withdrawal of such order;

(b) Promptly from time to time to take such action as the Representatives may reasonably request to qualify such Securities for offering and sale under the securities or Blue Sky laws of such jurisdictions within the United States as the Representatives may request and to continue such qualifications in effect for so long as required to complete the distribution of such Securities, provided that in connection therewith neither the Company nor the Trust shall be required to qualify as a foreign corporation or to file a general consent to service of process in any jurisdiction;

(c) To furnish the Representatives with copies of the Prospectus as amended or supplemented in such quantities as the Representatives may from time to time reasonably request, and, if the delivery of a prospectus is required at any time in connection with the offering or sale of the Securities and if at such time any event shall have occurred as a result of which the Prospectus as then amended or supplemented would include an untrue statement of a material fact or omit to state any material fact necessary in order to make the statements therein, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made when such Prospectus is delivered, not misleading, or, if for any other reason it shall be necessary during such same period to amend or supplement the Prospectus or to file under the Exchange Act any document incorporated by reference in the Prospectus in order to comply with the Act, the Exchange Act or the Trust Indenture Act, to notify the Representatives and upon their request to file such document and to prepare and furnish without charge to each Underwriter and to any dealer in securities as many copies as the Representatives may from time to time reasonably request of an amended Prospectus or a supplement to the Prospectus which will correct such statement or omission or effect such compliance;

(d) To make generally available to its security holders as soon as practicable, but in any event not later

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than eighteen months after the effective date of the Registration Statement (as defined in Rule 158(c) under the Act), an earnings statement of the Company and its subsidiaries (which need not be audited) complying with Section 11(a) of the Act and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder (including, at the option of the Company, Rule 158);

(e) If the Company and the Trust elect to rely upon Rule 462(b), the Company and the Trust shall file a Rule 462(b) Registration Statement with the Commission in compliance with Rule 462(b) by 10:00 P.M., Washington, D.C. time, on the date of this Agreement, and the Company shall at the time of filing either pay to the Commission the filing fee for the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement or give irrevocable instructions for the payment of such fee pursuant to Rule 111(b) under the Act;

(f) To use the net proceeds received by it from the sale of the Securities pursuant to this Agreement in the manner specified in the Prospectus under the caption "Use of Proceeds";

(g) To use their best efforts to list, subject to notice of issuance, the Securities on the New York Stock Exchange (the "Exchange"); and

(h) Not to invest, reinvest or otherwise use the proceeds received by the Trust and the Company in such a manner, or take any action, or omit to take any action, that would cause the Company or the Trust to become an "investment company" as that term is defined in the Investment Company Act.

6. The Company and the Trust, jointly and severally, covenant and agree with the several Underwriters that the Company or the Trust will pay or cause to be paid the following: (i) the fees, disbursements and expenses of the Company's counsel and accountants in connection with the registration of the Securities under the Act and all other expenses in connection with the preparation, printing and filing of the Registration Statement, any Preliminary Prospectus and the Prospectus and amendments and supplements thereto and the mailing and delivering of copies thereof to the Underwriters and dealers in the United States; (ii) the cost of printing or producing any

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Agreement among Underwriters, this Agreement, the Indenture, any Blue Sky and Legal Investment Memoranda, closing documents (including compilations thereof) and any other documents in connection with the offering, purchase, sale and delivery of the Securities; (iii) all expenses in connection with the qualification of the Securities for offering and sale under state securities laws as provided in Section 5(b) hereof, including the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Underwriters in connection with such qualification and in connection with the Blue Sky and Legal Investment Surveys; (iv) any fees charged by securities rating services for rating the Securities; (v) any filing fees incident to, and the fees and disbursements of counsel for the Underwriters in connection with, any required review by the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. of the terms of the sale of the Securities; (vi) all fees and expenses in connection with listing any of the Securities on the Exchange and the cost of registering the Securities under the Act (vii) the cost of preparing the Securities and the Debentures; (viii) the fees and expenses of each of the Institutional Trustee, the Delaware Trustee, the Guarantee Trustees, and the trustee under the Indenture and any agent of any such trustee and the fees and disbursements of counsel for any such trustee in connection with the Indenture and the Securities; (ix) the cost and charges of any transfer agent or registrar; (x) the cost and charges of DTC; and (xi) all other costs and expenses incident to the performance of its obligations hereunder which are not otherwise specifically provided for in this Section. It is understood, however, that, except as provided in this Section, and Sections 8 and 11 hereof, the Underwriters will pay all of their own costs and expenses, including the fees of their counsel, transfer taxes on resale of any of the Securities by them, and any advertising expenses connected with any offers they may make.

7. The obligations of the Underwriters hereunder as to the Securities to be delivered at each Time of Delivery shall be subject, in the discretion of the Representatives, to the condition that all representations and warranties and other statements of the Company and the Trust herein are, at and as of such Time of Delivery, true and correct, the condition that the Company and the Trust shall have performed all of its and their obligations hereunder theretofore to be performed, and the following additional conditions:

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(a) The Prospectus as amended or supplemented shall have been filed with the Commission pursuant to Rule 424(b) within the applicable time period prescribed for such filing by the rules and regulations under the Act and in accordance with Section 5(a) hereof; if the Company and the Trust have elected to rely upon Rule 462(b), the Rule 462(b) Registration Statement shall have become effective by 10:00 P.M., Washington, D.C. time, on the date of this Agreement; no stop order suspending the effectiveness of the Registration Statement or any part thereof shall have been issued and no proceeding for that purpose shall have been initiated or threatened by the Commission; and all requests for additional information on the part of the Commission shall have been complied with to the Representatives' reasonable satisfaction;

(b) Sullivan & Cromwell shall have furnished to the Representatives such written opinion or opinions, dated the Time of Delivery for the Securities, with respect to the incorporation of the Company, the validity of the Debentures and the Guarantee, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus and other related matters as the Representatives may reasonably request, and such counsel shall have received such papers and information as they may reasonably request to enable them to pass upon such matters; provided that in respect of certain matters of Minnesota law, such counsel shall be entitled to rely upon an opinion or opinions of Bruce A. Backberg, Esq.;

(c) Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., Senior Vice President for the Company, or other counsel for the Company and the Trust acceptable to the Representatives, shall have furnished to the Representatives his written opinion, dated the Time of Delivery for the Securities, in form and substance satisfactory to the Representatives, to the effect that:

(i) The Company has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of the State of Minnesota, with corporate power and authority to own its properties and conduct its business as described in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

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(ii) The Company has an authorized share capital as set forth in the Prospectus and all of the issued shares of capital stock of the Company have been duly authorized and validly issued and are fully paid and non-assessable;

(iii) The Company has been duly qualified as a foreign corporation for the transaction of business and is in good standing under the laws of each jurisdiction in which, in such counsel's opinion, the Company is required to be so qualified or if the Company is not so qualified in any such state or jurisdiction, the failure to so qualify would not, considering all cases in the aggregate, involve a material risk to the business, properties, financial position or results of operation of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole;

(iv) Each of the Principal Subsidiaries has been duly incorporated and is validly existing as a corporation in good standing under the laws of its jurisdiction of incorporation; all of the issued shares of capital stock of each of St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company, United States Fidelity and Guaranty Company and approximately 78% of the issued shares of capital stock of The John Nuveen Company have been duly authorized and validly issued, are fully paid and non-assessable, and are owned directly or indirectly by the Company, free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, equities or claims (such counsel being entitled to rely in respect of the opinion in this clause upon opinions of local counsel and in respect of matters of fact upon certificates of officers of the Company or the Principal Subsidiaries, provided that such counsel shall state that he believes that both the Representatives and he are justified in relying upon such opinions and certificates);

(v) To such counsel's knowledge, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to

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which the Trust, the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or of which any property of the Trust, the Company or any of its subsidiaries is the subject, other than as set forth in the Prospectus, as amended or supplemented and other than litigation or proceedings (none of which is reasonably likely to be material) incident to the kinds of business conducted by the Company and its subsidiaries, which, if determined adversely to the Company or any of its subsidiaries, would individually or in the aggregate (after giving effect to any applicable insurance, reinsurance or reserves therefor) have a material adverse effect on the consolidated financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries, taken as a whole; and, to the best of such counsel's knowledge, no such proceedings are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

(vi) This Agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered by the Company and the Trust;

(vii) To such counsel's knowledge, the Trust is not a party to or bound by any agreement or instrument other than this Agreement, the Declaration, and the agreements and instruments contemplated by the Declaration and described in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented; to such counsel's knowledge, the Trust has no liabilities or obligations other than those arising out of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement and the Declaration and described in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented; to the best of such counsel's knowledge, there are no legal or governmental proceedings pending to which the Trust is a party or of which any property of the Trust is the subject and no such proceedings are threatened or contemplated by governmental authorities or threatened by others;

(viii) The Common Trust Securities conform to the description thereof contained in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented; and to

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such counsel's knowledge, all of the issued and outstanding Common Trust Securities of the Trust are directly owned by the Company free and clear of all liens, encumbrances, security interests, equities or claims;

(ix) Each of the Guarantee Agreement, the Indenture and the Debentures has been duly authorized and constitutes a valid and legally binding obligation of the Company, enforceable in accordance with its terms, subject, as to enforcement, to bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization, fraudulent transfer, fraudulent conveyance, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles (whether such principles are considered in a proceeding in equity or in law); the Declaration, the Indenture and the Guarantee Agreement have been duly qualified under the Trust Indenture Act; the Debentures are entitled to the benefits of the Indenture; and the Guarantee Agreement, the Declaration, the Indenture and the Debentures conform to the descriptions thereof in the Prospectus, as amended or supplemented;

(x) The issue and sale of the Securities and the Common Trust Securities by the Trust, the issue and sale of the Debentures underlying such Trust Securities by the Company, the compliance by the Company and the Trust, as applicable, with all of the provisions of this Agreement, the Guarantee Agreement, the Declaration and the Indenture and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument known to such counsel to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is a party or by which the Company or any of its subsidiaries is bound, or to which any of the property or assets of the Company or any of its subsidiaries is subject, nor will such actions

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result in any violation of the provisions of the Restated Articles of Incorporation or by-laws of the Company or the articles of incorporation or by-laws (or similar documents) of any of its subsidiaries or any statute or any order, rule or regulation known to such counsel of any court, insurance regulatory authority or other governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Company or any of its subsidiaries or any of their properties; no consent of or with any court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Securities and the Common Trust Securities by the Trust, the issue and sale of the Debentures underlying such Trust Securities by the Company, the compliance by the Company and the Trust, as applicable, with all of the provisions of this Agreement, the Guarantee Agreement, the Declaration or the Indenture or the consummation of the transactions herein or therein contemplated, except for (A) the registration under the Act of the Securities, the Debentures and the Guarantee, (B) the approval and registration of the Securities with the Exchange, which has been obtained, (C) such as have been obtained under the Trust Indenture Act and (D) such consents as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Securities by the Underwriters;

(xi) The issue and sale of the Securities by the Trust, the purchase of the Debentures underlying the Trust Securities by the Trust, the compliance by the Trust with all of the provisions of the Declaration and this Agreement, and the consummation of the transactions herein and therein contemplated will not conflict with or result in a breach or violation of any of the terms or provisions of, or constitute a default under, any indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement or other agreement or instrument known to such counsel to which the Trust is a party or by which the Trust is bound or to which any of the property or assets of the Trust is subject, nor will such action result in any violation of the provisions of the Declaration or

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any statute or any order, rule or regulation known to such counsel of any court, insurance regulatory authority, if applicable, or other governmental agency or body having jurisdiction over the Trust or any of its properties; and no consent of or filing with any such court, insurance regulatory authority or other governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Securities and the Common Trust Securities by the Trust, the purchase of the Debentures underlying such Trust Securities by the Trust or the consummation by the Trust of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement or the Declaration, except (A) the registration under the Act of the Securities, the Debentures and the Guarantee, (B) the approval and registration of the Securities with the Exchange, which has been obtained, (C) such as have been obtained under the Trust Indenture Act and (D) such consents as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Securities by the Underwriters;

(xii) Neither the Company nor any of its subsidiaries is in violation of its organizational documents or in default in the performance or observance of any obligation, agreement, covenant or condition contained in any material indenture, mortgage, deed of trust, loan agreement, lease or other agreement or instrument to which it is a party or by which it or any of its properties is or may be bound, except where any such default does not have or would not reasonably be expected to have a material adverse effect on the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole.

(xiii) No consent, approval, authorization, order, registration or qualification of or with any such court or governmental agency or body is required for the issue and sale of the Securities or the consummation by the Company of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement or the Indenture, except such as have been obtained under the Act and the Trust Indenture Act and such consents, approvals, authorizations, registrations or qualifications as may be required under state securities or Blue Sky laws in connection with the purchase and distribution of the Securities by the Underwriters;

(xiv) The statements set forth in the Prospectus under the captions "Description of the Preferred Securities that the Trust May Offer", and "Description of the Trust Guarantee", insofar as they purport to constitute a summary of the terms of the securities therein described, and, subject to the limitations set forth therein, under the caption "Underwriting" insofar as they

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purport to describe the provisions of the laws and documents referred to therein, are accurate, complete and fair;

(xv) Neither the Company nor the Trust is and, after giving effect to each offering and sale of the Securities will be, an "investment company" or an entity "controlled" by an "investment company", as such terms are defined in the Investment Company Act;

(xvi) The documents incorporated by reference in the Prospectus(other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion), when they became effective or were filed with the Commission, as the case may be, complied as to form in all material respects with the requirements of the Act or the Exchange Act, as applicable, and the rules and regulations of the Commission thereunder; and such counsel has no reason to believe that any of such documents, when they became effective or were so filed, as the case may be, contained, in the case of the registration statement which became effective under the Act, an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, or, in the case of other documents which were filed under the Act or the Exchange Act with the Commission, an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact necessary in order to make the statements therein, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made when such documents were so filed, not misleading; and

(xvii) The Registration Statement and the Prospectus and any further amendments and supplements thereto made by the Company and the Trust prior to the date of such opinion for the Securities (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) comply as to form in all material respects with the requirements of the Act and the Trust Indenture

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Act and the rules and regulations thereunder; such counsel has no reason to believe that, as of its effective date, the Registration Statement or any further amendment thereto made by the Company and the Trust prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading or that, as of its date, the Prospectus or any further amendment or supplement thereto made by the Company and the Trust prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contained an untrue statement of a material fact or omitted to state a material fact necessary to make the statements therein, in light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading or that, as of the date of such opinion, either the Registration Statement or the Prospectus or any further amendment or supplement thereto made by the Company and the Trust prior to the date of such opinion (other than the financial statements and related schedules therein, as to which such counsel need express no opinion) contains an untrue statement of a material fact or omits to state a material fact necessary to make the statements therein, in light of the circumstances in which they were made, not misleading; and such counsel does not know of any amendment to the Registration Statement required to be filed or any contracts or other documents of a character required to be filed as an exhibit to the Registration Statement or required to be incorporated by reference into the Prospectus as amended or supplemented or required to be described in the Registration Statement or the Prospectus which are not filed or incorporated by reference or described as required;

provided that in lieu of the delivery of the opinion set forth in paragraph (iv) of this Section 7(c) as to The John Nuveen Company, such

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counsel may cause Alan G. Berkshire, Vice President and General Counsel to The John Nuveen Company, to deliver an opinion as to such matters, dated the Time of Delivery for such Securities.

(d) Richards, Layton & Finger P.A., special Delaware counsel to the Trust, shall have furnished to the Representatives their written opinion, dated such Time of Delivery, in form and substance satisfactory to you to the effect that:

(i) The Trust has been duly formed and is validly existing in good standing as a business trust under the Delaware Business Trust Act.

(ii) The Declaration constitutes a valid and binding obligation of the Company and the trustees parties thereto (the "Declaration Trustees"), enforceable against the Company and the Declaration Trustees in accordance with its terms, and the terms of the Trust Securities, to the extent they are obligations of the Trust, are valid and binding obligations of the Trust in accordance with the terms of the Declaration, subject to the effect of (A) bankruptcy, insolvency, moratorium, receivership, reorganization, liquidation, fraudulent conveyance or transfer and other similar laws relating to or affecting the rights and remedies of creditors generally, (B) principles of equity, including applicable law relating to fiduciary duties (regardless of whether considered and applied in a proceeding in equity or at a law), and (C) applicable public policy with respect to provisions relating to indemnification or contribution.

(iii) Under the Delaware Business Trust Act and the Declaration, (A) the Trust has the requisite trust power and authority
(x) to own its properties and conduct its business, all as described under the captions "St. Paul Capital Trust I" in the Prospectus, (y) to issue and perform its obligations under the Securities, and (z) to execute and deliver, and perform its

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obligations under this Agreement, and (B) the execution and delivery by the Trust of this Agreement, and the performance by the Trust of its obligations hereunder, have been duly authorized by all requisite trust action on the part of the Trust. This Agreement has been duly executed and delivered by the Trust.

(iv) The Securities have been duly authorized by the Declaration and duly and validly issued and, subject to the qualifications set forth in this paragraph (iv), fully paid and nonassessable undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust. The holders of the Securities, as beneficial owners of the Trust, will be entitled to the same limitation of personal liability extended to stockholders of private corporations for profit organized under the General Corporation Law of the State of Delaware. Such counsel may note that the holders of the Securities may be obligated, pursuant to the Declaration, to make payments and provide indemnity and security as set forth in the Declaration.

(v) The Common Trust Securities have been duly authorized by the Declaration and validly issued and represent undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust.

(vi) Under the Declaration and the Delaware Business Trust Act, (A) the issuance of the Securities is not subject to preemptive rights to subscribe for additional Securities or Common Trust Securities, and (B) the Securities are the only interests in the assets of the Trust authorized to be issued by the Trust.

(vii) The issuance and sale by the Trust of the Securities in accordance with the Declaration, the execution, delivery and performance by the Trust of this Agreement, the consummation by the Trust of the transactions contemplated by the Declaration, the Securities and this Agreement, and the compliance by the Trust with its obligations hereunder and

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thereunder are not prohibited by (A) the Trust's certificate of trust or the Declaration, or (B) any applicable Delaware statute or administrative regulation.

(viii) No authorization, approval, consent or order of any Delaware governmental authority or Delaware agency is required to be obtained, and no filing or registration with any Delaware governmental authority or Delaware agency is required to be made, by the Trust solely in connection with the issuance and sale by the Trust of the Securities.

(e) Sullivan & Cromwell, special tax counsel for the Company and the Trust, shall have furnished to the Representatives their written opinion, dated such Time of Delivery, in form and substance satisfactory to you, to the effect that the discussion set forth in the Prospectus under the heading "Certain Federal Income Tax Consequences", insofar as it relates to matters of United States federal income tax law, is accurate in all material respects;

(f) On the date of this Agreement and at the Time of Delivery for such Securities, the independent accountants of the Company who have certified the financial statements of the Company and its subsidiaries included or incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement shall have furnished to the Representatives a letter, dated the effective date of the Registration Statement or the date of the most recent report filed with the Commission containing financial statements and incorporated by reference in the Registration Statement, if the date of such report is later than such effective date, and a letter dated such Time of Delivery, respectively and, with respect to such letter dated such Time of Delivery, as to such other matters as the Representatives may reasonably request and in form and substance satisfactory to the Representatives;

(g) (i) Neither the Trust, the Company nor any of its Principal Subsidiaries shall have sustained since the date of the latest audited financial statements included or incorporated by reference in the Prospectus any loss or interference with its business from fire,

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explosion, flood or other calamity, whether or not covered by insurance, or from any labor dispute or court or governmental action, order or decree, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus, and since the respective dates as of which information is given in the Prospectus there shall not have been any change in the capital stock or long-term debt of the Trust, the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole (other than any decrease in the capital stock resulting from purchases under the Company's Stock Repurchase Program and any increase in the capital stock resulting from the exercise of stock options or the issuance of restricted shares under the Company's stock incentive and employee compensation plans, or the conversion of Series B Convertible Preferred Stock) or any change, or any development involving a prospective change, in or affecting the general affairs, management, financial position, shareholders' equity or results of operations of the Company and its subsidiaries taken as a whole, otherwise than as set forth or contemplated in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented prior to such Time of Delivery, the effect of which, in any such case described in clause (i) or (ii), is in the judgment of the Representatives so material and adverse as to make it impracticable or inadvisable to proceed with the public offering or the delivery of the Securities on the terms and in the manner contemplated in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(h) On or after the date of this Agreement (i) no downgrading shall have occurred in the rating accorded the Company's debt securities or the Company's financial strength or claims paying ability by any "nationally recognized statistical rating organization," as that term is defined by the Commission for purposes of Rule 436(g)(2) under the Act and (ii) other than as disclosed in the Prospectus, no such organization shall have publicly announced or otherwise given notice to the Company that it has under surveillance, review or watch, with possible negative implications, its rating of any of the Company's debt securities or the Company's financial strength or claims paying ability, or of any review for a possible change therein that does not indicate the direction of the possible change;

(i) On or after the date of this Agreement there shall not have occurred any of the following: a suspension

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or material limitation in trading in securities generally on the New York Stock Exchange; a suspension or material limitation in trading the Company's or the Trust's securities on the New York Stock Exchange; a general moratorium on commercial banking activities in New York declared by either Federal or New York State authorities or a material disruption in commercial banking or securities settlement or clearance services in the United States; or the outbreak or escalation of hostilities involving the United States or the declaration by the United States of a national emergency or war or the occurrence of any other calamity or crisis or change in financial, political or economic conditions in the United States or elsewhere if the effect of any such event specified in this clause (iv) in the judgment of the Representatives makes it impracticable or inadvisable to proceed with the public offering or the delivery of the Securities on the terms and in the manner contemplated in the Prospectus as amended or supplemented;

(j) The Company and the Trust shall have each furnished or caused to be furnished to the Representatives at the Time of Delivery for the Securities a certificate or certificates of officers of the Company and the Trust satisfactory to the Representatives as to the accuracy of the representations and warranties of the Company and the Trust, as the case may be, herein at and as of such Time of Delivery, as to the performance by the Company and the Trust, as the case may be, of all of its obligations hereunder to be performed at or prior to such Time of Delivery, as to the matters set forth in subsections (a) and (g) of this Section and as to such other matters as the Representatives may reasonably request; and

(k) The Securities shall have been duly listed, subject to notice of issuance of the Exchange.

8. (a) Each of the Company and the Trust, jointly and severally, will indemnify and hold harmless each Underwriter against any losses, claims, damages or liabilities, joint or several, to which such Underwriter may become subject, under the Act or otherwise, insofar as such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) arise out of or are based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement of a material fact contained in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary

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prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any amendment or supplement thereto, or arise out of or are based upon the omission or alleged omission to state therein a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, and will reimburse each Underwriter for any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by such Underwriter in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim as such expenses are incurred; provided, however, that neither the Company nor the Trust shall be liable in any such case to the extent that any such loss, claim, damage or liability arises out of or is based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission made in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any such amendment or supplement in reliance upon and in conformity with written information furnished to the Company by any Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use in the Prospectus relating to such Securities; and provided, further, that neither the Company nor the Trust shall be liable to any Underwriter under the indemnity agreement in this subsection
(a) with respect to any Preliminary Prospectus to the extent that any such loss, claim, damage or liability of such Underwriter results from the fact such Underwriter sold Securities to a person to whom there was not sent or given, at or prior to the written confirmation of such sale, a copy of the Prospectus (excluding documents incorporated by reference) or of the Prospectus as then amended or supplemented (excluding documents incorporated by reference) in any case where such delivery is required by the Act if the Company has previously furnished copies thereof to such Underwriter and the loss, claim, damage or liability of such Underwriter results from an untrue statement or omission of a material fact contained in the Preliminary Prospectus which was corrected in the Prospectus (or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented).

(b) Each Underwriter will indemnify and hold harmless the Company and the Trust against any losses, claims, damages or liabilities to which the Company and the Trust may become subject, under the Act or otherwise, insofar as such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or

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actions in respect thereof) arise out of or are based upon an untrue statement or alleged untrue statement of a material fact contained in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any amendment or supplement thereto, or arise out of or are based upon the omission or alleged omission to state therein a material fact required to be stated therein or necessary to make the statements therein not misleading, in each case to the extent, but only to the extent, that such untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission was made in any Preliminary Prospectus, any preliminary prospectus supplement, the Registration Statement, the Prospectus as amended or supplemented and any other prospectus relating to the Securities, or any such amendment or supplement in reliance upon and in conformity with written information furnished to the Company by such Underwriter through the Representatives expressly for use therein; and will reimburse the Company and the Trust for any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by the Company or the Trust in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim as such expenses are incurred.

(c) Promptly after receipt by an indemnified party under subsection (a) or (b) above of notice of the commencement of any action, such indemnified party shall, if a claim in respect thereof is to be made against the indemnifying party under such subsection, notify the indemnifying party in writing of the commencement thereof; but the omission so to notify the indemnifying party shall not relieve it from any liability which it may have to any indemnified party otherwise than under such subsection. In case any such action shall be brought against any indemnified party and it shall notify the indemnifying party of the commencement thereof, the indemnifying party shall be entitled to participate therein and, to the extent that it shall wish, jointly with any other indemnifying party similarly notified, to assume the defense thereof, with counsel satisfactory to such indemnified party (who shall not, except with the consent of the indemnified party, be counsel to the indemnifying party), and, after notice from the indemnifying party to such indemnified party of its election so to assume the defense thereof, the indemnifying party shall not be liable to such indemnified

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party under such subsection for any legal expenses of other counsel or any other expenses, in each case subsequently incurred by such indemnified party, in connection with the defense thereof other than reasonable costs of investigation. No indemnifying party shall, without the written consent of the indemnified party, effect the settlement or compromise of, or consent to the entry of any judgment with respect to, any pending or threatened action or claim in respect of which indemnification or contribution may be sought hereunder (whether or not the indemnified party is an actual or potential party to such action or claim) unless such settlement, compromise or judgment (i) includes an unconditional release of the indemnified party from all liability arising out of such action or claim and (ii) does not include a statement as to, or an admission of, fault, culpability or a failure to act, by or on behalf of any indemnified party.

(d) If the indemnification provided for in this Section 8 is unavailable to or insufficient to hold harmless an indemnified party under subsection (a) or (b) above in respect of any losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) referred to therein, then each indemnifying party shall contribute to the amount paid or payable by such indemnified party as a result of such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) in such proportion as is appropriate to reflect the relative benefits received by the Company on the one hand and the Underwriters on the other from the offering of the Securities to which such loss, claim, damage or liability (or action in respect thereof) relates. If, however, the allocation provided by the immediately preceding sentence is not permitted by applicable law or if the indemnified party failed to give the notice required under subsection (c) above, then each indemnifying party shall contribute to such amount paid or payable by such indemnified party in such proportion as is appropriate to reflect not only such relative benefits but also the relative fault of the Company and the Trust on the one hand and the Underwriters on the other in connection with the statements or omissions which resulted in such losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof), as well as any other relevant equitable considerations. The relative benefits received by the Company and the Trust on the one hand and such Underwriters on the other shall be deemed to be in the same proportion

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as the total net proceeds from such offering (before deducting expenses) received by the Company and the Trust bear to the total underwriting discounts and commissions received by such Underwriters. The relative fault shall be determined by reference to, among other things, whether the untrue or alleged untrue statement of a material fact or the omission or alleged omission to state a material fact relates to information supplied by the Company on the one hand or such Underwriters on the other and the parties' relative intent, knowledge, access to information and opportunity to correct or prevent such statement or omission. The Company, the Trust and the Underwriters agree that it would not be just and equitable if contribution pursuant to this subsection (d) were determined by pro rata allocation (even if the Underwriters were treated as one entity for such purpose) or by any other method of allocation which does not take account of the equitable considerations referred to above in this subsection (d). The amount paid or payable by an indemnified party as a result of the losses, claims, damages or liabilities (or actions in respect thereof) referred to above in this subsection (d) shall be deemed to include any legal or other expenses reasonably incurred by such indemnified party in connection with investigating or defending any such action or claim. Notwithstanding the provisions of this subsection (d), no Underwriter shall be required to contribute any amount in excess of the amount by which the total price at which the applicable Securities underwritten by it and distributed to the public were offered to the public exceeds the amount of any damages which such Underwriter has otherwise been required to pay by reason of such untrue or alleged untrue statement or omission or alleged omission. No person guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation (within the meaning of Section 11(f) of the Act) shall be entitled to contribution from any person who was not guilty of such fraudulent misrepresentation. The obligations of the Underwriters of Securities in this subsection (d) to contribute are several in proportion to their respective underwriting obligations with respect to such Securities and not joint.

(e) The obligations of the Company and the Trust under this Section 8 shall be in addition to any liability which the Company and the Trust may otherwise have and shall extend, upon the same terms and conditions, to each person, if any, who controls any Underwriter within the

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meaning of the Act; and the obligations of the Underwriters under this Section 8 shall be in addition to any liability which the respective Underwriters may otherwise have and shall extend, upon the same terms and conditions, to each officer and director of the Company and to each person, if any, who controls the Company and the Trust within the meaning of the Act.

9. (a) If any Underwriter shall default in its obligation to purchase the Securities which it has agreed to purchase under this Agreement, the Representatives may in their discretion arrange for themselves or another party or other parties to purchase such Securities on the terms contained herein. If within thirty-six hours after such default by any Underwriter the Representatives do not arrange for the purchase of such Securities, then the Company shall be entitled to a further period of thirty-six hours within which to procure another party or other parties satisfactory to the Representatives to purchase such Securities on such terms. In the event that, within the respective prescribed period, the Representatives notify the Company that they have so arranged for the purchase of such Securities, or the Company notifies the Representatives that it has so arranged for the purchase of such Securities, the Representatives or the Company shall have the right to postpone the Time of Delivery for such Securities for a period of not more than seven days, in order to effect whatever changes may thereby be made necessary in the Registration Statement or the Prospectus as amended or supplemented, or in any other documents or arrangements, and the Company and the Trust agree to file promptly any amendments or supplements to the Registration Statement or the Prospectus which in the opinion of the Representatives may thereby be made necessary. The term "Underwriter" as used in this Agreement shall include any person substituted under this Section with like effect as if such person had originally been a party to this Agreement.

(b) If, after giving effect to any arrangements for the purchase of the Securities of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters by the Representatives and the Company as provided in subsection (a) above, the aggregate principal amount of such Securities which remains unpurchased does not exceed one-tenth of the aggregate principal amount of the Securities, then the Company shall

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have the right to require each non-defaulting Underwriter to purchase the principal amount of Securities which such Underwriter agreed to purchase under this Agreement and, in addition, to require each non-defaulting Underwriter to purchase its pro rata share (based on the principal amount of Securities which such Underwriter agreed to purchase under the Agreement) of the Securities of such defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters for which such arrangements have not been made; but nothing herein shall relieve a defaulting Underwriter from liability for its default.

(c) If, after giving effect to any arrangements for the purchase of the Securities of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters by the Representatives and the Company as provided in subsection (a) above, the aggregate principal amount of Securities which remains unpurchased exceeds one-eleventh of the aggregate principal amount of the Securities, as referred to in subsection (b) above, or if the Company shall not exercise the right described in subsection
(b) above to require non-defaulting Underwriters to purchase Securities of a defaulting Underwriter or Underwriters, then this Agreement (or, with respect to the Second Time of Delivery, the obligation of the Underwriters to purchase and Company and the Trust to sell the Optional Securities) shall thereupon terminate, without liability on the part of any non-defaulting Underwriter, the Company or the Trust, except for the expenses to be borne by the Company, the Trust and the Underwriters as provided in Section 6 hereof and the indemnity and contribution agreements in Section 8 hereof; but nothing herein shall relieve a defaulting Underwriter from liability for its default.

10. The respective indemnities, agreements, representations, warranties and other statements of the Company, the Trust and the several Underwriters, as set forth in this Agreement or made by or on behalf of them, respectively, pursuant to this Agreement, shall remain in full force and effect, regardless of any investigation (or any statement as to the results thereof) made by or on behalf of any Underwriter or any controlling person of any Underwriter, the Company or the Trust, or any officer or director or controlling person of the Company or the Trust, and shall survive delivery of and payment for the Securities.

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11. If this Agreement shall be terminated pursuant to Section 9 hereof, neither the Company nor the Trust shall then be under any liability to any Underwriter with respect to the Securities covered by this Agreement except as provided in Section 6 and Section 8 hereof; but, if for any other reason Securities are not delivered by or on behalf of the Company and the Trust as provided herein, the Company and the Trust, jointly and severally, will reimburse the Underwriters through the Representatives for all out-of-pocket expenses approved in writing by the Representatives, including fees and disbursements of counsel, reasonably incurred by the Underwriters in making preparations for the purchase, sale and delivery of such Securities, but neither the Company nor the Trust shall then be under further liability to any Underwriter with respect to such Securities except as provided in Section 6 and
Section 8 hereof.

12. In all dealings hereunder, the Representatives of the Underwriters shall act on behalf of each of such Underwriters, and the parties hereto shall be entitled to act and rely upon any statement, request, notice or agreement on behalf of any Underwriter made or given by such Representatives jointly or by such of the Representatives, if any, as may be designated for such purpose in this Agreement.

All statements, requests, notices and agreements hereunder shall be in writing, and if to the Underwriters shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to the address of the Representatives in care of
[ ] and if to the Company or the Trust shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to the address of the Company set forth in the Registration Statement: Attention: Bruce A. Backberg, Esq., Senior Vice President; provided, however, that any notice to an Underwriter pursuant to
Section 8(c) hereof shall be delivered or sent by mail, telex or facsimile transmission to such Underwriter at its address set forth in its Underwriters' Questionnaire, or telex constituting such Questionnaire, which address will be supplied to the Company and the Trust by the Representatives upon request. Any such statements, requests, notices or agreements shall take effect upon receipt thereof.

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13. This Agreement shall be binding upon, and inure solely to the benefit of, the Underwriters, the Company, the Trust and, to the extent provided in
Section 8 and Section 10 hereof, the officers and directors of the Company and each person who controls the Company, the Trust or any Underwriter, and their respective heirs, executors, administrators, successors and assigns, and no other person shall acquire or have any right under or by virtue of this Agreement. No purchaser of any of the Securities from any Underwriter shall be deemed a successor or assign by reason merely of such purchase.

14. Time shall be of the essence of this Agreement. As used herein, "business day" shall mean any day when the Commission's office in Washington, D.C. is open for business.

15. This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.

16. This Agreement may be executed by any one or more of the parties hereto and thereto in any number of counterparts, each of which shall be deemed to be an original, but all such respective counterparts shall together constitute one and the same instrument.

If the foregoing is in accordance with your understanding, please sign and return to us eight counterparts hereof.

Very truly yours,

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By:

Name:


Title:

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Accepted as of the date hereof:

[UNDERWRITERS]

BY: [ ]

By:
Name:
Title:

On behalf of each of the Underwriters

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SCHEDULE I

                                                                                STATED
                                                                                LIQUIDATION
                                                                                AMOUNT OF
                                                     STATED                     OPTIONAL
                                                     LIQUIDATION                SECURITIES TO
                                                     AMOUNT OF FIRM             BE PURCHASED
                                                     SECURITIES TO              IF MAXIMUM
UNDERWRITER                                          BE PURCHASED               EXERCISED
-----------                                          --------------             -------------
                                                     $                          $







                  Total...........................
                                                     -------------              -------------
                                                     $[          ]              $[          ]
                                                     =============              =============


Exhibit 4.1


THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

TO

JPMORGAN CHASE BANK

Trustee


INDENTURE

Dated as of [ ]

SENIOR DEBT SECURITIES




The St. Paul Companies, Inc. Reconciliation and tie between Trust Indenture Act of 1939 and Indenture, dated as of [ ]

Trust Indenture                                                                    Indenture
  Act Section                                                                       Section
---------------                                                                    ---------
ss.310(a)(1)        ...............................................................609
      (a)(2)        ...............................................................609
      (a)(3)        ...............................................................Not Applicable
      (a)(4)        ...............................................................Not Applicable
      (b)           ...............................................................608
                                                                                   610

ss.311(a)           ...............................................................613(a)
      (b)           ...............................................................613(b)
      (b)(2)        ...............................................................703(a)(2)
                                                                                   703(b)

ss.312(a)           ...............................................................701
                                                                                   702(a)
      (b)           ...............................................................702(b)
      (c)           ...............................................................702(a)
ss.313(a)           ...............................................................703(a)
      (b)           ...............................................................703(b)
      (c)           ...............................................................703(a), 703(b)
      (d)           ...............................................................703(c)
ss.314(a)           ...............................................................704
      (b)           ...............................................................Not Applicable
      (c)(1)        ...............................................................102
      (c)(2)        ...............................................................102
      (c)(3)        ...............................................................Not Applicable
      (d)           ...............................................................Not Applicable
      (e)           ...............................................................102
ss.315(a)           ...............................................................601(a)
      (b)           ...............................................................602
                                                                                   703(a)(6)

      (c)           ...............................................................601(b)
      (d)           ...............................................................601(c)
      (d)(1)        ...............................................................601(a)(1)
      (d)(2)        ...............................................................601(c)(2)
      (d)(3)        ...............................................................601(c)(3)
      (e)           ...............................................................514
ss.316(a)           ...............................................................101
      (a)(1)(A)     ...............................................................502
                                                                                   512
      (a)(1)(B)     ...............................................................513
      (a)(2)        ...............................................................Not Applicable


Trust Indenture                                                                    Indenture
  Act Section                                                                       Section
---------------                                                                    ---------
      (b)           ...............................................................508
ss.317(a)(1)        ...............................................................503
      (a)(2)        ...............................................................504
      (b)           ...............................................................1003
ss.318(a)           ...............................................................107


NOTE: This reconciliation and tie shall not, for any purpose, be deemed to be a part of the Indenture.


TABLE OF CONTENTS


                                                                                                                Page
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PARTIES...........................................................................................................1
RECITALS OF THE COMPANY...........................................................................................1

                                   ARTICLE ONE

             Definitions and Other Provisions of General Application

Section 101.               Definitions............................................................................1
                           Act....................................................................................2
                           Affiliate..............................................................................2
                           Authenticating Agent...................................................................2
                           Board of Directors.....................................................................2
                           Board Resolution.......................................................................2
                           Business Day...........................................................................3
                           Commission.............................................................................3
                           Company................................................................................3
                           Company Request........................................................................3
                           Company Order..........................................................................3
                           Corporate Trust Office.................................................................3
                           corporation............................................................................3
                           Defaulted Interest.....................................................................3
                           Depository.............................................................................4
                           Event of Default.......................................................................4
                           Exchange Act...........................................................................4
                           Global Security........................................................................4
                           Holder.................................................................................4
                           Indenture..............................................................................4
                           interest...............................................................................4
                           Interest Payment Date..................................................................4
                           Maturity...............................................................................4
                           Officers' Certificate..................................................................4
                           Opinion of Counsel.....................................................................5
                           Original Issue Discount Security.......................................................5
                           Outstanding............................................................................5
                           Paying Agent...........................................................................6
                           Person.................................................................................6


NOTE: This table of contents shall not, for any purpose, be deemed to be a part of the Indenture.

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                           Place of Payment.......................................................................6
                           Predecessor Security...................................................................7
                           Redemption Date........................................................................7
                           Redemption Price.......................................................................7
                           Regular Record Date....................................................................7
                           Responsible Officer....................................................................7
                           Securities.............................................................................7
                           Security Register......................................................................7
                           Security Registrar.....................................................................7
                           Special Record Date....................................................................7
                           Stated Maturity........................................................................7
                           Subsidiary.............................................................................8
                           Trustee................................................................................8
                           Trust Indenture Act....................................................................8
                           U.S. Government Obligations............................................................8
                           Vice President.........................................................................8
Section 102.               Compliance Certificates and Opinions...................................................8
Section 103.               Form of Documents Delivered to Trustee.................................................9
Section 104.               Acts of Holders.......................................................................10
Section 105.               Notices, Etc., to Trustee and Company.................................................11
Section 106.               Notice to Holders; Waiver.............................................................12
Section 107.               Conflict with Trust Indenture Act.....................................................12
Section 108.               Effect of Headings and Table of Contents..............................................12
Section 109.               Successors and Assigns................................................................13
Section 110.               Separability Clause...................................................................13
Section 111.               Benefits of Indenture.................................................................13
Section 112.               Governing Law.........................................................................13
Section 113.               Legal Holidays........................................................................13

                                   ARTICLE TWO

                                 Security Forms

Section 201.               Forms Generally.......................................................................14
Section 202.               Form of Face of Security..............................................................14
Section 203.               Form of Reverse of Security...........................................................17
Section 204.               Form of Legend for Global Securities..................................................22
Section 205.               Form of Trustee's Certificate of Authentication.......................................22

                                  ARTICLE THREE

                                 The Securities

Section 301.               Amount Unlimited; Issuable in Series..................................................22
Section 302.               Denominations.........................................................................26

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Section 303.               Execution, Authentication, Delivery and Dating........................................26
Section 304.               Temporary Securities..................................................................28
Section 305.               Registration, Registration of Transfer and Exchange...................................29
Section 306.               Mutilated, Destroyed, Lost and Stolen Securities......................................31
Section 307.               Payment of Interest; Interest Rights Preserved........................................32
Section 308.               Persons Deemed Owners.................................................................34
Section 309.               Cancellation..........................................................................34
Section 310.               Computation of Interest...............................................................35

                                  ARTICLE FOUR

                           Satisfaction and Discharge

Section 401.               Satisfaction and Discharge of Indenture...............................................35
Section 402.               Application of Trust Money............................................................37

                                  ARTICLE FIVE

                                    Remedies

Section 501.               Events of Default.....................................................................37
Section 502.               Acceleration of Maturity; Rescission and Annulment....................................40
Section 503.               Collection of Indebtedness and Suits for Enforcement by Trustee.......................42
Section 504.               Trustee May File Proofs of Claim......................................................43
Section 505.               Trustee May Enforce Claims Without Possession of Securities...........................44
Section 506.               Application of Money Collected........................................................45
Section 507.               Limitation on Suits...................................................................45
Section 508.               Unconditional Right of Holders to Receive Principal, Premium and Interest.............46
Section 509.               Restoration of Rights and Remedies....................................................46
Section 510.               Rights and Remedies Cumulative........................................................47
Section 511.               Delay or Omission Not Waiver..........................................................47
Section 512.               Control by Holders....................................................................47
Section 513.               Waiver of Past Defaults...............................................................48
Section 514.               Undertaking for Costs.................................................................49
Section 515.               Waiver of Usury, Stay or Extension Laws...............................................50

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                                   ARTICLE SIX

                                   The Trustee

Section 601.               Certain Duties and Responsibilities...................................................50
Section 602.               Notice of Defaults....................................................................52
Section 603.               Certain Rights of Trustee.............................................................52
Section 604.               Not Responsible for Recitals or Issuance of Securities................................54
Section 605.               May Hold Securities...................................................................54
Section 606.               Money Held in Trust...................................................................55
Section 607.               Compensation and Reimbursement........................................................55
Section 608.               Disqualification; Conflicting Interests...............................................56
Section 609.               Corporate Trustee Required; Eligibility...............................................56
Section 610.               Resignation and Removal;  Appointment of Successor....................................57
Section 611.               Acceptance of Appointment by Successor................................................59
Section 612.               Merger, Conversion, Consolidation or Succession to Business...........................61
Section 613.               Preferential Collection of Claims Against Company.....................................61
Section 614.               Appointment of Authenticating Agent...................................................61

                                  ARTICLE SEVEN

                Holders' Lists and Reports by Trustee and Company

Section 701.               Company to Furnish Trustee Names and Addresses of Holders.............................64
Section 702.               Preservation of Information; Communications to Holders................................64
Section 703.               Reports by Trustee....................................................................66
Section 704.               Reports by Company....................................................................67

                                  ARTICLE EIGHT

              Consolidation, Merger, Conveyance, Transfer or Lease

Section 801.               Company May Consolidate, Etc., Only on Certain Terms..................................68
Section 802.               Successor Person Substituted..........................................................69

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                                  ARTICLE NINE

                             Supplemental Indentures

Section 901.               Supplemental Indentures Without Consent of Holders....................................70
Section 902.               Supplemental Indentures with Consent of Holders.......................................71
Section 903.               Execution of Supplemental Indentures..................................................73
Section 904.               Effect of Supplemental Indentures.....................................................74
Section 905.               Conformity with Trust Indenture Act...................................................74
Section 906.               Reference in Securities to Supplemental Indentures....................................74

                                   ARTICLE TEN

                                    Covenants

Section 1001.              Payment of Principal, Premium and Interest............................................74
Section 1002.              Maintenance of Office or Agency.......................................................75
Section 1003.              Money for Securities Payments to Be Held in Trust.....................................75
Section 1004.              Corporate Existence...................................................................77
Section 1005.              Limitation on Liens...................................................................77
Section 1006.              Statement by Officers as to Default...................................................78
Section 1007.              Waiver of Certain Covenants...........................................................79

                                 ARTICLE ELEVEN

                            Redemption of Securities

Section 1101.              Applicability of Article..............................................................80
Section 1102.              Election to Redeem; Notice to Trustee.................................................80
Section 1103.              Selection by Trustee of Securities to Be Redeemed.....................................80
Section 1104.              Notice of Redemption..................................................................81
Section 1105.              Deposit of Redemption Price...........................................................82
Section 1106.              Securities Payable on Redemption Date.................................................82
Section 1107.              Securities Redeemed in Part...........................................................82

                                 ARTICLE TWELVE

                                  Sinking Funds

Section 1201.              Applicability of Article..............................................................83

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Section 1202.              Satisfaction of Sinking Fund Payments with Securities.................................83
Section 1203.              Redemption of Securities for Sinking Fund.............................................84

                                ARTICLE THIRTEEN

                       Defeasance and Covenant Defeasance

Section 1301.              Applicability of Article; Company's Option to Effect Defeasance or Covenant
                           Defeasance............................................................................84
Section 1302.              Defeasance and Discharge..............................................................85
Section 1303.              Covenant Defeasance...................................................................86
Section 1304.              Conditions to Defeasance or Covenant Defeasance.......................................86
Section 1305.              Deposited Money and U.S. Government Obligations to be Held in Trust; Other
                           Miscellaneous Provisions..............................................................89
Section 1306.              Reinstatement.........................................................................90

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INDENTURE, dated as of [ ], between The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a corporation duly organized and existing under the laws of the State of Minnesota (herein called the "Company"), having its principal office at 385 Washington Street, St. Paul, Minnesota 55102, and JPMorgan Chase Bank, a New York banking corporation duly organized and existing under the laws of the State of New York, as Trustee (herein called the "Trustee").

RECITALS OF THE COMPANY

The Company has duly authorized the execution and delivery of this Indenture to provide for the issuance from time to time of its unsecured and unsubordinated debentures, notes or other evidences of indebtedness (herein called the "Securities"), to be issued in one or more series as in this Indenture provided.

All things necessary to make this Indenture a valid agreement of the Company, in accordance with its terms, have been done.

NOW, THEREFORE, THIS INDENTURE WITNESSETH:

For and in consideration of the premises and the purchase of the Securities by the Holders thereof, it is mutually covenanted and agreed, for the equal and proportionate benefit of all Holders of the Securities or of series thereof, as follows:

ARTICLE ONE

Definitions and Other Provisions
of General Application

Section 101 Definitions.

For all purposes of this Indenture, except as otherwise expressly provided or unless the context otherwise requires:

(1) the terms defined in this Article have the meanings assigned to them in this Article and include the plural as well as the singular;

(2) all other terms used herein which are defined in the Trust Indenture Act, either


directly or by reference therein, have the meanings assigned to them therein;

(3) all accounting terms not otherwise defined herein have the meanings assigned to them in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, and, except as otherwise herein expressly provided, the term "generally accepted accounting principles" with respect to any computation required or permitted hereunder shall mean such accounting principles as are generally accepted at the date of such computation; and

(4) the words "herein", "hereof" and "hereunder" and other words of similar import refer to this Indenture as a whole and not to any particular Article, Section or other subdivision.

Certain terms, used principally in Article Six, are defined in that Article.

"Act", when used with respect to any Holder, has the meaning specified in Section 104.

"Affiliate" of any specified Person means any other Person directly or indirectly controlling or controlled by or under direct or indirect common control with such specified Person. For the purposes of this definition, "control" when used with respect to any specified Person means the power to direct the management and policies of such Person, directly or indirectly, whether through the ownership of voting securities, by contract or otherwise; and the terms "controlling" and "controlled" have meanings correlative to the foregoing.

"Authenticating Agent" means any Authenticating Agent appointed pursuant to Section 614 to authenticate Securities.

"Board of Directors" means either the board of directors of the Company or any duly authorized committee of that board.

"Board Resolution" means a copy of a resolution certified by the Corporate Secretary or an Assistant Corporate Secretary of the Company to have been duly

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adopted by the Board of Directors and to be in full force and effect on the date of such certification, and delivered to the Trustee.

"Business Day", when used with respect to any Place of Payment, means each Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday which is not a day on which banking institutions in that Place of Payment are authorized or obligated by law to close.

"Commission" means the Securities and Exchange Commission, as from time to time constituted, created under the Exchange Act, or, if at any time after the execution of this instrument such Commission is not existing and performing the duties now assigned to it under the Trust Indenture Act, then the body performing such duties at such time.

"Company" means the Person named as the "Company" in the first paragraph of this instrument until a successor corporation shall have become such pursuant to the applicable provisions of this Indenture, and thereafter "Company" shall mean such successor corporation.

"Company Request" or "Company Order" means a written request or order signed in the name of the Company by its Chairman of the Board, its President or a Vice President, and by its Treasurer, an Assistant Treasurer, its Secretary or an Assistant Secretary, and delivered to the Trustee.

"Corporate Trust Office" means the principal office of the Trustee in The City of New York, at which at any particular time its corporate trust business in such City may be administered. At the date hereof, such office is located at JPMorgan Chase Bank, 450 West 33rd Street, New York, New York 10001, Attention: Institutional Trust Services.

"corporation" includes corporations, associations, companies and business trusts.

"Defaulted Interest" has the meaning specified in Section 307.

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"Depository" means, with respect to the Securities of any series issuable or issued in whole or in part in the form of one or more Global Securities, the clearing agency registered under the Exchange Act specified for that purpose as contemplated by Section 301.

"Event of Default" has the meaning specified in Section 501.

"Exchange Act" means the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as it may be amended and any successor act thereto.

"Global Security" means a security bearing the legend specified in
Section 204 evidencing all or part of a series of Securities, authenticated and delivered to the Depository for such series or its nominee, and registered in the name of such Depository or nominee.

"Holder" means a Person in whose name a Security is registered in the Security Register.

"Indenture" means this instrument as originally executed or as it may from time to time be supplemented or amended by one or more indentures supplemental hereto entered into pursuant to the applicable provisions hereof and shall include the terms of particular series of Securities established as contemplated by Section 301.

"interest", when used with respect to an Original Issue Discount Security which by its terms bears interest only after Maturity, means interest payable after Maturity.

"Interest Payment Date", when used with respect to any security, means the Stated Maturity of an installment of interest on such Security.

"Maturity", when used with respect to any Security, means the date on which the principal of such Security or an installment of principal becomes due and payable as therein or herein provided, whether at the Stated Maturity or by declaration of acceleration, call for redemption or otherwise.

"Officers' Certificate" means a certificate signed by the Chairman of the Board, the President or a Vice President, and by the Treasurer, an Assistant

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Treasurer, the Secretary or an Assistant Secretary, of the Company, and delivered to the Trustee. One of the officers signing an Officers' Certificate given pursuant to Section 1005 shall be the principal executive, financial or accounting officer of the Company.

"Opinion of Counsel" means a written opinion of counsel, who may be counsel for the Company.

"Original Issue Discount Security" means any Security which provides for an amount less than the principal amount thereof to be due and payable upon a declaration of acceleration of the Maturity thereof pursuant to
Section 502.

"Outstanding", when used with respect to Securities, means, as of the date of determination, all Securities theretofore authenticated and delivered under this Indenture, except:

(i) Securities theretofore cancelled by the Trustee or delivered to the Trustee for cancellation;

(ii) Securities for whose payment or redemption money in the necessary amount has been theretofore deposited with the Trustee or any Paying Agent (other than the Company) in trust or set aside and segregated in trust by the Company (if the Company shall act as its own Paying Agent) for the Holders of such Securities; provided that, if such Securities are to be redeemed, notice of such redemption has been duly given pursuant to this Indenture or provision therefor satisfactory to the Trustee has been made; and

(iii) Securities which have been paid pursuant to Section 306 or in exchange for or in lieu of which other Securities have been authenticated and delivered pursuant to this Indenture, other than any such Securities in respect of which there shall have been presented to the Trustee proof satisfactory to it that such Securities are held by a protected purchaser in whose hands such Securities are valid obligations of the Company;

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provided, however, that in determining whether the Holders of the requisite principal amount of the Outstanding Securities have given any request, demand, authorization, direction, notice, consent or waiver hereunder, (i) the principal amount of an Original Issue Discount Security that shall be deemed to be Outstanding shall be the amount of the principal thereof that would be due and payable as of the date of such determination upon acceleration of the Maturity thereof pursuant to Section 502, (ii) the principal amount of a Security denominated in a foreign currency or currencies shall be the U.S. dollar equivalent, determined on the date of original issuance of such Security, of the principal amount (or, in the case of an Original Issue Discount Security, the U.S. dollar equivalent on the date of original issuance of such Security of the amount determined as provided in (i) above) of such Security, and (iii) Securities owned by the Company or any other obligor upon the Securities or any Affiliate of the Company or of such other obligor shall be disregarded and deemed not to be Outstanding, except that, in determining whether the Trustee shall be protected in relying upon any such request, demand, authorization, direction, notice, consent or waiver, only Securities which the Trustee knows to be so owned shall be so disregarded. Securities so owned which have been pledged in good faith may be regarded as outstanding if the pledgee establishes to the satisfaction of the Trustee the pledgee's right so to act with respect to such Securities and that the pledgee is not the Company or any other obligor upon the Securities or any Affiliate of the Company or of such other obligor.

"Paying Agent" means any Person authorized by the Company to pay the principal of (and premium, if any) or interest on any Securities on behalf of the Company.

"Person" means any individual, corporation, partnership, joint venture, association, joint-stock company, trust, limited liability company, unincorporated organization or government or any agency or political subdivision thereof.

"Place of Payment", when used with respect to the Securities of any series, means the place or places where the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on the Securities of that series are payable as specified as contemplated by Section 301.

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"Predecessor Security" of any particular Security means every previous Security evidencing all or a portion of the same debt as that evidenced by such particular Security and, for the purposes of this definition, any Security authenticated and delivered under Section 306 in exchange for or in lieu of a mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Security shall be deemed to evidence the same debt as the mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Security.

"Redemption Date", when used with respect to any Security to be redeemed, means the date fixed for such redemption by or pursuant to this Indenture.

"Redemption Price", when used with respect to any Security to be redeemed, means the price at which it is to be redeemed pursuant to this Indenture.

"Regular Record Date" for the interest payable on any Interest Payment Date on the Securities of any series means the date specified for that purpose as contemplated by Section 301.

"Responsible Officer", when used with respect to the Trustee, means any officer of the Trustee with direct responsibility for the administration of this Indenture and also means, with respect to a particular corporate trust matter, any other officer of the Trustee to whom such matter is referred because of his knowledge of and familiarity with the particular subject.

"Securities" has the meaning stated in the first recital of this Indenture and more particularly means any Securities authenticated and delivered under this Indenture.

"Security Register" and "Security Registrar" have the respective meanings specified in Section 305.

"Special Record Date" for the payment of any Defaulted Interest means a date fixed by the Trustee pursuant to Section 307.

"Stated Maturity", when used with respect to any Security or any installment of principal thereof or interest thereon, means the date specified in such Security as the fixed date on which the principal of such Security

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or such installment of principal or interest is due and payable.

"Subsidiary" means a corporation more than 50% of the outstanding voting stock of which is owned, directly or indirectly, by the Company or by one or more other Subsidiaries, or by the Company and one or more other Subsidiaries. For the purposes of this definition, "voting stock" means stock which ordinarily has voting power for the election of directors, whether at all times or only so long as no senior class of stock has such voting power by reason of any contingency.

"Trustee" means the Person named as the "Trustee" in the first paragraph of this instrument until a successor Trustee shall have become such pursuant to the applicable provisions of this Indenture, and thereafter "Trustee" shall mean or include each Person who is then a Trustee hereunder, and if at any time there is more than one such Person, "Trustee" as used with respect to the Securities of any series shall mean the Trustee with respect to Securities of that series.

"Trust Indenture Act" means the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 as in force at the date as of which this instrument was executed, except as provided in Section 905; provided, however, that in the event the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 is amended after such date, "Trust Indenture Act" means, to the extent required by such amendment, the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 as amended.

"U.S. Government Obligations" has the meaning specified in Section 1304.

"Vice President", when used with respect to the Company or the Trustee, means any vice president, whether or not designated by a number or a word or words added before or after the title "vice president".

Section 102. Compliance Certificates and Opinions.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by this Indenture, upon any application or request by the Company to the Trustee to take any action under any provision of this Indenture, the Company shall furnish to the Trustee an Officers' Certificate stating that all conditions precedent, if any, provided for in this Indenture relating to the proposed action have been complied with and an Opinion of Counsel stating that in the opinion of such counsel such action is authorized or permitted by this

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Indenture and that all such conditions precedent, if any, have been complied with, except that in the case of any such application or request as to which the furnishing of such documents is specifically required by any provision of this Indenture relating to such particular application or request, no additional certificate or opinion need be furnished.

Every certificate or opinion with respect to compliance with a condition or covenant provided for in this Indenture shall include

(1) a statement that each individual signing such certificate or opinion has read such covenant or condition and the definitions herein relating thereto;

(2) a brief statement as to the nature and scope of the examination or investigation upon which the statements or opinions contained in such certificate or opinion are based;

(3) a statement that, in the opinion of each such individual, he has made such examination or investigation as is necessary to enable him to express an informed opinion as to whether or not such covenant or condition has been complied with; and

(4) a statement as to whether, in the opinion of each such individual, such condition or covenant has been complied with.

Section 103. Form of Documents Delivered to Trustee.

In any case where several matters are required to be certified by, or covered by an opinion of, any specified Person, it is not necessary that all such matters be certified by, or covered by the opinion of, only one such Person, or that they be so certified or covered by only one document, but one such Person may certify or give an opinion with respect to some matters and one or more other such Persons as to other matters, and any such Person may certify or give an opinion as to such matters in one or several documents.

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Any certificate or opinion of any officer of the Company may be based, insofar as it relates to legal matters, upon a certificate or opinion of, or representations by, counsel, unless such officer knows, or in the exercise of reasonable care should know, that the certificate or opinion or representations with respect to the matters upon which his certificate or opinion is based are erroneous. Any such certificate or Opinion of Counsel may be based, insofar as it relates to factual matters, upon a certificate or opinion of, or representations by, an officer or officers of the Company stating that the information with respect to such factual matters is in the possession of the Company, unless such counsel knows, or in the exercise of reasonable care should know, that the certificate or opinion or representations with respect to such matters are erroneous.

Where any Person is required to make, give or execute two or more applications, requests, consents, certificates, statements, opinions or other instruments under this Indenture, they may, but need not, be consolidated and form one instrument.

Section 104. Acts of Holders.

(a) Any request, demand, authorization, direction, notice, consent, waiver or other action provided by this Indenture to be given or taken by Holders may be embodied in and evidenced by one or more instruments of substantially similar tenor signed by such Holders in person or by agent duly appointed in writing; and, except as herein otherwise expressly provided, such action shall become effective when such instrument or instruments are delivered to the Trustee and, where it is hereby expressly required, to the Company. Such instrument or instruments (and the action embodied therein and evidenced thereby) are herein sometimes referred to as the "Act" of the Holders signing such instrument or instruments. Proof of execution of any such instrument or of a writing appointing any such agent shall be sufficient for any purpose of this Indenture and (subject to Section 601) conclusive in favor of the Trustee and the Company, if made in the manner provided in this Section.

(b) The fact and date of the execution by any Person of any such instrument or writing may be proved by

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the affidavit of a witness of such execution or by a certificate of a notary public or other officer authorized by law to take acknowledgments of deeds, certifying that the individual signing such instrument or writing acknowledged to him the execution thereof. Where such execution is by a signer acting in a capacity other than his individual capacity, such certificate or affidavit shall also constitute sufficient proof of his authority. The fact and date of the execution of any such instrument or writing, or the authority of the Person executing the same, may also be proved in any other manner which the Trustee deems sufficient.

(c) The ownership of Securities shall be proved by the Security Register.

(d) Any request, demand, authorization, direction, notice, consent, waiver or other Act of the Holder of any Security shall bind every future Holder of the same Security and the Holder of every Security issued upon the registration of transfer thereof or in exchange therefor or in lieu thereof in respect of anything done, omitted or suffered to be done by the Trustee or the Company in reliance thereon, whether or not notation of such action is made upon such Security.

Section 105. Notices, Etc., to Trustee and Company.

Any request, demand, authorization, direction, notice, consent, waiver or Act of Holders or other document provided or permitted by this Indenture to be made upon, given or furnished to, or filed with,

(1) the Trustee by any Holder or by the Company shall be sufficient for every purpose hereunder if made, given, furnished or filed in writing to or with the Trustee at its Corporate Trust Office, Attention: Institutional Trust Services, or

(2) the Company by the Trustee or by any Holder shall be sufficient for every purpose hereunder (unless otherwise herein expressly provided) if in writing and mailed, first-class postage prepaid, to the Company addressed to it at the address of its principal office specified

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in the first paragraph of this instrument or at any other address previously furnished in writing to the Trustee by the Company.

Section 106. Notice to Holders; Waiver.

Where this Indenture provides for notice to Holders of any event, such notice shall be sufficiently given (unless otherwise herein expressly provided) if in writing and mailed, first-class postage prepaid, to each Holder affected by such event, at his address as it appears in the Security Register, not later than the latest date, and not earlier than the earliest date, prescribed for the giving of such notice. In any case where notice to Holders is given by mail, neither the failure to mail such notice, nor any defect in any notice so mailed, to any particular Holder shall affect the sufficiency of such notice with respect to other Holders. Where this Indenture provides for notice in any manner, such notice may be waived in writing by the Person entitled to receive such notice, either before or after the event, and such waiver shall be the equivalent of such notice. Waivers of notice by Holders shall be filed with the Trustee, but such filing shall not be a condition precedent to the validity of any action taken in reliance upon such waiver.

In case by reason of the suspension of regular mail service or by reason of any other cause it shall be impracticable to give such notice by mail, then such notification as shall be made with the approval of the Trustee shall constitute a sufficient notification for every purpose hereunder.

Section 107. Conflict with Trust Indenture Act.

If any provision hereof limits, qualifies or conflicts with another provision hereof which is required to be included in this Indenture by any of the provisions of the Trust Indenture Act, such required provision shall control.

Section 108. Effect of Headings and Table of Contents.

The Article and Section headings herein and the Table of Contents are for convenience only and shall not affect the construction hereof.

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Section 109. Successors and Assigns.

All covenants and agreements in this Indenture by the Company shall bind its successors and assigns, whether so expressed or not.

Section 110. Separability Clause.

In case any provision in this Indenture or in the Securities shall be invalid, illegal or unenforceable, the validity, legality and enforceability of the remaining provisions shall not in any way be affected or impaired thereby.

Section 111. Benefits of Indenture.

Nothing in this Indenture or in the Securities, express or implied, shall give to any Person, other than the parties hereto and their successors hereunder and the Holders, any benefit or any legal or equitable right, remedy or claim under this Indenture.

Section 112. Governing Law.

This Indenture and the Securities shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.

Section 113. Legal Holidays.

In any case where any Interest Payment Date, Redemption Date or Stated Maturity of any Security shall not be a Business Day at any Place of Payment, then (notwithstanding any other provision of this Indenture or of the Securities) payment of interest or principal (and premium, if any) need not be made at such Place of Payment on such date, but may be made on the next succeeding Business Day at such Place of Payment with the same force and effect as if made on the Interest Payment Date or Redemption Date, or at the Stated Maturity, provided that no interest shall accrue with respect to such payment, for the period from and after such Interest Payment Date, Redemption Date or Stated Maturity, as the case may be.

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ARTICLE TWO

Security Forms

Section 201. Forms Generally.

The Securities of each series shall be in substantially the form set forth in this Article, or in such other form as shall be established by or pursuant to a Board Resolution or in one or more indentures supplemental hereto, in each case with such appropriate insertions, omissions, substitutions and other variations as are required or permitted by this Indenture, and may have such letters, numbers or other marks of identification and such legends or endorsements placed thereon as may be required to comply with the rules of any securities exchange or depository therefor or as may, consistently herewith, be determined by the officers executing such Securities, as evidenced by their execution thereof. If the form of Securities of any series is established by action taken pursuant to a Board Resolution, a copy of an appropriate record of such action shall be certified by the Secretary or an Assistant Secretary of the Company and delivered to the Trustee at or prior to the delivery of the Company Order contemplated by Section 303 for the authentication and delivery of such Securities.

The Trustee's certificates of authentication shall be in substantially the form set forth in this Article.

The definitive Securities shall be printed, lithographed or engraved on steel engraved borders or may be produced in any other manner, all as determined by the officers executing such Securities, as evidenced by their execution of such Securities.

Section 202. Form of Face of Security.

[Insert any legend required by the Internal Revenue Code and the regulations thereunder.]

The St. Paul Companies, Inc.

......................................

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No. .......... $ ..........

The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a corporation duly organized and existing under the laws of the State of Minnesota (herein called the "Company", which term includes any successor corporation under the Indenture hereinafter referred to), for value received, hereby promises to pay to ................. ............................................ or registered assigns, the principal sum of ....................... Dollars on ........................ ..................................... ............... [If the Security is to bear interest prior to Maturity, insert --, and to pay interest thereon from .......... or from the most recent Interest Payment Date to which interest has been paid or duly provided for, semi-annually on ................ and ....... ............... in each year, commencing ..........., at the rate of ...% per annum, until the principal hereof is paid or made available for payment [If applicable insert --, provided that any principal and premium, and any such installment of interest, which is overdue shall bear interest at the rate of ...% per annum (to the extent that the payment of such interest shall be legally enforceable), from the dates such amounts are due until they are paid or made available for payment, and such interest shall be payable on demand]. The interest so payable, and punctually paid or duly provided for, on any Interest Payment Date will, as provided in such Indenture, be paid to the Person in whose name this Security (or one or more Predecessor Securities) is registered at the close of business on the Regular Record Date for such interest, which shall be the ...... or ....... (whether or not a Business Day), as the case may be, next preceding such Interest Payment Date. Any such interest not so punctually paid or duly provided for will forthwith cease to be payable to the Holder on such Regular Record Date and may either be paid to the Person in whose name this Security (or one or more Predecessor Securities) is registered at the close of business on a Special Record Date for the payment of such Defaulted Interest to be fixed by the Trustee, notice whereof shall be given to Holders of Securities of this series not less than 10 days prior to such Special Record Date, or be paid at any time in any other lawful manner not inconsistent with the requirements of any securities exchange on which the Securities of this series may be listed, and upon such notice as may be required by such exchange, all as more fully provided in

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said Indenture]. [If the Security is not to bear interest prior to Maturity, insert -- The principal of this Security shall not bear interest except in the case of a default in payment of principal upon acceleration, upon redemption or at Stated Maturity and in such case the overdue principal and any overdue premium shall bear interest at the rate of ...% per annum (to the extent that the payment of such interest shall be legally enforceable), from the dates such amounts are due until they are paid or made available for payment. Interest on any overdue principal or premium shall be payable on demand. [Any such interest on overdue principal or premium which is not paid on demand shall bear interest at the rate of ......% per annum (to the extent that the payment of such interest on interest shall be legally enforceable), from the date of such demand until the amount so demanded is paid or made available for payment. Interest on any overdue interest shall be payable on demand.]

Payment of the principal of (and premium, if any) and [if applicable, insert -- any such interest on this Security will be made at the office or agency of the Company maintained for that purpose in ............., in such coin or currency of the United States of America as at the time of payment is legal tender for payment of public and private debts [if applicable, insert -- ; provided, however, that at the option of the Company payment of interest may be made by check mailed to the address of the Person entitled thereto as such address shall appear in the Security Register].

Reference is hereby made to the further provisions of this Security set forth on the reverse hereof, which further provisions shall for all purposes have the same effect as if set forth at this place.

Unless the certificate of authentication hereon has been executed by the Trustee referred to on the reverse hereof by manual signature, this Security shall not be entitled to any benefit under the Indenture or be valid or obligatory for any purpose.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Company has caused this instrument to be duly executed under its corporate seal.

Dated: ......

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THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By ....................

Attest:

......................

Section 203. Form of Reverse of Security.

This Security is one of a duly authorized issue of securities of the Company (herein called the "Securities"), issued and to be issued in one or more series under an Indenture, dated as of - herein called the "Indenture", which term shall have the meaning assigned to it in such instrument), between the Company and JPMorgan Chase Bank, as Trustee (herein called the "Trustee", which term includes any successor trustee under the Indenture), and reference is hereby made to the Indenture for a statement of the respective rights, limitations of rights, duties and immunities thereunder of the Company, the Trustee and the Holders of the Securities and of the terms upon which the Securities are, and are to be, authenticated and delivered. This Security is one of the series designated on the face hereof [if applicable, insert --, limited in aggregate principal amount to $...........].

[If applicable, insert -- The Securities of this series are subject to redemption upon not more than 60 or less than 30 days' notice by mail, [if applicable, insert -- (1) on ......... in any year commencing with the year ..... and ending with the year ...... through operation of the sinking fund for this series at a Redemption Price equal to 100% of the principal amount, and
(2)] at any time [on or after .........., 20..], as a whole or in part, at the election of the Company, at the following Redemption Prices (expressed as percentages of the principal amount): If redeemed [on or before ............., ....%, and if redeemed] during the 12-month period beginning ....... of the years indicated.

                     Redemption                                    Redemption
Year                    Price                Year                     Price
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and thereafter at a Redemption Price equal to .....,% of the principal amount, together in the case of any such redemption [if applicable, insert -- (whether through operation of the sinking fund or otherwise)] with accrued interest to the Redemption Date, but interest installments whose Stated Maturity is on or prior to such Redemption Date will be payable to the Holders of such Securities, or one or more Predecessor Securities, of record at the close of business on the relevant Record Dates referred to on the face hereof, all as provided in the Indenture.]

[If applicable, insert -- The Securities of this series are subject to redemption upon not more than 60 or less than 30 days' notice by mail, (1) on ............ in any year commencing with the year .... and ending with the year .... through operation of the sinking fund for this series at the Redemption Prices for redemption through operation of the sinking fund (expressed as percentages of the principal amount) set forth in the table below, and (2) at any time [on or after ..........., as a whole or in part, at the election of the Company, at the Redemption Prices for redemption otherwise than through operation of the sinking fund (expressed as percentages of the principal amount) set forth in the table below: If redeemed during the 12-month period beginning ............ of the years indicated,

                                                                     Redemption Price For
                                                                     Redemption Otherwise
                          Redemption Price For                           Than Through
                           Redemption Through                          Operation of the
Year                 Operation of the Sinking Fund                       Sinking Fund
----                 -----------------------------                   ---------------------

and thereafter at a Redemption Price equal to .....% of the principal amount, together in the case of any such

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redemption (whether through operation of the sinking fund or otherwise) with accrued interest to the Redemption Date, but interest installments whose Stated Maturity is on or prior to such Redemption Date will be payable to the Holders of such Securities, or one or more Predecessor Securities, of record at the close of business on the relevant Record Dates referred to on the face hereof, all as provided in the Indenture.]

[Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Company may not, prior to .... ..........., redeem any Securities of this series as contemplated by [Clause (2) of] the preceding paragraph as a part of, or in anticipation of, any refunding operation by the application, directly or indirectly, of moneys borrowed having an interest cost to the Company (calculated in accordance with generally accepted financial practice) of less than .....% per annum.]

[The sinking fund for this series provides for the redemption on .......... in each year beginning with the year ........ and ending with the year ...... of [not less than] $....... [("mandatory sinking fund") and not more than $..........] aggregate principal amount of Securities of this series.
[Securities of this series acquired or redeemed by the Company otherwise than through [mandatory] sinking fund payments may be credited against subsequent
[mandatory] sinking fund payments otherwise required to be made -- in the inverse order in which they become due.]

In the event of redemption of this Security in part only, a new Security or Securities of this series and of a like tenor for the unredeemed portion hereof will be issued in the name of the Holder hereof upon the cancellation hereof.

[If the Security is not an Original Issue Discount Security,-- If an Event of Default with respect to Securities of this series shall occur and be continuing, the principal of the Securities of this series may be declared due and payable in the manner and with the effect provided in the Indenture.]

[If the Security is an Original Issue Discount Security, -- If an Event of Default with respect to

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Securities of this series shall occur and be continuing, an amount of principal of the Securities of this series may be declared due and payable in the manner and with the effect provided in the Indenture. Such amount shall be equal to -- insert formula for determining the amount. Upon payment (i) of the amount of principal so declared due and payable and (ii) of interest on any overdue principal, premium and overdue interest (in each case to the extent that the payment of such interest shall be legally enforceable), all of the Company's obligations in respect of the payment of the principal of and premium and interest, if any, on the Securities of this series shall terminate.]

[The Indenture contains provisions for defeasance at any time of
[the entire indebtedness of this Security or] [certain restrictive covenants and Events of Default with respect to this Security] [, in each case] upon compliance with certain conditions set forth therein.]

The Indenture permits, with certain exceptions as therein provided, the amendment thereof and the modification of the rights and obligations of the Company and the rights of the Holders of the Securities of each series to be affected under the Indenture at any time by the Company and the Trustee with the consent of the majority of the Holders in principal amount of the Securities at the time Outstanding of each series to be affected. The Indenture also contains provisions permitting the Holders of specified percentages in principal amount of the Securities of each series at the time Outstanding, on behalf of the Holders of all Securities of such series, to waive compliance by the Company with certain provisions of the Indenture and certain past defaults under the Indenture and their consequences. Any such consent or waiver by the Holder of this Security shall be conclusive and binding upon such Holder and upon all future Holders of this Security and of any Security issued upon the registration of transfer hereof or in exchange herefor or in lieu hereof, whether or not notation of such consent or waiver is made upon this Security.

No reference herein to the Indenture and no provision of this Security or of the Indenture shall alter or impair the obligation of the Company, which is absolute and unconditional, to pay the principal of and any premium,

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and interest on this Security at the times, place and rate, and in the coin or currency, herein prescribed.

As provided in the Indenture and subject to certain limitations therein set forth, the transfer of this Security is registrable in the Security Register, upon surrender of this Security for registration of transfer at the office or agency of the Company in any place where the principal of and any premium and interest on this Security are payable, duly endorsed by, or accompanied by a written instrument of transfer in form satisfactory to the Company and the Security Registrar duly executed by, the Holder hereof or his attorney duly authorized in writing, and thereupon one or more new Securities of this series and of like tenor, of authorized denominations and for the same aggregate principal amount, will be issued to the designated transferee or transferees.

The Securities of this series are issuable only in registered form without coupons in denominations of $........ and any integral multiple thereof. As provided in the Indenture and subject to certain limitations therein set forth, Securities of this series are exchangeable for a like aggregate principal amount of Securities of this series and of like tenor of a different authorized denomination, as requested by the Holder surrendering the same.

No service charge shall be made for any such registration of transfer or exchange, but the Company may require payment of a sum sufficient to cover any tax or other governmental charge payable in connection therewith.

Prior to due presentment of this Security for registration of transfer, the Company, the Trustee and any agent of the Company or the Trustee may treat the Person in whose name this Security is registered as the owner hereof for all purposes, whether or not this Security be overdue, and neither the Company, the Trustee nor any such agent shall be affected by notice to the contrary.

All terms used in this Security which are defined in the Indenture shall have the meanings assigned to them in the Indenture.

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Section 204. Form of Legend for Global Securities.

Any Global Security authenticated and delivered hereunder shall bear a legend in substantially the following form:

"This Security is a Global Security within the meaning of the Indenture hereinafter referred to and is registered in the name of a Depository or a nominee thereof. This Security may not be exchanged in whole or in part for a Security registered, and no transfer of this Security in whole or in part may be registered in the name of any person other than such Depository or a nominee thereof, except in the limited circumstances described in the Indenture."

Section 205. Form of Trustee's Certificate of Authentication.

The Trustee's certificates of authentication shall be in substantially the following form:

This is one of the Securities of the series designated therein referred to in the within-mentioned Indenture.

JPMORGAN CHASE BANK,
as Trustee

By ....................
Authorized Officer

ARTICLE THREE

The Securities

Section 301. Amount Unlimited; Issuable in Series.

The aggregate principal amount of Securities which may be authenticated and delivered under this Indenture is unlimited.

The Securities may be issued in one or more series. There shall be established in or pursuant to a Board Resolution and, subject to Section 303, set forth, or

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determined in the manner provided, in an Officers' Certificate, or established in one or more indentures supplemental hereto, prior to the issuance of Securities of any series,

(1) the title of the Securities of the series (which shall distinguish the Securities of the series from Securities of any other series);

(2) any limit upon the aggregate principal amount of the Securities of the series which may be authenticated and delivered under this Indenture (except for Securities authenticated and delivered upon registration of transfer of, or in exchange for, or in lieu of, other Securities of the series pursuant to Section 304, 305, 306, 906 or 1107 and except for any Securities which, pursuant to Section 303, are deemed never to have been authenticated and delivered hereunder);

(3) the Person to whom any interest on a Security of the series shall be payable, if other than the Person in whose name that Security (or one or more Predecessor Securities) is registered at the close of business on the Regular Record Date for such interest;

(4) the date or dates on which the principal of the Securities of the series is payable;

(5) the rate or rates at which the Securities of the series shall bear interest, if any, the date or dates from which such interest shall accrue, the Interest Payment Dates on which such interest shall be payable and the Regular Record Date for the interest payable on any Interest Payment Date;

(6) the place or places where the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on Securities of the series shall be payable;

(7) the period or periods within which, the price or prices at which, and the terms and

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conditions upon which, Securities of the series may be redeemed, in whole or in part, at the option of the Company;

(8) the obligation, if any, of the Company to redeem or purchase Securities of the series pursuant to any sinking fund or analogous provisions or at the option of a Holder thereof and the period or periods within which, the price or prices at which and the terms and conditions upon which, Securities of the series shall be redeemed or purchased, in whole or in part, pursuant to such obligation;

(9) any provisions necessary to permit or facilitate the issuance, payment or conversion of any Securities of the series that may be converted into securities or other property other than Securities of the same series (including shares of the Company's common or preferred stock or other Securities of the Company) and of like tenor, whether in addition to, or in lieu of, any payment of principal or other amount and whether at the option of the Company or otherwise;

(10) if other than denominations of $1,000 and any integral multiple thereof, the denominations in which Securities of the series shall be issuable;

(11) the currency or currencies, including composite currencies, in which payment of the principal of and any premium and interest on the Securities of the series shall be payable if other than the currency of the United States of America;

(12) if the principal of or any premium or interest on any Securities of the series is to be payable, at the election of the Company or the Holder thereof, in one or more currencies, composite currencies or currency units other than that or those in which such Securities are stated to be payable, the currency, currencies, composite currency, composite currencies or currency units in which the principal of or any

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premium or interest on such Securities as to which such election is made shall be payable, the periods within which and the terms and conditions upon which such election is to be made and the amount so payable (or the manner in which such amount shall be determined);

(13) if the amount of payments of principal of and any premium or interest on the Securities of the series may be determined with reference to an index, a formula or any other method, the manner in which such amounts shall be determined;

(14) whether the Securities of the series shall be issued in whole or in part in the form of one or more Global Securities and, in such case, the Depository with respect to such Global Security or Securities and the circumstances under which any such Global Security may be exchanged for Securities registered in the name of, and any transfer of such Global Security may be registered in the name of, a Person other than such Depository or its nominee, if other than as set forth in
Section 305;

(15) if other than the principal amount thereof, the portion of the principal amount of Securities of the series which shall be payable upon declaration of acceleration of the Maturity thereof pursuant to
Section 502;

(16) the application, if any, of Section 1302 or 1303 to the Securities of any series;

(17) any proposed listing on any national or foreign securities exchange of the Securities of the series; and

(18) any other terms of the series (which terms shall not be inconsistent with the provisions of this Indenture).

All Securities of any one series shall be substantially identical except as to denomination and except as may otherwise be provided in or pursuant to the Board Resolution referred to above and (subject to Section

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303) set forth in the Officers' Certificate or in any such indenture supplemental hereto.

If any of the terms of the series are established by action taken pursuant to a Board Resolution, a copy of an appropriate record of such action shall be certified by the Secretary or an Assistant Secretary of the Company and delivered to the Trustee at or prior to the delivery of the Officers' Certificate setting forth the terms of the series.

Section 302. Denominations.

The Securities of each series shall be issuable in registered form without coupons in such denominations as shall be specified as contemplated by
Section 301. In the absence of any such provisions with respect to the Securities of any series, the Securities of such series shall be issuable in denominations of $1,000 and any integral multiple thereof.

Section 303. Execution, Authentication, Delivery and Dating.

The Securities shall be executed on behalf of the Company by its Chairman of the Board, its President or one of its Vice Presidents. The signature of any of these officers on the Securities may be manual or facsimile.

Securities bearing the manual or facsimile signatures of individuals who were at any time the proper officers of the Company shall bind the Company, notwithstanding that such individuals or any of them have ceased to hold such offices prior to the authentication and delivery of such Securities or did not hold such offices at the date of such Securities.

At any time and from time to time after the execution and delivery of this Indenture, the Company may deliver Securities of any series executed by the Company to the Trustee for authentication, together with a Company Order for the authentication and delivery of such Securities, and the Trustee in accordance with the Company Order shall authenticate and deliver such Securities. If the form or terms of the Securities of the series have been established in or pursuant to one or more Board Resolutions

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as permitted by Sections 201 and 301, in authenticating such Securities, and accepting the additional responsibilities under this Indenture in relation to such Securities, the Trustee shall be entitled to receive, and (subject to
Section 601) shall be fully protected in relying upon, an Opinion of Counsel stating,

(a) if the form of such Securities has been established by or pursuant to Board Resolution as permitted by Section 201, that such form has been established in conformity with the provisions of this Indenture;

(b) if the terms of such Securities have been established by or pursuant to Board Resolution as permitted by Section 301, that such terms have been established in conformity with the provisions of this Indenture; and

(c) that such Securities, when authenticated and delivered by the Trustee and issued by the Company in the manner and subject to any conditions specified in such Opinion of Counsel, will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company, enforceable in accordance with their terms, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting the enforcement of creditors' rights and to general equity principles.

If such form or terms have been so established, the Trustee shall not be required to authenticate such Securities if the issue of such Securities pursuant to this Indenture will affect the Trustee's own rights, duties or immunities under the Securities and this Indenture or otherwise in a manner which is not reasonably acceptable to the Trustee.

Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 301 and of the preceding paragraph, if all Securities of a series are not to be originally issued at one time, it shall not be necessary to deliver the Officers' Certificate otherwise required pursuant to Section 301 or the Company Order and Opinion of Counsel otherwise required pursuant to such preceding paragraph at or prior to the time of

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authentication of each Security of such series if such documents are delivered at or prior to the time of authentication upon original issuance of the first Security of such series to be issued.

Each Security shall be dated the date of its authentication.

No Security shall be entitled to any benefit under this Indenture or be valid or obligatory for any purpose unless there appears on such Security a certificate of authentication substantially in the form provided for herein executed by the Trustee by manual signature, and such certificate upon any Security shall be conclusive evidence, and the only evidence, that such Security has been duly authenticated and delivered hereunder and is entitled to the benefits of this Indenture. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if any Security shall have been authenticated and delivered hereunder but never issued and sold by the Company, and the Company shall deliver such Security to the Trustee for cancellation as provided in Section 309 together with a written statement (which need not comply with Section 102 and need not be accompanied by an Opinion of Counsel) stating that such Security has never been issued and sold by the Company, for all purposes of this Indenture such Security shall be deemed never to have been authenticated and delivered hereunder and shall never be entitled to the benefits of this Indenture.

Section 304. Temporary Securities.

Pending the preparation of definitive Securities of any series, the Company may execute, and upon Company Order the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver, temporary Securities which are printed, lithographed, typewritten, mimeographed or otherwise produced, in any authorized denomination, substantially of the tenor of the definitive Securities in lieu of which they are issued and with such appropriate insertions, omissions, substitutions and other variations as the officers executing such Securities may determine, as evidenced by their execution of such Securities.

If temporary Securities of any series are issued, the Company will cause definitive Securities of that series to be prepared without unreasonable delay. After the

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preparation of definitive Securities of such series, the temporary Securities of such series shall be exchangeable for definitive Securities of such series upon surrender of the temporary Securities of such series at the office or agency of the Company in a Place of Payment for that series, without charge to the Holder. Upon surrender for cancellation of any one or more temporary Securities of any series the Company shall execute and the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver in exchange therefor a like principal amount of definitive Securities of the same series and of a like tenor of authorized denominations. Until so exchanged the temporary Securities of any series shall in all respects be entitled to the same benefits under this Indenture as definitive Securities of such series.

Section 305. Registration, Registration of Transfer and Exchange.

The Company shall cause to be kept at the Corporate Trust Office of the Trustee a register (the register maintained in such office and in any other office or agency of the Company in a Place of Payment being herein sometimes collectively referred to as the "Security Register") in which, subject to such reasonable regulations as it may prescribe, the Company shall provide for the registration of Securities and of transfers of Securities. The Trustee is hereby appointed "Security Registrar" for the purpose of registering Securities and transfers of Securities as herein provided.

Upon surrender for registration of transfer of any Security of any series at the office or agency in a Place of Payment for that series, the Company shall execute, and the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver, in the name of the designated transferee or transferees, one or more new Securities of the same series, of any authorized denominations and of a like aggregate principal amount and tenor.

At the option of the Holder, Securities of any series may be exchanged for other Securities of the same series of any authorized denominations and of a like aggregate principal amount and tenor, upon surrender of the Securities to be exchanged at such office or agency. Whenever any Securities are so surrendered for exchange,

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the Company shall execute, and the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver, the Securities which the Holder making the exchange is entitled to receive.

All Securities issued upon any registration of transfer or exchange of Securities shall be the valid obligations of the Company, evidencing the same debt, and entitled to the same benefits under this Indenture, as the Securities surrendered upon such registration of transfer or exchange.

Every Security presented or surrendered for registration of transfer or for exchange shall (if so required by the Company or the Trustee) be duly endorsed, or be accompanied by a written instrument of transfer in form satisfactory to the Company and the Security Registrar duly executed, by the Holder thereof or his attorney duly authorized in writing.

No service charge shall be made for any registration of transfer or exchange of Securities, but the Company may require payment of a sum sufficient to cover any tax or other governmental charge that may be imposed in connection with any registration of transfer or exchange of Securities, other than exchanges pursuant to Section 304, 906 or 1107 not involving any transfer.

The Company shall not be required (i) to issue, register the transfer of or exchange Securities of any series during a period beginning at the opening of business 15 days before the day of the mailing of a notice of redemption of Securities of that series selected for redemption under Section 1103 and ending at the close of business on the day of such mailing, or (ii) to register the transfer of or exchange any Security so selected for redemption in whole or in part, except the unredeemed portion of any Security being redeemed in part.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, no Global Security shall be registered for transfer or exchange, or authenticated or delivered, pursuant to this Section 305 or Sections 304, 306, 906 or 1107 in the name of a Person other than the Depository for such Security or its nominee until (i) the Depository with respect to a Global Security notifies the Company that it is unwilling or unable to continue as Depository for such Global Security or the

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Depository ceases to be a clearing agency registered under the Exchange Act,
(ii) the Company executes and delivers to the Trustee a Company Order that such Global Security shall be so transferable and exchangeable or (iii) there shall have occurred and be continuing an Event of Default with respect to the Securities of such series. Upon the occurrence in respect of any Global Security of any series of any one or more of the conditions specified in clauses (i),
(ii) or (iii) of the preceding sentence or such other conditions as may be specified as contemplated by Section 301 for such series, such Global Security may be registered for transfer or exchange for Securities registered in the names of, or authenticated and delivered to, such Persons as the Depository with respect to such series shall direct.

Except as provided in the preceding paragraph, any Security authenticated and delivered upon registration of transfer of, or in exchange for, or in lieu of, any Global Security, whether pursuant to this Section,
Section 304, 306, 906 or 1107 or otherwise, shall also be a Global Security and bear the legend specified in Section 204.

Section 306. Mutilated, Destroyed, Lost and Stolen Securities.

If any mutilated Security is surrendered to the Trustee, the Company shall execute and the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver in exchange thereof or a new Security of the same series and of like tenor and principal amount and bearing a number not contemporaneously outstanding.

If there shall be delivered to the Company and the Trustee (i) evidence to their satisfaction of the destruction, loss or theft of any Security and (ii) such security or indemnity as may be required by them to save each of them and any agent of either of them harmless, then, in the absence of notice to the Company or the Trustee that such Security has been acquired by a protected purchaser, the Company shall execute and upon its request the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver, in lieu of any such destroyed, lost or stolen Security, a new Security of the same series and of like tenor and principal amount and bearing a number not contemporaneously outstanding.

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In case any such mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Security has become or is about to become due and payable, the Company in its discretion may, instead of issuing a new Security, pay such Security.

Upon the issuance of any new Security under this Section, the Company may require the payment of a sum sufficient to cover any tax or other governmental charge that may be imposed in relation thereto and any other expenses (including the fees and expenses of the Trustee) connected therewith.

Every new Security of any series issued pursuant to this Section in lieu of any destroyed, lost or stolen Security shall constitute an original additional contractual obligation of the Company, whether or not the destroyed, lost or stolen Security shall be at any time enforceable by anyone, and shall be entitled to all the benefits of this Indenture equally and proportionately with any and all other Securities of that series duly issued hereunder.

The provisions of this Section are exclusive and shall preclude (to the extent lawful) all other rights and remedies with respect to the replacement or payment of mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Securities.

Section 307. Payment of Interest; Interest Rights Preserved.

Unless otherwise provided as contemplated by Section 301 with respect to any series of Securities, interest on any Security which is payable, and is punctually paid or duly provided for, on any Interest Payment Date shall be paid to the Person in whose name that Security (or one or more Predecessor Securities) is registered at the close of business on the Regular Record Date for such interest.

Any interest on any Security of any series which is payable, but is not punctually paid or duly provided for, on any Interest Payment Date (herein called "Defaulted Interest") shall forthwith cease to be payable to the Holder on the relevant Regular Record Date by virtue of having been such Holder, and such Defaulted Interest may be

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paid by the Company, at its election in each case, as provided in Clause (1) or
(2) below:

(1) The Company may elect to make payment of any Defaulted Interest to the Persons in whose names the Securities of such series (or their respective Predecessor Securities) are registered at the close of business on a Special Record Date for the payment of such Defaulted Interest, which shall be fixed in the following manner. The Company shall notify the Trustee in writing of the amount of Defaulted Interest proposed to be paid on each Security of such series and the date of the proposed payment, and at the same time the Company shall deposit with the Trustee an amount of money equal to the aggregate amount proposed to be paid in respect of such Defaulted Interest or shall make arrangements satisfactory to the Trustee for such deposit prior to the date of the proposed payment, such money when deposited to be held in trust for the benefit of the Persons entitled to such Defaulted Interest as in this Clause provided. Thereupon the Trustee shall fix a Special Record Date for the payment of such Defaulted Interest which shall be not more than 15 days and not less than 10 days prior to the date of the proposed payment and not less than 10 days after the receipt by the Trustee of the notice of the proposed payment. The Trustee shall promptly notify the Company of such Special Record Date and, in the name and at the expense of the Company, shall cause notice of the proposed payment of such Defaulted Interest and the Special Record Date therefor to be mailed, first-class postage prepaid, to each Holder of Securities of such series at his address as it appears in the Security Register, not less than 10 days prior to such Special Record Date. Notice of the proposed payment of such Defaulted Interest and the Special Record Date therefor having been so mailed, such Defaulted Interest shall be paid to the Persons in whose names the Securities of such series (or their respective Predecessor Securities) are registered at the close of business on such Special Record Date and

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shall no longer be payable pursuant to the following Clause (2).

(2) The Company may make payment of any Defaulted Interest on the Securities of any series in any other lawful manner not inconsistent with the requirements of any securities exchange on which such Securities may be listed, and upon such notice as may be required by such exchange, if, after notice given by the Company to the Trustee of the proposed payment pursuant to this Clause, such manner of payment shall be deemed practicable by the Trustee.

Subject to the foregoing provisions of this Section, each Security delivered under this Indenture upon registration of transfer of or in exchange for or in lieu of any other Security shall carry the rights to interest accrued and unpaid, and to accrue, which were carried by such other Security.

Section 308. Persons Deemed Owners.

Prior to due presentment of a Security for registration of transfer, the Company, the Trustee and any agent of the Company or the Trustee may treat the Person in whose name such Security is registered as the owner of such Security for the purpose of receiving payment of principal of (and premium, if any) and (subject to Section 307) interest on such Security and for all other purposes whatsoever, whether or not such Security be overdue, and neither the Company, the Trustee nor any agent of the Company or the Trustee shall be affected by notice to the contrary.

Section 309. Cancellation.

All Securities surrendered for payment, redemption, registration of transfer or exchange or for credit against any sinking fund payment shall, if surrendered to any Person other than the Trustee, be delivered to the Trustee and shall be promptly cancelled by it. The Company may at any time deliver to the Trustee for cancellation any Securities previously authenticated and delivered hereunder which the Company may have acquired in

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any manner whatsoever, and may deliver to the Trustee (or to any other Person for delivery to the Trustee) for cancellation any Securities previously authenticated hereunder which the Company has not issued and sold, and all Securities so delivered shall be promptly cancelled by the Trustee. No Securities shall be authenticated in lieu of or in exchange for any Securities cancelled as provided in this Section, except as expressly permitted by this Indenture. All cancelled Securities held by the Trustee shall be disposed of in accordance with its normal procedures unless otherwise directed by a Company Order.

Section 310. Computation of Interest.

Except as otherwise specified as contemplated by Section 301 for Securities of any series, interest on the Securities of each series shall be computed on the basis of a 360-day year of twelve 30-day months.

ARTICLE FOUR

Satisfaction and Discharge

Section 401. Satisfaction and Discharge of Indenture.

This Indenture shall upon Company Request cease to be of further effect (except as to any surviving rights of registration of transfer or exchange of Securities herein expressly provided for), and the Trustee, at the expense of the Company, shall execute proper instruments acknowledging satisfaction and discharge of this Indenture, when

(1) either

(A) all Securities theretofore authenticated and delivered (other than (i) Securities which have been destroyed, lost or stolen and which have been replaced or paid as provided in Section 306 and (ii) Securities for whose payment money has theretofore been deposited in trust or segregated and held in trust by the Company and thereafter repaid to the Company or discharged from such trust, as provided in

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Section 1003) have been delivered to the Trustee for cancellation; or

(B) all such Securities not theretofore delivered to the Trustee for cancellation

(i) have become due and payable, or

(ii) will become due and payable at their Stated Maturity within one year, or

(iii) are to be called for redemption within one year under arrangements satisfactory to the Trustee for the giving of notice of redemption by the Trustee in the name, and at the expense, of the Company,

and the Company, in the case of (i), (ii) or (iii) above, has deposited or caused to be deposited with the Trustee as trust funds in trust for the purpose an amount sufficient to pay and discharge the entire indebtedness on such Securities not theretofore delivered to the Trustee for cancellation, for principal (and premium, if any) and interest to the date of such deposit (in the case of Securities which have become due and payable) or to the Stated Maturity or Redemption Date, as the case may be;

(2) the Company has paid or caused to be paid all other sums payable hereunder by the Company; and

(3) the Company has delivered to the Trustee an Officers' Certificate and an Opinion of Counsel, each stating that all conditions precedent herein provided for relating to the satisfaction and discharge of this Indenture have been complied with.

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Notwithstanding the satisfaction and discharge of this Indenture, the obligations of the Company to the Trustee under Section 607, the obligations of the Trustee to any Authenticating Agent under Section 614 and, if money shall have been deposited with the Trustee pursuant to subclause (B) of clause (1) of this Section, the obligations of the Trustee under Section 402 and the last paragraph of Section 1003 shall survive.

Section 402. Application of Trust Money.

Subject to provisions of the last paragraph of Section 1003, all money deposited with the Trustee pursuant to Section 401 shall be held in trust and applied by it, in accordance with the provisions of the Securities and this Indenture, to the payment, either directly or through any Paying Agent (including the Company acting as its own Paying Agent) as the Trustee may determine, to the Persons entitled thereto, of the principal (and premium, if any) and interest for whose payment such money has been deposited with the Trustee.

ARTICLE FIVE

Remedies

Section 501. Events of Default.

"Event of Default", wherever used herein with respect to Securities of any series, means any one of the following events (whatever the reason for such Event of Default and whether it shall be voluntary or involuntary or be effected by operation of law or pursuant to any judgment, decree or order of any court or any order, rule or regulation of any administrative or governmental body):

(1) default in the payment of any interest upon any Security of that series when it becomes due and payable, and continuance of such default for a period of 30 days; or

(2) default in the payment of the principal of (or premium, if any, on) any Security of that series at its Maturity; or

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(3) default in the deposit of any sinking fund payment, when and as due by the terms of a Security of that series; or

(4) default in the performance, or breach, of any covenant or warranty of the Company in this Indenture (other than a covenant or warranty a default in whose performance or whose breach is elsewhere in this Section specifically dealt with or which has expressly been included in this Indenture solely for the benefit of a series of Securities other than that series), and continuance of such default or breach for a period of 90 days after there has been given, by registered or certified mail, to the Company by the Trustee or to the Company and the Trustee by the Holders of at least 25% in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of that series a written notice specifying such default or breach and requiring it to be remedied and stating that such notice is a "Notice of Default" hereunder; or

(5) the entry by a court having jurisdiction in the premises of (A) a decree or order for relief in respect of the Company in an involuntary case or proceeding under any applicable Federal or State bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization or other similar law or (B) a decree or order adjudging the Company a bankrupt or insolvent, or approving as properly filed a petition seeking reorganization, arrangement, adjustment or composition of or in respect of the Company under any applicable Federal or State law, or appointing a custodian, receiver, liquidator, assignee, trustee, sequestrator or other similar official of the Company or of any substantial part of its property, or ordering the winding up or liquidation of its affairs, and the continuance of any such decree or order for relief or any such other decree or order unstayed and in effect for a period of 90 consecutive days; or

(6) the commencement by the Company of a voluntary case or proceeding under any applicable

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Federal or State bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization or other similar law or of any other case or proceeding to be adjudicated a bankrupt or insolvent, or the consent by it to the entry of a decree or order for relief in respect of the Company in an involuntary case or proceeding under any applicable Federal or State bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization or other similar law or to the commencement of any bankruptcy or insolvency case or proceeding against it, or the filing by it of a petition or answer or consent seeking reorganization or relief under any applicable Federal or State law, or the consent by it to the filing of such petition or to the appointment of or taking possession by a custodian, receiver, liquidator, assignee, trustee, sequestrator or similar official of the Company or of any substantial part of its property, or the making by it of an assignment for the benefit of creditors, or the admission by it in writing of its inability to pay its debts generally as they become due, or the taking of corporate action by the Company in furtherance of any such action; or

(7) any other Event of Default provided with respect to Securities of that series.

Upon receipt by the Trustee of any Notice of Default pursuant to this Section 501 with respect to Securities of a series all or part of which is represented by a Global Security, a record date shall be established for determining Holders of Outstanding Securities of such series entitled to join in such Notice of Default, which record date shall be at the close of business on the day the Trustee receives such Notice of Default. The Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to join in such Notice of Default, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless Holders of at least 25% in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of such series, or their proxies, shall have joined in such Notice of Default prior to the date which is the ninetieth day after such record date, such Notice of Default shall automatically and without further action by any Holder be cancelled and of no further

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effect. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent a Holder, or a proxy of a Holder, from giving, (i) after expiration of such 90-day period, a new Notice of Default identical to a Notice of Default which has been cancelled pursuant to the proviso to the preceding sentence or (ii) during any such 90-day period, an additional Notice of Default with respect to any new or different fact or circumstance permitting the giving of a Notice of Default with respect to Securities of such series, in either of which events a new record date shall be established pursuant to the provisions of this Section 501.

Section 502. Acceleration of Maturity; Rescission and Annulment.

If an Event of Default with respect to Securities of any series at the time Outstanding occurs and is continuing, then and in every such case the Trustee or the Holders of not less than 25% in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of that series may declare the principal amount (or, if any of the Securities of that series are Original Issue Discount Securities, such portion of the principal amount of such Securities as may be specified in the terms thereof) of all of the Securities of that series to be due and payable immediately, by a notice in writing to the Company (and to the Trustee if given by Holders), and upon any such declaration such principal amount (or specified amount) shall become immediately due and payable.

At any time after such a declaration of acceleration with respect to Securities of any series has been made and before a judgment or decree for payment of the money due has been obtained by the Trustee as hereinafter in this Article provided, the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of that series, by written notice to the Company and the Trustee, may rescind and annul such declaration and its consequences if

(1) the Company has paid or deposited with the Trustee a sum sufficient to pay

(A) all overdue interest on all Securities of that series,

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(B) the principal of (and premium, if any, on) any Securities of that series which have become due otherwise than by such declaration of acceleration and interest thereon at the rate or rates prescribed therefor in such Securities,

(C) to the extent that payment of such interest is lawful, interest upon overdue interest at the rate or rates prescribed therefor in such Securities, and

(D) all sums paid or advanced by the Trustee hereunder and the reasonable compensation, expenses, disbursements and advances of the Trustee, its agents and counsel;

and

(2) all Events of Default with respect to Securities of that series, other than the non-payment the principal of Securities of that series which have become due solely by such declaration of acceleration, have been cured or waived as of provided in Section 513.

No such rescission shall affect any subsequent default or impair any right consequent thereon.

Upon receipt by the Trustee of written notice declaring such an acceleration, or rescission and annulment thereof, with respect to Securities of a series all or part of which is represented by a Global Security, a record date shall be established for determining Holders of Outstanding Securities of such series entitled to join in such notice, which record date shall be at the close of business on the day the Trustee receives such notice. The Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to join in such notice, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless such declaration of acceleration, or rescission and annulment, as the case may be, shall have become effective by virtue of the requisite percentage having joined in such notice prior to the day which is the ninetieth day after such

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record date, such notice of declaration of acceleration, or rescission and annulment, as the case may be, shall automatically and without further action by any Holder be cancelled and of no further effect. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent a Holder, or a proxy of a Holder, of Securities of any series from giving, (i) after expiration of such 90-day period, a new written notice of declaration of acceleration, or rescission and annulment thereof, as the case may be, that is identical to a written notice which has been cancelled pursuant to the proviso to the preceding sentence or (ii) during any such 90-day period an additional written notice of declaration of acceleration with respect to any other Event of Default with respect to Securities of such series, or an additional written notice of rescission or annulment of any declaration of acceleration with respect to any other Event of Default with respect to Securities of such series, in either of which events a new record date shall be established pursuant to the provisions of this Section 502.

Section 503. Collection of Indebtedness and Suits for Enforcement by Trustee.

The Company covenants that if

(1) default is made in the payment of any interest on any Security when such interest becomes due and payable and such default continues for a period of 30 days, or

(2) default is made in the payment of the principal of (or premium, if any, on) any Security at the Maturity thereof,

the Company will, upon demand of the Trustee, pay to it, for the benefit of the Holders of such Securities, the whole amount then due and payable on such Securities for principal (and premium, if any) and interest and, to the extent that payment of such interest shall be legally enforceable, interest on any overdue principal (and premium, if any) and on any overdue interest, at the rate or rates prescribed therefor in such Securities, and, in addition thereto, such further amount as shall be sufficient to cover the costs and expenses of collection, including the reasonable compensation, expenses,

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disbursements and advances of the Trustee, its agents and counsel.

If the Company fails to pay such amounts forthwith upon such demand, the Trustee, in its own name and as trustee of an express trust, may institute a judicial proceeding for the collection of the sums so due and unpaid, may prosecute such proceeding to judgment or final decree and may enforce the same against the Company or any other obligor upon such Securities and collect the moneys adjudged or decreed to be payable in the manner provided by law out of the property of the Company or any other obligor upon such Securities, wherever situated.

If an Event of Default with respect to Securities of any series occurs and is continuing, the Trustee may in its discretion proceed to protect and enforce its rights and the rights of the Holders of Securities of such series by such appropriate judicial proceedings as the Trustee shall deem most effectual to protect and enforce any such rights, whether for the specific enforcement of any covenant or agreement in this Indenture or in aid of the exercise of any power granted herein, or to enforce any other proper remedy.

Section 504. Trustee May File Proofs of Claim.

In case of the pendency of any receivership, insolvency, liquidation, bankruptcy, reorganization, arrangement, adjustment, composition or other judicial proceeding relative to the Company or any other obligor upon the Securities or the property of the Company or of such other obligor or their creditors, the Trustee (irrespective of whether the principal of the Securities shall then be due and payable as therein expressed or by declaration or otherwise and irrespective of whether the Trustee shall have made any demand on the Company for the payment of overdue principal or interest) shall be entitled and empowered, by intervention in such proceeding or otherwise,

(i) to file and prove a claim for the whole amount of principal (and premium, if any) and interest owing and unpaid in respect of the Securities and to file such other papers or documents as may be necessary or advisable in

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order to have the claims of the Trustee (including any claim for the reasonable compensation, expenses, disbursements and advances of the Trustee, its agents and counsel) and of the Holders allowed in such judicial proceeding, and

(ii) to collect and receive any moneys or other property payable or deliverable on any such claims and to distribute the same;

and any custodian, receiver, assignee, trustee, liquidator, sequestrator or other similar official in any such judicial proceeding is hereby authorized by each Holder to make such payments to the Trustee and, in the event that the Trustee shall consent to the making of such payments directly to the Holders, to pay to the Trustee any amount due it for the reasonable compensation, expenses, disbursements and advances of the Trustee, its agents and counsel, and any other amounts due the Trustee under Section 607.

Nothing herein contained shall be deemed to authorize the Trustee to authorize or consent to or accept or adopt on behalf of any Holder any plan of reorganization, arrangement, adjustment or composition affecting the Securities or the rights of any Holder thereof or to authorize the Trustee to vote in respect of the claim of any Holder in any such proceeding.

Section 505. Trustee May Enforce Claims Without Possession of Securities.

All rights of action and claims under this Indenture or the Securities may be prosecuted and enforced by the Trustee without the possession of any of the Securities or the production thereof in any proceeding relating thereto, and any such proceeding instituted by the Trustee shall be brought in its own name as trustee of an express trust, and any recovery of judgment shall, after provision for the payment of the reasonable compensation, expenses, disbursements and advances of the Trustee, its agents and counsel, be for the ratable benefit of the Holders of the Securities in respect of which such judgment has been recovered.

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Section 506. Application of Money Collected.

Any money collected by the Trustee pursuant to this Article shall be applied in the following order, at the date or dates fixed by the Trustee and, in case of the distribution of such money on account of principal (or premium, if any) or interest, upon presentation of the Securities and the notation thereon of the payment if only partially paid and upon surrender thereof if fully paid:

FIRST: To the payment of all amounts due the Trustee under Section 607, including the reasonable fees and expenses of its counsel; and

SECOND: To the payment of the amounts then due and unpaid for principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on the Securities in respect of which or for the benefit of which such money has been collected, ratably, without preference or priority of any kind, according to the amounts due and payable on such Securities for principal (and premium, if any) and interest, respectively.

Section 507. Limitation on Suits.

No Holder of any Security of any series shall have any right to institute any proceeding, judicial or otherwise, with respect to this Indenture, or for the appointment of a receiver or trustee, or for any other remedy hereunder, unless

(1) such Holder has previously given written notice to the Trustee of a continuing Event of Default with respect to the Securities of that series;

(2) the Holders of not less than 25% in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of that series shall have made written request to the Trustee to institute proceedings in respect of such Event of Default in its own name as Trustee hereunder;

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costs, expenses and liabilities to be incurred in compliance with such request;

(4) the Trustee for 90 days after its receipt of such notice, request and offer of indemnity has failed to institute any such proceeding; and

(5) no direction inconsistent with such written request has been given to the Trustee during such 90-day period by the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of that series;

it being understood and intended that no one or more of such Holders shall have any right in any manner whatever by virtue of, or by availing of, any provision of this Indenture to affect, disturb or prejudice the rights of any other of such Holders, or to obtain or to seek to obtain priority or preference over any other of such Holders or to enforce any right under this Indenture, except in the manner herein provided and for the equal and ratable benefit of all of such Holders.

Section 508. Unconditional Right of Holders to Receive Principal, Premium and Interest.

Notwithstanding any other provision in this Indenture, the Holder of any Security shall have the right, which is absolute and unconditional, to receive payment of the principal of (and premium, if any) and (subject to
Section 307) interest on such Security on the Stated Maturity or Maturities expressed in such Security (or, in the case of redemption, on the Redemption Date) and to institute suit for the enforcement of any such payment, and such rights shall not be impaired without the consent of such Holder.

Section 509. Restoration of Rights and Remedies.

If the Trustee or any Holder has instituted any proceeding to enforce any right or remedy under this Indenture and such proceeding has been discontinued or abandoned for any reason, or has been determined adversely to the Trustee or to such Holder, then and in every such case, subject to any determination in such proceeding, the

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Company, the Trustee and the Holders shall be restored severally and respectively to their former positions hereunder and thereafter all rights and remedies of the Trustee and the Holders shall continue as though no such proceeding had been instituted.

Section 510. Rights and Remedies Cumulative.

Except as otherwise provided with respect to the replacement or payment of mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Securities in the last paragraph of Section 306, no right or remedy herein conferred upon or reserved to the Trustee or to the Holders is intended to be exclusive of any other right or remedy, and every right and remedy shall, to the extent permitted by law, be cumulative and in addition to every other right and remedy given hereunder or now or hereafter existing at law or in equity or otherwise. The assertion or employment of any right or remedy hereunder, or otherwise, shall not prevent the concurrent assertion or employment of any other appropriate right or remedy.

Section 511. Delay or Omission Not Waiver.

No delay or omission of the Trustee or of any Holder of any Securities to exercise any right or remedy accruing upon any Event of Default shall impair any such right or remedy or constitute a waiver of any such Event of Default or an acquiescence therein. Every right and remedy given by this Article or by law to the Trustee or to the Holders may be exercised from time to time, and as often as may be deemed expedient, by the Trustee or by the Holders, as the case may be.

Section 512. Control by Holders.

The Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of any series shall have the right to direct the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Trustee, or exercising any trust or power conferred on the Trustee, with respect to the Securities of such series, provided that

(1) such direction shall not be in conflict with any rule of law or with this Indenture, and

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(2) the Trustee may take any other action deemed proper by the Trustee which is not inconsistent with such direction.

Upon receipt by the Trustee of any written notice directing the time, method or place of conducting any such proceeding or exercising any such trust or power, with respect to Securities of a series all or part of which is represented by a Global Security, a record date shall be established for determining Holders of Outstanding Securities of such series entitled to join in such notice, which record date shall be at the close of business on the day the Trustee receives such notice. The Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to join in such notice, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of such series shall have joined in such notice prior to the day which is the ninetieth day after such record date, such notice shall automatically and without further action by any Holder be cancelled and of no further effect. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent a Holder, or a proxy of a Holder, from giving, (i) after expiration of such 90-day period, a new notice identical to a notice which has been cancelled pursuant to the proviso to the preceding sentence or (ii) during any such 90-day period, a new direction contrary to or different from such direction, in either of which events a new record date shall be established pursuant to the provisions of this Section 512.

Section 513. Waiver of Past Defaults.

Subject to Section 502, the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of any series may, by notice to the Trustee, waive an existing or past default with respect to the Securities of such series and its consequences, except a default

(1) in the payment of principal of (or premium, if any) or interest on any Security of such series, or in the deposit of any sinking fund payment when and as due,

(2) in respect of a covenant or provision hereof which under Article Nine cannot be

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modified or amended without the consent of the Holder of each Outstanding Security of such series affected, or

(3) in respect of an existing or past default described in clause
(4), (5) or (6) of Section 501, which may be waived by the Holders of a majority in principal amount of all Outstanding Securities voting together as a single class.

The Company may, but shall not be obligated to, fix a record date for the purpose of determining the Persons entitled to waive any past default hereunder. If a record date is fixed, the Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to waive any default hereunder, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless such majority in principal amount shall have waived such default prior to the date which is the ninetieth day after such record date, any such waiver previously given shall automatically and without further action by any Holder be cancelled and of no further effect.

Upon any such waiver, such default shall cease to exist, and any Event of Default arising therefrom shall be deemed to have been cured, for every purpose of this Indenture; but no such waiver shall extend to any subsequent or other default or impair any right consequent thereon.

Section 514. Undertaking for Costs.

All parties to this Indenture agree, and each Holder of any Security by his acceptance thereof shall be deemed to have agreed, that any court may in its discretion require, in any suit for the enforcement of any right or remedy under this Indenture, or in any suit against the Trustee for any action taken, suffered or omitted by it as Trustee, the filing by any party litigant in such suit of an undertaking to pay the costs of such suit, and that such court may in its discretion assess reasonable costs, including reasonable attorneys' fees, against any party litigant in such suit, having due regard to the merits and good faith of the claims or defenses made by such party

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litigant; but the provisions of this Section shall not apply to any suit instituted by the Company, to any suit instituted by the Trustee, to any suit instituted by any Holder, or group of Holders, holding in the aggregate more than 10% in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of any series, or to any suit instituted by any Holder for the enforcement of the payment of the principal of (or premium, if any) or interest on any Security on or after the Stated Maturity or Maturities expressed in such Security (or, in the case of redemption, on or after the Redemption Date).

Section 515. Waiver of Stay or Extension Laws.

The Company covenants (to the extent that it may lawfully do so) that it will not at any time insist upon, or plead, or in any manner whatsoever claim or take the benefit or advantage of, any stay or extension law wherever enacted, now or at any time hereafter in force, which may affect the covenants or the performance of this Indenture; and the Company (to the extent that it may lawfully do so) hereby expressly waives all benefit or advantage of any such law and covenants that it will not hinder, delay or impede the execution of any power herein granted to the Trustee, but will suffer and permit the execution of every such power as though no such law had been enacted.

ARTICLE SIX

The Trustee

Section 601. Certain Duties and Responsibilities.

(a) Except during the continuance of an Event of Default,

(1) the Trustee undertakes to perform such duties and only such duties as are specifically set forth in this Indenture, and no implied covenants or obligations shall be read into this Indenture against the Trustee; and

(2) in the absence of bad faith on its part, the Trustee may conclusively rely, as to the truth of the statements and the correctness

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of the opinions expressed therein, upon certificates or opinions furnished to the Trustee and conforming to the requirements of this Indenture; but in the case of any such certificates or opinions which by any provision hereof are specifically required to be furnished to the Trustee, the Trustee shall be under a duty to examine the same to determine whether or not they conform to the requirements of this Indenture.

(b) In case an Event of Default has occurred and is continuing, the Trustee shall exercise such of the rights and powers vested in it by this Indenture, and use the same degree of care and skill in their exercise, as a prudent man would exercise or use under the circumstances in the conduct of his own affairs.

(c) No provision of this Indenture shall be construed to relieve the Trustee from liability for its own negligent action, its own negligent failure to act, or its own willful misconduct, except that

(1) this Subsection shall not be construed to limit the effect of Subsection (a) of this Section;

(2) the Trustee shall not be liable for any error of judgment made in good faith by a Responsible Officer, unless it shall be proved that the Trustee was negligent in ascertaining the pertinent facts;

(3) the Trustee shall not be liable with respect to any action taken or omitted to be taken by it in good faith in accordance with the direction of the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the outstanding Securities of any series, determined as provided in Section 512, relating to the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Trustee, or exercising any trust or power conferred upon the Trustee, under this Indenture with respect to the Securities of such series; and

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(4) no provision of this Indenture shall require the Trustee to expend or risk its own funds or otherwise incur any financial liability in the performance of any of its duties hereunder, or in the exercise of any of its rights or powers, if it shall have reasonable grounds for believing that repayment of such funds or adequate indemnity against such risk or liability is not reasonably assured to it.

(d) Whether or not therein expressly so provided, every provision of this Indenture relating to the conduct or affecting the liability of or affording protection to the Trustee shall be subject to the provisions of this Section.

Section 602. Notice of Defaults.

Within 90 days after the occurrence of any default hereunder with respect to the Securities of any series, the Trustee shall transmit by mail to all Holders of Securities of such series, as their names and addresses appear in the Security Register, notice of such default hereunder known to the Trustee, unless such default shall have been cured or waived; provided, however, that, except in the case of a default in the payment of the principal of (or premium, if any) or interest on any Security of such series or in the payment of any sinking fund installment with respect to Securities of such series, the Trustee shall be protected in withholding such notice if and so long as the board of directors, the executive committee or a trust committee of directors or Responsible Officers of the Trustee in good faith determine that the withholding of such notice is in the interest of the Holders of Securities of such series; and provided, further, that in the case of any default of the character specified in Section 501(4) with respect to Securities of such series, no such notice to Holders shall be given until at least 30 days after the occurrence thereof. For the purpose of this Section, the term "default" means any event which is, or after notice or lapse of time or both would become, an Event of Default with respect to Securities of such series.

Section 603. Certain Rights of Trustee.

Subject to the provisions of Section 601:

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(a) the Trustee may conclusively rely and shall be fully protected in acting or refraining from acting upon any resolution, certificate, statement, instrument, opinion, report, notice, request, direction, consent, order, bond, debenture, note, other evidence of indebtedness or other paper or document believed by it to be genuine and to have been signed or presented by the proper party or parties;

(b) any request or direction of the Company mentioned herein shall be sufficiently evidenced by a Company Request or Company Order or as otherwise expressly provided herein and any resolution of the Board of Directors may be sufficiently evidenced by a Board Resolution;

(c) whenever in the administration of this Indenture the Trustee shall deem it desirable that a matter be proved or established prior to taking, suffering or omitting any action hereunder, the Trustee (unless other evidence be herein specifically prescribed) may, in the absence of bad faith on its part, conclusively rely upon an Officers' Certificate;

(d) the Trustee may consult with counsel and the written advice of such counsel or any Opinion of Counsel shall be full and complete authorization and protection in respect of any action taken, suffered or omitted by it hereunder in good faith and in reliance thereon;

(e) the Trustee shall be under no obligation to exercise any of the rights or powers vested in it by this Indenture at the request or direction of any of the Holders pursuant to this Indenture, unless such Holders shall have offered to the Trustee reasonable security or indemnity against the costs, expenses and liabilities which might be incurred by it in compliance with such request or direction;

(f) the Trustee shall not be bound to make any investigation into the facts or matters stated in any resolution, certificate, statement,

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instrument, opinion, report, notice, request, direction, consent, order, bond, debenture, note, other evidence of indebtedness or other paper or document, but the Trustee, in its discretion, may make such further inquiry or investigation into such facts or matters as it may see fit, and, if the Trustee shall determine to make such further inquiry or investigation, it shall be entitled to examine the books, records and premises of the Company, personally or by agent or attorney;

(g) the Trustee may execute any of the trusts or powers hereunder or perform any duties hereunder either directly or by or through agents or attorneys and the Trustee shall not be responsible for any misconduct or negligence on the part of any agent or attorney appointed with due care by it hereunder;

(h) the Trustee shall not be liable for any action taken, suffered, or omitted to be taken by it in good faith and reasonably believed by it to be authorized or within the discretion or rights or powers conferred upon it by this Indenture; and

(i) the Trustee shall not be charged with knowledge of any default or Event of Default with respect to the Securities unless either (1) a Responsible Officer shall have actual knowledge of such default or Event of Default or (2) written notice of such default or Event of Default shall have been given to the Trustee by the Company or by any Holder of the Securities.

Section 604. Not Responsible for Recitals or Issuance of Securities.

The recitals contained herein and in the Securities, except the Trustee's certificates of authentication, shall be taken as the statements of the Company, and the Trustee or any Authenticating Agent assumes no responsibility for their correctness. The Trustee makes no representations as to the validity or sufficiency of this Indenture or of the Securities. The Trustee or any Authenticating Agent shall not be accountable for the use or application by the Company of Securities or the proceeds thereof.

Section 605. May Hold Securities.

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Company, in its individual or any other capacity, may become the owner or pledgee of Securities and, subject to Sections 608 and 613, may otherwise deal with the Company with the same rights it would have if it were not Trustee, Authenticating Agent, Paying Agent, Security Registrar or such other agent.

Section 606. Money Held in Trust.

Money held by the Trustee in trust hereunder need not be segregated from other funds except to the extent required by law. The Trustee shall be under no liability for interest on any money received by it hereunder except as otherwise agreed with the Company.

Section 607. Compensation and Reimbursement.

The Company agrees

(1) to pay to the Trustee from time to time reasonable compensation for all services rendered by it hereunder (which compensation shall not be limited by any provision of law in regard to the compensation of a trustee of an express trust);

(2) except as otherwise expressly provided herein, to reimburse the Trustee upon its request for all reasonable expenses, disbursements and advances incurred or made by the Trustee in accordance with any provision of this Indenture (including the reasonable compensation and the expenses and disbursements of its agents and counsel), except any such expense, disbursement or advance as may be attributable to its negligence or bad faith; and

(3) to indemnify the Trustee for, and to hold it harmless against, any loss, liability or expense incurred without negligence or bad faith on its part, arising out of or in connection with the acceptance or administration of the trust or trusts hereunder (including the reasonable compensation and the expenses and disbursements of its counsel), including the costs and expenses of defending itself against any claim or liability in connection with the exercise or

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performance of any of its powers or duties hereunder.

When the Trustee incurs expenses or renders services in connection with an Event of Default specified in Section 501(5) and 501(6), the expenses (including the reasonable charges and expenses of its counsel) and the compensation for the services are intended to constitute expenses of administration under any applicable Federal or State bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization, or other similar law.

To secure the Company's payment obligations in this Section 607, the Trustee shall have a lien prior to the Securities on all money or property held or collected by the Trustee, in its capacity as Trustee, except money or property held in trust to pay principal of, premium, if any, and interest on particular Securities.

The provisions of this Section 607 shall survive the resignation or removal of the Trustee and the termination of this Indenture.

Section 608. Disqualification; Conflicting Interests.

The Trustee for the Securities of any series issued hereunder shall be subject to the provisions of Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act during the period of time provided for therein. In determining whether the Trustee has a conflicting interest as defined in Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act with respect to the Securities of any series, there shall be excluded this Indenture with respect to Securities of any particular series of Securities other than that series.

Nothing herein shall prevent the Trustee from filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission the application referred to in the second to last paragraph of section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act.

Section 609. Corporate Trustee Required; Eligibility.

There shall at all times be a Trustee hereunder which shall be a corporation organized and doing business under the laws of the United States of America, any State thereof or the District of Columbia, authorized under such

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laws to exercise corporate trust powers, having a combined capital and surplus of at least $50,000,000. If such corporation publishes reports of condition at least annually, pursuant to law or to the requirements of said supervising or examining authority, then for the purposes of this Section, the combined capital and surplus of such corporation shall be deemed to be its combined capital and surplus as set forth in its most recent report of condition so published. If at any time the Trustee shall cease to be eligible in accordance with the provisions of this Section, it shall resign immediately in the manner and with the effect hereinafter specified in this Article.

Section 610. Resignation and Removal; Appointment of Successor.

(a) No resignation or removal of the Trustee and no appointment of a successor Trustee pursuant to this Article shall become effective until the acceptance of appointment by the successor Trustee in accordance with the applicable requirements of Section 611.

(b) The Trustee may resign at any time with respect to the Securities of one or more series by giving written notice thereof to the Company. If the instrument of acceptance by a successor Trustee required by
Section 611 shall not have been delivered to the Trustee within 30 days after the giving of such notice of resignation, the resigning Trustee may petition any court of competent jurisdiction for the appointment of a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of such series.

(c) The Trustee may be removed at any time with respect to the Securities of any series by Act of the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of such series, delivered to the Trustee and to the Company.

(d) If at any time:

(1) the Trustee shall fail to comply with Section 608(a) after written request therefor by the Company or by any Holder who has been a bona

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fide Holder of a Security for at least six months, or

(2) the Trustee shall cease to be eligible under Section 609 and shall fail to resign after written request thereof or by the Company or by any such Holder, or

(3) the Trustee shall become incapable of acting or shall be adjudged a bankrupt or insolvent or a receiver of the Trustee or of its property shall be appointed or any public officer shall take charge or control of the Trustee or of its property or affairs for the purpose of rehabilitation, conservation or liquidation,

then, in any such case, (i) the Company by a Board Resolution may remove the Trustee with respect to all securities, or (ii) subject to Section 514, any Holder who has been a bona fide Holder of a Security for at least six months may, on behalf of himself and all others similarly situated, petition any court of competent jurisdiction for the removal of the Trustee with respect to all Securities and the appointment of a successor Trustee or Trustees.

(e) If the Trustee shall resign, be removed or become incapable of acting, or if a vacancy shall occur in the office of Trustee for any cause, with respect to the Securities of one or more series, the Company, by a Board Resolution, shall promptly appoint a successor Trustee or Trustees with respect to the Securities of that or those series (it being understood that any such successor Trustee may be appointed with respect to the Securities of one or more or all of such series and that at any time there shall be only one Trustee with respect to the Securities of any particular series) and shall comply with the applicable requirements of Section 611. If, within one year after such resignation, removal or incapability, or the occurrence of such vacancy, a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of any Series shall be appointed by Act of the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of such series delivered to the Company and the retiring Trustee, the successor Trustee so appointed shall, forthwith upon its acceptance of such appointment in accordance with the applicable requirements of Section 611, become the successor Trustee with respect

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to the Securities of such series and to that extent supersede the successor Trustee appointed by the Company. If no successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of any Series shall have been so appointed by the Company or the Holders and accepted appointment in the manner required by Section 611, any Holder who has been a bona fide Holder of a Security of such series for at least six months may, on behalf of himself and all others similarly situated, petition any court of competent jurisdiction for the appointment of a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of such series.

(f) The Company shall give notice of each resignation and each removal of the Trustee with respect to the Securities of any series and each appointment of a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of any series by mailing written notice of such event by first-class mail, postage prepaid, to all Holders of Securities of such series as their names and addresses appear in the Security Register. Each notice shall include the name of the successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of such series and the address of its Corporate Trust Office.

Section 611. Acceptance of Appointment by Successor.

(a) In case of the appointment hereunder of a successor Trustee with respect to all Securities, every such successor Trustee so appointed shall execute, acknowledge and deliver to the Company and to the retiring Trustee an instrument accepting such appointment, and thereupon the resignation or removal of the retiring Trustee shall become effective and such successor Trustee, without any further act, deed or conveyance, shall become vested with all the rights, powers, trusts and duties of the retiring Trustee; but, on the request of the Company or the successor Trustee, such retiring Trustee shall, upon payment of its charges, execute and deliver an instrument transferring to such successor Trustee all the rights, powers and trusts of the retiring Trustee and shall duly assign, transfer and deliver to such successor Trustee all property and money held by such retiring Trustee hereunder.

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Securities of one or more series shall execute and deliver an indenture supplemental hereto wherein each successor Trustee shall accept such appointment and which (1) shall contain such provisions as shall be necessary or desirable to transfer and confirm to, and to vest in, each successor Trustee all the rights, powers, trusts and duties of the retiring Trustee with respect to the Securities of that or those series to which the appointment of such successor Trustee relates, (2) if the retiring Trustee is not retiring with respect to all Securities, shall contain such provisions as shall be deemed necessary or desirable to confirm that all the rights, powers, trusts and duties of the retiring Trustee with respect to the Securities of that or those series as to which the retiring Trustee is not retiring shall continue to be vested in the retiring Trustee, and (3) shall add to or change any of the provisions of this Indenture as shall be necessary to provide for or facilitate the administration of the trusts hereunder by more than one Trustee, it being understood that nothing herein or in such supplemental indenture shall constitute such Trustees co- trustees of the same trust and that each such Trustee shall be trustee of a trust or trusts hereunder separate and apart from any trust or trusts hereunder administered by any other such Trustee; and upon the execution and delivery of such supplemental indenture the resignation or removal of the retiring Trustee shall become effective to the extent provided therein and each such successor Trustee, without any further act, deed or conveyance, shall become vested with all the rights, powers, trusts and duties of the retiring Trustee with respect to the Securities of that or those series to which the appointment of such successor Trustee relates; but, on request of the Company or any successor Trustee, such retiring Trustee shall duly assign, transfer and deliver to such successor Trustee all property and money held by such retiring Trustee hereunder with respect to the Securities of that or those series to which the appointment of such successor Trustee relates.

(c) Upon request of any such successor Trustee, the Company shall execute any and all instruments for more fully and certainly vesting in and confirming to such successor Trustee all such rights, powers and trusts referred to in paragraph (a) and (b) of this Section, as the case may be.

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(d) No successor Trustee shall accept its appointment unless at the time of such acceptance such successor Trustee shall be qualified and eligible under this Article.

Section 612. Merger, Conversion, Consolidation or Succession to Business.

Any corporation into which the Trustee may be merged or converted or with which it may be consolidated, or any corporation resulting from any merger, conversion or consolidation to which the Trustee shall be a party, or any corporation succeeding to all or substantially all the corporate trust business of the Trustee, shall be the successor of the Trustee hereunder, provided such corporation shall be otherwise qualified and eligible under this Article, without the execution or filing of any paper or any further act on the part of any of the parties hereto. In case any Securities shall have been authenticated, but not delivered, by the Trustee then in office, any successor by merger, conversion or consolidation to such authenticating Trustee may adopt such authentication and deliver the Securities so authenticated with the same effect as if such successor Trustee had itself authenticated such Securities.

Section 613. Preferential Collection of Claims Against Company.

The Trustee shall comply with Section 311(a) of the Trust Indenture Act with respect to each series of Securities for which it is Trustee.

Section 614. Appointment of Authenticating Agent.

At any time when any of the Securities remain Outstanding the Company may appoint an Authenticating Agent or Agents with respect to one or more series of Securities which shall be authorized to act on behalf of the Trustee to authenticate Securities of such series issued upon exchange, registration of transfer or partial redemption thereof or pursuant to Section 306, and Securities so authenticated shall be entitled to the benefits of this Indenture and shall be valid and obligatory for all purposes as if authenticated by the Trustee hereunder. Wherever reference is made in this Indenture to the

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authentication and delivery of Securities by the Trustee or the Trustee's certificate of authentication, such reference shall be deemed to include authentication and delivery on behalf of the Trustee by an Authenticating Agent and a certificate of authentication executed on behalf of the Trustee by an Authenticating Agent. Each Authenticating Agent shall at all times be a corporation organized and doing business under the laws of the United States of America, any State thereof or the District of Columbia, authorized under such laws to act as Authenticating Agent, having a combined capital and surplus of not less than $50,000,000 and subject to supervision or examination by Federal or State authority. If such Authenticating Agent publishes reports of condition at least annually, pursuant to law or to the requirements of said supervising or examining authority, then for the purposes of this Section, the combined capital and surplus of such Authenticating Agent shall be deemed to be its combined capital and surplus as set forth in its most recent report of condition so published. If at any time an Authenticating Agent shall cease to be eligible in accordance with the provisions of this Section, such Authenticating Agent shall resign immediately in the manner and with the effect specified in this Section.

Any corporation into which an Authenticating Agent may be merged or converted or with which it may be consolidated, or any corporation resulting from any merger, conversion or consolidation to which such Authenticating Agent shall be a party, or any corporation succeeding to the corporate agency or corporate trust business of an Authenticating Agent, shall continue to be an Authenticating Agent, provided such corporation shall be otherwise eligible under this Section, without the execution or filing of any paper or any further act on the part of the Trustee or the Authenticating Agent.

An Authenticating Agent may resign at any time by giving written notice thereof to the Trustee and to the Company. The Company may at any time terminate the agency of an Authenticating Agent by giving written notice thereof to such Authenticating Agent and to the Trustee. Upon receiving such a notice of resignation or upon such a termination, or in case at any time such Authenticating Agent shall cease to be eligible in accordance with the provisions of this Section, the Company may appoint a

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successor Authenticating Agent and shall mail written notice of such appointment by first-class mail, postage prepaid, to all Holders of Securities of the series with respect to which such Authenticating Agent will serve, as their names and addresses appear in the Security Register. Any successor Authenticating Agent upon acceptance of its appointment hereunder shall become vested with all the rights, powers and duties of its predecessor hereunder, with like effect as if originally named as an Authenticating Agent. No successor Authenticating Agent shall be appointed unless eligible under the provisions of this Section.

The Company agrees to pay to each Authenticating Agent from time to time reasonable compensation for its services under this Section.

If an appointment with respect to one or more series is made pursuant to this Section, the Securities of such series may have endorsed thereon, in addition to the Trustee's certificate of authentication, an alternate certificate of authentication in the following form:

This is one of the Securities of the series designated therein referred to in the within-mentioned Indenture.

JPMORGAN CHASE BANK,
as Trustee

By_______________________
As Authenticating Agent

By_______________________
Authorized Officer

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ARTICLE SEVEN

Holders' Lists and Reports by Trustee and Company

Section 701. Company to Furnish Trustee Names and Addresses of Holders.

The Company will furnish or cause to be furnished to the Trustee

(a) semi-annually, not later than June 30 and December 31 in each year, a list, in such form as the Trustee may reasonably require, of the names and addresses of the Holders as of the preceding June 15 or December 15, as the case may be, and

(b) at such other times as the Trustee may request in writing, within 30 days after the receipt by the Company of any such request, a list of similar form and content as of a date not more than 15 days prior to the time such list is furnished;

excluding from any such list names and addresses received by the Trustee in its capacity as Security Registrar; provided that the Company shall not be obligated to provide such a list of Holders at any time that such list would not differ from the last such list provided by the Company to the Trustee under this
Section 701.

Section 702. Preservation of Information; Communications to Holders.

(a) The Trustee shall preserve, in as current a form as is reasonably practicable, the names and addresses of Holders contained in the most recent list furnished to the Trustee as provided in Section 701 and the names and addresses of Holders received by the Trustee in its capacity as Security Registrar. The Trustee may destroy any list furnished to it as provided in
Section 701 upon receipt of a new list so furnished.

(b) If three or more Holders (herein referred to as "applicants") apply in writing to the Trustee, and furnish the Trustee reasonable proof that each such applicant has owned a Security for a period of at least six months preceding the date of such application, and such application states that the applicants desire to communicate with the other Holders with respect to their

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rights under this Indenture or under the Securities and is accompanied by a copy of the form of proxy or other communication which such applicants propose to transmit, then the Trustee shall, within five business days after the receipt of such application, at its election, either

(i) afford such applicants access to the information preserved at the time by the Trustee in accordance with Section 702(a), or

(ii) inform such applicants as to the approximate number of Holders whose names and addresses appear in the information preserved at the time by the Trustee in accordance with Section 702(a), and as to the approximate cost of mailing to such Holders the form of proxy or other communication, if any, specified in such application.

If the Trustee shall elect not to afford such applicants access to such information, the Trustee shall, upon the written request of such applicants, mail to each Holder whose name and address appear in the information preserved at the time by the Trustee in accordance with Section 702(a) a copy of the form of proxy or other communication which is specified in such request, with reasonable promptness after a tender to the Trustee of the material to be mailed and of payment, or provision for the payment, of the reasonable expenses of mailing, unless within five days after such tender the Trustee shall mail to such applicants and file with the Commission, together with a copy of the material to be mailed, a written statement to the effect that, in the opinion of the Trustee, such mailing would be contrary to the best interest of the Holders or would be in violation of applicable law. Such written statement shall specify the basis of such opinion. If the Commission, after opportunity for a hearing upon the objections specified in the written statement so filed, shall enter an order refusing to sustain any of such objections or if, after the entry of an order sustaining one or more of such objections, the Commission shall find, after notice and opportunity for hearing, that all the objections so sustained have been met and shall enter an order so declaring, the Trustee shall mail copies of such material to all such Holders with reasonable promptness after the

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entry of such order and the renewal of such tender; otherwise the Trustee shall be relieved of any obligation or duty to such applicants respecting their application.

(c) Every Holder of Securities, by receiving and holding the same, agrees with the Company and the Trustee that neither the Company nor the Trustee nor any agent of either of them shall be held accountable by reason of the disclosure of any such information as to the names and addresses of the Holders in accordance with Section 702(b), regardless of the source from which such information was derived, and that the Trustee shall not be held accountable by reason of mailing any material pursuant to a request made under Section 702(b).

Section 703. Reports by Trustee.

(a) Within 60 days of each May 15, the Trustee shall transmit to Holders such reports concerning the Trustee and its actions under this Indenture as may be required pursuant to the Trust Indenture Act in the manner provided pursuant thereto.

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(b) A copy of each such report shall, at the time of such transmission to Holders, be filed by the Trustee with each stock exchange upon which the Securities are listed, with the Commission and with the Company. The Company will notify the Trustee when the Securities are listed on any stock exchange.

Section 704. Reports by Company.

The Company shall:

(1) file with the Trustee, within 15 days after the Company is required to file the same with the Commission, copies of the annual reports and of the information, documents and other reports (or copies of such portions of any of the foregoing as the Commission may from time to time by rules and regulations prescribe) which the Company may be required to file with the Commission pursuant to Section 13 or Section 15(d) of the Exchange Act; or, if the Company is not required to file information, documents or reports pursuant to either of said Sections, then it shall file with the Trustee and the Commission, in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed from time to time by the Commission, such of the supplementary and periodic information, documents and reports which may be required pursuant to Section 13 of the Exchange Act in respect of a security listed and registered on a national securities exchange as may be prescribed from time to time in such rules and regulations;

(2) file with the Trustee and the Commission, in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed from time to time by the Commission, such additional information, documents and reports with respect to compliance by the Company with the conditions and covenants of this Indenture as may be required from time to time by such rules and regulations; and

(3) transmit by mail to all Holders, as their names and addresses appear in the Security Register, within 30 days after the filing thereof

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with the Trustee, such summaries of any information, documents and reports required to be filed by the Company pursuant to paragraphs (1) and (2) of this Section as may be required by rules and regulations prescribed from time to time by the Commission.

ARTICLE EIGHT

Consolidation, Merger, Conveyance, Transfer or Lease

Section 801. Company May Consolidate, Etc., Only on Certain Terms.

The Company shall not consolidate with or merge into any other Person or convey, transfer or lease its properties and assets substantially as an entirety to any Person, and the Company shall not permit any Person to consolidate with or merge into the Company or convey, transfer or lease its properties and assets substantially as an entirety to the Company, unless:

(1) in case the Company shall consolidate with or merge into another Person or convey, transfer or lease its properties and assets substantially as an entirety to any Person, the Person formed by such consolidation or into which the Company is merged or the Person which acquires by conveyance or transfer, or which leases, the properties and assets of the Company substantially as an entirety shall be a corporation, partnership or trust organized and existing under the laws of the United States of America, any State thereof or the District of Columbia and shall expressly assume, by an indenture supplemental hereto, executed and delivered to the Trustee, in form satisfactory to the Trustee, the due and punctual payment of the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on all the Securities and the performance of every covenant of this Indenture on the part of the Company to be performed or observed;

(2) immediately after giving effect to such transaction and treating any indebtedness which becomes an obligation of the Company or a

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Subsidiary as a result of such transaction as having been incurred by the Company or such Subsidiary at the time of such transaction, no Event of Default, and no event which, after notice or lapse of time or both, would become an Event of Default, shall have happened and be continuing;

(3) if, as a result of any such consolidation or merger or such conveyance, transfer or lease, properties or assets of the Company would become subject to a mortgage, pledge, lien, security interest or other encumbrance which would not be permitted by this Indenture, the Company or such successor corporation or Person, as the case may be, shall take such steps as shall be necessary effectively to secure the Securities equally and ratably with (or prior to) all indebtedness secured thereby; and

(4) the Company has delivered to the Trustee an Officers' Certificate and an Opinion of Counsel, each stating that such consolidation, merger, conveyance, transfer or lease and, if a supplemental indenture is required in connection with such transaction, such supplemental indenture comply with this Article and that all conditions precedent herein provided for relating to such transaction have been complied with.

Section 802. Successor Person Substituted.

Upon any consolidation by the Company with or merger by the Company into any other Person or any conveyance, transfer or lease of the properties and assets of the Company substantially as an entirety in accordance with Section 801, the successor Person formed by such consolidation or into which the Company is merged or to which such conveyance, transfer or lease is made shall succeed to, and be substituted for, and may exercise every right and power of, the Company under this Indenture with the same effect as if such successor Person had been named as the Company herein, and thereafter, except in the case of a lease, the predecessor Person shall be relieved of all

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obligations and covenants under this Indenture and the Securities.

ARTICLE NINE

Supplemental Indentures

Section 901. Supplemental Indentures Without Consent of Holders.

Without the consent of any Holders, the Company, when authorized by a Board Resolution, and the Trustee, at any time and from time to time, may enter into one or more indentures supplemental hereto, in form satisfactory to the Trustee, for any of the following purposes:

(1) to evidence the succession of another Person to the Company and the assumption by any such successor of the covenants of the Company herein and in the Securities; or

(2) to add to the covenants of the Company for the benefit of the Holders of all or any series of Securities (and if such covenants are to be for the benefit of less than all series of Securities, stating that such covenants are expressly being included solely for the benefit of such series) or to surrender any right or power herein conferred upon the Company; or

(3) to add any additional Events of Default; or

(4) to add to or change any of the provisions of this Indenture to such extent as shall be necessary to permit or facilitate the issuance of Securities in bearer form, registerable or not registerable as to principal, and with or without interest coupons, or to permit or facility the issuance of Securities in uncertificated form; or

(5) to change or eliminate any of the provisions of this Indenture, provided that any such change or elimination shall become effective only when there is no Security Outstanding of any

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series created prior to the execution of such supplemental indenture which is entitled to the benefit of such provision; or

(6) to secure the Securities pursuant to the requirements of
Section 1005 or otherwise; or

(7) to establish the form or terms of Securities of any series as permitted by Sections 201 and 301; or

(8) to evidence and provide for the acceptance of appointment hereunder by a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of one or more series and to add to or change any of the provisions of this Indenture as shall be necessary to provide for or facilitate the administration of the trusts hereunder by more than one Trustee, pursuant to the requirements of Section 611(b); or

(9) to add to or change any of the provisions of this Indenture with respect to any Securities that by their terms may be converted into securities or other property other than Securities of the same series and of like tenor, in order to permit or facilitate the issuance, payment or conversion of such Securities; or

(10) to qualify or maintain qualification of this Indenture under the Trust Indenture Act; or

(11) to cure any ambiguity, to correct or supplement any provision herein which may be inconsistent with any other provision herein, or to make any other provisions with respect to matters or questions arising under this Indenture, provided such action shall not adversely affect the interests of the Holders of Securities of any series in any material respect.

Section 902. Supplemental Indentures with Consent of Holders.

With the consent of the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities affected by such supplemental indenture voting together as a single class, by Act of said Holders delivered to the Company and the Trustee, the Company, when authorized by a Board

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Resolution, and the Trustee may enter into an indenture or indentures supplemental hereto for the purpose of adding any provisions to or changing in any manner or eliminating any of the provisions of this Indenture or of modifying in any manner the rights of the Holders of Securities of such series under this Indenture; provided, however, that no such supplemental indenture shall, without the consent of the Holder of each Outstanding Security affected thereby,

(1) change the Stated Maturity of the principal of, or any installment of principal of or interest on, any Security, or reduce the principal amount thereof or the rate of interest thereon or any premium payable upon the redemption thereof, or reduce the amount of the principal of an Original Issue Discount Security that would be due and payable upon a declaration of acceleration of the Maturity thereof pursuant to Section 502, or change any Place of Payment where, or the coin or currency in which, any Security or any premium or the interest thereon is payable, or impair the right to institute suit for the enforcement of any such payment on or after the Stated Maturity thereof (or, in the case of redemption, on or after the Redemption Date), or

(2) reduce the percentage in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of any series, the consent of whose Holders is required for any such supplemental indenture, or the consent of whose Holders is required for any waiver (of compliance with certain provisions of this Indenture or certain defaults hereunder and their consequences) provided for in this Indenture, or

(3) modify any of the provisions of this Section, Section 513 or
Section 1007, except to increase any such percentage or to provide that certain other provisions of this Indenture cannot be modified or waived without the consent of the Holder of each Outstanding Security affected thereby, provided, however, that this clause shall not be deemed to require the consent of any Holder with respect to changes in the references

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to "the Trustee" and concomitant changes in this Section and Section 1007, or the deletion of this proviso, in accordance with the requirements of Sections 611(b) and 901(8).

A supplemental indenture which changes or eliminates any covenant or other provision of this Indenture which has expressly been included solely for the benefit of one or more particular series of Securities, or which modifies the rights of the Holders of Securities of such series with respect to such covenant or other provision, shall be deemed not to affect the rights under this Indenture of the Holders of Securities of any other series.

The Company may, but shall not be obligated to, fix a record date for the purpose of determining the Persons entitled to consent to any indenture supplemental hereto. If a record date is fixed, the Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to consent to such supplemental indenture, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless such consent shall have become effective by virtue of the requisite percentage having been obtained prior to the date which is the ninetieth day after such record date, any such consent previously given shall, automatically and without further action by any Holder, be cancelled and of no further effect.

It shall not be necessary for any Act of Holders under this
Section to approve the particular form of any proposed supplemental indenture, but it shall be sufficient if such Act shall approve the substance thereof.

Section 903. Execution of Supplemental Indentures.

In executing, or accepting the additional trusts created by, any supplemental indenture permitted by this Article or the modifications thereby of the trusts created by this Indenture, the Trustee shall be entitled to receive, and (subject to Section 601) shall be fully protected in relying upon, in addition to the documents required by Section 102, an Opinion of Counsel stating that the execution of such supplemental indenture is authorized or permitted by this Indenture. The Trustee may, but shall not be obligated to, enter into any such supplemental

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indenture which affects the Trustee's own rights, duties or immunities under this Indenture or otherwise.

Section 904. Effect of Supplemental Indentures.

Upon the execution of any supplemental indenture under this Article, this Indenture shall be modified in accordance therewith, and such supplemental indenture shall form a part of this Indenture for all purposes; and every Holder of Securities theretofore or thereafter authenticated and delivered hereunder shall be bound thereby.

Section 905. Conformity with Trust Indenture Act.

Every supplemental indenture executed pursuant to this Article shall conform to the requirements of the Trust Indenture Act as then in effect.

Section 906. Reference in Securities to Supplemental Indentures.

Securities authenticated and delivered after the execution of any supplemental indenture pursuant to this Article may, and shall if required by the Trustee, bear a notation in form approved by the Trustee as to any matter provided for in such supplemental indenture. If the Company shall so determine, new Securities of any series so modified as to conform, in the opinion of the Trustee and the Company, to any such supplemental indenture may be prepared and executed by the Company and authenticated and delivered by the Trustee in exchange for Outstanding Securities of such series.

ARTICLE TEN

Covenants

Section 1001. Payment of Principal, Premium and Interest.

The Company covenants and agrees for the benefit of each series of Securities that it will duly and punctually pay the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on the Securities of that series in accordance with the terms of the Securities and this Indenture.

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Section 1002. Maintenance of Office or Agency.

The Company will maintain in each Place of Payment for any series of Securities an office or agency where Securities of that series may be presented or surrendered for payment, where Securities of that series may be surrendered for registration of transfer or exchange and where notices and demands to or upon the Company in respect of the Securities of that series and this Indenture may be served. The Company will give prompt written notice to the Trustee of the location, and any change in the location, of such office or agency. If at any time the Company shall fail to maintain any such required office or agency or shall fail to furnish the Trustee with the address thereof, such presentations, surrenders, notices and demands may be made or served at the Corporate Trust Office of the Trustee, and the Company hereby appoints the Trustee as its agent to receive all such presentations, surrenders, notices and demands.

The Company may also from time to time designate one or more other offices or agencies where the Securities of one or more series may be presented or surrendered for any or all such purposes and may from time to time rescind such designations; provided, however, that no such designation or rescission shall in any manner relieve the Company of its obligation to maintain an office or agency in each Place of Payment for Securities of any series for such purposes. The Company will give prompt written notice to the Trustee of any such designation or rescission and of any change in the location of any such other office or agency.

Section 1003. Money for Securities Payments to Be Held in Trust.

If the Company shall at any time act as its own Paying Agent with respect to any series of Securities, it will, on or before each due date of the principal of (and premium, if any) or interest on any of the Securities of that series, segregate and hold in trust for the benefit of the Persons entitled thereto a sum sufficient to pay the principal (and premium, if any) or interest so becoming due until such sums shall be paid to such Persons or otherwise disposed of as herein provided and will promptly notify the Trustee of its action or failure so to act.

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Whenever the Company shall have one or more Paying Agents for any series of Securities, it will, on or before each due date of the principal of (and premium, if any) or interest on any Securities of that series, deposit with a Paying Agent a sum sufficient to pay the principal (and premium, if any) or interest so becoming due, such sum to be held in trust for the benefit of the Persons entitled to such principal, premium or interest, and (unless such Paying Agent is the Trustee) the Company will promptly notify the Trustee of its action or failure so to act.

The Company will cause each Paying Agent for any series of Securities other than the Trustee to execute and deliver to the Trustee an instrument in which such Paying Agent shall agree with the Trustee, subject to the provisions of this Section, that such Paying Agent will:

(1) hold all sums held by it for the payment of the principal of (and premium, if any) or interest on Securities of that series in trust for the benefit of the Persons entitled thereto until such sums shall be paid to such Persons or otherwise disposed of as herein provided;

(2) give the Trustee notice of any default by the Company (or any other obligor upon the Securities of that series) in the making of any payment of principal (and premium, if any) or interest on the Securities of that series; and

(3) at any time during the continuance of any such default, upon the written request of the Trustee, forthwith pay to the Trustee all sums so held in trust by such Paying Agent.

The Company may at any time, for the purpose of obtaining the satisfaction and discharge of this Indenture or for any other purpose, pay, or by Company Order direct any Paying Agent to pay, to the Trustee all sums held in trust by the Company or such Paying Agent, such sums to be held by the Trustee upon the same trusts as those upon which such sums were held by the Company or such Paying Agent; and, upon such payment by any Paying Agent to the Trustee, such Paying Agent shall be released from all further liability with respect to such money.

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Any money deposited with the Trustee or any Paying Agent, or then held by the Company, in trust for the payment of the principal of (and premium, if any) or interest on any Security of any series and remaining unclaimed for one year after such principal (and premium, if any) or interest has become due and payable shall be paid to the Company on Company Request, or (if then held by the Company) shall be discharged from such trust; and the Holder of such Security shall thereafter, as an unsecured general creditor, look only to the Company for payment thereof, and all liability of the Trustee or such Paying Agent with respect to such trust money, and all liability of the Company as trustee thereof, shall thereupon cease.

Section 1004. Corporate Existence.

Subject to Article Eight, the Company will do or cause to be done all things necessary to preserve and keep in full force and effect, its corporate existence and all licenses and permits material to the normal conduct of its business; provided, however, that the Company shall not be required to preserve any such right or franchise if the Board of Directors shall determine that the preservation thereof is no longer desirable in the conduct of the business of the Company and that the loss thereof is not disadvantageous in any material respect to the Holders.

Section 1005. Limitation on Liens.

The Company will not, and will not permit any Designated Subsidiary to, directly or indirectly, create, issue, assume, incur or guarantee any indebtedness for money borrowed which is secured by a mortgage, pledge, lien, security interest or other encumbrance of any nature

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on any of the Voting Stock of a Designated Subsidiary unless the Outstanding Securities (together with such other indebtedness of the Company or such Designated Subsidiary then existing or thereafter created which is not subordinate to the Outstanding Securities as the Company may elect) shall be secured equally and ratably with (or prior to) such secured indebtedness for money borrowed so long as such secured indebtedness for money borrowed shall be so secured. This Section shall not prevent the sale or other disposition of a Designated Subsidiary.

For purposes of this Section, "Voting Stock" means all classes of stock (including any and all shares, interests, participations or other equivalents (however designated) of corporate stock) then outstanding of a Designated Subsidiary normally entitled to vote in elections of directors. For purposes of this Section, "Designated Subsidiary" means St. Paul Fire and Marine Insurance Company and any other Subsidiary the assets of which, determined as of the last day of the most recent calendar quarter ended at least 30 days prior to the date of such determination and in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles as in effect on the last day of such calendar quarter, exceed 20% of the Consolidated Assets of the Company. For purposes of this Section, "Consolidated Assets of the Company" means the assets of the Company and its consolidated subsidiaries, to be determined as of the last day of the most recent calendar quarter ended at least 30 days prior to the date of such determination and in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles as in effect on the last day of such calendar quarter.

Section 1006. Statement by Officers as to Default.

The Company will deliver to the Trustee, within 120 days after the end of each fiscal year of the Company ending after the date hereof, an Officers' Certificate, stating whether or not to the best knowledge of the signers thereof the Company is in default in the performance and observance of any of the terms, provisions and conditions of Sections 1001 to 1006, inclusive, and if the Company shall be in default, specifying all such defaults and the nature and status thereof of which they may have knowledge.

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Section 1007. Waiver of Certain Covenants.

The Company may omit in any particular instance to comply with any term, provision or condition set forth in Sections 1002 to 1005, inclusive, if before the time for such compliance the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities shall, by Act of such Holders, waive compliance in such instance with such term, provision or condition. In the event that there shall be included in this Indenture any covenant, other than a covenant to pay principal, premium (if any) and interest, solely for the benefit of one or more, but less than all, series of Securities, then, unless otherwise expressly provided with respect to such covenant, the Company may similarly omit in any particular instance to comply with any term, provision or condition of such covenant if before the time of such compliance the holders of a majority in principal amount of all Outstanding Securities entitled to the benefit of such covenant, by Act of such Holders, acting together as a single class, waive compliance in such instance with such term, provision or condition. No such waiver contemplated by this Section 1007 shall extend to or affect such term, provision or condition except to the extent so expressly waived, and, until such waiver shall become effective, the obligations of the Company and the duties of the Trustee in respect of any such term, provision or condition shall remain in full force and effect.

The Company may, but shall not be obligated to, fix a record date for the purpose of determining the Persons entitled to waive any such term, provision or condition. If a record date is fixed, the Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to waive any such term, provision or condition hereunder, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless the Holders of at least a majority in principal amount of (i) the Outstanding Securities or (ii) the Outstanding Securities of such series, as the case may be, shall have waived such term, provision or condition prior to the date which is 90 days after such record date, any such waiver previously given shall automatically and without further action by any Holder be cancelled and of no further effect.

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ARTICLE ELEVEN

Redemption of Securities

Section 1101. Applicability of Article.

Securities of any series which are redeemable before their Stated Maturity shall be redeemable in accordance with their terms and (except as otherwise specified as contemplated by Section 301 for Securities of any series) in accordance with this Article.

Section 1102. Election to Redeem; Notice to Trustee.

The election of the Company to redeem any Securities shall be evidenced by a Board Resolution. In case of any redemption at the election of the Company of less than all the Securities of any series, the Company shall, at least 60 days prior to the Redemption Date fixed by the Company (unless a shorter notice shall be satisfactory to the Trustee), notify the Trustee of such Redemption Date and of the principal amount of Securities of such series to be redeemed. In the case of any redemption of Securities prior to the expiration of any restriction on such redemption provided in the terms of such Securities or elsewhere in this Indenture, the Company shall furnish the Trustee with an Officers' Certificate evidencing compliance with such restriction.

Section 1103. Selection by Trustee of Securities to Be Redeemed.

If less than all the Securities of any series are to be redeemed, the particular Securities to be redeemed shall be selected not more than 60 days prior to the Redemption Date by the Trustee, from the Outstanding Securities of such series not previously called for redemption, by such method as the Trustee shall deem fair and appropriate and which may provide for the selection for redemption of portions (equal to the minimum authorized denomination for Securities of that series or any integral multiple thereof) of the principal amount of Securities of such series of a denomination larger than the minimum authorized denomination for Securities of that series.

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The Trustee shall promptly notify the Company in writing of the Securities selected for redemption and, in the case of any Securities selected for partial redemption, the principal amount thereof to be redeemed.

For all purposes of this Indenture, unless the context otherwise requires, all provisions relating to the redemption of Securities shall relate, in the case of any Securities redeemed or to be redeemed only in part, to the portion of the principal amount of such Securities which has been or is to be redeemed.

Section 1104. Notice of Redemption.

Notice of redemption shall be given by first-class mail, postage prepaid, mailed not less than 30 nor more than 60 days prior to the Redemption Date, to each Holder of Securities to be redeemed, at his address appearing in the Security Register.

All notices of redemption shall state:

(1) the Redemption Date,

(2) the Redemption Price,

(3) if less than all the outstanding Securities of any series are to be redeemed, the identification (and, in the case of partial redemption, the principal amounts) of the particular Securities to be redeemed,

(4) that on the Redemption Date the Redemption Price will become due and payable upon each such Security to be redeemed and, if applicable, that interest thereon will cease to accrue on and after said date,

(5) the place or places where such Securities are to be surrendered for payment of the Redemption Price, and

(6) that the redemption is for a sinking fund, if such is the case.

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Company or, at the Company's request, by the Trustee in the name and at the expense of the Company.

Section 1105. Deposit of Redemption Price.

On or prior to any 10:00 a.m., New York City time, on Redemption Date, the Company shall deposit with the Trustee or with a Paying Agent (or, if the Company is acting as its own Paying Agent, segregate and hold in trust as provided in Section 1003) an amount of money sufficient to pay the Redemption Price of, and (except if the Redemption Date shall be an Interest Payment Date) accrued interest on, all the Securities which are to be redeemed on that date.

Section 1106. Securities Payable on Redemption Date.

Notice of redemption having been given as aforesaid, the Securities so to be redeemed shall, on the Redemption Date, become due and payable at the Redemption Price therein specified, and from and after such date (unless the Company shall default in the payment of the Redemption Price and accrued interest) such Securities shall cease to bear interest. Upon surrender of any such Security for redemption in accordance with said notice, such Security shall be paid by the Company at the Redemption Price, together with accrued interest to the Redemption Date; provided, however, that installments of interest whose Stated Maturity is on or prior to the Redemption Date shall be payable to the Holders of such Securities, or one or more Predecessor Securities, registered as such at the close of business on the relevant Record Dates according to their terms and the provisions of Section 307.

If any Security called for redemption shall not be so paid upon surrender thereof for redemption, the principal (and premium, if any) shall, until paid, bear interest from the Redemption Date at the rate prescribed therefor in the Security.

Section 1107. Securities Redeemed in Part.

Any Security which is to be redeemed only in part shall be surrendered at a Place of Payment therefor (with, if the Company or the Trustee so requires, due endorsement

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by, or a written instrument of transfer in form satisfactory to the Company and the Trustee duly executed by, the Holder thereof or his attorney duly authorized in writing), and the Company shall execute, and the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver to the Holder of such Security without service charge, a new Security or Securities of the same series and of like tenor, of any authorized denomination as requested by such Holder, in aggregate principal amount equal to and in exchange for the unredeemed portion of the principal of the Security so surrendered.

ARTICLE TWELVE

Sinking Funds

Section 1201. Applicability of Article.

The provisions of this Article shall be applicable to any sinking fund for the retirement of Securities of a series except as otherwise specified as contemplated by Section 301 for Securities of such series.

The minimum amount of any sinking fund payment provided for by the terms of Securities of any series is herein referred to as a "mandatory sinking fund payment", and any payment in excess of such minimum amount provided for by the terms of Securities of any series is herein referred to as an "optional sinking fund payment". If provided for by the terms of Securities of any series, the cash amount of any sinking fund payment may be subject to reduction as provided in Section 1202. Each sinking fund payment shall be applied to the redemption of Securities of any series as provided for by the terms of Securities of such series.

Section 1202. Satisfaction of Sinking Fund Payments with Securities.

The Company (1) may deliver Outstanding Securities of a series (other than any previously called for redemption) and (2) may apply as a credit Securities of a series which have been redeemed either at the election of the Company pursuant to the terms of such Securities or through the application of permitted optional sinking fund payments pursuant to the terms of such Securities, in each

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case in satisfaction of all or any part of any sinking fund payment with respect to the Securities of such series required to be made pursuant to the terms of such Securities as provided for by the terms of such series; provided that such Securities have not been previously so credited. Such Securities shall be received and credited for such purpose by the Trustee at the Redemption Price specified in such Securities for redemption through operation of the sinking fund and the amount of such sinking fund payment shall be reduced accordingly.

Section 1203. Redemption of Securities for Sinking Fund.

Not less than 90 days prior to each sinking fund payment date for any series of Securities, the Company will deliver to the Trustee an Officers' Certificate specifying the amount of the next ensuing sinking fund payment for that series pursuant to the terms of that series, the portion thereof, if any, which is to be satisfied by payment of cash and the portion thereof, if any, which is to be satisfied by delivering and crediting Securities of that series pursuant to Section 1202 and will also deliver to the Trustee any Securities to be so delivered. Not less than 60 days before each such sinking fund payment date the Trustee shall select the Securities to be redeemed upon such sinking fund payment date in the manner specified in Section 1103 and cause notice of the redemption thereof to be given in the name of and at the expense of the Company in the manner provided in Section 1104. Such notice having been duly given, the redemption of such Securities shall be made upon the terms and in the manner stated in Sections 1106 and 1107.

ARTICLE THIRTEEN

Defeasance and Covenant Defeasance

Section 1301. Applicability of Article; Company's Option to Effect Defeasance or Covenant Defeasance.

If pursuant to Section 301 provision is made for either or both of
(a) defeasance of the Securities of a series under Section 1302 or (b) covenant defeasance of the Securities of a series under Section 1303, then the provisions of such Section or Sections, as the case may be, together with the other provisions of this Article

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Thirteen, shall be applicable to the Securities of such series, and the Company may at its option by Board Resolution, at any time, with respect to the Securities of such series, elect to have either Section 1302 (if applicable) or
Section 1303 (if applicable) be applied to the Outstanding Securities of such series upon compliance with the conditions set forth below in this Article Thirteen.

Section 1302. Defeasance and Discharge.

Upon the Company's exercise of the above option applicable to this Section, the Company shall be deemed to have been discharged from its obligations with respect to the Outstanding Securities of such series on and after the date the conditions precedent set forth below are satisfied (hereinafter, "defeasance"). For this purpose, such defeasance means that the Company shall be deemed to have paid and discharged the entire indebtedness represented by the Outstanding Securities of such series and to have satisfied all its other obligations under such Securities and this Indenture insofar as such Securities are concerned (and the Trustee, at the expense of the Company, shall execute proper instruments acknowledging the same), except for the following which shall survive until otherwise terminated or discharged hereunder: (A) the rights of Holders of Outstanding Securities of such series to receive, solely from the trust fund described in Section 1304 as more fully set forth in such Section, payments of the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on such Securities when such payments are due, (B) the Company's obligations with respect to such Securities under Sections 304, 305, 306, 1002 and 1003 and such obligations as shall be ancillary thereto, (C) the rights, powers, trusts, duties, immunities and other provisions in respect of the Trustee hereunder and (D) this Article Thirteen. Subject to compliance with this Article Thirteen, the Company may exercise its option under this Section 1302 notwithstanding the prior exercise of its option under Section 1303 with respect to the Securities of such series. Following a defeasance, payment of the Securities of such series may not be accelerated because of an Event of Default.

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Section 1303. Covenant Defeasance.

Upon the Company's exercise of the above option applicable to this Section, the Company shall be released from its obligations under (i) Section 1005, (ii) the occurrence of an event specified in Section 501(4) (with respect to Section 1005) shall not be deemed an Event of Default and (iii) any other section, clause or provision applicable to such Securities that are determined pursuant to Section 301 to be subject to this provision with respect to the Outstanding Securities of such series on and after the date the conditions precedent set forth below are satisfied (hereinafter, "covenant defeasance"). For this purpose, such covenant defeasance means that, with respect to the Outstanding Securities of such series, the Company may omit to comply with and shall have no liability in respect of any term, condition or limitation set forth in any such Section or Clause whether directly or indirectly by reason of any reference elsewhere herein to any such Section or Clause or by reason of any reference in any such Section or Clause to any other provision herein or in any other document, but the remainder of this Indenture and such Securities shall be unaffected thereby. Following a covenant defeasance, payment of the Securities of such series may not be accelerated because of or by reference to the Sections specified above in this Section 1303.

Section 1304. Conditions to Defeasance or Covenant Defeasance.

The following shall be the conditions precedent to application of either Section 1302 or Section 1303 to the Outstanding Securities of such series:

(1) the Company shall irrevocably have deposited or caused to be deposited with the Trustee (or another trustee satisfying the requirements of Section 609 who shall agree to comply with the provisions of this Article Thirteen applicable to it) as trust funds in trust for the purpose of making the following payments, specifically pledged as security for, and dedicated solely to, the benefit of the Holders of such Securities, (A) money in an amount, or (B) U.S. Government Obligations which through the scheduled payment of principal and

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interest in respect thereof in accordance with their terms will provide, not later than one day before the due date of any payment, money in an amount, or (C) a combination thereof, sufficient, without reinvestment, in the opinion of a nationally recognized firm of independent public accountants expressed in a written certification thereof delivered to the Trustee, to pay and discharge, and which shall be applied by the Trustee (or other qualifying trustee) to pay and discharge, (i) the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on the Outstanding Securities of such series to maturity or redemption, as the case may be, and (ii) any mandatory sinking fund payments or analogous payments applicable to the Outstanding Securities of such series on the due dates thereof. Before such a deposit the Company may make arrangements satisfactory to the Trustee for the redemption of Securities at a future date or dates in accordance with Article Eleven, which shall be given effect in applying the foregoing. For this purpose, "U.S. Government Obligations" means securities that are (x) direct obligations of the United States of America for the payment of which its full faith and credit is pledged or
(y) obligations of a Person controlled or supervised by and acting as an agency or instrumentality of the United States of America the payment of which is unconditionally guaranteed as a full faith and credit obligation by the United States of America, which, in either case, are not callable or redeemable at the option of the issuer thereof, and shall also include a depository receipt issued by a bank (as defined in Section 3(a)(2) of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended) as custodian with respect to any such U.S. Government Obligation or a specific payment of principal of or interest on any such U.S. Government Obligation held by such custodian for the account of the holder of such depository receipt, provided that (except as required by law) such custodian is not authorized to make any deduction from the amount payable to the holder of such depository receipt from any amount received by the custodian in respect of the U.S.

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Government Obligation or the specific payment of principal of or interest on the U.S. Government Obligation evidenced by such depository receipt.

(2) No Event of Default or event which with notice or lapse of time or both would become an Event of Default with respect to the Securities of such series shall have occurred and be continuing (A) on the date of such deposit or (B) insofar as subsections 501(5) and (6) are concerned, at any time during the period ending on the 121st day after the date of such deposit or, if longer, ending on the day following the expiration of the longest preference period applicable to the Company in respect of such deposit (it being understood that the condition in this clause (B) is a condition subsequent and shall not be deemed satisfied until the expiration of such period).

(3) Such defeasance or covenant defeasance shall not (A) cause the Trustee for the Securities of such series to have a conflicting interest as defined in Section 608 or for purposes of the Trust Indenture Act with respect to any securities of the Company or (B) result in the trust arising from such deposit to constitute, unless it is qualified as, a regulated investment company under the Investment Company Act of 1940, as amended.

(4) Such defeasance or covenant defeasance shall not result in a breach or violation of, or constitute a default under, this Indenture or any other agreement or instrument to which the Company is a party or by which it is bound.

(5) In the case of an election under Section 1302, the Company shall have delivered to the Trustee an Opinion of Counsel stating that
(x) the Company has received from, or there has been published by, the Internal Revenue Service a ruling, or (y) since the date of this Indenture there has been a change in the applicable Federal income tax law, in either case to the effect that, and based thereon such opinion shall

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confirm that, the Holders of the Outstanding Securities of such series will not recognize income, gain or loss for Federal income tax purposes as a result of such defeasance and will be subject to Federal income tax on the same amounts, in the same manner and at the same time as would have been the case if such defeasance had not occurred.

(6) In the case of an election under Section 1303, the Company shall have delivered to the Trustee an Opinion of Counsel to the effect that the Holders of the Outstanding Securities of such series will not recognize income, gain or loss for Federal income tax purposes as a result of such covenant defeasance and will be subject to Federal income tax on the same amounts, in the same manner and at the same times as would have been the case if such covenant defeasance had not occurred.

(7) Such defeasance or covenant defeasance shall be effected in compliance with any additional terms, conditions or limitations which may be imposed on the Company in connection therewith pursuant to Section 301.

(8) The Company shall have delivered to the Trustee an Officers' Certificate and an Opinion of Counsel, each stating that all conditions precedent provided for relating to either the defeasance under Section 1302 or the covenant defeasance under Section 1303 (as the case may be) have been complied with.

Section 1305. Deposited Money and U.S. Government Obligations to be Held in Trust; Other Miscellaneous Provisions.

Subject to the provisions of the last paragraph of Section 1003, all money and U.S. Government Obligations (including the proceeds thereof) deposited with the Trustee (or other qualifying trustee -- collectively, for purposes of this Section 1305, the "Trustee") pursuant to Section 1304 in respect of the Outstanding Securities of such series shall be held in trust and applied by the Trustee,

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in accordance with the provisions of such Securities and this Indenture, to the payment, either directly or through any Paying Agent (but not including the Company acting as its own Paying Agent) as the Trustee may determine, to the Holders of such Securities, of all sums due and to become due thereon in respect of principal (and premium, if any) and interest, but such money need not be segregated from other funds except to the extent required by law.

The Company shall pay and indemnify the Trustee against any tax, fee or other charge imposed on or assessed against the money or U.S. Government Obligations deposited pursuant to Section 1304 or the principal and interest received in respect thereof.

Anything herein to the contrary notwithstanding, the Trustee shall deliver or pay to the Company from time to time upon Company Request any money or U.S. Government Obligations held by it as provided in Section 1304 which, in the opinion of a nationally recognized firm of independent public accountants expressed in a written certification thereof delivered to the Trustee, are in excess of the amount thereof which would then be required to be deposited to effect an equivalent defeasance or covenant defeasance.

Section 1306. Reinstatement.

If the Trustee or the Paying Agent is unable to apply any money in accordance with Section 1302 or 1303 by reason of any order or judgment or any court or governmental authority enjoining, restraining or otherwise prohibiting such application, then the Company's obligations under the Securities of such series shall be revived and reinstated as though no deposit had occurred pursuant to this Article Thirteen until such time as the Trustee or Paying Agent is permitted to apply all such money in accordance with Section 1302 or 1303; provided, however, that if the Company makes any payment of principal of (and premium, if any) any such Security following the reinstatement of its obligations, the Company shall be subrogated to the rights of the Holders of such Securities to receive such payment from the money held by the Trustee or the Paying Agent.

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This instrument may be executed in any number of counterparts, each of which so executed shall be deemed to be an original, but all such counterparts shall together constitute but one and the same instrument.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have caused this Indenture to be duly executed, all as of the day and year first above written.

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
By

Name:


Title: Senior Vice President

JPMORGAN CHASE BANK
By

Name:


Title:

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STATE OF MINNESOTA         )
                           )       ss.:
COUNTY OF RAMSEY           )

On the __th day of _______, 200[ ], before me personally came [ ], to me known, who, being by me duly sworn, did depose and say that he is a
[Senior Vice President] of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., one of the corporations described in and which executed the foregoing instrument; that he knows the seal of said corporation; that the seal affixed to said instrument is such corporate seal; that it was so affixed by authority of the Board of Directors of said corporation, and that he signed his name thereto by like authority.


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STATE OF NEW YORK          )
                           )       ss.:
COUNTY OF NEW YORK         )

On the __th day of _______, 200[ ], before me personally came [ ], to me known, who, being by me duly sworn, did depose and say that he is a [Vice President] of JPMorgan Chase Bank, one of the corporations described in and which executed the foregoing instrument; that she knows the seal of said corporation; that the seal affixed to said instrument is such corporate seal; that it was so affixed by authority of the Board of Directors of said corporation, and that she signed her name thereto by like authority.


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Exhibit 4.2

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

TO

JPMORGAN CHASE BANK
Trustee


INDENTURE

Dated as of [ ]

SUBORDINATED DEBT SECURITIES




The St. Paul Companies, Inc. Reconciliation and tie between Trust Indenture Act of 1939 and Indenture, dated as of [ ]

Trust Indenture                                                                        Indenture
 Act Section                                                                            Section
---------------                                                                        ----------
ss.310(a)(1)         ................................................................    609
      (a)(2)         ................................................................    609
      (a)(3)         ................................................................    Not Applicable
      (a)(4)         ................................................................    Not Applicable
      (b)            ................................................................    608
                                                                                         610
ss.311(a)            ................................................................    613(a)
      (b)            ................................................................    613(b)
      (b)(2)         ................................................................    703(a)(2)
                                                                                         703(b)
ss.312(a)            ................................................................    701
                                                                                         702(a)
      (b)            ................................................................    702(b)
      (c)            ................................................................    702(a)
ss.313(a)            ................................................................    703(a)
      (b)            ................................................................    703(b)
      (c)            ................................................................    703(a), 703(b)
      (d)            ................................................................    703(c)
ss.314(a)            ................................................................    704
      (b)            ................................................................    Not Applicable
      (c)(1)         ................................................................    102
      (c)(2)         ................................................................    102
      (c)(3)         ................................................................    Not Applicable
      (d)            ................................................................    Not Applicable
      (e)            ................................................................    102
ss.315(a)            ................................................................    601(a)
      (b)            ................................................................    602
                                                                                         703(a)(6)
      (c)            ................................................................    601(b)
      (d)            ................................................................    601(c)
      (d)(1)         ................................................................    601(a)(1)
      (d)(2)         ................................................................    601(c)(2)
      (d)(3)         ................................................................    601(c)(3)
      (e)            ................................................................    514
ss.316(a)            ................................................................    101
      (a)(1)(A)      ................................................................    502
                                                                                         512
      (a)(1)(B)      ................................................................    513
      (a)(2)         ................................................................    Not Applicable
      (b)            ................................................................    508


Trust Indenture                                                      Indenture
 Act Section                                                          Section
---------------                                                      ----------
ss.317(a)(1)   .....................................................    503
         (a)(2).....................................................    504
         (b)   .....................................................    1003
ss.318(a)      .....................................................    107


NOTE: This reconciliation and tie shall not, for any purpose, be deemed to be a part of the Indenture.


TABLE OF CONTENTS

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PARTIES...................................................................................................1
RECITALS..................................................................................................1


                                  ARTICLE ONE

             Definitions and Other Provisions of General Application

Section 101.       Definitions............................................................................1
                   Act....................................................................................2
                   Affiliate..............................................................................2
                   Authenticating Agent...................................................................2
                   Board of Directors.....................................................................2
                   Board Resolution.......................................................................2
                   Business Day...........................................................................3
                   Capital Lease Obligation...............................................................3
                   Commission.............................................................................3
                   Company................................................................................3
                   Company Request........................................................................3
                   Company Order..........................................................................3
                   Corporate Trust Office.................................................................3
                   corporation............................................................................4
                   Defaulted Interest.....................................................................4
                   Depository.............................................................................4
                   Event of Default.......................................................................4
                   Exchange Act...........................................................................4
                   Global Security........................................................................4
                   Guarantee..............................................................................4
                   Holder.................................................................................5
                   Incur..................................................................................5
                   Indebtedness...........................................................................5
                   Indenture..............................................................................5
                   interest...............................................................................5
                   Interest Payment Date..................................................................5
                   Junior Subordinated Payment............................................................6
                   Maturity...............................................................................6
                   Nuveen.................................................................................6


NOTE: This table of contents shall not, for any purpose, be deemed to be a part of the Indenture.

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                   Officers' Certificate..................................................................6
                   Opinion of Counsel.....................................................................6
                   Original Issue Discount Security.......................................................6
                   Outstanding............................................................................6
                   Paying Agent...........................................................................8
                   Payment Blockage Period................................................................8
                   Person.................................................................................8
                   Place of Payment.......................................................................8
                   Predecessor Security...................................................................8
                   Preferred Securities...................................................................8
                   Proceeding.............................................................................8
                   Redemption Date........................................................................8
                   Redemption Price.......................................................................8
                   Regular Record Date....................................................................8
                   Responsible Officer....................................................................9
                   Securities.............................................................................9
                   Securities Payment.....................................................................9
                   Security Register......................................................................9
                   Security Registrar.....................................................................9
                   Senior Indebtedness....................................................................9
                   Senior Nonmonetary Default............................................................11
                   Senior Payment Default................................................................11
                   Special Record Date...................................................................11
                   St Paul Capital Trust.................................................................11
                   Stated Maturity.......................................................................12
                   Subsidiary............................................................................12
                   Trustee...............................................................................12
                   Trust Indenture Act...................................................................12
                   U.S. Government Obligations...........................................................12
                   Vice President........................................................................12
Section 102.       Compliance Certificates and Opinions..................................................12
Section 103.       Form of Documents Delivered to Trustee................................................13
Section 104.       Acts of Holders.......................................................................14
Section 105.       Notices, Etc., to Trustee and Company.................................................15
Section 106.       Notice to Holders; Waiver.............................................................16
Section 107.       Conflict with Trust Indenture Act.....................................................16
Section 108.       Effect of Headings and Table of Contents..............................................16
Section 109.       Successors and Assigns................................................................17
Section 110.       Separability Clause...................................................................17
Section 111.       Benefits of Indenture.................................................................17
Section 112.       Governing Law.........................................................................17
Section 113.       Legal Holidays........................................................................17

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                           ARTICLE TWO

                         Security Forms

Section 201.       Forms Generally.......................................................................18
Section 202.       Form of Face of Security..............................................................18
Section 203.       Form of Reverse of Security...........................................................21
Section 204.       Form of Legend for Global Securities..................................................26
Section 205.       Form of Trustee's Certificate of Authentication.......................................27


                          ARTICLE THREE

                         The Securities

Section 301.       Amount Unlimited; Issuable in Series..................................................27
Section 302.       Denominations.........................................................................31
Section 303.       Execution, Authentication, Delivery and Dating........................................31
Section 304.       Temporary Securities..................................................................33
Section 305.       Registration, Registration of Transfer and Exchange...................................34
Section 306.       Mutilated, Destroyed, Lost and Stolen Securities......................................36
Section 307.       Payment of Interest; Interest Rights Preserved........................................37
Section 308.       Persons Deemed Owners.................................................................39
Section 309.       Cancellation..........................................................................39
Section 310.       Computation of Interest...............................................................39


                          ARTICLE FOUR

                   Satisfaction and Discharge

Section 401.       Satisfaction and Discharge of Indenture...............................................40
Section 402.       Application of Trust Money............................................................41


                          ARTICLE FIVE

                            Remedies

Section 501.       Events of Default.....................................................................42
Section 502.       Acceleration of Maturity; Rescission and Annulment....................................44

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Section 503.       Collection of Indebtedness and Suits for Enforcement by Trustee.......................46
Section 504.       Trustee May File Proofs of Claim......................................................48
Section 505.       Trustee May Enforce Claims Without Possession of Securities...........................49
Section 506.       Application of Money Collected........................................................49
Section 507.       Limitation on Suits...................................................................50
Section 508.       Unconditional Right of Holders to Receive Principal, Premium and Interest.............51
Section 509.       Restoration of Rights and Remedies....................................................51
Section 510.       Rights and Remedies Cumulative........................................................51
Section 511.       Delay or Omission Not Waiver..........................................................52
Section 512.       Control by Holders....................................................................52
Section 513.       Waiver of Past Defaults...............................................................53
Section 514.       Undertaking for Costs.................................................................54
Section 515.       Waiver of Usury, Stay or Extension Laws...............................................54


                           ARTICLE SIX

                           The Trustee

Section 601.       Certain Duties and Responsibilities...................................................55
Section 602.       Notice of Defaults....................................................................56
Section 603.       Certain Rights of Trustee.............................................................57
Section 604.       Not Responsible for Recitals or Issuance of Securities................................59
Section 605.       May Hold Securities...................................................................59
Section 606.       Money Held in Trust...................................................................59
Section 607.       Compensation and Reimbursement........................................................59
Section 608.       Disqualification; Conflicting Interests...............................................61
Section 609.       Corporate Trustee Required; Eligibility...............................................61
Section 610.       Resignation and Removal; Appointment of Successor.....................................61
Section 611.       Acceptance of Appointment by Successor................................................64
Section 612.       Merger, Conversion, Consolidation or Succession to Business...........................65
Section 613.       Preferential Collection of Claims Against Company.....................................66
Section 614.       Appointment of Authenticating Agent...................................................66

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                          ARTICLE SEVEN

             Holders' Lists and Reports by Trustee and Company

Section 701.       Company to Furnish Trustee Names and Addresses of Holders.............................68
Section 702.       Preservation of Information; Communications to Holders................................68
Section 703.       Reports by Trustee....................................................................70
Section 704.       Reports by Company....................................................................71


                          ARTICLE EIGHT

             Consolidation, Merger, Conveyance, Transfer or Lease

Section 801.       Company May Consolidate, Etc., Only on Certain Terms..................................72
Section 802.       Successor Person Substituted..........................................................74


                          ARTICLE NINE

                     Supplemental Indentures

Section 901.       Supplemental Indentures Without Consent of Holders....................................74
Section 902.       Supplemental Indentures with Consent of Holders.......................................76
Section 903.       Execution of Supplemental Indentures..................................................78
Section 904.       Effect of Supplemental Indentures.....................................................78
Section 905.       Conformity with Trust Indenture Act...................................................78
Section 906.       Reference in Securities to Supplemental Indentures....................................78


                           ARTICLE TEN

                            Covenants

Section 1001.      Payment of Principal, Premium and Interest............................................79
Section 1002.      Maintenance of Office or Agency.......................................................79
Section 1003.      Money for Securities Payments to Be Held in Trust.....................................80
Section 1004.      Corporate Existence...................................................................81
Section 1005.      Statement by Officers as to Default...................................................82
Section 1006.      Waiver of Certain Covenants...........................................................82

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                         ARTICLE ELEVEN

                   Subordination of Securities

Section 1101.      Securities Subordinate to Senior Indebtedness.........................................83
Section 1102.      Payment Over of Proceeds Upon Dissolution, Etc........................................84
Section 1103.      No Payment When Senior Indebtedness in Default........................................86
Section 1104.      Payment Permitted If No Default.......................................................88
Section 1105.      Subrogation to Rights of Holders of Senior Indebtedness...............................88
Section 1106.      Provisions Solely to Define Relative Rights...........................................88
Section 1107.      Trustee to Effectuate Subordination...................................................89
Section 1108.      No Waiver of Subordination Provisions.................................................90
Section 1109.      Notice to Trustee.....................................................................90
Section 1110.      Reliance on Judicial Order or Certificate of Liquidating Agent........................92
Section 1111.      Trustee Not Fiduciary for Holders of Senior Indebtedness..............................92
Section 1112.      Rights of Trustee as Holder of Senior Indebtedness; Preservation of Trustee's Rights..93
Section 1113.      Article Applicable to Paying Agents...................................................93


                         ARTICLE TWELVE

                    Redemption of Securities

Section 1201.      Applicability of Article..............................................................93
Section 1202.      Election to Redeem; Notice to Trustee.................................................93
Section 1203.      Selection by Trustee of Securities to Be Redeemed.....................................94
Section 1204.      Notice of Redemption..................................................................94
Section 1205.      Deposit of Redemption Price...........................................................95
Section 1206.      Securities Payable on Redemption Date.................................................95
Section 1207.      Securities Redeemed in Part...........................................................96


                        ARTICLE THIRTEEN

                          Sinking Funds

Section 1301.      Applicability of Article..............................................................96

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Section 1302.     Satisfaction of Sinking Fund Payments with Securities..................................97
Section 1303.     Redemption of Securities for Sinking Fund..............................................97


                        ARTICLE FOURTEEN

               Defeasance and Covenant Defeasance

Section 1401.     Applicability of Article; Company's Option to Effect Defeasance or Covenant Defeasance.98
Section 1402.     Defeasance and Discharge...............................................................98
Section 1403.     Covenant Defeasance....................................................................99
Section 1404.     Conditions to Defeasance or Covenant Defeasance.......................................100
Section 1405.     Deposited Money and U.S. Government Obligations to be Held in Trust; Other Miscellaneous
                  Provisions............................................................................104
Section 1406.     Reinstatement.........................................................................105

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INDENTURE, dated as of [ ], between The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a corporation duly organized and existing under the laws of the State of Minnesota (herein called the "Company"), having its principal office at 385 Washington Street, St. Paul, Minnesota 55102, and JPMorgan Chase Bank, a New York banking corporation duly organized and existing under the laws of the State of New York, as Trustee (herein called the "Trustee").

RECITALS OF THE COMPANY

The Company has duly authorized the execution and delivery of this Indenture to provide for the issuance from time to time of its unsecured and subordinated debentures, notes or other evidences of indebtedness (herein called the "Securities"), to be issued in one or more series as in this Indenture provided.

All things necessary to make this Indenture a valid agreement of the Company, in accordance with its terms, have been done.

NOW, THEREFORE, THIS INDENTURE WITNESSETH:

For and in consideration of the premises and the purchase of the Securities by the Holders thereof, it is mutually covenanted and agreed, for the equal and proportionate benefit of all Holders of the Securities or of series thereof, as follows:

ARTICLE ONE

Definitions and Other Provisions
of General Application

Section 101. Definitions.

For all purposes of this Indenture, except as otherwise expressly provided or unless the context otherwise requires:

(1) the terms defined in this Article have the meanings assigned to them in this Article and include the plural as well as the singular;


(2) all other terms used herein which are defined in the Trust Indenture Act, either directly or by reference therein, have the meanings assigned to them therein;

(3) all accounting terms not otherwise defined herein have the meanings assigned to them in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, and, except as otherwise herein expressly provided, the term "generally accepted accounting principles" with respect to any computation required or permitted hereunder shall mean such accounting principles as are generally accepted at the date of such computation; and

(4) the words "herein", "hereof" and "hereunder" and other words of similar import refer to this Indenture as a whole and not to any particular Article, Section or other subdivision.

Certain terms, used principally in Article Six, are defined in that Article.

"Act", when used with respect to any Holder, has the meaning specified in Section 104.

"Affiliate" of any specified Person means any other Person directly or indirectly controlling or controlled by or under direct or indirect common control with such specified Person. For the purposes of this definition, "control" when used with respect to any specified Person means the power to direct the management and policies of such Person, directly or indirectly, whether through the ownership of voting securities, by contract or otherwise; and the terms "controlling" and "controlled" have meanings correlative to the foregoing.

"Authenticating Agent" means any Authenticating Agent appointed pursuant to Section 614 to authenticate Securities.

"Board of Directors" means either the board of directors of the Company or any duly authorized committee of that board.

"Board Resolution" means a copy of a resolution certified by the Corporate Secretary or an Assistant

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Corporate Secretary of the Company to have been duly adopted by the Board of Directors and to be in full force and effect on the date of such certification, and delivered to the Trustee.

"Business Day", when used with respect to any Place of Payment, means each Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday which is not a day on which banking institutions in that Place of Payment are authorized or obligated by law to close.

"Capital Lease Obligation" of any Person means the obligation to pay rent or make other payments under a lease of (or other Indebtedness arrangements conveying the right to use) real or personal property of such Person which is required to be classified and accounted for as a capital lease or a liability on the balance sheet of such Person in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. The Stated Maturity of such obligation shall be the date of the last payment of rent or any other amount due under such lease prior to the first date upon which such lease may be terminated by the lessee without payment of a penalty.

"Commission" means the Securities and Exchange Commission, as from time to time constituted, created under the Exchange Act, or, if at any time after the execution of this instrument such Commission is not existing and performing the duties now assigned to it under the Trust Indenture Act, then the body performing such duties at such time.

"Company" means the Person named as the "Company" in the first paragraph of this instrument until a successor corporation shall have become such pursuant to the applicable provisions of this Indenture, and thereafter "Company" shall mean such successor corporation.

"Company Request" or "Company Order" means a written request or order signed in the name of the Company by its Chairman of the Board, its President or a Vice President, and by its Treasurer, an Assistant Treasurer, its Secretary or an Assistant Secretary, and delivered to the Trustee.

"Corporate Trust Office" means the principal office of the Trustee in The City of New York, at which at

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any particular time its corporate trust business in such City may be administered. At the date hereof, such office is located at JPMorgan Chase Bank, 450 West 33rd Street, New York, New York 10001, Attention: Institutional Trust Services.

"corporation" includes corporations, associations, companies and business trusts.

"Defaulted Interest" has the meaning specified in Section 307.

"Depository" means, with respect to the Securities of any series issuable or issued in whole or in part in the form of one or more Global Securities, the clearing agency registered under the Exchange Act specified for that purpose as contemplated by Section 301.

"Event of Default" has the meaning specified in Section 501.

"Exchange Act" means the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as it may be amended and any successor act thereto.

"Global Security" means a security bearing the legend specified in
Section 204 evidencing all or part of a series of Securities, authenticated and delivered to the Depository for such series or its nominee, and registered in the name of such Depository or nominee.

"Guarantee" by any Person means any obligation, contingent or otherwise, of such Person guaranteeing any Indebtedness of any other Person (the "primary obligor") in any manner, whether directly or indirectly, and including, without limitation, any obligation of such Person (i) to purchase or pay (or advance or supply funds for the purchase or payment of) such Indebtedness or to purchase (or to advance or supply funds for the purchase of) any security for the payment of such Indebtedness, (ii) to purchase property, securities or services for the purpose of assuring the holder of such Indebtedness of the payment of such Indebtedness or (iii) to maintain working capital, equity capital or other financial statement condition or liquidity of the primary obligor so as to enable the primary obligor to pay such Indebtedness (and "Guaranteed," "Guaranteeing" and "Guarantor" shall have meanings correlative to the foregoing); provided, however, that the

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Guarantee by any Person shall not include endorsements by such Person for collection or deposit, in either case, in the ordinary course of business.

"Holder" means a Person in whose name a Security is registered in the Security Register.

"Incur" means, with respect to any Indebtedness or other obligation of any Person, to create, issue, incur (by conversion, exchange or otherwise), assume, Guarantee or otherwise become liable in respect of such Indebtedness or other obligation or the recording, as required pursuant to generally accepted accounting principles or otherwise, of any such Indebtedness or other obligation as a liability on the balance sheet of such Person (and "Incurrence," "Incurred," "Incurrable" and "Incurring" shall have meanings correlative to the foregoing); provided, however, that a change in generally accepted accounting principles that results in an obligation of such Person that exists at such time becoming Indebtedness shall not be deemed an Incurrence of such Indebtedness.

"Indebtedness" means (without duplication), with respect to any Person, whether recourse is to all or a portion of the assets of such Person, (i) all Indebtedness described in clauses (i)-(viii) of the definition of Senior Indebtedness (all references to the Company in such definition being deemed to refer to such Person) and (ii) the maximum fixed redemption or repurchase price of Redeemable Interests of such Person at the time of determination.

"Indenture" means this instrument as originally executed or as it may from time to time be supplemented or amended by one or more indentures supplemental hereto entered into pursuant to the applicable provisions hereof and shall include the terms of particular series of Securities established as contemplated by Section 301.

"interest", when used with respect to an Original Issue Discount Security which by its terms bears interest only after Maturity, means interest payable after Maturity.

"Interest Payment Date", when used with respect to any security, means the Stated Maturity of an installment of interest on such Security.

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"Junior Subordinated Payment" has the meaning specified in Section 1102.

"Maturity", when used with respect to any Security, means the date on which the principal of such Security or an installment of principal becomes due and payable as therein or herein provided, whether at the Stated Maturity or by declaration of acceleration, call for redemption or otherwise.

"Nuveen" means The John Nuveen Company, a Delaware corporation, and its consolidated subsidiaries.

"Officers' Certificate" means a certificate signed by the Chairman of the Board, the President or a Vice President, and by the Treasurer, an Assistant Treasurer, the Secretary or an Assistant Secretary, of the Company, and delivered to the Trustee. One of the officers signing an Officers' Certificate given pursuant to Section 1006 shall be the principal executive, financial or accounting officer of the Company.

"Opinion of Counsel" means a written opinion of counsel, who may be counsel for the Company.

"Original Issue Discount Security" means any Security which provides for an amount less than the principal amount thereof to be due and payable upon a declaration of acceleration of the Maturity thereof pursuant to Section 502.

"Outstanding", when used with respect to Securities, means, as of the date of determination, all Securities theretofore authenticated and delivered under this Indenture, except:

(i) Securities theretofore cancelled by the Trustee or delivered to the Trustee for cancellation;

(ii) Securities for whose payment or redemption money in the necessary amount has been theretofore deposited with the Trustee or any Paying Agent (other than the Company) in trust or set aside and segregated in trust by the Company (if the Company shall act as its own Paying Agent) for the Holders of such Securities; provided that, if such Securities are to be redeemed, notice of such redemption has been duly given pursuant to this Indenture or provision

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therefor satisfactory to the Trustee has been made; and

(iii) Securities which have been paid pursuant to Section 306 or in exchange for or in lieu of which other Securities have been authenticated and delivered pursuant to this Indenture, other than any such Securities in respect of which there shall have been presented to the Trustee proof satisfactory to it that such Securities are held by a protected purchaser in whose hands such Securities are valid obligations of the Company;

provided, however, that in determining whether the Holders of the requisite principal amount of the Outstanding Securities have given any request, demand, authorization, direction, notice, consent or waiver hereunder, (i) the principal amount of an Original Issue Discount Security that shall be deemed to be Outstanding shall be the amount of the principal thereof that would be due and payable as of the date of such determination upon acceleration of the Maturity thereof pursuant to Section 502, (ii) the principal amount of a Security denominated in a foreign currency or currencies shall be the U.S. dollar equivalent, determined on the date of original issuance of such Security, of the principal amount (or, in the case of an Original Issue Discount Security, the U.S. dollar equivalent on the date of original issuance of such Security of the amount determined as provided in (i) above) of such Security, and (iii) Securities owned by the Company or any other obligor upon the Securities or any Affiliate of the Company or of such other obligor shall be disregarded and deemed not to be Outstanding, except that, in determining whether the Trustee shall be protected in relying upon any such request, demand, authorization, direction, notice, consent or waiver, only Securities which the Trustee knows to be so owned shall be so disregarded. Securities so owned which have been pledged in good faith may be regarded as outstanding if the pledgee establishes to the satisfaction of the Trustee the pledgee's right so to act with respect to such Securities and that the pledgee is not the Company or any other obligor upon the Securities or any Affiliate of the Company or of such other obligor.

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"Paying Agent" means any Person authorized by the Company to pay the principal of (and premium, if any) or interest on any Securities on behalf of the Company.

"Payment Blockage Period" has the meaning specified in Section 1103.

"Person" means any individual, corporation, partnership, joint venture, association, joint-stock company, trust, limited liability company, unincorporated organization or government or any agency or political subdivision thereof.

"Place of Payment", when used with respect to the Securities of any series, means the place or places where the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on the Securities of that series are payable as specified as contemplated by Section 301.

"Predecessor Security" of any particular Security means every previous Security evidencing all or a portion of the same debt as that evidenced by such particular Security and, for the purposes of this definition, any Security authenticated and delivered under Section 306 in exchange for or in lieu of a mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Security shall be deemed to evidence the same debt as the mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Security.

"Preferred Securities" means undivided preferred beneficial interests in a St. Paul Capital Trust.

"Proceeding" has the meaning specified in Section 1102.

"Redemption Date", when used with respect to any Security to be redeemed, means the date fixed for such redemption by or pursuant to this Indenture.

"Redemption Price", when used with respect to any Security to be redeemed, means the price at which it is to be redeemed pursuant to this Indenture.

"Regular Record Date" for the interest payable on any Interest Payment Date on the Securities of any series means the date specified for that purpose as contemplated by Section 301.

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"Responsible Officer", when used with respect to the Trustee, means any officer of the Trustee with direct responsibility for the administration of this Indenture and also means, with respect to a particular corporate trust matter, any other officer of the Trustee to whom such matter is referred because of his knowledge of and familiarity with the particular subject.

"Securities" has the meaning stated in the first recital of this Indenture and more particularly means any Securities authenticated and delivered under this Indenture.

"Securities Payment" has the meaning specified in Section 1102.

"Security Register" and "Security Registrar" have the respective meanings specified in Section 305.

"Senior Indebtedness" means the principal of, premium, if any, interest on and any other payment due pursuant to any of the following, whether Incurred on or prior to the date hereof or hereafter Incurred:

(i) all obligations of the Company for money borrowed;

(iv) all obligations of the Company evidenced by notes, debentures, bonds or other similar instruments, including obligations Incurred in connection with the acquisition of property, assets or businesses;

(v) all Capital Lease Obligations of the Company;

(vi) all reimbursement obligations of the Company with respect to letters of credit, bankers' acceptances or similar facilities issued for the account of the Company;

(vii) all obligations of the Company issued or assumed as the deferred purchase price of property or services, including all obligations under master lease transactions pursuant to which the Company or any of its subsidiaries have agreed to be treated as owner of the subject

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property for federal income tax purposes (but excluding trade accounts payable or accrued liabilities arising in the ordinary course of business);

(viii) all payment obligations of the Company under interest rate swap or similar agreements or foreign currency hedge, exchange or similar agreements at the time of determination, including any such obligations Incurred by the Company solely to act as a hedge against increases in interest rates that may occur under the terms of other outstanding variable or floating rate Indebtedness of the Company;

(ix) all obligations of the type referred to in clauses (i) through
(vi)above of another Person and all dividends of another Person the payment of which, in either case, the Company has assumed or Guaranteed or for which the Company is responsible or liable, directly or indirectly, jointly or severally, as obligor, Guarantor or otherwise;

(x) all compensation and reimbursement obligations of the Company pursuant to Section 607; and

(xi) all amendments, modifications, renewals, extensions, refinancings, replacements and refundings by the Company of any such Indebtedness referred to in clauses (i) through (viii) above (and of any such amended, modified, renewed, extended, refinanced, refunded or replaced Indebtedness);

provided, however, that the following shall not constitute Senior Indebtedness:
(A) any Indebtedness owed to a Person when such Person is a Subsidiary of the Company, (B) any Indebtedness which by the terms of the instrument creating or evidencing the same expressly provides that it is not superior in right of payment to the Securities, (C) any Indebtedness to the extent Incurred in violation of this Indenture, or (D) (i) all other debt securities of the Company issued by the Company to any trust other than a St. Paul Capital Trust, or a trustee of such trust, or to a partnership or other Affiliate of the Company that acts as

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a financing vehicle for the Company, in connection with the issuance by such vehicles of equity securities or other securities that are similar to the Preferred Securities and which include (ii) the following series of debt securities: (1) Junior Subordinated Debentures, Series A, issued pursuant to that certain indenture dated as of December 24, 1996, between USF&G Corporation and The Bank of New York, as amended (2) Junior Subordinated Debentures, Series B, issued pursuant to that certain indenture dated as of January 10, 1997, between USF&G Corporation and The Bank of New York, as amended (3) Junior Subordinated Debentures, Series C, issued pursuant to that certain indenture dated as of July 8, 1997, between USF&G Corporation and The Bank of New York, as amended, (4) Junior Subordinated Deferrable Interest Debentures, issued pursuant to the certain indenture dated as of December 23, 1997 between MMI Companies, Inc. and JPMorgan Chase Bank, as amended, (5) Junior Subordinated Debentures issued by the Company to the St. Paul Capital Trust I. For purposes of this definition, "Indebtedness" includes any obligation to pay principal, premium (if any), interest, penalties, reimbursement or indemnity amounts, fees and expenses (including interest accruing on or after the filing of any petition in bankruptcy or for reorganization relating to the Company whether or not a claim for post-petition interest is allowed in such proceeding). Any Senior Indebtedness shall continue to be Senior Indebtedness and entitled to the benefits of the subordination provisions of Article Eleven irrespective of any amendment, modification or waiver of any term of such Senior Indebtedness.

"Senior Nonmonetary Default" has the meaning specified in Section 1103.

"Senior Payment Default" has the meaning specified in Section 1103.

"Special Record Date" for the payment of any Defaulted Interest means a date fixed by the Trustee pursuant to Section 307.

"St. Paul Capital Trust", means one or more business trusts, partnerships or limited liability companies created by the Company for the purpose of issuing undivided beneficial interests therein in connection with the purchase of Securities under this Indenture.

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"Stated Maturity", when used with respect to any Security or any installment of principal thereof or interest thereon, means the date specified in such Security as the fixed date on which the principal of such Security or such installment of principal or interest is due and payable

"Subsidiary" means a corporation more than 50% of the outstanding voting stock of which is owned, directly or indirectly, by the Company (or by one or more other Subsidiaries, or by the Company and one or more other Subsidiaries), except Nuveen. For the purposes of this definition, "voting stock" means stock which ordinarily has voting power for the election of directors, whether at all times or only so long as no senior class of stock has such voting power by reason of any contingency.

"Trustee" means the Person named as the "Trustee" in the first paragraph of this instrument until a successor Trustee shall have become such pursuant to the applicable provisions of this Indenture, and thereafter "Trustee" shall mean or include each Person who is then a Trustee hereunder, and if at any time there is more than one such Person, "Trustee" as used with respect to the Securities of any series shall mean the Trustee with respect to Securities of that series.

"Trust Indenture Act" means the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 as in force at the date as of which this instrument was executed, except as provided in
Section 905; provided, however, that in the event the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 is amended after such date, "Trust Indenture Act" means, to the extent required by such amendment, the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 as amended.

"U.S. Government Obligations" has the meaning specified in Section 1404.

"Vice President", when used with respect to the Company or the Trustee, means any vice president, whether or not designated by a number or a word or words added before or after the title "vice president".

Section 102. Compliance Certificates and Opinions.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by this Indenture, upon any application or request by the Company to the Trustee to take any action under any provision of this Indenture, the Company shall furnish to the Trustee an Officers' Certificate stating that all conditions precedent, if any, provided for in this Indenture relating

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to the proposed action have been complied with and an Opinion of Counsel stating that in the opinion of such counsel such action is authorized or permitted by this Indenture and that all such conditions precedent, if any, have been complied with, except that in the case of any such application or request as to which the furnishing of such documents is specifically required by any provision of this Indenture relating to such particular application or request, no additional certificate or opinion need be furnished.

Every certificate or opinion with respect to compliance with a condition or covenant provided for in this Indenture shall include

(1) a statement that each individual signing such certificate or opinion has read such covenant or condition and the definitions herein relating thereto;

(2) a brief statement as to the nature and scope of the examination or investigation upon which the statements or opinions contained in such certificate or opinion are based;

(3) a statement that, in the opinion of each such individual, he has made such examination or investigation as is necessary to enable him to express an informed opinion as to whether or not such covenant or condition has been complied with; and

(4) a statement as to whether, in the opinion of each such individual, such condition or covenant has been complied with.

Section 103. Form of Documents Delivered to Trustee.

In any case where several matters are required to be certified by, or covered by an opinion of, any specified Person, it is not necessary that all such matters be certified by, or covered by the opinion of, only one such Person, or that they be so certified or covered by only one document, but one such Person may certify or give an opinion with respect to some matters and one or more other such Persons as to other matters, and any such Person may certify or give an opinion as to such matters in one or several documents.

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Any certificate or opinion of any officer of the Company may be based, insofar as it relates to legal matters, upon a certificate or opinion of, or representations by, counsel, unless such officer knows, or in the exercise of reasonable care should know, that the certificate or opinion or representations with respect to the matters upon which his certificate or opinion is based are erroneous. Any such certificate or Opinion of Counsel may be based, insofar as it relates to factual matters, upon a certificate or opinion of, or representations by, an officer or officers of the Company stating that the information with respect to such factual matters is in the possession of the Company, unless such counsel knows, or in the exercise of reasonable care should know, that the certificate or opinion or representations with respect to such matters are erroneous.

Where any Person is required to make, give or execute two or more applications, requests, consents, certificates, statements, opinions or other instruments under this Indenture, they may, but need not, be consolidated and form one instrument.

Section 104. Acts of Holders.

(a) Any request, demand, authorization, direction, notice, consent, waiver or other action provided by this Indenture to be given or taken by Holders may be embodied in and evidenced by one or more instruments of substantially similar tenor signed by such Holders in person or by agent duly appointed in writing; and, except as herein otherwise expressly provided, such action shall become effective when such instrument or instruments are delivered to the Trustee and, where it is hereby expressly required, to the Company. Such instrument or instruments (and the action embodied therein and evidenced thereby) are herein sometimes referred to as the "Act" of the Holders signing such instrument or instruments. Proof of execution of any such instrument or of a writing appointing any such agent shall be sufficient for any purpose of this Indenture and (subject to Section 601) conclusive in favor of the Trustee and the Company, if made in the manner provided in this Section.

(b) The fact and date of the execution by any Person of any such instrument or writing may be proved by the affidavit of a witness of such execution or by a

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certificate of a notary public or other officer authorized by law to take acknowledgments of deeds, certifying that the individual signing such instrument or writing acknowledged to him the execution thereof. Where such execution is by a signer acting in a capacity other than his individual capacity, such certificate or affidavit shall also constitute sufficient proof of his authority. The fact and date of the execution of any such instrument or writing, or the authority of the Person executing the same, may also be proved in any other manner which the Trustee deems sufficient.

(c) The ownership of Securities shall be proved by the Security Register.

(d) Any request, demand, authorization, direction, notice, consent, waiver or other Act of the Holder of any Security shall bind every future Holder of the same Security and the Holder of every Security issued upon the registration of transfer thereof or in exchange therefor or in lieu thereof in respect of anything done, omitted or suffered to be done by the Trustee or the Company in reliance thereon, whether or not notation of such action is made upon such Security.

Section 105. Notices, Etc., to Trustee and Company.

Any request, demand, authorization, direction, notice, consent, waiver or Act of Holders or other document provided or permitted by this Indenture to be made upon, given or furnished to, or filed with,

(1) the Trustee by any Holder or by the Company shall be sufficient for every purpose hereunder if made, given, furnished or filed in writing to or with the Trustee at its Corporate Trust Office, Attention: Institutional Trust Services, or

(2) the Company by the Trustee or by any Holder shall be sufficient for every purpose hereunder (unless otherwise herein expressly provided) if in writing and mailed, first-class postage prepaid, to the Company addressed to it at the address of its principal office specified in the first paragraph of this instrument or at

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any other address previously furnished in writing to the Trustee by the Company.

Section 106. Notice to Holders; Waiver.

Where this Indenture provides for notice to Holders of any event, such notice shall be sufficiently given (unless otherwise herein expressly provided) if in writing and mailed, first-class postage prepaid, to each Holder affected by such event, at his address as it appears in the Security Register, not later than the latest date, and not earlier than the earliest date, prescribed for the giving of such notice. In any case where notice to Holders is given by mail, neither the failure to mail such notice, nor any defect in any notice so mailed, to any particular Holder shall affect the sufficiency of such notice with respect to other Holders. Where this Indenture provides for notice in any manner, such notice may be waived in writing by the Person entitled to receive such notice, either before or after the event, and such waiver shall be the equivalent of such notice. Waivers of notice by Holders shall be filed with the Trustee, but such filing shall not be a condition precedent to the validity of any action taken in reliance upon such waiver.

In case by reason of the suspension of regular mail service or by reason of any other cause it shall be impracticable to give such notice by mail, then such notification as shall be made with the approval of the Trustee shall constitute a sufficient notification for every purpose hereunder.

Section 107. Conflict with Trust Indenture Act.

If any provision hereof limits, qualifies or conflicts with another provision hereof which is required to be included in this Indenture by any of the provisions of the Trust Indenture Act, such required provision shall control.

Section 108. Effect of Headings and Table of Contents.

The Article and Section headings herein and the Table of Contents are for convenience only and shall not affect the construction hereof.

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Section 109. Successors and Assigns.

All covenants and agreements in this Indenture by the Company shall bind its successors and assigns, whether so expressed or not.

Section 110. Separability Clause.

In case any provision in this Indenture or in the Securities shall be invalid, illegal or unenforceable, the validity, legality and enforceability of the remaining provisions shall not in any way be affected or impaired thereby.

Section 111. Benefits of Indenture.

Nothing in this Indenture or in the Securities, express or implied, shall give to any Person, other than the parties hereto and their successors hereunder, the holders of Senior Indebtedness and the Holders, any benefit or any legal or equitable right, remedy or claim under this Indenture.

Section 112. Governing Law.

This Indenture and the Securities shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.

Section 113. Legal Holidays.

In any case where any Interest Payment Date, Redemption Date or Stated Maturity of any Security shall not be a Business Day at any Place of Payment, then (notwithstanding any other provision of this Indenture or of the Securities) payment of interest or principal (and premium, if any) need not be made at such Place of Payment on such date, but may be made on the next succeeding Business Day at such Place of Payment with the same force and effect as if made on the Interest Payment Date or Redemption Date, or at the Stated Maturity, provided that no interest shall accrue with respect to such payment for the period from and after such Interest Payment Date, Redemption Date or Stated Maturity, as the case may be.

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ARTICLE TWO

Security Forms

Section 201. Forms Generally.

The Securities of each series shall be in substantially the form set forth in this Article, or in such other form as shall be established by or pursuant to a Board Resolution or in one or more indentures supplemental hereto, in each case with such appropriate insertions, omissions, substitutions and other variations as are required or permitted by this Indenture, and may have such letters, numbers or other marks of identification and such legends or endorsements placed thereon as may be required to comply with the rules of any securities exchange or depository therefor or as may, consistently herewith, be determined by the officers executing such Securities, as evidenced by their execution thereof. If the form of Securities of any series is established by action taken pursuant to a Board Resolution, a copy of an appropriate record of such action shall be certified by the Secretary or an Assistant Secretary of the Company and delivered to the Trustee at or prior to the delivery of the Company Order contemplated by Section 303 for the authentication and delivery of such Securities.

The Trustee's certificates of authentication shall be in substantially the form set forth in this Article.

The definitive Securities shall be printed, lithographed or engraved on steel engraved borders or may be produced in any other manner, all as determined by the officers executing such Securities, as evidenced by their execution of such Securities.

Section 202. Form of Face of Security.

[Insert any legend required by the Internal Revenue Code and the regulations thereunder.]

The St. Paul Companies, Inc.

......................................

No. .......... $ ..........

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The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a corporation duly organized and existing under the laws of the State of Minnesota (herein called the "Company", which term includes any successor corporation under the Indenture hereinafter referred to), for value received, hereby promises to pay to ........................... or registered assigns, the principal sum of ....................... Dollars on ..................................... ............... [If the Security is to bear interest prior to Maturity, insert --, and to pay interest thereon from .......... or from the most recent Interest Payment Date to which interest has been paid or duly provided for, semi-annually on ................ and ............... in each year, commencing ..........., at the rate of ...% per annum, until the principal hereof is paid or made available for payment [If applicable insert --, provided that any principal and premium, and any such installment of interest, which is overdue shall bear interest at the rate of ...% per annum (to the extent that the payment of such interest shall be legally enforceable), from the dates such amounts are due until they are paid or made available for payment, and such interest shall be payable on demand]. The interest so payable, and punctually paid or duly provided for, on any Interest Payment Date will, as provided in such Indenture, be paid to the Person in whose name this Security (or one or more Predecessor Securities) is registered at the close of business on the Regular Record Date for such interest, which shall be the ...... or ....... (whether or not a Business Day), as the case may be, next preceding such Interest Payment Date. Any such interest not so punctually paid or duly provided for will forthwith cease to be payable to the Holder on such Regular Record Date and may either be paid to the Person in whose name this Security (or one or more Predecessor Securities) is registered at the close of business on a Special Record Date for the payment of such Defaulted Interest to be fixed by the Trustee, notice whereof shall be given to Holders of Securities of this series not less than 10 days prior to such Special Record Date, or be paid at any time in any other lawful manner not inconsistent with the requirements of any securities exchange on which the Securities of this series may be listed, and upon such notice as may be required by such exchange, all as more fully provided in said Indenture]. [If the Security is not to bear interest prior to Maturity, insert -- The principal of this Security

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shall not bear interest except in the case of a default in payment of principal upon acceleration, upon redemption or at Stated Maturity and in such case the overdue principal and any overdue premium shall bear interest at the rate of ...% per annum (to the extent that the payment of such interest shall be legally enforceable), from the dates such amounts are due until they are paid or made available for payment. Interest on any overdue principal or premium shall be payable on demand. [Any such interest on overdue principal or premium which is not paid on demand shall bear interest at the rate of ......% per annum (to the extent that the payment of such interest on interest shall be legally enforceable), from the date of such demand until the amount so demanded is paid or made available for payment. Interest on any overdue interest shall be payable on demand.]

Payment of the principal of (and premium, if any) and [if applicable, insert -- any such interest on this Security will be made at the office or agency of the Company maintained for that purpose in ............., in such coin or currency of the United States of America as at the time of payment is legal tender for payment of public and private debts [if applicable, insert -- ; provided, however, that at the option of the Company payment of interest may be made by check mailed to the address of the Person entitled thereto as such address shall appear in the Security Register].

Reference is hereby made to the further provisions of this Security set forth on the reverse hereof, which further provisions shall for all purposes have the same effect as if set forth at this place.

Unless the certificate of authentication hereon has been executed by the Trustee referred to on the reverse hereof by manual signature, this Security shall not be entitled to any benefit under the Indenture or be valid or obligatory for any purpose.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Company has caused this instrument to be duly executed under its corporate seal.

Dated: ......

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THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By ....................

Attest:

......................

Section 203. Form of Reverse of Security.

This Security is one of a duly authorized issue of securities of the Company (herein called the "Securities"), issued and to be issued in one or more series under an Indenture, dated as of - herein called the "Indenture", which term shall have the meaning assigned to it in such instrument), between the Company and JPMorgan Chase Bank, as Trustee (herein called the "Trustee", which term includes any successor trustee under the Indenture), and reference is hereby made to the Indenture for a statement of the respective rights, limitations of rights, duties and immunities thereunder of the Company, the Trustee and the Holders of the Securities and of the terms upon which the Securities are, and are to be, authenticated and delivered. This Security is one of the series designated on the face hereof [if applicable, insert --, limited in aggregate principal amount to $...........].

[If applicable, insert -- The Securities of this series are subject to redemption upon not more than 60 or less than 30 days' notice by mail, [if applicable, insert -- (1) on ......... in any year commencing with the year ..... and ending with the year ...... through operation of the sinking fund for this series at a Redemption Price equal to 100% of the principal amount, and
(2)] at any time [on or after .........., 20..], as a whole or in part, at the election of the Company, at the following Redemption Prices (expressed as

percentages of the principal amount): If redeemed [on or before .............,
__%, and if redeemed] during the 12-month period beginning ....... of the years
indicated.


                  Redemption                                       Redemption
Year                 Price                        Year                Price
----              ----------                      ----             -----------

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and thereafter at a Redemption Price equal to .....,% of the principal amount, together in the case of any such redemption [if applicable, insert -- (whether through operation of the sinking fund or otherwise)] with accrued interest to the Redemption Date, but interest installments whose Stated Maturity is on or prior to such Redemption Date will be payable to the Holders of such Securities, or one or more Predecessor Securities, of record at the close of business on the relevant Record Dates referred to on the face hereof, all as provided in the Indenture.]

[If applicable, insert -- The Securities of this series are subject to redemption upon not more than 60 or less than 30 days' notice by mail, (1) on ............ in any year commencing with the year .... and ending with the year .... through operation of the sinking fund for this series at the Redemption Prices for redemption through operation of the sinking fund (expressed as percentages of the principal amount) set forth in the table below, and (2) at any time [on or after ..........., as a whole or in part, at the election of the Company, at the Redemption Prices for redemption otherwise than through operation of the sinking fund (expressed as percentages of the principal amount) set forth in the table below: If redeemed during the 12-month period beginning ............ of the years indicated,

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                 Redemption Price For                    Redemption Price For
                 Redemption Through                    Redemption Otherwise Than
                  Operation of the                      Through Operation of the
Year                Sinking Fund                              Sinking Fund
----             ---------------------                 -------------------------

and thereafter at a Redemption Price equal to .....% of the principal amount, together in the case of any such redemption (whether through operation of the sinking fund or otherwise) with accrued interest to the Redemption Date, but interest installments whose Stated Maturity is on or prior to such Redemption Date will be payable to the Holders of such Securities, or one or more Predecessor Securities, of record at the close of business on the relevant Record Dates referred to on the face hereof, all as provided in the Indenture.]

[Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Company may not, prior to ..........., redeem any Securities of this series as contemplated by [Clause (2) of] the preceding paragraph as a part of, or in anticipation of, any refunding operation by the application, directly or indirectly, of moneys borrowed having an interest cost to the Company (calculated in accordance with generally accepted financial practice) of less than .....% per annum.]

[The sinking fund for this series provides for the redemption on .......... in each year beginning with the year ........ and ending with the year ...... of [not less than] $....... [("mandatory sinking fund") and not more than $..........] aggregate principal amount of Securities of this series.
[Securities of this series acquired or redeemed by the Company otherwise than through [mandatory] sinking fund payments may be credited against subsequent
[mandatory] sinking fund payments otherwise required to be made -- in the inverse order in which they become due.]

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In the event of redemption of this Security in part only, a new Security or Securities of this series and of a like tenor for the unredeemed portion hereof will be issued in the name of the Holder hereof upon the cancellation hereof.

The indebtedness evidenced by this Security is, to the extent provided in the Indenture, subordinate and subject in right of payment to the prior payment in full of all Senior Indebtedness, and this Security is issued subject to the provisions of the Indenture with respect thereto. Each Holder of this Security, by accepting the same, (a) agrees to and shall be bound by such provisions, (b) authorizes and directs the Trustee on his or her behalf to take such actions as may be necessary or appropriate to effectuate the subordination so provided and (c) appoints the Trustee his or her attorney-in-fact for any and all such purposes. Each Holder hereof, by his or her acceptance hereof, waives all notice of the acceptance of the subordination provisions contained herein and in the Indenture by each holder of Senior Indebtedness, whether now outstanding or hereafter created, incurred, assumed or guaranteed, and waives reliance by each such Holder upon said provisions.

[If the Security is not an Original Issue Discount Security,-- If an Event of Default with respect to Securities of this series shall occur and be continuing, the principal of the Securities of this series may be declared due and payable in the manner and with the effect provided in the Indenture.]

[If the Security is an Original Issue Discount Security, -- If an Event of Default with respect to Securities of this series shall occur and be continuing, an amount of principal of the Securities of this series may be declared due and payable in the manner and with the effect provided in the Indenture. Such amount shall be equal to -- insert formula for determining the amount. Upon payment (i) of the amount of principal so declared due and payable and (ii) of interest on any overdue principal, premium and overdue interest (in each case to the extent that the payment of such interest shall be legally enforceable), all of the Company's obligations in respect of the payment of the principal of and premium and interest, if any, on the Securities of this series shall terminate.]

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[The Indenture contains provisions for defeasance at any time of [the entire indebtedness of this Security or] [certain restrictive covenants and Events of Default with respect to this Security] [, in each case] upon compliance with certain conditions set forth therein.]

The Indenture permits, with certain exceptions as therein provided, the amendment thereof and the modification of the rights and obligations of the Company and the rights of the Holders of the Securities of each series to be affected under the Indenture at any time by the Company and the Trustee with the consent of the majority of the Holders of the principal amount of the Securities at the time Outstanding of each series to be affected. The Indenture also contains provisions permitting the Holders of specified percentages in principal amount of the Securities of each series at the time Outstanding, on behalf of the Holders of all Securities of such series, to waive compliance by the Company with certain provisions of the Indenture and certain past defaults under the Indenture and their consequences. Any such consent or waiver by the Holder of this Security shall be conclusive and binding upon such Holder and upon all future Holders of this Security and of any Security issued upon the registration of transfer hereof or in exchange herefor or in lieu hereof, whether or not notation of such consent or waiver is made upon this Security.

No reference herein to the Indenture and no provision of this Security or of the Indenture shall alter or impair the obligation of the Company, which is absolute and unconditional, to pay the principal of and any premium, and interest on this Security at the times, place and rate, and in the coin or currency, herein prescribed.

As provided in the Indenture and subject to certain limitations therein set forth, the transfer of this Security is registrable in the Security Register, upon surrender of this Security for registration of transfer at the office or agency of the Company in any place where the principal of and any premium and interest on this Security are payable, duly endorsed by, or accompanied by a written instrument of transfer in form satisfactory to the Company and the Security Registrar duly executed by, the Holder hereof or his attorney duly authorized in writing, and thereupon one or more new Securities of this series and of

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like tenor, of authorized denominations and for the same aggregate principal amount, will be issued to the designated transferee or transferees.

The Securities of this series are issuable only in registered form without coupons in denominations of $........ and any integral multiple thereof. As provided in the Indenture and subject to certain limitations therein set forth, Securities of this series are exchangeable for a like aggregate principal amount of Securities of this series and of like tenor of a different authorized denomination, as requested by the Holder surrendering the same.

No service charge shall be made for any such registration of transfer or exchange, but the Company may require payment of a sum sufficient to cover any tax or other governmental charge payable in connection therewith.

Prior to due presentment of this Security for registration of transfer, the Company, the Trustee and any agent of the Company or the Trustee may treat the Person in whose name this Security is registered as the owner hereof for all purposes, whether or not this Security be overdue, and neither the Company, the Trustee nor any such agent shall be affected by notice to the contrary.

All terms used in this Security which are defined in the Indenture shall have the meanings assigned to them in the Indenture.

Section 204. Form of Legend for Global Securities.

Any Global Security authenticated and delivered hereunder shall bear a legend in substantially the following form:

"This Security is a Global Security within the meaning of the Indenture hereinafter referred to and is registered in the name of a Depository or a nominee thereof. This Security may not be exchanged in whole or in part for a Security registered, and no transfer of this Security in whole or in part may be registered in the name of any person other than such Depository or a nominee thereof, except in the limited circumstances described in the Indenture."

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Section 205. Form of Trustee's Certificate of Authentication

The Trustee's certificates of authentication shall be in substantially the following form:

This is one of the Securities of the series designated therein referred to in the within-mentioned Indenture.

JPMORGAN CHASE BANK,
as Trustee

By__________________________
Authorized Officer

ARTICLE THREE

The Securities

Section 301. Amount Unlimited; Issuable in Series.

The aggregate principal amount of Securities which may be authenticated and delivered under this Indenture is unlimited.

The Securities may be issued in one or more series. There shall be established in or pursuant to a Board Resolution and, subject to Section 303, set forth, or determined in the manner provided, in an Officers' Certificate, or established in one or more indentures supplemental hereto, prior to the issuance of Securities of any series,

(1) the title of the Securities of the series (which shall distinguish the Securities of the series from Securities of any other series);

(2) any limit upon the aggregate principal amount of the Securities of the series which may be authenticated and delivered under this Indenture (except for Securities authenticated and delivered upon registration of transfer of, or in exchange for, or in lieu of, other Securities of the series pursuant to Section 304, 305, 306, 906 or 1207 and except for any

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Securities which, pursuant to Section 303, are deemed never to have been authenticated and delivered hereunder);

(3) the Person to whom any interest on a Security of the series shall be payable, if other than the Person in whose name that Security (or one or more Predecessor Securities) is registered at the close of business on the Regular Record Date for such interest;

(4) the date or dates on which the principal of the Securities of the series is payable;

(5) the rate or rates at which the Securities of the series shall bear interest, if any, the date or dates from which such interest shall accrue, the Interest Payment Dates on which such interest shall be payable and the Regular Record Date for the interest payable on any Interest Payment Date;

(6) the place or places where the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on Securities of the series shall be payable;

(7) the period or periods within which, the price or prices at which, and the terms and conditions upon which, Securities of the series may be redeemed, in whole or in part, at the option of the Company;

(8) the obligation, if any, of the Company to redeem or purchase Securities of the series pursuant to any sinking fund or analogous provisions or at the option of a Holder thereof and the period or periods within which, the price or prices at which and the terms and conditions upon which, Securities of the series shall be redeemed or purchased, in whole or in part, pursuant to such obligation;

(9) any provisions necessary to permit or facilitate the issuance, payment or conversion of any Securities of the series that may be converted into securities or other property other

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than Securities of the same series (including shares of the Company's common or preferred stock or other Securities of the Company) and of like tenor, whether in addition to, or in lieu of, any payment of principal or other amount and whether at the option of the Company or otherwise;

(10) if other than denominations of $1,000 and any integral multiple thereof, the denominations in which Securities of the series shall be issuable;

(11) the currency or currencies, including composite currencies, in which payment of the principal of and any premium and interest on the Securities of the series shall be payable if other than the currency of the United States of America;

(12) if the principal of or any premium or interest on any Securities of the series is to be payable, at the election of the Company or the Holder thereof, in one or more currencies, composite currencies or currency units other than that or those in which such Securities are stated to be payable, the currency, currencies, composite currency, composite currencies or currency units in which the principal of or any premium or interest on such Securities as to which such election is made shall be payable, the periods within which and the terms and conditions upon which such election is to be made and the amount so payable (or the manner in which such amount shall be determined);

(13) if the amount of payments of principal of and any premium or interest on the Securities of the series may be determined with reference to an index, a formula or any other method, the manner in which such amounts shall be determined;

(14) whether the Securities of the series shall be issued in whole or in part in the form of one or more Global Securities and, in such case, the Depository with respect to such Global Security or Securities and the circumstances under which any such Global Security may be exchanged for Securities registered in the name of, and any transfer of such Global Security may be

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registered in the name of, a Person other than such Depository or its nominee, if other than as set forth in Section 305;

(15) if other than the principal amount thereof, the portion of the principal amount of Securities of the series which shall be payable upon declaration of acceleration of the Maturity thereof pursuant to Section 502:

(16) the application, if any, of Sections 1302 or 1303 to the Securities of any series;

(17) any proposed listing on any national or foreign securities exchange of the Securities of the series; and

(18) any other terms of the series (which terms shall not be inconsistent with the provisions of this Indenture), including any terms necessary, customary or desirable to facilitate the issuance of Preferred Securities by a St. Paul Capital Trust.

All Securities of any one series shall be substantially identical except as to denomination and except as may otherwise be provided in or pursuant to the Board Resolution referred to above and (subject to Section 303) set forth in the Officers' Certificate or in any such indenture supplemental hereto.

If any of the terms of the series are established by action taken pursuant to a Board Resolution, a copy of an appropriate record of such action shall be certified by the Secretary or an Assistant Secretary of the Company and delivered to the Trustee at or prior to the delivery of the Officers' Certificate setting forth the terms of the series.

The Securities shall be subordinated in right of payment to Senior Indebtedness as provided in Article Eleven.

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Section 302. Denominations.

The Securities of each series shall be issuable in registered form without coupons in such denominations as shall be specified as contemplated by
Section 301. In the absence of any such provisions with respect to the Securities of any series, the Securities of such series shall be issuable in denominations of $1,000 and any integral multiple thereof.

Section 303. Execution, Authentication, Delivery and Dating.

The Securities shall be executed on behalf of the Company by its Chairman of the Board, its President or one of its Vice Presidents. The signature of any of these officers on the Securities may be manual or facsimile.

Securities bearing the manual or facsimile signatures of individuals who were at any time the proper officers of the Company shall bind the Company, notwithstanding that such individuals or any of them have ceased to hold such offices prior to the authentication and delivery of such Securities or did not hold such offices at the date of such Securities.

At any time and from time to time after the execution and delivery of this Indenture, the Company may deliver Securities of any series executed by the Company to the Trustee for authentication, together with a Company Order for the authentication and delivery of such Securities, and the Trustee in accordance with the Company Order shall authenticate and deliver such Securities. If the form or terms of the Securities of the series have been established in or pursuant to one or more Board Resolutions as permitted by Sections 201 and 301, in authenticating such Securities, and accepting the additional responsibilities under this Indenture in relation to such Securities, the Trustee shall be entitled to receive, and (subject to Section 601) shall be fully protected in relying upon, an Opinion of Counsel stating,

(a) if the form of such Securities has been established by or pursuant to Board Resolution as permitted by Section 201, that such form has been established in conformity with the provisions of this Indenture;

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(b) if the terms of such Securities have been established by or pursuant to Board Resolution as permitted by Section 301, that such terms have been established in conformity with the provisions of this Indenture; and

(c) that such Securities, when authenticated and delivered by the Trustee and issued by the Company in the manner and subject to any conditions specified in such Opinion of Counsel, will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Company, enforceable in accordance with their terms, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting the enforcement of creditors' rights and to general equity principles.

If such form or terms have been so established, the Trustee shall not be required to authenticate such Securities if the issue of such Securities pursuant to this Indenture will affect the Trustee's own rights, duties or immunities under the Securities and this Indenture or otherwise in a manner which is not reasonably acceptable to the Trustee.

Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 301 and of the preceding paragraph, if all Securities of a series are not to be originally issued at one time, it shall not be necessary to deliver the Officers' Certificate otherwise required pursuant to Section 301 or the Company Order and Opinion of Counsel otherwise required pursuant to such preceding paragraph at or prior to the time of authentication of each Security of such series if such documents are delivered at or prior to the time of authentication upon original issuance of the first Security of such series to be issued.

Each Security shall be dated the date of its authentication.

No Security shall be entitled to any benefit under this Indenture or be valid or obligatory for any purpose unless there appears on such Security a certificate of authentication substantially in the form provided for herein executed by the Trustee by manual signature, and such certificate upon any Security shall be conclusive

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evidence, and the only evidence, that such Security has been duly authenticated and delivered hereunder and is entitled to the benefits of this Indenture. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if any Security shall have been authenticated and delivered hereunder but never issued and sold by the Company, and the Company shall deliver such Security to the Trustee for cancellation as provided in
Section 309 together with a written statement (which need not comply with
Section 102 and need not be accompanied by an Opinion of Counsel) stating that such Security has never been issued and sold by the Company, for all purposes of this Indenture such Security shall be deemed never to have been authenticated and delivered hereunder and shall never be entitled to the benefits of this Indenture.

Section 304. Temporary Securities.

Pending the preparation of definitive Securities of any series, the Company may execute, and upon Company Order the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver, temporary Securities which are printed, lithographed, typewritten, mimeographed or otherwise produced, in any authorized denomination, substantially of the tenor of the definitive Securities in lieu of which they are issued and with such appropriate insertions, omissions, substitutions and other variations as the officers executing such Securities may determine, as evidenced by their execution of such Securities.

If temporary Securities of any series are issued, the Company will cause definitive Securities of that series to be prepared without unreasonable delay. After the preparation of definitive Securities of such series, the temporary Securities of such series shall be exchangeable for definitive Securities of such series upon surrender of the temporary Securities of such series at the office or agency of the Company in a Place of Payment for that series, without charge to the Holder. Upon surrender for cancellation of any one or more temporary Securities of any series the Company shall execute and the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver in exchange therefor a like principal amount of definitive Securities of the same series and of a like tenor of authorized denominations. Until so exchanged the temporary Securities of any series shall in all respects be entitled to the same benefits

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under this Indenture as definitive Securities of such series.

Section 305. Registration, Registration of Transfer and Exchange.

The Company shall cause to be kept at the Corporate Trust Office of the Trustee a register (the register maintained in such office and in any other office or agency of the Company in a Place of Payment being herein sometimes collectively referred to as the "Security Register") in which, subject to such reasonable regulations as it may prescribe, the Company shall provide for the registration of Securities and of transfers of Securities. The Trustee is hereby appointed "Security Registrar" for the purpose of registering Securities and transfers of Securities as herein provided.

Upon surrender for registration of transfer of any Security of any series at the office or agency in a Place of Payment for that series, the Company shall execute, and the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver, in the name of the designated transferee or transferees, one or more new Securities of the same series, of any authorized denominations and of a like aggregate principal amount and tenor.

At the option of the Holder, Securities of any series may be exchanged for other Securities of the same series of any authorized denominations and of a like aggregate principal amount and tenor, upon surrender of the Securities to be exchanged at such office or agency. Whenever any Securities are so surrendered for exchange, the Company shall execute, and the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver, the Securities which the Holder making the exchange is entitled to receive.

All Securities issued upon any registration of transfer or exchange of Securities shall be the valid obligations of the Company, evidencing the same debt, and entitled to the same benefits under this Indenture, as the Securities surrendered upon such registration of transfer or exchange.

Every Security presented or surrendered for registration of transfer or for exchange shall (if so required by the Company or the Trustee) be duly endorsed,

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or be accompanied by a written instrument of transfer in form satisfactory to the Company and the Security Registrar duly executed, by the Holder thereof or his attorney duly authorized in writing.

No service charge shall be made for any registration of transfer or exchange of Securities, but the Company may require payment of a sum sufficient to cover any tax or other governmental charge that may be imposed in connection with any registration of transfer or exchange of Securities, other than exchanges pursuant to Section 304, 906 or 1207 not involving any transfer.

The Company shall not be required (i) to issue, register the transfer of or exchange Securities of any series during a period beginning at the opening of business 15 days before the day of the mailing of a notice of redemption of Securities of that series selected for redemption under Section 1203 and ending at the close of business on the day of such mailing, or (ii) to register the transfer of or exchange any Security so selected for redemption in whole or in part, except the unredeemed portion of any Security being redeemed in part.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, no Global Security shall be registered for transfer or exchange, or authenticated or delivered, pursuant to this
Section 305 or Sections 304, 306, 906 or 1207 in the name of a Person other than the Depository for such Security or its nominee until (i) the Depository with respect to a Global Security notifies the Company that it is unwilling or unable to continue as Depository for such Global Security or the Depository ceases to be a clearing agency registered under the Exchange Act, (ii) the Company executes and delivers to the Trustee a Company Order that such Global Security shall be so transferable and exchangeable or (iii) there shall have occurred and be continuing an Event of Default with respect to the Securities of such series. Upon the occurrence in respect of any Global Security of any series of any one or more of the conditions specified in clauses (i), (ii) or (iii) of the preceding sentence or such other conditions as may be specified as contemplated by Section 301 for such series, such Global Security may be registered for transfer or exchange for Securities registered in the names of, or authenticated and delivered to, such Persons as the Depository with respect to such series shall direct.

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Except as provided in the preceding paragraph, any Security authenticated and delivered upon registration of transfer of, or in exchange for, or in lieu of, any Global Security, whether pursuant to this Section,
Section 304, 306, 906 or 1207 or otherwise, shall also be a Global Security and bear the legend specified in Section 205.

Section 306. Mutilated, Destroyed, Lost and Stolen Securities.

If any mutilated Security is surrendered to the Trustee, the Company shall execute and the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver in exchange thereof or a new Security of the same series and of like tenor and principal amount and bearing a number not contemporaneously outstanding.

If there shall be delivered to the Company and the Trustee (i) evidence to their satisfaction of the destruction, loss or theft of any Security and (ii) such security or indemnity as may be required by them to save each of them and any agent of either of them harmless, then, in the absence of notice to the Company or the Trustee that such Security has been acquired by a protected purchaser, the Company shall execute and upon its request the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver, in lieu of any such destroyed, lost or stolen Security, a new Security of the same series and of like tenor and principal amount and bearing a number not contemporaneously outstanding.

In case any such mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Security has become or is about to become due and payable, the Company in its discretion may, instead of issuing a new Security, pay such Security.

Upon the issuance of any new Security under this Section, the Company may require the payment of a sum sufficient to cover any tax or other governmental charge that may be imposed in relation thereto and any other expenses (including the fees and expenses of the Trustee) connected therewith.

Every new Security of any series issued pursuant to this Section in lieu of any destroyed, lost or stolen Security shall constitute an original additional contractual obligation of the Company, whether or not the destroyed, lost or stolen Security shall be at any time

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enforceable by anyone, and shall be entitled to all the benefits of this Indenture equally and proportionately with any and all other Securities of that series duly issued hereunder.

The provisions of this Section are exclusive and shall preclude (to the extent lawful) all other rights and remedies with respect to the replacement or payment of mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Securities.

Section 307. Payment of Interest; Interest Rights Preserved.

Unless otherwise provided as contemplated by Section 301 with respect to any series of Securities, interest on any Security which is payable, and is punctually paid or duly provided for, on any Interest Payment Date shall be paid to the Person in whose name that Security (or one or more Predecessor Securities) is registered at the close of business on the Regular Record Date for such interest.

Any interest on any Security of any series which is payable, but is not punctually paid or duly provided for, on any Interest Payment Date (herein called "Defaulted Interest") shall forthwith cease to be payable to the Holder on the relevant Regular Record Date by virtue of having been such Holder, and such Defaulted Interest may be paid by the Company, at its election in each case, as provided in Clause (1) or (2) below:

(1) The Company may elect to make payment of any Defaulted Interest to the Persons in whose names the Securities of such series (or their respective Predecessor Securities) are registered at the close of business on a Special Record Date for the payment of such Defaulted Interest, which shall be fixed in the following manner. The Company shall notify the Trustee in writing of the amount of Defaulted Interest proposed to be paid on each Security of such series and the date of the proposed payment, and at the same time the Company shall deposit with the Trustee an amount of money equal to the aggregate amount proposed to be paid in respect of such Defaulted Interest or shall make arrangements satisfactory to the Trustee for such deposit prior to the date of the

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proposed payment, such money when deposited to be held in trust for the benefit of the Persons entitled to such Defaulted Interest as in this Clause provided. Thereupon the Trustee shall fix a Special Record Date for the payment of such Defaulted Interest which shall be not more than 15 days and not less than 10 days prior to the date of the proposed payment and not less than 10 days after the receipt by the Trustee of the notice of the proposed payment. The Trustee shall promptly notify the Company of such Special Record Date and, in the name and at the expense of the Company, shall cause notice of the proposed payment of such Defaulted Interest and the Special Record Date therefor to be mailed, first-class postage prepaid, to each Holder of Securities of such series at his address as it appears in the Security Register, not less than 10 days prior to such Special Record Date. Notice of the proposed payment of such Defaulted Interest and the Special Record Date therefor having been so mailed, such Defaulted Interest shall be paid to the Persons in whose names the Securities of such series (or their respective Predecessor Securities) are registered at the close of business on such Special Record Date and shall no longer be payable pursuant to the following Clause (2).

(2) The Company may make payment of any Defaulted Interest on the Securities of any series in any other lawful manner not inconsistent with the requirements of any securities exchange on which such Securities may be listed, and upon such notice as may be required by such exchange, if, after notice given by the Company to the Trustee of the proposed payment pursuant to this Clause, such manner of payment shall be deemed practicable by the Trustee.

Subject to the foregoing provisions of this Section, each Security delivered under this Indenture upon registration of transfer of or in exchange for or in lieu of any other Security shall carry the rights to interest

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accrued and unpaid, and to accrue, which were carried by such other Security.

Section 308. Persons Deemed Owners.

Prior to due presentment of a Security for registration of transfer, the Company, the Trustee and any agent of the Company or the Trustee may treat the Person in whose name such Security is registered as the owner of such Security for the purpose of receiving payment of principal of (and premium, if any) and (subject to Section 307) interest on such Security and for all other purposes whatsoever, whether or not such Security be overdue, and neither the Company, the Trustee nor any agent of the Company or the Trustee shall be affected by notice to the contrary.

Section 309. Cancellation.

All Securities surrendered for payment, redemption, registration of transfer or exchange or for credit against any sinking fund payment shall, if surrendered to any Person other than the Trustee, be delivered to the Trustee and shall be promptly cancelled by it. The Company may at any time deliver to the Trustee for cancellation any Securities previously authenticated and delivered hereunder which the Company may have acquired in any manner whatsoever, and may deliver to the Trustee (or to any other Person for delivery to the Trustee) for cancellation any Securities previously authenticated hereunder which the Company has not issued and sold, and all Securities so delivered shall be promptly cancelled by the Trustee. No Securities shall be authenticated in lieu of or in exchange for any Securities cancelled as provided in this Section, except as expressly permitted by this Indenture. All cancelled Securities held by the Trustee shall be disposed of in accordance with its normal procedures unless otherwise directed by a Company Order.

Section 310. Computation of Interest.

Except as otherwise specified as contemplated by Section 301 for Securities of any series, interest on the Securities of each series shall be computed on the basis of a 360-day year of twelve 30-day months.

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ARTICLE FOUR

Satisfaction and Discharge

Section 401. Satisfaction and Discharge of Indenture.

This Indenture shall upon Company Request cease to be of further effect (except as to any surviving rights of registration of transfer or exchange of Securities herein expressly provided for), and the Trustee, at the expense of the Company, shall execute proper instruments acknowledging satisfaction and discharge of this Indenture, when

(1) either

(A) all Securities theretofore authenticated and delivered (other than (i) Securities which have been destroyed, lost or stolen and which have been replaced or paid as provided in Section 306 and (ii) Securities for whose payment money has theretofore been deposited in trust or segregated and held in trust by the Company and thereafter repaid to the Company or discharged from such trust, as provided in
Section 1003) have been delivered to the Trustee for cancellation; or

(B) all such Securities not theretofore delivered to the Trustee for cancellation

(i) have become due and payable, or

(ii) will become due and payable at their Stated Maturity within one year, or

(iii) are to be called for redemption within one year under arrangements satisfactory to the Trustee for the giving of notice of redemption by the Trustee in the name, and at the expense, of the Company,

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and the Company, in the case of (i), (ii) or (iii) above, has deposited or caused to be deposited with the Trustee as trust funds in trust for the purpose an amount sufficient to pay and discharge the entire Indebtedness on such Securities not theretofore delivered to the Trustee for cancellation, for principal (and premium, if any) and interest to the date of such deposit (in the case of Securities which have become due and payable) or to the Stated Maturity or Redemption Date, as the case may be;

(2) the Company has paid or caused to be paid all other sums payable hereunder by the Company; and

(3) the Company has delivered to the Trustee an Officers' Certificate and an Opinion of Counsel, each stating that all conditions precedent herein provided for relating to the satisfaction and discharge of this Indenture have been complied with.

Notwithstanding the satisfaction and discharge of this Indenture, the obligations of the Company to the Trustee under Section 607, the obligations of the Trustee to any Authenticating Agent under Section 614 and, if money shall have been deposited with the Trustee pursuant to subclause (B) of clause (1) of this Section, the obligations of the Trustee under Section 402 and the last paragraph of Section 1003 shall survive.

Section 402. Application of Trust Money.

Subject to provisions of the last paragraph of Section 1003, all money deposited with the Trustee pursuant to Section 401 shall be held in trust and applied by it, in accordance with the provisions of the Securities and this Indenture, to the payment, either directly or through any Paying Agent (including the Company acting as its own Paying Agent) as the Trustee may determine, to the Persons entitled thereto, of the principal (and premium, if any) and interest for whose payment such money has been deposited with the Trustee.

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ARTICLE FIVE

Remedies

Section 501. Events of Default.

"Event of Default", wherever used herein with respect to Securities of any series, means any one of the following events (whatever the reason for such Event of Default and whether it shall be occasioned by the provisions of Article Eleven, or be voluntary or involuntary or be effected by operation of law or pursuant to any judgment, decree or order of any court or any order, rule or regulation of any administrative or governmental body):

(1) default in the payment of any interest upon any Security of that series when it becomes due and payable, and continuance of such default for a period of 30 days; or

(2) default in the payment of the principal of (or premium, if any, on) any Security of that series at its Maturity; or

(3) default in the deposit of any sinking fund payment, when and as due by the terms of a Security of that series; or

(4) default in the performance, or breach, of any covenant or warranty of the Company in this Indenture (other than a covenant or warranty a default in whose performance or whose breach is elsewhere in this Section specifically dealt with or which has expressly been included in this Indenture solely for the benefit of a series of Securities other than that series), and continuance of such default or breach for a period of 90 days after there has been given, by registered or certified mail, to the Company by the Trustee or to the Company and the Trustee by the Holders of at least 25% in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of that series a written notice specifying such default or breach and requiring it to be remedied and stating that such notice is a "Notice of Default" hereunder; or

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(5) the entry by a court having jurisdiction in the premises of (A) a decree or order for relief in respect of the Company in an involuntary case or proceeding under any applicable Federal or State bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization or other similar law or (B) a decree or order adjudging the Company a bankrupt or insolvent, or approving as properly filed a petition seeking reorganization, arrangement, adjustment or composition of or in respect of the Company under any applicable Federal or State law, or appointing a custodian, receiver, liquidator, assignee, trustee, sequestrator or other similar official of the Company or of any substantial part of its property, or ordering the winding up or liquidation of its affairs, and the continuance of any such decree or order for relief or any such other decree or order unstayed and in effect for a period of 90 consecutive days; or

(6) the commencement by the Company of a voluntary case or proceeding under any applicable Federal or State bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization or other similar law or of any other case or proceeding to be adjudicated a bankrupt or insolvent, or the consent by it to the entry of a decree or order for relief in respect of the Company in an involuntary case or proceeding under any applicable Federal or State bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization or other similar law or to the commencement of any bankruptcy or insolvency case or proceeding against it, or the filing by it of a petition or answer or consent seeking reorganization or relief under any applicable Federal or State law, or the consent by it to the filing of such petition or to the appointment of or taking possession by a custodian, receiver, liquidator, assignee, trustee, sequestrator or similar official of the Company or of any substantial part of its property, or the making by it of an assignment for the benefit of creditors, or the admission by it in writing of its inability to pay its debts generally as they become due, or

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the taking of corporate action by the Company in furtherance of any such action; or

(7) any other Event of Default provided with respect to Securities of that series.

Upon receipt by the Trustee of any Notice of Default pursuant to this
Section 501 with respect to Securities of a series all or part of which is represented by a Global Security, a record date shall be established for determining Holders of Outstanding Securities of such series entitled to join in such Notice of Default, which record date shall be at the close of business on the day the Trustee receives such Notice of Default. The Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to join in such Notice of Default, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless Holders of at least 25% in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of such series, or their proxies, shall have joined in such Notice of Default prior to the date which is the ninetieth day after such record date, such Notice of Default shall automatically and without further action by any Holder be canceled and of no further effect. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent a Holder, or a proxy of a Holder, from giving, (i) after expiration of such 90-day period, a new Notice of Default identical to a Notice of Default which has been canceled pursuant to the proviso to the preceding sentence or (ii) during any such 90-day period, an additional Notice of Default with respect to any new or different fact or circumstance permitting the giving of a Notice of Default with respect to Securities of such series, in either of which events a new record date shall be established pursuant to the provisions of this Section 501.

Section 502. Acceleration of Maturity; Rescission and Annulment.

If an Event of Default with respect to Securities of any series at the time Outstanding occurs and is continuing, then and in every such case the Trustee or the Holders of not less than 25% in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of that series may declare the principal amount (or, if any of the Securities of that series are Original Issue Discount Securities, such portion of the principal amount of such Securities as may be

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specified in the terms thereof) of all of the Securities of that series to be due and payable immediately, by a notice in writing to the Company (and to the Trustee if given by Holders), and upon any such declaration such principal amount (or specified amount) shall become immediately due and payable.

At any time after such a declaration of acceleration with respect to Securities of any series has been made and before a judgment or decree for payment of the money due has been obtained by the Trustee as hereinafter in this Article provided, the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of that series, by written notice to the Company and the Trustee, may rescind and annul such declaration and its consequences if

(1) the Company has paid or deposited with the Trustee a sum sufficient to pay

(A) all overdue interest on all Securities of that series,

(B) the principal of (and premium, if any, on) any Securities of that series which have become due otherwise than by such declaration of acceleration and interest thereon at the rate or rates prescribed therefor in such Securities,

(C) to the extent that payment of such interest is lawful, interest upon overdue interest at the rate or rates prescribed therefor in such Securities, and

(D) all sums paid or advanced by the Trustee hereunder and the reasonable compensation, expenses, disbursements and advances of the Trustee, its agents and counsel;

and

(2) all Events of Default with respect to Securities of that series, other than the non-payment of the principal of Securities of that series which have become due solely by such

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declaration of acceleration, have been cured or waived as provided in
Section 513.

No such rescission shall affect any subsequent default or impair any right consequent thereon.

Upon receipt by the Trustee of written notice declaring such an acceleration, or rescission and annulment thereof, with respect to Securities of a series all or part of which is represented by a Global Security, a record date shall be established for determining Holders of Outstanding Securities of such series entitled to join in such notice, which record date shall be at the close of business on the day the Trustee receives such notice. The Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to join in such notice, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless such declaration of acceleration, or rescission and annulment, as the case may be, shall have become effective by virtue of the requisite percentage having joined in such notice prior to the day which is the ninetieth day after such record date, such notice of declaration of acceleration, or rescission and annulment, as the case may be, shall automatically and without further action by any Holder be canceled and of no further effect. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent a Holder, or a proxy of a Holder, of Securities of any series from giving, (i) after expiration of such 90-day period, a new written notice of declaration of acceleration, or rescission and annulment thereof, as the case may be, that is identical to a written notice which has been canceled pursuant to the proviso to the preceding sentence or (ii) during any such 90-day period an additional written notice of declaration of acceleration with respect to any other Event of Default with respect to Securities of such series, or an additional written notice of rescission or annulment of any declaration of acceleration with respect to any other Event of Default with respect to Securities of such series, in either of which events a new record date shall be established pursuant to the provisions of this Section 502.

Section 503. Collection of Indebtedness and Suits for Enforcement by Trustee.

The Company covenants that if

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(1) default is made in the payment of any interest on any Security when such interest becomes due and payable and such default continues for a period of 30 days, or

(2) default is made in the payment of the principal of (or premium, if any, on) any Security at the Maturity thereof,

the Company will, upon demand of the Trustee, pay to it, for the benefit of the Holders of such Securities, the whole amount then due and payable on such Securities for principal (and premium, if any) and interest and, to the extent that payment of such interest shall be legally enforceable, interest on any overdue principal (and premium, if any) and on any overdue interest, at the rate or rates prescribed therefor in such Securities, and, in addition thereto, such further amount as shall be sufficient to cover the costs and expenses of collection, including the reasonable compensation, expenses, disbursements and advances of the Trustee, its agents and counsel.

If the Company fails to pay such amounts forthwith upon such demand, the Trustee, in its own name and as trustee of an express trust, may institute a judicial proceeding for the collection of the sums so due and unpaid, may prosecute such proceeding to judgment or final decree and may enforce the same against the Company or any other obligor upon such Securities and collect the moneys adjudged or decreed to be payable in the manner provided by law out of the property of the Company or any other obligor upon such Securities, wherever situated.

If an Event of Default with respect to Securities of any series occurs and is continuing, the Trustee may in its discretion proceed to protect and enforce its rights and the rights of the Holders of Securities of such series by such appropriate judicial proceedings as the Trustee shall deem most effectual to protect and enforce any such rights, whether for the specific enforcement of any covenant or agreement in this Indenture or in aid of the exercise of any power granted herein, or to enforce any other proper remedy.

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Section 504. Trustee May File Proofs of Claim.

In case of the pendency of any receivership, insolvency, liquidation, bankruptcy, reorganization, arrangement, adjustment, composition or other judicial proceeding relative to the Company or any other obligor upon the Securities or the property of the Company or of such other obligor or their creditors, the Trustee (irrespective of whether the principal of the Securities shall then be due and payable as therein expressed or by declaration or otherwise and irrespective of whether the Trustee shall have made any demand on the Company for the payment of overdue principal or interest) shall be entitled and empowered, by intervention in such proceeding or otherwise,

(i) to file and prove a claim for the whole amount of principal (and premium, if any) and interest owing and unpaid in respect of the Securities and to file such other papers or documents as may be necessary or advisable in order to have the claims of the Trustee (including any claim for the reasonable compensation, expenses, disbursements and advances of the Trustee, its agents and counsel) and of the Holders allowed in such judicial proceeding, and

(ii) to collect and receive any moneys or other property payable or deliverable on any such claims and to distribute the same;

and any custodian, receiver, assignee, trustee, liquidator, sequestrator or other similar official in any such judicial proceeding is hereby authorized by each Holder to make such payments to the Trustee and, in the event that the Trustee shall consent to the making of such payments directly to the Holders, to pay to the Trustee any amount due it for the reasonable compensation, expenses, disbursements and advances of the Trustee, its agents and counsel, and any other amounts due the Trustee under Section 607.

Nothing herein contained shall be deemed to authorize the Trustee to authorize or consent to or accept or adopt on behalf of any Holder any plan of reorganization, arrangement, adjustment or composition affecting the Securities or the rights of any Holder

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thereof or to authorize the Trustee to vote in respect of the claim of any Holder in any such proceeding.

Section 505. Trustee May Enforce Claims Without Possession of Securities.

All rights of action and claims under this Indenture or the Securities may be prosecuted and enforced by the Trustee without the possession of any of the Securities or the production thereof in any proceeding relating thereto, and any such proceeding instituted by the Trustee shall be brought in its own name as trustee of an express trust, and any recovery of judgment shall, after provision for the payment of the reasonable compensation, expenses, disbursements and advances of the Trustee, its agents and counsel, be for the ratable benefit of the Holders of the Securities in respect of which such judgment has been recovered.

Section 506. Application of Money Collected.

Any money collected by the Trustee pursuant to this Article shall be applied in the following order, at the date or dates fixed by the Trustee and, in case of the distribution of such money on account of principal (or premium, if any) or interest, upon presentation of the Securities and the notation thereon of the payment if only partially paid and upon surrender thereof if fully paid:

FIRST: To the payment of all amounts due the Trustee under Section 607, including the reasonable fees and expenses of its counsel; and

SECOND: Subject to Article Eleven, to the payment of the amounts then due and unpaid for principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on the Securities in respect of which or for the benefit of which such money has been collected, ratably, without preference or priority of any kind, according to the amounts due and payable on such Securities for principal (and premium, if any) and interest, respectively.

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Section 507. Limitation on Suits.

No Holder of any Security of any series shall have any right to institute any proceeding, judicial or otherwise, with respect to this Indenture, or for the appointment of a receiver or trustee, or for any other remedy hereunder, unless

(1) such Holder has previously given written notice to the Trustee of a continuing Event of Default with respect to the Securities of that series;

(2) the Holders of not less than 25% in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of that series shall have made written request to the Trustee to institute proceedings in respect of such Event of Default in its own name as Trustee hereunder;

(3) such Holder or Holders have offered to the Trustee reasonable indemnity against the costs, expenses and liabilities to be incurred in compliance with such request;

(4) the Trustee for 90 days after its receipt of such notice, request and offer of indemnity has failed to institute any such proceeding; and

(5) no direction inconsistent with such written request has been given to the Trustee during such 90-day period by the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of that series;

it being understood and intended that no one or more of such Holders shall have any right in any manner whatever by virtue of, or by availing of, any provision of this Indenture to affect, disturb or prejudice the rights of any other of such Holders, or to obtain or to seek to obtain priority or preference over any other of such Holders or to enforce any right under this Indenture, except in the manner herein provided and for the equal and ratable benefit of all of such Holders.

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Section 508. Unconditional Right of Holders to Receive Principal, Premium and Interest.

Notwithstanding any other provision in this Indenture, the Holder of any Security shall have the right, which is absolute and unconditional, to receive payment of the principal of (and premium, if any) and (subject to
Section 307) interest on such Security on the Stated Maturity or Maturities expressed in such Security (or, in the case of redemption, on the Redemption Date) and to institute suit for the enforcement of any such payment, and such rights shall not be impaired without the consent of such Holder.

Section 509. Restoration of Rights and Remedies.

If the Trustee or any Holder has instituted any proceeding to enforce any right or remedy under this Indenture and such proceeding has been discontinued or abandoned for any reason, or has been determined adversely to the Trustee or to such Holder, then and in every such case, subject to any determination in such proceeding, the Company, the Trustee and the Holders shall be restored severally and respectively to their former positions hereunder and thereafter all rights and remedies of the Trustee and the Holders shall continue as though no such proceeding had been instituted.

Section 510. Rights and Remedies Cumulative.

Except as otherwise provided with respect to the replacement or payment of mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Securities in the last paragraph of
Section 306, no right or remedy herein conferred upon or reserved to the Trustee or to the Holders is intended to be exclusive of any other right or remedy, and every right and remedy shall, to the extent permitted by law, be cumulative and in addition to every other right and remedy given hereunder or now or hereafter existing at law or in equity or otherwise. The assertion or employment of any right or remedy hereunder, or otherwise, shall not prevent the concurrent assertion or employment of any other appropriate right or remedy.

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Section 511. Delay or Omission Not Waiver.

No delay or omission of the Trustee or of any Holder of any Securities to exercise any right or remedy accruing upon any Event of Default shall impair any such right or remedy or constitute a waiver of any such Event of Default or an acquiescence therein. Every right and remedy given by this Article or by law to the Trustee or to the Holders may be exercised from time to time, and as often as may be deemed expedient, by the Trustee or by the Holders, as the case may be.

Section 512. Control by Holders.

The Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of any series shall have the right to direct the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Trustee, or exercising any trust or power conferred on the Trustee, with respect to the Securities of such series, provided that

(1) such direction shall not be in conflict with any rule of law or with this Indenture, and

(2) the Trustee may take any other action deemed proper by the Trustee which is not inconsistent with such direction.

Upon receipt by the Trustee of any written notice directing the time, method or place of conducting any such proceeding or exercising any such trust or power, with respect to Securities of a series all or part of which is represented by a Global Security, a record date shall be established for determining Holders of Outstanding Securities of such series entitled to join in such notice, which record date shall be at the close of business on the day the Trustee receives such notice. The Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to join in such notice, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of such series shall have joined in such notice prior to the day which is the ninetieth day after such record date, such notice shall automatically and without further action by any Holder be cancelled and of no further

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effect. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent a Holder, or a proxy of a Holder, from giving, (i) after expiration of such 90-day period, a new notice identical to a notice which has been cancelled pursuant to the proviso to the preceding sentence or (ii) during any such 90-day period, a new direction contrary to or different from such direction, in either of which events a new record date shall be established pursuant to the provisions of this Section 512.

Section 513. Waiver of Past Defaults.

Subject to Section 502, the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of any series may, by notice to the Trustee, waive an existing or past default with respect to the Securities of such series and its consequences, except a default

(1) in the payment of principal of (or premium, if any) or interest on any Security of such series, or in the deposit of any sinking fund payment when and as due,

(2) in respect of a covenant or provision hereof which under Article Nine cannot be modified or amended without the consent of the Holder of each Outstanding Security of such series affected, or

(3) in respect of an existing or past default described in clause (4),
(5) or (6) of Section 501, which may be waived by the Holders of a majority in principal amount of all Outstanding Securities voting together as a single class.

The Company may, but shall not be obligated to, fix a record date for the purpose of determining the Persons entitled to waive any past default hereunder. If a record date is fixed, the Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to waive any default hereunder, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless such majority in principal amount shall have waived such default prior to the date which is the ninetieth day after such record date, any such waiver previously given shall automatically and without

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further action by any Holder be cancelled and of no further effect.

Upon any such waiver, such default shall cease to exist, and any Event of Default arising therefrom shall be deemed to have been cured, for every purpose of this Indenture; but no such waiver shall extend to any subsequent or other default or impair any right consequent thereon.

Section 514. Undertaking for Costs.

All parties to this Indenture agree, and each Holder of any Security by his acceptance thereof shall be deemed to have agreed, that any court may in its discretion require, in any suit for the enforcement of any right or remedy under this Indenture, or in any suit against the Trustee for any action taken, suffered or omitted by it as Trustee, the filing by any party litigant in such suit of an undertaking to pay the costs of such suit, and that such court may in its discretion assess reasonable costs, including reasonable attorneys' fees, against any party litigant in such suit, having due regard to the merits and good faith of the claims or defenses made by such party litigant; but the provisions of this Section shall not apply to any suit instituted by the Company, to any suit instituted by the Trustee, to any suit instituted by any Holder, or group of Holders, holding in the aggregate more than 10% in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of any series, or to any suit instituted by any Holder for the enforcement of the payment of the principal of (or premium, if any) or interest on any Security on or after the Stated Maturity or Maturities expressed in such Security (or, in the case of redemption, on or after the Redemption Date).

Section 515. Waiver of Stay or Extension Laws.

The Company covenants (to the extent that it may lawfully do so) that it will not at any time insist upon, or plead, or in any manner whatsoever claim or take the benefit or advantage of, any stay or extension law wherever enacted, now or at any time hereafter in force, which may affect the covenants or the performance of this Indenture; and the Company (to the extent that it may lawfully do so) hereby expressly waives all benefit or advantage of any such law and covenants that it will not

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hinder, delay or impede the execution of any power herein granted to the Trustee, but will suffer and permit the execution of every such power as though no such law had been enacted.

ARTICLE SIX

The Trustee

Section 601. Certain Duties and Responsibilities.

(a) Except during the continuance of an Event of Default,

(1) the Trustee undertakes to perform such duties and only such duties as are specifically set forth in this Indenture, and no implied covenants or obligations shall be read into this Indenture against the Trustee; and

(2) in the absence of bad faith on its part, the Trustee may conclusively rely, as to the truth of the statements and the correctness of the opinions expressed therein, upon certificates or opinions furnished to the Trustee and conforming to the requirements of this Indenture; but in the case of any such certificates or opinions which by any provision hereof are specifically required to be furnished to the Trustee, the Trustee shall be under a duty to examine the same to determine whether or not they conform to the requirements of this Indenture.

(b) In case an Event of Default has occurred and is continuing, the Trustee shall exercise such of the rights and powers vested in it by this Indenture, and use the same degree of care and skill in their exercise, as a prudent man would exercise or use under the circumstances in the conduct of his own affairs.

(c) No provision of this Indenture shall be construed to relieve the Trustee from liability for its own negligent action, its own negligent failure to act, or its own willful misconduct, except that

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(1) this Subsection shall not be construed to limit the effect of Subsection (a) of this Section;

(2) the Trustee shall not be liable for any error of judgment made in good faith by a Responsible Officer, unless it shall be proved that the Trustee was negligent in ascertaining the pertinent facts;

(3) the Trustee shall not be liable with respect to any action taken or omitted to be taken by it in good faith in accordance with the direction of the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the outstanding Securities of any series, determined as provided in Section 512, relating to the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Trustee, or exercising any trust or power conferred upon the Trustee, under this Indenture with respect to the Securities of such series; and

(4) no provision of this Indenture shall require the Trustee to expend or risk its own funds or otherwise incur any financial liability in the performance of any of its duties hereunder, or in the exercise of any of its rights or powers, if it shall have reasonable grounds for believing that repayment of such funds or adequate indemnity against such risk or liability is not reasonably assured to it.

(d) Whether or not therein expressly so provided, every provision of this Indenture relating to the conduct or affecting the liability of or affording protection to the Trustee shall be subject to the provisions of this Section.

Section 602. Notice of Defaults.

Within 90 days after the occurrence of any default hereunder with respect to the Securities of any series, the Trustee shall transmit by mail to all Holders of Securities of such series, as their names and addresses appear in the Security Register, notice of such default hereunder known to the Trustee, unless such default shall

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have been cured or waived; provided, however, that, except in the case of a default in the payment of the principal of (or premium, if any) or interest on any Security of such series or in the payment of any sinking fund installment with respect to Securities of such series, the Trustee shall be protected in withholding such notice if and so long as the board of directors, the executive committee or a trust committee of directors or Responsible Officers of the Trustee in good faith determine that the withholding of such notice is in the interest of the Holders of Securities of such series; and provided, further, that in the case of any default of the character specified in Section 501(4) with respect to Securities of such series, no such notice to Holders shall be given until at least 30 days after the occurrence thereof. For the purpose of this Section, the term "default" means any event which is, or after notice or lapse of time or both would become, an Event of Default with respect to Securities of such series.

Section 603. Certain Rights of Trustee.

Subject to the provisions of Section 601:

(a) the Trustee may conclusively rely and shall be fully protected in acting or refraining from acting upon any resolution, certificate, statement, instrument, opinion, report, notice, request, direction, consent, order, bond, debenture, note, other evidence of indebtedness or other paper or document believed by it to be genuine and to have been signed or presented by the proper party or parties;

(b) any request or direction of the Company mentioned herein shall be sufficiently evidenced by a Company Request or Company Order or as otherwise expressly provided herein and any resolution of the Board of Directors may be sufficiently evidenced by a Board Resolution;

(c) whenever in the administration of this Indenture the Trustee shall deem it desirable that a matter be proved or established prior to taking, suffering or omitting any action hereunder, the Trustee (unless other evidence be herein specifically prescribed) may, in the

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absence of bad faith on its part, conclusively rely upon an Officers' Certificate;

(d) the Trustee may consult with counsel and the written advice of such counsel or any Opinion of Counsel shall be full and complete authorization and protection in respect of any action taken, suffered or omitted by it hereunder in good faith and in reliance thereon;

(e) the Trustee shall be under no obligation to exercise any of the rights or powers vested in it by this Indenture at the request or direction of any of the Holders pursuant to this Indenture, unless such Holders shall have offered to the Trustee reasonable security or indemnity against the costs, expenses and liabilities which might be incurred by it in compliance with such request or direction;

(f) the Trustee shall not be bound to make any investigation into the facts or matters stated in any resolution, certificate, statement, instrument, opinion, report, notice, request, direction, consent, order, bond, debenture, note, other evidence of Indebtedness or other paper or document, but the Trustee, in its discretion, may make such further inquiry or investigation into such facts or matters as it may see fit, and, if the Trustee shall determine to make such further inquiry or investigation, it shall be entitled to examine the books, records and premises of the Company, personally or by agent or attorney;

(g) the Trustee may execute any of the trusts or powers hereunder or perform any duties hereunder either directly or by or through agents or attorneys and the Trustee shall not be responsible for any misconduct or negligence on the part of any agent or attorney appointed with due care by it hereunder;

(h) the Trustee shall not be liable for any action taken, suffered, or omitted to be taken by it in good faith and reasonably believed by it to be authorized or within the discretion or rights or powers conferred upon it by this Indenture; and

(i) the Trustee shall not be charged with knowledge of any default or Event of Default with respect to the Securities unless either (1) a Responsible Officer shall have actual knowledge of such default or Event of Default or (2)

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written notice of such default or Event of Default shall have been given to the Trustee by the Company or by any Holder of the Securities.

Section 604. Not Responsible for Recitals or Issuance of Securities.

The recitals contained herein and in the Securities, except the Trustee's certificates of authentication, shall be taken as the statements of the Company, and the Trustee or any Authenticating Agent assumes no responsibility for their correctness. The Trustee makes no representations as to the validity or sufficiency of this Indenture or of the Securities. The Trustee or any Authenticating Agent shall not be accountable for the use or application by the Company of Securities or the proceeds thereof.

Section 605. May Hold Securities.

The Trustee, any Authenticating Agent, any Paying Agent, any Security Registrar or any other agent of the Company, in its individual or any other capacity, may become the owner or pledgee of Securities and, subject to Sections 608 and 613, may otherwise deal with the Company with the same rights it would have if it were not Trustee, Authenticating Agent, Paying Agent, Security Registrar or such other agent.

Section 606. Money Held in Trust.

Money held by the Trustee in trust hereunder need not be segregated from other funds except to the extent required by law. The Trustee shall be under no liability for interest on any money received by it hereunder except as otherwise agreed with the Company.

Section 607. Compensation and Reimbursement.

The Company agrees

(1) to pay to the Trustee from time to time reasonable compensation for all services rendered by it hereunder (which compensation shall not be limited by any provision of law in regard to the compensation of a trustee of an express trust);

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(2) except as otherwise expressly provided herein, to reimburse the Trustee upon its request for all reasonable expenses, disbursements and advances incurred or made by the Trustee in accordance with any provision of this Indenture (including the reasonable compensation and the expenses and disbursements of its agents and counsel), except any such expense, disbursement or advance as may be attributable to its negligence or bad faith; and

(3) to indemnify the Trustee for, and to hold it harmless against, any loss, liability or expense incurred without negligence or bad faith on its part, arising out of or in connection with the acceptance or administration of the trust or trusts hereunder (including the reasonable compensation and the expenses and disbursements of its counsel), including the costs and expenses of defending itself against any claim or liability in connection with the exercise or performance of any of its powers or duties hereunder.

When the Trustee incurs expenses or renders services in connection with an Event of Default specified in Section 501(5) or 501(6), the expenses (including the reasonable charges and expenses of its counsel) and the compensation for the services are intended to constitute expenses of administration under any applicable Federal or State bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization, or other similar law.

To secure the Company's payment obligations in this Section 607, the Trustee shall have a lien prior to the Securities on all money or property held or collected by the Trustee, in its capacity as Trustee, except money or property held in trust to pay principal of, premium, if any, and interest on particular Securities.

The provisions of this Section 607 shall survive the resignation or removal of the Trustee and the termination of this Indenture.

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Section 608. Disqualification; Conflicting Interests.

The Trustee for the Securities of any series issued hereunder shall be subject to the provisions of Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act during the period of time provided for therein. In determining whether the Trustee has a conflicting interest as defined in Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act with respect to the Securities of any series, there shall be excluded this Indenture with respect to Securities of any particular series of Securities other than that series.

Nothing herein shall prevent the Trustee from filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission the application referred to in the second to last paragraph of Section 3(b) of the Trust Indenture Act.

Section 609. Corporate Trustee Required; Eligibility.

There shall at all times be a Trustee hereunder which shall be a corporation organized and doing business under the laws of the United States of America, any State thereof or the District of Columbia, authorized under such laws to exercise corporate trust powers, having a combined capital and surplus of at least $50,000,000. If such corporation publishes reports of condition at least annually, pursuant to law or to the requirements of said supervising or examining authority, then for the purposes of this Section, the combined capital and surplus of such corporation shall be deemed to be its combined capital and surplus as set forth in its most recent report of condition so published. If at any time the Trustee shall cease to be eligible in accordance with the provisions of this Section, it shall resign immediately in the manner and with the effect hereinafter specified in this Article.

Section 610. Resignation and Removal; Appointment of Successor.

(a) No resignation or removal of the Trustee and no appointment of a successor Trustee pursuant to this Article shall become effective until the acceptance of appointment by the successor Trustee in accordance with the applicable requirements of Section 611.

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(b) The Trustee may resign at any time with respect to the Securities of one or more series by giving written notice thereof to the Company. If the instrument of acceptance by a successor Trustee required by Section 611 shall not have been delivered to the Trustee within 30 days after the giving of such notice of resignation, the resigning Trustee may petition any court of competent jurisdiction for the appointment of a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of such series.

(c) The Trustee may be removed at any time with respect to the Securities of any series by Act of the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of such series, delivered to the Trustee and to the Company.

(d) If at any time:

(1) the Trustee shall fail to comply with Section 608(a) after written request therefor by the Company or by any Holder who has been a bona fide Holder of a Security for at least six months, or

(2) the Trustee shall cease to be eligible under Section 609 and shall fail to resign after written request thereof or by the Company or by any such Holder, or

(3) the Trustee shall become incapable of acting or shall be adjudged a bankrupt or insolvent or a receiver of the Trustee or of its property shall be appointed or any public officer shall take charge or control of the Trustee or of its property or affairs for the purpose of rehabilitation, conservation or liquidation,

then, in any such case, (i) the Company by a Board Resolution may remove the Trustee with respect to all securities, or (ii) subject to Section 514, any Holder who has been a bona fide Holder of a Security for at least six months may, on behalf of himself and all others similarly situated, petition any court of competent jurisdiction for the removal of the Trustee with respect to all Securities and the appointment of a successor Trustee or Trustees.

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(e) If the Trustee shall resign, be removed or become incapable of acting, or if a vacancy shall occur in the office of Trustee for any cause, with respect to the Securities of one or more series, the Company, by a Board Resolution, shall promptly appoint a successor Trustee or Trustees with respect to the Securities of that or those series (it being understood that any such successor Trustee may be appointed with respect to the Securities of one or more or all of such series and that at any time there shall be only one Trustee with respect to the Securities of any particular series) and shall comply with the applicable requirements of Section 611. If, within one year after such resignation, removal or incapability, or the occurrence of such vacancy, a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of any Series shall be appointed by Act of the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of such series delivered to the Company and the retiring Trustee, the successor Trustee so appointed shall, forthwith upon its acceptance of such appointment in accordance with the applicable requirements of Section 611, become the successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of such series and to that extent supersede the successor Trustee appointed by the Company. If no successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of any Series shall have been so appointed by the Company or the Holders and accepted appointment in the manner required by Section 611, any Holder who has been a bona fide Holder of a Security of such series for at least six months may, on behalf of himself and all others similarly situated, petition any court of competent jurisdiction for the appointment of a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of such series.

(f) The Company shall give notice of each resignation and each removal of the Trustee with respect to the Securities of any series and each appointment of a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of any series by mailing written notice of such event by first-class mail, postage prepaid, to all Holders of Securities of such series as their names and addresses appear in the Security Register. Each notice shall include the name of the successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of such series and the address of its Corporate Trust Office.

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Section 611. Acceptance of Appointment by Successor.

(a) In case of the appointment hereunder of a successor Trustee with respect to all Securities, every such successor Trustee so appointed shall execute, acknowledge and deliver to the Company and to the retiring Trustee an instrument accepting such appointment, and thereupon the resignation or removal of the retiring Trustee shall become effective and such successor Trustee, without any further act, deed or conveyance, shall become vested with all the rights, powers, trusts and duties of the retiring Trustee; but, on the request of the Company or the successor Trustee, such retiring Trustee shall, upon payment of its charges, execute and deliver an instrument transferring to such successor Trustee all the rights, powers and trusts of the retiring Trustee and shall duly assign, transfer and deliver to such successor Trustee all property and money held by such retiring Trustee hereunder.

(b) In case of the appointment hereunder of a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of one or more (but not all) series, the Company, the retiring Trustee and each successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of one or more series shall execute and deliver an indenture supplemental hereto wherein each successor Trustee shall accept such appointment and which (1) shall contain such provisions as shall be necessary or desirable to transfer and confirm to, and to vest in, each successor Trustee all the rights, powers, trusts and duties of the retiring Trustee with respect to the Securities of that or those series to which the appointment of such successor Trustee relates, (2) if the retiring Trustee is not retiring with respect to all Securities, shall contain such provisions as shall be deemed necessary or desirable to confirm that all the rights, powers, trusts and duties of the retiring Trustee with respect to the Securities of that or those series as to which the retiring Trustee is not retiring shall continue to be vested in the retiring Trustee, and
(3) shall add to or change any of the provisions of this Indenture as shall be necessary to provide for or facilitate the administration of the trusts hereunder by more than one Trustee, it being understood that nothing herein or in such supplemental indenture shall constitute such Trustees co-trustees of the same trust and that each such Trustee shall be trustee of a trust or

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trusts hereunder separate and apart from any trust or trusts hereunder administered by any other such Trustee; and upon the execution and delivery of such supplemental indenture the resignation or removal of the retiring Trustee shall become effective to the extent provided therein and each such successor Trustee, without any further act, deed or conveyance, shall become vested with all the rights, powers, trusts and duties of the retiring Trustee with respect to the Securities of that or those series to which the appointment of such successor Trustee relates; but, on request of the Company or any successor Trustee, such retiring Trustee shall duly assign, transfer and deliver to such successor Trustee all property and money held by such retiring Trustee hereunder with respect to the Securities of that or those series to which the appointment of such successor Trustee relates.

(c) Upon request of any such successor Trustee, the Company shall execute any and all instruments for more fully and certainly vesting in and confirming to such successor Trustee all such rights, powers and trusts referred to in paragraph (a) and (b) of this Section, as the case may be.

(d) No successor Trustee shall accept its appointment unless at the time of such acceptance such successor Trustee shall be qualified and eligible under this Article.

Section 612. Merger, Conversion, Consolidation or Succession to Business.

Any corporation into which the Trustee may be merged or converted or with which it may be consolidated, or any corporation resulting from any merger, conversion or consolidation to which the Trustee shall be a party, or any corporation succeeding to all or substantially all the corporate trust business of the Trustee, shall be the successor of the Trustee hereunder, provided such corporation shall be otherwise qualified and eligible under this Article, without the execution or filing of any paper or any further act on the part of any of the parties hereto. In case any Securities shall have been authenticated, but not delivered, by the Trustee then in office, any successor by merger, conversion or consolidation to such authenticating Trustee may adopt such authentication and deliver the Securities so authenticated with the same

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effect as if such successor Trustee had itself authenticated such Securities.

Section 613. Preferential Collection of Claims Against Company.

The Trustee shall comply with Section 311(a) of the Trust Indenture Act with respect to each series of Securities for which it is Trustee.

Section 614. Appointment of Authenticating Agent.

At any time when any of the Securities remain Outstanding the Company may appoint an Authenticating Agent or Agents with respect to one or more series of Securities which shall be authorized to act on behalf of the Trustee to authenticate Securities of such series issued upon exchange, registration of transfer or partial redemption thereof or pursuant to Section 306, and Securities so authenticated shall be entitled to the benefits of this Indenture and shall be valid and obligatory for all purposes as if authenticated by the Trustee hereunder. Wherever reference is made in this Indenture to the authentication and delivery of Securities by the Trustee or the Trustee's certificate of authentication, such reference shall be deemed to include authentication and delivery on behalf of the Trustee by an Authenticating Agent and a certificate of authentication executed on behalf of the Trustee by an Authenticating Agent. Each Authenticating Agent shall at all times be a corporation organized and doing business under the laws of the United States of America, any State thereof or the District of Columbia, authorized under such laws to act as Authenticating Agent, having a combined capital and surplus of not less than $50,000,000 and subject to supervision or examination by Federal or State authority. If such Authenticating Agent publishes reports of condition at least annually, pursuant to law or to the requirements of said supervising or examining authority, then for the purposes of this Section, the combined capital and surplus of such Authenticating Agent shall be deemed to be its combined capital and surplus as set forth in its most recent report of condition so published. If at any time an Authenticating Agent shall cease to be eligible in accordance with the provisions of this Section, such Authenticating Agent shall resign immediately in the manner and with the effect specified in this Section.

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Any corporation into which an Authenticating Agent may be merged or converted or with which it may be consolidated, or any corporation resulting from any merger, conversion or consolidation to which such Authenticating Agent shall be a party, or any corporation succeeding to the corporate agency or corporate trust business of an Authenticating Agent, shall continue to be an Authenticating Agent, provided such corporation shall be otherwise eligible under this Section, without the execution or filing of any paper or any further act on the part of the Trustee or the Authenticating Agent.

An Authenticating Agent may resign at any time by giving written notice thereof to the Trustee and to the Company. The Company may at any time terminate the agency of an Authenticating Agent by giving written notice thereof to such Authenticating Agent and to the Trustee. Upon receiving such a notice of resignation or upon such a termination, or in case at any time such Authenticating Agent shall cease to be eligible in accordance with the provisions of this Section, the Company may appoint a successor Authenticating Agent and shall mail written notice of such appointment by first-class mail, postage prepaid, to all Holders of Securities of the series with respect to which such Authenticating Agent will serve, as their names and addresses appear in the Security Register. Any successor Authenticating Agent upon acceptance of its appointment hereunder shall become vested with all the rights, powers and duties of its predecessor hereunder, with like effect as if originally named as an Authenticating Agent. No successor Authenticating Agent shall be appointed unless eligible under the provisions of this Section.

The Company agrees to pay to each Authenticating Agent from time to time reasonable compensation for its services under this Section.

If an appointment with respect to one or more series is made pursuant to this Section, the Securities of such series may have endorsed thereon, in addition to the Trustee's certificate of authentication, an alternate certificate of authentication in the following form:

This is one of the Securities of the series designated therein referred to in the within-mentioned Indenture.

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JPMORGAN CHASE BANK,
as Trustee

By_______________________
As Authenticating Agent

By_______________________
Authorized Officer

ARTICLE SEVEN

Holders' Lists and Reports by Trustee and Company

Section 701. Company to Furnish Trustee Names and Addresses of Holders.

The Company will furnish or cause to be furnished to the Trustee

(a) semi-annually, not later than June 30 and December 31 in each year, a list, in such form as the Trustee may reasonably require, of the names and addresses of the Holders as of the preceding June 15 or December 15, as the case may be, and

(b) at such other times as the Trustee may request in writing, within 30 days after the receipt by the Company of any such request, a list of similar form and content as of a date not more than 15 days prior to the time such list is furnished;

excluding from any such list names and addresses received by the Trustee in its capacity as Security Registrar; provided that the Company shall not be obligated to provide such a list of Holders at any time that such list would not differ from the last such list provided by the Company to the Trustee under this
Section 701.

Section 702. Preservation of Information; Communications to Holders.

(a) The Trustee shall preserve, in as current a form as is reasonably practicable, the names and addresses of Holders contained in the most recent list furnished to the Trustee as

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provided in Section 701 and the names and addresses of Holders received by the Trustee in its capacity as Security Registrar. The Trustee may destroy any list furnished to it as provided in Section 701 upon receipt of a new list so furnished.

(b) If three or more Holders (herein referred to as "applicants") apply in writing to the Trustee, and furnish the Trustee reasonable proof that each such applicant has owned a Security for a period of at least six months preceding the date of such application, and such application states that the applicants desire to communicate with the other Holders with respect to their rights under this Indenture or under the Securities and is accompanied by a copy of the form of proxy or other communication which such applicants propose to transmit, then the Trustee shall, within five business days after the receipt of such application, at its election, either

(i) afford such applicants access to the information preserved at the time by the Trustee in accordance with Section 702(a), or

(ii) inform such applicants as to the approximate number of Holders whose names and addresses appear in the information preserved at the time by the Trustee in accordance with Section 702(a), and as to the approximate cost of mailing to such Holders the form of proxy or other communication, if any, specified in such application.

If the Trustee shall elect not to afford such applicants access to such information, the Trustee shall, upon the written request of such applicants, mail to each Holder whose name and address appear in the information preserved at the time by the Trustee in accordance with Section 702(a) a copy of the form of proxy or other communication which is specified in such request, with reasonable promptness after a tender to the Trustee of the material to be mailed and of payment, or provision for the

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payment, of the reasonable expenses of mailing, unless within five days after such tender the Trustee shall mail to such applicants and file with the Commission, together with a copy of the material to be mailed, a written statement to the effect that, in the opinion of the Trustee, such mailing would be contrary to the best interest of the Holders or would be in violation of applicable law. Such written statement shall specify the basis of such opinion. If the Commission, after opportunity for a hearing upon the objections specified in the written statement so filed, shall enter an order refusing to sustain any of such objections or if, after the entry of an order sustaining one or more of such objections, the Commission shall find, after notice and opportunity for hearing, that all the objections so sustained have been met and shall enter an order so declaring, the Trustee shall mail copies of such material to all such Holders with reasonable promptness after the entry of such order and the renewal of such tender; otherwise the Trustee shall be relieved of any obligation or duty to such applicants respecting their application.

(c) Every Holder of Securities, by receiving and holding the same, agrees with the Company and the Trustee that neither the Company nor the Trustee nor any agent of either of them shall be held accountable by reason of the disclosure of any such information as to the names and addresses of the Holders in accordance with Section 702(b), regardless of the source from which such information was derived, and that the Trustee shall not be held accountable by reason of mailing any material pursuant to a request made under Section 702(b).

Section 703. Reports by Trustee.

(a) Within 60 days of each May 15, the Trustee shall transmit to Holders such reports concerning the Trustee and its actions under this Indenture as may be required pursuant to the Trust Indenture Act in the manner provided pursuant thereto.

(b) A copy of each such report shall, at time of such transmission to Holders, be filed by the Trustee with each stock exchange upon which the Securities are listed, with the Commission and with the Company. The Company will notify the Trustee when the Securities are listed on any stock exchange.

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Section 704. Reports by Company.

The Company shall:

(1) file with the Trustee, within 15 days after the Company is required to file the same with the Commission, copies of the annual reports and of the information, documents and other reports (or copies of such portions of any of the foregoing as the Commission may from time to time by rules and regulations prescribe) which the Company may be required to file with the Commission pursuant to Section 13 or Section 15(d) of the Exchange Act; or, if the Company is not required to file information, documents or reports pursuant to either of said Sections, then it shall file with the Trustee and the Commission, in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed from time to time by the Commission, such of the supplementary and periodic information, documents and reports which may be required pursuant to
Section 13 of the

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Exchange Act in respect of a security listed and registered on a national securities exchange as may be prescribed from time to time in such rules and regulations;

(2) file with the Trustee and the Commission, in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed from time to time by the Commission, such additional information, documents and reports with respect to compliance by the Company with the conditions and covenants of this Indenture as may be required from time to time by such rules and regulations; and

(3) transmit by mail to all Holders, as their names and addresses appear in the Security Register, within 30 days after the filing thereof with the Trustee, such summaries of any information, documents and reports required to be filed by the Company pursuant to paragraphs (1) and (2) of this Section as may be required by rules and regulations prescribed from time to time by the Commission.

ARTICLE EIGHT

Consolidation, Merger, Conveyance, Transfer or Lease

Section 801. Company May Consolidate, Etc., Only on Certain Terms.

The Company shall not consolidate with or merge into any other Person or convey, transfer or lease its properties and assets substantially as an entirety to any Person, and the Company shall not permit any Person to consolidate with or merge into the Company or convey, transfer or lease its properties and assets substantially as an entirety to the Company, unless:

(1) in case the Company shall consolidate with or merge into another Person or convey, transfer or lease its properties and assets substantially as an entirety to any Person, the Person formed by such consolidation or into which the Company is merged or the Person which acquires by conveyance or transfer, or which

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leases, the properties and assets of the Company substantially as an entirety shall be a corporation, partnership or trust organized and existing under the laws of the United States of America, any State thereof or the District of Columbia and shall expressly assume, by an indenture supplemental hereto, executed and delivered to the Trustee, in form satisfactory to the Trustee, the due and punctual payment of the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on all the Securities and the performance of every covenant of this Indenture on the part of the Company to be performed or observed;

(2) immediately after giving effect to such transaction and treating any indebtedness which becomes an obligation of the Company or a Subsidiary as a result of such transaction as having been incurred by the Company or such Subsidiary at the time of such transaction, no Event of Default, and no event which, after notice or lapse of time or both, would become an Event of Default, shall have happened and be continuing;

(3) if, as a result of any such consolidation or merger or such conveyance, transfer or lease, properties or assets of the Company would become subject to a mortgage, pledge, lien, security interest or other encumbrance which would not be permitted by this Indenture, the Company or such successor corporation or Person, as the case may be, shall take such steps as shall be necessary effectively to secure the Securities equally and ratably with (or prior to) all indebtedness secured thereby; and

(4) the Company has delivered to the Trustee an Officers' Certificate and an Opinion of Counsel, each stating that such consolidation, merger, conveyance, transfer or lease and, if a supplemental indenture is required in connection with such transaction, such supplemental indenture comply with this Article and that all

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conditions precedent herein provided for relating to such transaction have been complied with.

Section 802. Successor Person Substituted.

Upon any consolidation by the Company with or merger by the Company into any other Person or any conveyance, transfer or lease of the properties and assets of the Company substantially as an entirety in accordance with Section 801, the successor Person formed by such consolidation or into which the Company is merged or to which such conveyance, transfer or lease is made shall succeed to, and be substituted for, and may exercise every right and power of, the Company under this Indenture with the same effect as if such successor Person had been named as the Company herein, and thereafter, except in the case of a lease, the predecessor Person shall be relieved of all obligations and covenants under this Indenture and the Securities.

ARTICLE NINE

Supplemental Indentures

Section 901. Supplemental Indentures Without Consent of Holders.

Without the consent of any Holders, the Company, when authorized by a Board Resolution, and the Trustee, at any time and from time to time, may enter into one or more indentures supplemental hereto, in form satisfactory to the Trustee, for any of the following purposes:

(1) to evidence the succession of another Person to the Company and the assumption by any such successor of the covenants of the Company herein and in the Securities; or

(2) to add to the covenants of the Company for the benefit of the Holders of all or any series of Securities (and if such covenants are to be for the benefit of less than all series of Securities, stating that such covenants are expressly being included solely for the benefit of such series) or to surrender any right or power herein conferred upon the Company; or

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(3) to add any additional Events of Default; or

(4) to add to or change any of the provisions of this Indenture to such extent as shall be necessary to permit or facilitate the issuance of Securities in bearer form, registerable or not registerable as to principal, and with or without interest coupons, or to permit or facility the issuance of Securities in uncertificated form; or

(5) to change or eliminate any of the provisions of this Indenture, provided that any such change or elimination shall become effective only when there is no Security Outstanding of any series created prior to the execution of such supplemental indenture which is entitled to the benefit of such provision; or

(6) to establish the form or terms of Securities of any series as permitted by Sections 201 and 301; or

(7) to evidence and provide for the acceptance of appointment hereunder by a successor Trustee with respect to the Securities of one or more series and to add to or change any of the provisions of this Indenture as shall be necessary to provide for or facilitate the administration of the trusts hereunder by more than one Trustee, pursuant to the requirements of Section 611(b); or

(8) to add to or change any of the provisions of this Indenture with respect to any Securities that by their terms may be converted into securities or other property other than Securities of the same series and of like tenor, in order to permit or facilitate the issuance, payment or conversion of such Securities; or

(9) to qualify or maintain qualification of this Indenture under the Trust Indenture Act; or

(10) to cure any ambiguity, to correct or supplement any provision herein which may be inconsistent with any other provision herein, or to make any other provisions with respect to matters or questions arising under this

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Indenture, provided such action shall not adversely affect the interests of the Holders of Securities of any series in any material respect.

Section 902. Supplemental Indentures with Consent of Holders.

With the consent of the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities affected by such supplemental indenture voting together as a single class, by Act of said Holders delivered to the Company and the Trustee, the Company, when authorized by a Board Resolution, and the Trustee may enter into an indenture or indentures supplemental hereto for the purpose of adding any provisions to or changing in any manner or eliminating any of the provisions of this Indenture or of modifying in any manner the rights of the Holders of Securities of such series under this Indenture; provided, however, that no such supplemental indenture shall, without the consent of the Holder of each Outstanding Security affected thereby,

(1) change the Stated Maturity of the principal of, or any installment of principal of or interest on, any Security, or reduce the principal amount thereof or the rate of interest thereon or any premium payable upon the redemption thereof, or reduce the amount of the principal of an Original Issue Discount Security that would be due and payable upon a declaration of acceleration of the Maturity thereof pursuant to Section 502, or change any Place of Payment where, or the coin or currency in which, any Security or any premium or the interest thereon is payable, or impair the right to institute suit for the enforcement of any such payment on or after the Stated Maturity thereof (or, in the case of redemption, on or after the Redemption Date), or

(2) reduce the percentage in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities of any series, the consent of whose Holders is required for any such supplemental indenture, or the consent of whose Holders is required for any waiver (of compliance with certain provisions of this Indenture or certain defaults hereunder and

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their consequences) provided for in this Indenture, or

(3) modify any of the provisions of this Section, Section 513 or
Section 1006, except to increase any such percentage or to provide that certain other provisions of this Indenture cannot be modified or waived without the consent of the Holder of each Outstanding Security affected thereby, provided, however, that this clause shall not be deemed to require the consent of any Holder with respect to changes in the references to "the Trustee" and concomitant changes in this Section and Section 1006, or the deletion of this proviso, in accordance with the requirements of Sections 611(b) and 901(8).

A supplemental indenture which changes or eliminates any covenant or other provision of this Indenture which has expressly been included solely for the benefit of one or more particular series of Securities, or which modifies the rights of the Holders of Securities of such series with respect to such covenant or other provision, shall be deemed not to affect the rights under this Indenture of the Holders of Securities of any other series.

The Company may, but shall not be obligated to, fix a record date for the purpose of determining the Persons entitled to consent to any indenture supplemental hereto. If a record date is fixed, the Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to consent to such supplemental indenture, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless such consent shall have become effective by virtue of the requisite percentage having been obtained prior to the date which is the ninetieth day after such record date, any such consent previously given shall, automatically and without further action by any Holder, be cancelled and of no further effect.

It shall not be necessary for any Act of Holders under this
Section to approve the particular form of any proposed supplemental indenture, but it shall be sufficient if such Act shall approve the substance thereof.

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Section 903. Execution of Supplemental Indentures.

In executing, or accepting the additional trusts created by, any supplemental indenture permitted by this Article or the modifications thereby of the trusts created by this Indenture, the Trustee shall be entitled to receive, and (subject to Section 601) shall be fully protected in relying upon, in addition to the documents required by Section 102, an Opinion of Counsel stating that the execution of such supplemental indenture is authorized or permitted by this Indenture. The Trustee may, but shall not be obligated to, enter into any such supplemental indenture which affects the Trustee's own rights, duties or immunities under this Indenture or otherwise.

Section 904. Effect of Supplemental Indentures.

Upon the execution of any supplemental indenture under this Article, this Indenture shall be modified in accordance therewith, and such supplemental indenture shall form a part of this Indenture for all purposes; and every Holder of Securities theretofore or thereafter authenticated and delivered hereunder shall be bound thereby.

Section 905. Conformity with Trust Indenture Act.

Every supplemental indenture executed pursuant to this Article shall conform to the requirements of the Trust Indenture Act as then in effect.

Section 906. Reference in Securities to Supplemental Indentures.

Securities authenticated and delivered after the execution of any supplemental indenture pursuant to this Article may, and shall if required by the Trustee, bear a notation in form approved by the Trustee as to any matter provided for in such supplemental indenture. If the Company shall so determine, new Securities of any series so modified as to conform, in the opinion of the Trustee and the Company, to any such supplemental indenture may be prepared and executed by the Company and authenticated and delivered by the Trustee in exchange for Outstanding Securities of such series.

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ARTICLE TEN

Covenants

Section 1001. Payment of Principal, Premium and Interest.

The Company covenants and agrees for the benefit of each series of Securities that it will duly and punctually pay the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on the Securities of that series in accordance with the terms of the Securities and this Indenture.

Section 1002. Maintenance of Office or Agency.

The Company will maintain in each Place of Payment for any series of Securities an office or agency where Securities of that series may be presented or surrendered for payment, where Securities of that series may be surrendered for registration of transfer or exchange and where notices and demands to or upon the Company in respect of the Securities of that series and this Indenture may be served. The Company will give prompt written notice to the Trustee of the location, and any change in the location, of such office or agency. If at any time the Company shall fail to maintain any such required office or agency or shall fail to furnish the Trustee with the address thereof, such presentations, surrenders, notices and demands may be made or served at the Corporate Trust Office of the Trustee, and the Company hereby appoints the Trustee as its agent to receive all such presentations, surrenders, notices and demands.

The Company may also from time to time designate one or more other offices or agencies where the Securities of one or more series may be presented or surrendered for any or all such purposes and may from time to time rescind such designations; provided, however, that no such designation or rescission shall in any manner relieve the Company of its obligation to maintain an office or agency in each Place of Payment for Securities of any series for such purposes. The Company will give prompt written notice to the Trustee of any such designation or rescission and of any change in the location of any such other office or agency.

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Section 1003. Money for Securities Payments to Be Held in Trust.

If the Company shall at any time act as its own Paying Agent with respect to any series of Securities, it will, on or before each due date of the principal of (and premium, if any) or interest on any of the Securities of that series, segregate and hold in trust for the benefit of the Persons entitled thereto a sum sufficient to pay the principal (and premium, if any) or interest so becoming due until such sums shall be paid to such Persons or otherwise disposed of as herein provided and will promptly notify the Trustee of its action or failure so to act.

Whenever the Company shall have one or more Paying Agents for any series of Securities, it will, on or before each due date of the principal of (and premium, if any) or interest on any Securities of that series, deposit with a Paying Agent a sum sufficient to pay the principal (and premium, if any) or interest so becoming due, such sum to be held in trust for the benefit of the Persons entitled to such principal, premium or interest, and (unless such Paying Agent is the Trustee) the Company will promptly notify the Trustee of its action or failure so to act.

The Company will cause each Paying Agent for any series of Securities other than the Trustee to execute and deliver to the Trustee an instrument in which such Paying Agent shall agree with the Trustee, subject to the provisions of this Section, that such Paying Agent will:

(1) hold all sums held by it for the payment of the principal of (and premium, if any) or interest on Securities of that series in trust for the benefit of the Persons entitled thereto until such sums shall be paid to such Persons or otherwise disposed of as herein provided;

(2) give the Trustee notice of any default by the Company (or any other obligor upon the Securities of that series) in the making of any payment of principal (and premium, if any) or interest on the Securities of that series; and

(3) at any time during the continuance of any such default, upon the written request of the

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Trustee, forthwith pay to the Trustee all sums so held in trust by such Paying Agent.

The Company may at any time, for the purpose of obtaining the satisfaction and discharge of this Indenture or for any other purpose, pay, or by Company Order direct any Paying Agent to pay, to the Trustee all sums held in trust by the Company or such Paying Agent, such sums to be held by the Trustee upon the same trusts as those upon which such sums were held by the Company or such Paying Agent; and, upon such payment by any Paying Agent to the Trustee, such Paying Agent shall be released from all further liability with respect to such money.

Any money deposited with the Trustee or any Paying Agent, or then held by the Company, in trust for the payment of the principal of (and premium, if any) or interest on any Security of any series and remaining unclaimed for one year after such principal (and premium, if any) or interest has become due and payable shall be paid to the Company on Company Request, or (if then held by the Company) shall be discharged from such trust; and the Holder of such Security shall thereafter, as an unsecured general creditor, look only to the Company for payment thereof, and all liability of the Trustee or such Paying Agent with respect to such trust money, and all liability of the Company as trustee thereof, shall thereupon cease.

Section 1004. Corporate Existence.

Subject to Article Eight, the Company will do or cause to be done all things necessary to preserve and keep in full force and effect its corporate existence and all licenses and permits material to the normal conduct of its business; provided, however, that the Company shall not be required

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to preserve any such right or franchise if the Board of Directors shall determine that the preservation thereof is no longer desirable in the conduct of the business of the Company and that the loss thereof is not disadvantageous in any material respect to the Holders.

Section 1005. Statement by Officers as to Default.

The Company will deliver to the Trustee, within 120 days after the end of each fiscal year of the Company ending after the date hereof, an Officers' Certificate, stating whether or not to the best knowledge of the signers thereof the Company is in default in the performance and observance of any of the terms, provisions and conditions of Sections 1001 to 1006, inclusive, and if the Company shall be in default, specifying all such defaults and the nature and status thereof of which they may have knowledge.

Section 1006. Waiver of Certain Covenants.

The Company may omit in any particular instance to comply with any term, provision or condition set forth in Sections 1002 to 1005, inclusive, if before the time for such compliance the Holders of a majority in principal amount of the Outstanding Securities shall, by Act of such Holders, waive compliance in such instance with such term, provision or condition. In the event that there shall be included in this Indenture any covenant, other than a covenant to pay principal, premium (if any) and interest, solely for the benefit of one or more, but less than all, series of Securities, then, unless otherwise expressly provided with respect to such covenant, the Company may similarly omit in any particular instance to comply with any term, provision or condition of such covenant if before the time of such compliance the holders of a majority in principal amount of all Outstanding Securities entitled to the benefit of such covenant, by Act of such Holders, acting together as a single class, waive compliance in such instance with such term, provision or condition. No such waiver contemplated by this Section 1006 shall extend to or affect such term, provision or condition except to the extent so expressly waived, and, until such waiver shall become effective, the obligations of the Company and the duties of the Trustee in respect of any such term, provision or condition shall remain in full force and effect.

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The Company may, but shall not be obligated to, fix a record date for the purpose of determining the Persons entitled to waive any such term, provision or condition. If a record date is fixed, the Holders on such record date, or their duly designated proxies, and only such Persons, shall be entitled to waive any such term, provision or condition hereunder, whether or not such Holders remain Holders after such record date; provided, however, that unless the Holders of at least a majority in principal amount of (i) the Outstanding Securities or (ii) the Outstanding Securities of such series, as the case may be, shall have waived such term, provision or condition prior to the date which is 90 days after such record date, any such waiver previously given shall automatically and without further action by any Holder be cancelled and of no further effect.

ARTICLE ELEVEN

Subordination of Securities

Section 1101. Securities Subordinate to Senior Indebtedness.

The Company covenants and agrees, and each Holder of a Security, by his acceptance thereof, likewise covenants and agrees, that, to the extent and in the manner hereinafter set forth in this Article (subject to Article Four), the payment of the principal of and interest on each and all of the Securities are hereby expressly made subordinate and subject in right of payment to the prior payment in full in cash of all Senior Indebtedness.

This Article Eleven shall constitute a continuing offer to all persons who become holders of, or continue to hold, Senior Indebtedness, and such provisions are made for the benefit of the holders of Senior Indebtedness and such holders are made obligees hereunder and any one or more of them may enforce such provisions. Holders of Senior Indebtedness need not prove reliance on the subordination provisions hereof.

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Section 1102. Payment Over of Proceeds Upon Dissolution, Etc.

Upon any payment or distribution of assets of the Company to creditors upon (a) any insolvency or bankruptcy case or proceeding, or any receivership, liquidation, reorganization or other similar case or proceeding in connection therewith, relative to the Company or to its assets, or (b) any liquidation, dissolution or other winding up of the Company, whether voluntary or involuntary and whether or not involving insolvency or bankruptcy, or (c) any assignment for the benefit of creditors or any other marshalling of assets or liabilities of the Company, then and in any such event specified in (a), (b) or (c) above (each such event, if any, herein sometimes referred to as a "Proceeding");

(1) the holders of Senior Indebtedness shall be entitled to receive payment in full in cash of all amounts due on or to become due on or in respect of all Senior Indebtedness, before the Holders of the Securities are entitled to receive any payment or distribution of any kind or character whether in cash, property or securities (including any payment or distribution which may be payable or deliverable to Holders of the Securities made in respect of any other Indebtedness of the Company subordinated to the payment of the Securities, such payment or distribution being hereinafter referred to as a "Junior Subordinated Payment"), on account of the principal of or interest on the Securities or on account of any purchase, redemption or other acquisition of Securities by the Company, any Subsidiary of the Company, the Trustee or any Paying Agent (all such payments, distributions, purchases, redemptions and acquisitions, whether or not in connection with a Proceeding, herein referred to, individually and collectively, as a "Securities Payment"); and

(2) any payment or distribution of assets of the Company of any kind or character, whether in cash, property or securities, by set-off or otherwise, to which the Holders of the Securities or the Trustee would be entitled but for the

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provisions of this Article (including, without limitation, any Junior Subordinated Payment) shall be paid by the liquidating trustee or agent or other Person making such payment or distribution, whether a trustee in bankruptcy, a receiver or liquidating trustee or otherwise, directly to the holders of Senior Indebtedness or their representative or representatives or to the trustee or trustees under any indenture under which any instruments evidencing any of such Senior Indebtedness may have been issued, ratably according to the aggregate amounts remaining unpaid on account of the Senior Indebtedness held or represented by each, to the extent necessary to make payment in full in cash of all Senior Indebtedness remaining unpaid, after giving effect to any concurrent payment to the holders of such Senior Indebtedness.

In the event that, notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this Section, the Trustee or the Holder of any Security shall have received in connection with any Proceeding any Securities Payment before all Senior Indebtedness is paid in full or payment thereof provided for in cash, then and in such event such Securities Payment shall be paid over or delivered forthwith to the trustee in bankruptcy, receiver, liquidating trustee, custodian, assignee, agent or other Person making payment or distribution of assets of the Company for application to the payment of all Senior Indebtedness remaining unpaid, to the extent necessary to pay all Senior Indebtedness in full in cash after giving effect to any concurrent payment to or for the holders of Senior Indebtedness.

For purposes of this Article only, the words "any payment or distribution of any kind or character, whether in cash, property or securities" shall not be deemed to include a payment or distribution of stock or securities of the Company provided for by a plan of reorganization or readjustment authorized by an order or decree of a court of competent jurisdiction in a reorganization proceeding under any applicable bankruptcy law or of any other corporation provided for by such plan of reorganization or readjustment which stock or securities are subordinated in right of payment to all then outstanding Senior Indebtedness to substantially the same extent, or to a greater extent than,

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the Securities are so subordinated as provided in this Article. The consolidation of the Company with, or the merger of the Company into, another Person or the liquidation or dissolution of the Company following the conveyance or transfer of all or substantially all of its properties and assets as an entirety to another Person upon the terms and conditions set forth in Article Eight shall not be deemed a Proceeding for the purposes of this Section if the Person formed by such consolidation or into which the Company is merged or the Person which acquires by conveyance or transfer such properties and assets as an entirety, as the case may be, shall, as a part of such consolidation, merger, conveyance or transfer, comply with the conditions set forth in Article Eight.

Section 1103. No Payment When Senior Indebtedness in Default.

In the event that any Senior Payment Default (as defined below) shall have occurred, then no Securities Payment shall be made, nor shall any property of the Company or any Subsidiary of the Company be applied to the purchase, acquisition, retirement or redemption of the Securities, unless and until such Senior Payment Default shall have been cured or waived in writing or shall have ceased to exist or all amounts then due and payable in respect of such Senior Indebtedness (including amounts that have become and remain due by acceleration) shall have been paid in full in cash. "Senior Payment Default" means any default in the payment of principal of (or premium, if any) or interest on any Senior Indebtedness when due, whether at the Stated Maturity of any such payment or by declaration of acceleration, call for redemption, mandatory payment or prepayment or otherwise.

In the event that any Senior Nonmonetary Default (as defined below) shall have occurred and be continuing, then, upon the receipt by the Company and the Trustee of written notice of such Senior Nonmonetary Default from the holder of such Senior Indebtedness (or the agent, trustee or representative thereof), no Securities Payment shall be made, nor shall any property of the Company or any Subsidiary of the Company be applied to the purchase, acquisition, retirement or redemption of the Securities, during the period (the "Payment Blockage Period") commencing on the date of such receipt of such written

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notice and ending (subject to any blockage of payments that may then or thereafter be in effect as the result of any Senior Payment Default) on the earlier of (i) the date on which the Senior Indebtedness to which such Senior Nonmonetary Default relates is discharged or such Senior Nonmonetary Default shall have been cured or waived in writing or shall have ceased to exist and any acceleration of Senior Indebtedness to which such Senior Nonmonetary Default relates shall have been rescinded or annulled or (ii) the 179th day after the date of such receipt of such written notice. No more than one Payment Blockage Period may be commenced with respect to the Securities during any period of 360 consecutive days and there shall be a period of at least 181 consecutive days in each period of 360 consecutive days when no Payment Blockage Period is in effect. Following the commencement of any Payment Blockage Period, the holders of any Senior Indebtedness will be precluded from commencing a subsequent Payment Blockage Period until the conditions set forth in the preceding sentence are satisfied. For all purposes of this paragraph, no Senior Nonmonetary Default that existed or was continuing on the date of commencement of any Payment Blockage Period with respect to the Senior Indebtedness initiating such Payment Blockage Period shall be, or be made, the basis for the commencement of a subsequent Payment Blockage Period by holders of Senior Indebtedness or their representatives unless such Senior Nonmonetary Default shall have been cured for a period of not less than 90 consecutive days. "Senior Nonmonetary Default" means the occurrence or existence and continuance of any default (other than a Senior Payment Default) or any event which, after notice or lapse of time (or both), would become an Event of Default (other than a Senior Payment Default), under the terms of any instrument or agreement pursuant to which any Senior Indebtedness is outstanding, permitting (after notice or lapse of time or both) one or more holders of such Senior Indebtedness (or a trustee or agent on behalf of the holders thereof) to declare such Senior Indebtedness due and payable prior to the date on which it would otherwise become due and payable.

In the event that, notwithstanding the foregoing, the Company shall make any payment to the Trustee or the Holder of any Security prohibited by the foregoing provisions of this Section, and if such fact shall, at or prior to the time of such payment, have been made known to

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the Trustee or, as the case may be, such Holder, then and in such event such payment shall be paid over and delivered forthwith to the Company.

The provisions of this Section shall not apply to any Securities Payment with respect to which Section 1102 hereof would be applicable.

Section 1104. Payment Permitted If No Default.

Nothing contained in this Article or elsewhere in this Indenture or in any of the Securities shall prevent the Company, at any time except during the pendency of any Proceeding referred to in Section 1102 hereof or under the conditions described in Section 1103 hereof, from making Securities Payments.

Section 1105. Subrogation to Rights of Holders of Senior Indebtedness.

Subject to the payment in full in cash of all Senior Indebtedness, the Holders of the Securities shall be subrogated (equally and ratably with the holders of all indebtedness of the Company which by its express terms is subordinated to indebtedness of the Company to substantially the same extent as the Securities are subordinated and is entitled to like rights of subrogation) to the rights of the holders of such Senior Indebtedness to receive payments and distributions of cash, property and securities applicable to the Senior Indebtedness until the principal of and interest on the Securities shall be paid in full. For purposes of such subrogation, no payments or distributions to the holders of the Senior Indebtedness of any cash, property or securities to which the Holders of the Securities or the Trustee would be entitled except for the provisions of this Article, and no payments over pursuant to the provisions of this Article to the holders of Senior Indebtedness by Holders of the Securities or the Trustee, shall, as among the Company, its creditors other than holders of Senior Indebtedness and the Holders of the Securities, be deemed to be a payment or distribution by the Company to or on account of the Senior Indebtedness.

Section 1106. Provisions Solely to Define Relative Rights.

The provisions of this Article are and are intended solely for the purpose of defining the relative

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rights of the Holders on the one hand and the holders of Senior Indebtedness on the other hand. Nothing contained in this Article or elsewhere in this Indenture or in the Securities is intended to or shall (a) impair, as among the Company, its creditors other than holders of Senior Indebtedness and the Holders of the Securities, the obligation of the Company, which is absolute and unconditional (and which, subject to the rights under this Article of the holders of Senior Indebtedness, is intended to rank equally with all other general obligations of the Company), to pay to the Holders of the Securities the principal of and interest on the Securities as and when the same shall become due and payable in accordance with their terms; or (b) affect the relative rights against the Company of the Holders of the Securities and creditors of the Company other than the holders of Senior Indebtedness; or (c) prevent the Trustee or the Holder of any Security from exercising all remedies otherwise permitted by applicable law upon default under this Indenture, subject to the rights, if any, under this Article of the holders of Senior Indebtedness to receive cash, property and securities otherwise payable or deliverable to the Trustee or such Holder.

Section 1107. Trustee to Effectuate Subordination.

Each Holder of a Security by his acceptance thereof authorizes and directs the Trustee on his behalf to take such action as may be necessary or appropriate to effectuate the subordination provided in this Article and appoints the Trustee his attorney-in-fact for any and all such purposes, including, in the event of any dissolution, winding-up, liquidation or reorganization of the Company whether in bankruptcy, insolvency, receivership proceedings, or otherwise, the timely filing of a claim for the unpaid balance of the Indebtedness of the Company owing to such Holder in the form required in such proceedings and the causing of such claim to be approved. If the Trustee does not file a proper claim at least 30 days before the expiration of the time to file such claim, then the holders of the Senior Indebtedness and their agents, trustees or other representatives are authorized to do so (but shall in no event be liable for any failure to do so) for and on behalf of the Holders of the Securities.

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Section 1108. No Waiver of Subordination Provisions.

No right of any present or future holder of any Senior Indebtedness to enforce subordination as herein provided shall at any time in any way be prejudiced or impaired by any act or failure to act on the part of the Company or by any act or failure to act, in good faith, by any such holder, or by any noncompliance by the Company with the terms, provisions and covenants of this Indenture, regardless of any knowledge thereof any such holder may have or be otherwise charged with.

Without in any way limiting the generality of the foregoing paragraph, the holders of Senior Indebtedness may, at any time and from time to time, without the consent of or notice to the Trustee or the Holders of the Securities, without incurring responsibility to the Holders of the Securities and without impairing or releasing the subordination provided in this Article or the obligations hereunder of the Holders of the Securities to the holders of Senior Indebtedness, do any one or more of the following: (i) change the manner, place or terms of payment or extend the time of payment of, or renew or alter, Senior Indebtedness, or otherwise amend or supplement in any manner Senior Indebtedness or any instrument evidencing the same or any agreement under which Senior Indebtedness is outstanding; (ii) permit the Company to borrow, repay and then reborrow any or all of the Senior Indebtedness; (iii) sell, exchange, release or otherwise deal with any property pledged, mortgaged or otherwise securing Senior Indebtedness; (iv) release any Person liable in any manner for the collection of Senior Indebtedness; (v) exercise or refrain from exercising any rights against the Company and any other Person; and (vi) apply any sums received by them to Senior Indebtedness.

Section 1109. Notice to Trustee.

The Company shall give prompt written notice to the Trustee of any fact known to the Company which would prohibit the making of any payment to or by the Trustee in respect of the Securities. Notwithstanding the provisions of this Article or any other provision of this Indenture, the Trustee shall not be charged with knowledge of the existence of any facts which would prohibit the making of any payment to or by the Trustee in respect of the Securities, unless and until a Responsible Officer of the

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Trustee shall have received written notice thereof from the Company, any holder of Senior Indebtedness or from any trustee, fiduciary or agent therefor; and, prior to the receipt of any such written notice, the Trustee, subject to the provisions of Section 601 hereof, shall be entitled in all respects to assume that no such facts exist; provided, however, that if the Trustee shall not have received the notice provided for in this Section at least three Business Days prior to the date upon which by the terms hereof any money may become payable for any purpose (including, without limitation, the payment of the principal of or interest on any Security), then, anything herein contained to the contrary notwithstanding, but without limiting the rights and remedies of the holders of Senior Indebtedness or any trustee, fiduciary or agent therefor, the Trustee shall have full power and authority to receive such money and to apply the same to the purpose for which such money was received and shall not be affected by any notice to the contrary which may be received by it within two Business Days prior to such date. Any notice required or permitted to be given to the Trustee by a holder of Senior Indebtedness or by any agent, trustee or representative thereof shall be in writing and shall be sufficient for every purpose hereunder if in writing and either (i) sent via facsimile to the Trustee, the receipt of which shall be confirmed via telephone, or (ii) mailed, first class postage prepaid, or sent by overnight carrier, to the Trustee addressed to its Corporate Trust Office or to any other address furnished in writing to such holder of Senior Indebtedness by the Trustee.

Subject to the provisions of Section 601 hereof, the Trustee shall be entitled to rely on the delivery to it of a written notice by a Person representing himself to be a holder of Senior Indebtedness (or a trustee, fiduciary or agent therefor to establish that such notice has been given by a holder of Senior Indebtedness or a trustee, fiduciary or agent therefor). In the event that the Trustee determines in good faith that further evidence is required with respect to the right of any Person as a holder of Senior Indebtedness to participate in any payment or

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distribution pursuant to this Article, the Trustee may request such Person to furnish evidence to the reasonable satisfaction of the Trustee as to the amount of Senior Indebtedness held by such Person, the extent to which such Person is entitled to participate in such payment or distribution and any other facts pertinent to the rights of such Person under this Article, and if such evidence is not furnished, the Trustee may defer any payment to such Person pending judicial determination as to the right of such Person to receive such payment.

Notwithstanding anything else contained herein, no notice, request or other communication to or with the Trustee shall be deemed given unless received by a Responsible Officer at the Corporate Trust Office.

Section 1110. Reliance on Judicial Order or Certificate of Liquidating Agent.

Upon any payment or distribution of assets of the Company referred to in this Article, the Trustee, subject to the provisions of Section 601 hereof, and the Holders of the Securities shall be entitled to rely upon any order or decree entered by any court of competent jurisdiction in which such Proceeding is pending, or a certificate of the trustee in bankruptcy, receiver, liquidating trustee, custodian, assignee for the benefit of creditors, agent or other Person making such payment or distribution, delivered to the Trustee or to the Holders of Securities, for the purpose of ascertaining the Persons entitled to participate in such payment or distribution, the holders of the Senior Indebtedness and other Indebtedness of the Company, the amount thereof or payable thereon, the amount or amounts paid or distributed thereon and all other facts pertinent thereto or to this Article, provided that the foregoing shall apply only if such court has been apprised of the provisions of this Article.

Section 1111. Trustee Not Fiduciary for Holders of Senior Indebtedness.

The Trustee shall not be deemed to owe any fiduciary duty to the holders of Senior Indebtedness and shall not be liable to any such holders if it shall in good faith mistakenly pay over or distribute to Holders of Securities or to the Company or to any other Person cash, property or securities to which any holders of Senior Indebtedness shall be entitled by virtue of this Article or otherwise.

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Section 1112. Rights of Trustee as Holder of Senior Indebtedness; Preservation of Trustee's Rights.

The Trustee in its individual capacity shall be entitled to all the rights set forth in this Article with respect to any Senior Indebtedness which may at any time be held by it, to the same extent as any other holder of Senior Indebtedness, and nothing in this Indenture shall deprive the Trustee of any of its rights as such holder.

Nothing in this Article shall apply to claims of, or payments to, the Trustee under or pursuant to Section 607 hereof.

Section 1113. Article Applicable to Paying Agents.

In case at any time any Paying Agent other than the Trustee shall have been appointed by the Company and be then acting hereunder, the term "Trustee" as used in this Article shall in such case (unless the context otherwise requires) be construed as extending to and including such Paying Agent within its meaning as fully for all intents and purposes as if such Paying Agent were named in this Article in addition to or in place of the Trustee; provided, however, that Section 1111 hereof shall not apply to the Company or any Affiliate of the Company if it or such Affiliate acts as Paying Agent.

ARTICLE TWELVE

Redemption of Securities

Section 1201. Applicability of Article.

Securities of any series which are redeemable before their Stated Maturity shall be redeemable in accordance with their terms and (except as otherwise specified as contemplated by Section 301 for Securities of any series) in accordance with this Article.

Section 1202. Election to Redeem; Notice to Trustee.

The election of the Company to redeem any Securities shall be evidenced by a Board Resolution. In case of any redemption at the election of the Company of

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less than all the Securities of any series, the Company shall, at least 60 days prior to the Redemption Date fixed by the Company (unless a shorter notice shall be satisfactory to the Trustee), notify the Trustee of such Redemption Date and of the principal amount of Securities of such series to be redeemed. In the case of any redemption of Securities prior to the expiration of any restriction on such redemption provided in the terms of such Securities or elsewhere in this Indenture, the Company shall furnish the Trustee with an Officers' Certificate evidencing compliance with such restriction.

Section 1203. Selection by Trustee of Securities to Be Redeemed.

If less than all the Securities of any series are to be redeemed, the particular Securities to be redeemed shall be selected not more than 60 days prior to the Redemption Date by the Trustee, from the Outstanding Securities of such series not previously called for redemption, by such method as the Trustee shall deem fair and appropriate and which may provide for the selection for redemption of portions (equal to the minimum authorized denomination for Securities of that series or any integral multiple thereof) of the principal amount of Securities of such series of a denomination larger than the minimum authorized denomination for Securities of that series.

The Trustee shall promptly notify the Company in writing of the Securities selected for redemption and, in the case of any Securities selected for partial redemption, the principal amount thereof to be redeemed.

For all purposes of this Indenture, unless the context otherwise requires, all provisions relating to the redemption of Securities shall relate, in the case of any Securities redeemed or to be redeemed only in part, to the portion of the principal amount of such Securities which has been or is to be redeemed.

Section 1204. Notice of Redemption.

Notice of redemption shall be given by first-class mail, postage prepaid, mailed not less than 30 nor more than 60 days prior to the Redemption Date, to each Holder of Securities to be redeemed, at his address appearing in the Security Register.

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All notices of redemption shall state:

(1) the Redemption Date,

(2) the Redemption Price,

(3) if less than all the outstanding Securities of any series are to be redeemed, the identification (and, in the case of partial redemption, the principal amounts) of the particular Securities to be redeemed,

(4) that on the Redemption Date the Redemption Price will become due and payable upon each such Security to be redeemed and, if applicable, that interest thereon will cease to accrue on and after said date,

(5) the place or places where such Securities are to be surrendered for payment of the Redemption Price, and

(6) that the redemption is for a sinking fund, if such is the case.

Notice of redemption of Securities to be redeemed at the election of the Company shall be given by the Company or, at the Company's request, by the Trustee in the name and at the expense of the Company.

Section 1205. Deposit of Redemption Price.

On or prior to 10:00 a.m., New York City time, on any Redemption Date, the Company shall deposit with the Trustee or with a Paying Agent (or, if the Company is acting as its own Paying Agent, segregate and hold in trust as provided in Section 1003) an amount of money sufficient to pay the Redemption Price of, and (except if the Redemption Date shall be an Interest Payment Date) accrued interest on, all the Securities which are to be redeemed on that date.

Section 1206. Securities Payable on Redemption Date.

Notice of redemption having been given as aforesaid, the Securities so to be redeemed shall, on the Redemption Date, become due and payable at the Redemption Price therein specified, and from and after such date (unless the Company shall default in the payment of the Redemption

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Price and accrued interest) such Securities shall cease to bear interest. Upon surrender of any such Security for redemption in accordance with said notice, such Security shall be paid by the Company at the Redemption Price, together with accrued interest to the Redemption Date; provided, however, that installments of interest whose Stated Maturity is on or prior to the Redemption Date shall be payable to the Holders of such Securities, or one or more Predecessor Securities, registered as such at the close of business on the relevant Record Dates according to their terms and the provisions of Section 307.

If any Security called for redemption shall not be so paid upon surrender thereof for redemption, the principal (and premium, if any) shall, until paid, bear interest from the Redemption Date at the rate prescribed therefor in the Security.

Section 1207. Securities Redeemed in Part.

Any Security which is to be redeemed only in part shall be surrendered at a Place of Payment therefor (with, if the Company or the Trustee so requires, due endorsement by, or a written instrument of transfer in form satisfactory to the Company and the Trustee duly executed by, the Holder thereof or his attorney duly authorized in writing), and the Company shall execute, and the Trustee shall authenticate and deliver to the Holder of such Security without service charge, a new Security or Securities of the same series and of like tenor, of any authorized denomination as requested by such Holder, in aggregate principal amount equal to and in exchange for the unredeemed portion of the principal of the Security so surrendered.

ARTICLE THIRTEEN

Sinking Funds

Section 1301. Applicability of Article.

The provisions of this Article shall be applicable to any sinking fund for the retirement of

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Securities of a series except as otherwise specified as contemplated by Section 301 for Securities of such series.

The minimum amount of any sinking fund payment provided for by the terms of Securities of any series is herein referred to as a "mandatory sinking fund payment", and any payment in excess of such minimum amount provided for by the terms of Securities of any series is herein referred to as an "optional sinking fund payment". If provided for by the terms of Securities of any series, the cash amount of any sinking fund payment may be subject to reduction as provided in Section 1302. Each sinking fund payment shall be applied to the redemption of Securities of any series as provided for by the terms of Securities of such series.

Section 1302. Satisfaction of Sinking Fund Payments with Securities.

The Company (1) may deliver Outstanding Securities of a series (other than any previously called for redemption) and (2) may apply as a credit Securities of a series which have been redeemed either at the election of the Company pursuant to the terms of such Securities or through the application of permitted optional sinking fund payments pursuant to the terms of such Securities, in each case in satisfaction of all or any part of any sinking fund payment with respect to the Securities of such series required to be made pursuant to the terms of such Securities as provided for by the terms of such series; provided that such Securities have not been previously so credited. Such Securities shall be received and credited for such purpose by the Trustee at the Redemption Price specified in such Securities for redemption through operation of the sinking fund and the amount of such sinking fund payment shall be reduced accordingly.

Section 1303. Redemption of Securities for Sinking Fund.

Not less than 90 days prior to each sinking fund payment date for any series of Securities, the Company will deliver to the Trustee an Officers' Certificate specifying the amount of the next ensuing sinking fund payment for that series pursuant to the terms of that series, the portion thereof, if any, which is to be satisfied by payment of cash and the portion thereof, if any, which is to be satisfied by delivering and crediting Securities of that series

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pursuant to Section 1302 and will also deliver to the Trustee any Securities to be so delivered. Not less than 60 days before each such sinking fund payment date the Trustee shall select the Securities to be redeemed upon such sinking fund payment date in the manner specified in Section 1203 and cause notice of the redemption thereof to be given in the name of and at the expense of the Company in the manner provided in Section 1204. Such notice having been duly given, the redemption of such Securities shall be made upon the terms and in the manner stated in Sections 1206 and 1207.

ARTICLE FOURTEEN

Defeasance and Covenant Defeasance

Section 1401. Applicability of Article; Company's Option to Effect Defeasance or Covenant Defeasance.

If pursuant to Section 301 provision is made for either or both of (a) defeasance of the Securities of a series under Section 1402 or (b) covenant defeasance of the Securities of a series under Section 1403, then the provisions of such Section or Sections, as the case may be, together with the other provisions of this Article Fourteen, shall be applicable to the Securities of such series, and the Company may at its option by Board Resolution, at any time, with respect to the Securities of such series, elect to have either Section 1402 (if applicable) or Section 1403 (if applicable) be applied to the Outstanding Securities of such series upon compliance with the conditions set forth below in this Article Fourteen.

Section 1402. Defeasance and Discharge.

Upon the Company's exercise of the above option applicable to this Section, the Company shall be deemed to have been discharged from its obligations with respect to the Outstanding Securities of such series, and the provisions of Article Eleven shall cease to be effective, on and after the date the conditions precedent set forth below are satisfied (hereinafter, "defeasance"). For this purpose, such defeasance means that the Company shall be deemed to have paid and discharged the entire indebtedness represented by the Outstanding Securities of such series

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and to have satisfied all its other obligations under such Securities and this Indenture insofar as such Securities are concerned (and the Trustee, at the expense of the Company, shall execute proper instruments acknowledging the same), except for the following which shall survive until otherwise terminated or discharged hereunder: (A) the rights of Holders of Outstanding Securities of such series to receive, solely from the trust fund described in Section 1404 as more fully set forth in such Section, payments of the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on such Securities when such payments are due, (B) the Company's obligations with respect to such Securities under Sections 304, 305, 306, 1002 and 1003 and such obligations as shall be ancillary thereto, (C) the rights, powers, trusts, duties, immunities and other provisions in respect of the Trustee hereunder and (D) this Article Fourteen. Subject to compliance with this Article Fourteen, the Company may exercise its option under this Section 1402 notwithstanding the prior exercise of its option under Section 1403 with respect to the Securities of such series. Following a defeasance, payment of the Securities of such series may not be accelerated because of an Event of Default.

Section 1403. Covenant Defeasance.

Upon the Company's exercise of the above option applicable to this Section, the Company shall be released from its obligations under (i) the occurrence of an event specified in Section 501(4) shall not be deemed an Event of Default,(ii) the provisions of Article Eleven shall cease to be effective and
(iii) any other section, clause or provision applicable to such Securities that are determined pursuant to Section 301 to be subject to this provision with respect to the Outstanding Securities of such series on and after the date the conditions precedent set forth below are satisfied (hereinafter, "covenant defeasance"). For this purpose, such covenant defeasance means that, with respect to the Outstanding Securities of such series, the Company may omit to comply with and shall have no liability in respect of any term, condition or limitation set forth in any such Section, Clause or Article whether directly or indirectly by reason of any reference elsewhere herein to any such Section, Clause or Article or by reason of any reference in any such Section, Clause or Article to any other provision herein or in any other document, but the remainder of this Indenture and such Securities shall be

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unaffected thereby. Following a covenant defeasance, payment of the Securities of such series may not be accelerated because of or by reference to the Sections specified above in this Section 1403.

Section 1404. Conditions to Defeasance or Covenant Defeasance.

The following shall be the conditions precedent to application of either Section 1402 or Section 1403 to the Outstanding Securities of such series:

(1) the Company shall irrevocably have deposited or caused to be deposited with the Trustee (or another trustee satisfying the requirements of Section 609 who shall agree to comply with the provisions of this Article Fourteen applicable to it) as trust funds in trust for the purpose of making the following payments, specifically pledged as security for, and dedicated solely to, the benefit of the Holders of such Securities, (A) money in an amount, or (B) U.S. Government Obligations which through the scheduled payment of principal and interest in respect thereof in accordance with their terms will provide, not later than one day before the due date of any payment, money in an amount, or (C) a combination thereof, sufficient, without reinvestment, in the opinion of a nationally recognized firm of independent public accountants expressed in a written certification thereof delivered to the Trustee, to pay and discharge, and which shall be applied by the Trustee (or other qualifying trustee) to pay and discharge,
(i) the principal of (and premium, if any) and interest on the Outstanding Securities of such series to maturity or redemption, as the case may be, and (ii) any mandatory sinking fund payments or analogous payments applicable to the Outstanding Securities of such series on the due dates thereof. Before such a deposit the Company may make arrangements satisfactory to the Trustee for the redemption of Securities at a future date or dates in accordance with Article Eleven, which shall be given effect in applying the foregoing. For this purpose, "U.S. Government Obligations"

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means securities that are (x) direct obligations of the United States of America for the payment of which its full faith and credit is pledged or
(y) obligations of a Person controlled or supervised by and acting as an agency or instrumentality of the United States of America the payment of which is unconditionally guaranteed as a full faith and credit obligation by the United States of America, which, in either case, are not callable or redeemable at the option of the issuer thereof, and shall also include a depository receipt issued by a bank (as defined in Section 3(a)(2) of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended) as custodian with respect to any such U.S. Government Obligation or a specific payment of principal of or interest on any such U.S. Government Obligation held by such custodian for the account of the holder of such depository receipt, provided that (except as required by law) such custodian is not authorized to make any deduction from the amount payable to the holder of such depository receipt from any amount received by the custodian in respect of the U.S. Government Obligation or the specific payment of principal of or interest on the U.S. Government Obligation evidenced by such depository receipt.

(2) No Event of Default or event which with notice or lapse of time or both would become an Event of Default with respect to the Securities of such series shall have occurred and be continuing (A) on the date of such deposit or (B) insofar as subsections 501(5) and (6) are concerned, at any time during the period ending on the 121st day after the date of such deposit or, if longer, ending on the day following the expiration of the longest preference period applicable to the Company in respect of such deposit (it being understood that the condition in this clause (B) is a condition subsequent and shall not be deemed satisfied until the expiration of such period).

(3) Such defeasance or covenant defeasance shall not (A) cause the Trustee for the Securities of such series to have a conflicting

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interest as defined in Section 608 or for purposes of the Trust Indenture Act with respect to any securities of the Company or (B) result in the trust arising from such deposit to constitute, unless it is qualified as, a regulated investment company under the Investment Company Act of 1940, as amended.

(4) Such defeasance or covenant defeasance shall not result in a breach or violation of, or constitute a default under, this Indenture or any other agreement or instrument to which the Company is a party or by which it is bound.

(5) In the case of an election under Section 1402, the Company shall have delivered to the Trustee an Opinion of Counsel stating that (x) the Company has received from, or there has been published by, the Internal Revenue Service a ruling, or (y) since the date of this Indenture there has been a change in the applicable Federal income tax law, in either case to the effect that, and based thereon such opinion shall confirm that, the Holders of the Outstanding Securities of such series will not recognize income, gain or loss for Federal income tax purposes as a result of such defeasance and will be subject to Federal income tax on the same amounts, in the same manner and at the same time as would have been the case if such defeasance had not occurred.

(6) In the case of an election under Section 1403, the Company shall have delivered to the Trustee an Opinion of Counsel to the effect that the Holders of the Outstanding Securities of such series will not recognize income, gain or loss for Federal income tax purposes as a result of such covenant defeasance and will be subject to Federal income tax on the same amounts, in the same manner and at the same times as would have been the case if such covenant defeasance had not occurred.

(7) Such defeasance or covenant defeasance shall be effected in compliance with any additional terms, conditions or limitations which

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may be imposed on the Company in connection therewith pursuant to Section 301.

(8) No event or condition shall exist that, pursuant to the provisions of Article Eleven, would prevent the Company from making payments of the principal of (and any premium) or interest on the Securities of such series on the date of such deposit or at any time on or prior to the 90th day after the date of such deposit (it being understood that this condition shall not be deemed satisfied until after such 90th day).

(9) The Company shall have delivered to the Trustee an Opinion of Counsel substantially to the effect that (i) the trust funds deposited pursuant to this Section will not be subject to any rights of holders of Senior Indebtedness, including those arising under Article Eleven, and (ii) after the 90th day following the deposit, the trust funds will not be subject to the effect of any applicable bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization or similar laws affecting creditors' rights generally, except that if a court were to rule under any such law in any case or proceeding that the trust funds remained property of the Company, no opinion is given as to the effect of such laws on the trust funds except the following: (A) assuming such trust funds remained in the possession of the trustee with whom such funds were deposited prior to such court ruling to the extent not paid to Holders of such Securities, such trustee would hold, for the benefit of such Holders, a valid and perfected security interest in such trust funds that is not avoidable in bankruptcy or otherwise, (B) such Holders would be entitled to receive adequate protection of their interests in such trust funds if such trust funds were used and (C) no property, rights in property or other interests granted to such trustee for the Trustee or such Holders in exchange for or with respect to any such funds would be subject to any prior rights of holders of Senior Indebtedness, including those arising under Article Eleven.

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(10) The Company shall have delivered to the Trustee an Officers' Certificate and an Opinion of Counsel, each stating that all conditions precedent provided for relating to either the defeasance under Section 1402 or the covenant defeasance under Section 1403 (as the case may be) have been complied with.

Section 1405. Deposited Money and U.S. Government Obligations to be Held in Trust; Other Miscellaneous Provisions.

Subject to the provisions of the last paragraph of Section 1003, all money and U.S. Government Obligations (including the proceeds thereof) deposited with the Trustee (or other qualifying trustee -- collectively, for purposes of this Section 1405, the "Trustee") pursuant to Section 1404 in respect of the Outstanding Securities of such series shall be held in trust and applied by the Trustee, in accordance with the provisions of such Securities and this Indenture, to the payment, either directly or through any Paying Agent (but not including the Company acting as its own Paying Agent) as the Trustee may determine, to the Holders of such Securities, of all sums due and to become due thereon in respect of principal (and premium, if any) and interest, but such money need not be segregated from other funds except to the extent required by law. Money and U.S. Government Obligations (including the proceeds thereof) so held in trust shall not be subject to the provisions of Article Eleven, provided that the applicable conditions of Section 1404 have been satisfied.

The Company shall pay and indemnify the Trustee against any tax, fee or other charge imposed on or assessed against the money or U.S. Government Obligations deposited pursuant to Section 1404 or the principal and interest received in respect thereof.

Anything herein to the contrary notwithstanding, the Trustee shall deliver or pay to the Company from time to time upon Company Request any money or U.S. Government Obligations held by it as provided in Section 1404 which, in the opinion of a nationally recognized firm of independent public accountants expressed in a written certification thereof delivered to the Trustee, are in excess of the amount thereof which would then be required

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to be deposited to effect an equivalent defeasance or covenant defeasance.

Section 1406. Reinstatement.

If the Trustee or the Paying Agent is unable to apply any money in accordance with Section 1402 or 1403 by reason of any order or judgment or any court or governmental authority enjoining, restraining or otherwise prohibiting such application, then the Company's obligations under the Securities of such series shall be revived and reinstated as though no deposit had occurred pursuant to this Article Fourteen until such time as the Trustee or Paying Agent is permitted to apply all such money in accordance with Section 1402 or 1403; provided, however, that if the Company makes any payment of principal of (and premium, if any) any such Security following the reinstatement of its obligations, the Company shall be subrogated to the rights of the Holders of such Securities to receive such payment from the money held by the Trustee or the Paying Agent.

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This instrument may be executed in any number of counterparts, each of which so executed shall be deemed to be an original, but all such counterparts shall together constitute but one and the same instrument.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have caused this Indenture to be duly executed, all as of the day and year first above written.

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

By _________________________
Name:
Title:

JPMORGAN CHASE BANK

By _________________________
Name:
Title:

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STATE OF MINNESOTA         )
                           )       ss.:
COUNTY OF RAMSEY           )

On the __th day of _______, 200[ ], before me personally came [ ], to me known, who, being by me duly sworn, did depose and say that he is a
[ ] of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., one of the corporations described in and which executed the foregoing instrument; that he knows the seal of said corporation; that the seal affixed to said instrument is such corporate seal; that it was so affixed by authority of the Board of Directors of said corporation, and that he signed his name thereto by like authority.


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STATE OF NEW YORK      )
                       )       ss.:
COUNTY OF NEW YORK     )

On the __th day of __________, 200[ ], before me personally came [ ], to me known, who, being by me duly sworn, did depose and say that he is a [Vice President]of JPMorgan Chase Bank, one of the corporations described in and which executed the foregoing instrument; that she knows the seal of said corporation; that the seal affixed to said instrument is such corporate seal; that it was so affixed by authority of the Board of Directors of said corporation, and that she signed her name thereto by like authority.


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Exhibit 4.3
DEPOSIT AGREEMENT

DEPOSIT AGREEMENT dated as of [ ], among The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation, [ ], a [ ] corporation, and the holders from time to time of the Receipts described herein.

WHEREAS, it is desired to provide, as hereinafter set forth in this Deposit Agreement, for the deposit of shares of [ ] preferred stock ($[ ] liquidation preference) of The St. Paul Companies, Inc. with the Depositary for the purposes set forth in this Deposit Agreement and for the issuance hereunder of Receipts evidencing Depositary Shares in respect of the Stock so deposited; and

WHEREAS, the Receipts are to be substantially in the form of Exhibit A hereto, with appropriate insertions, modifications and omissions, as hereinafter provided in this Deposit Agreement;

NOW, THEREFORE, in consideration of these premises, the parties hereto agree as follows:

ARTICLE I
Definitions

The following definitions shall for all purposes, unless otherwise indicated, apply to the respective terms used in this Deposit Agreement:

"Certificate" shall mean either the certificate of designation or the statement of the Company filed with the Secretary of State of Minnesota establishing the Stock as a series of [ ] preferred stock ($[ ] liquidation preference) of the Company.

"Company" shall mean The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation, and its successors.

"Deposit Agreement" shall mean this Deposit Agreement, as amended or supplemented from time to time.

"Depositary" shall mean [ ], a [ ] corporation, and any successor as Depositary hereunder.

"Depositary Shares" shall mean Depositary Shares, each representing of a share of Stock and evidenced by a Receipt.

"Depositary's Agent" shall mean an agent appointed by the Depositary pursuant to Section 7.05.


"Depositary's Office" shall mean the principal office of the Depositary in [ ], at which at any particular time its depositary receipt business shall be administered.

["DTC" shall mean The Depository Trust Company, or any successor corporation thereto.]

["Global Receipt" shall refer to any global receipt issued hereunder and deposited with or on behalf of DTC.]

"Paying Agent" shall have the meaning specified in the Certificate.

"Receipt" shall mean one of the Depositary Receipts issued hereunder, whether in definitive or temporary form.

"record holder" as applied to a Receipt shall mean the person in whose name a Receipt is registered on the books of the Depositary maintained for such purpose.

"Registrar" shall mean any bank or trust company which shall be appointed to register ownership and transfers of Receipts as herein provided.

"Stock" shall mean shares of the Company's [ ] preferred stock ($[ ] liquidation preference).

ARTICLE II

Form of Receipts, Deposit of Stock, Execution and Delivery, Transfer, Surrender and Redemption or Receipts

SECTION 2.01. Form and Transfer of Receipts. Definitive Receipts shall be type-written, word processed, engraved, printed or lithographed on steel-engraved borders and shall be substantially in one of the forms set forth in Exhibit A annexed to this Deposit Agreement, with appropriate insertions, modifications and omissions, as hereinafter provided.

Pending the preparation of definitive Receipts, the Depositary, upon the written order of the Company delivered in compliance with Section 2.02, shall execute and deliver temporary Receipts which shall be printed, lithographed, typewritten, mimeographed or otherwise substantially of the tenor of the definitive Receipts in lieu of which they are issued and with such appropriate insertions, omissions, substitutions and other variations as the persons executing such Receipts may determine, as evidenced by their execution of such Receipts. If temporary Receipts are issued, the Company and the Depositary will cause definitive Receipts to be prepared without unreasonable delay. After the preparation of definitive Receipts, the temporary Receipts shall be exchangeable for definitive Receipts upon surrender of the temporary Receipts at an office described in Section 2.02, without charge to the holder. Upon surrender for cancellation of any one or more temporary Receipts, the Depositary shall execute and deliver in exchange therefor definitive Receipts representing the same number of

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Depositary Shares as represented by the surrendered temporary Receipt or Receipts. Such exchange shall be made at the Company's expense and without any charge therefor. Until so exchanged, the temporary Receipts shall in all respects be entitled to the same benefits under this Agreement, and with respect to the Stock, as definitive Receipts.

Receipts shall be executed by the Depositary by the manual signature of a duly authorized officer of the Depositary; provided, that such signature may be a facsimile if a Registrar for the Receipts (other than the Depositary) shall have been appointed and such Receipts are countersigned by manual signature of a duly authorized officer of the Registrar. No Receipt shall be entitled to any benefits under this Deposit Agreement or be valid or obligatory for any purpose unless it shall have been executed manually by a duly authorized officer of the Depositary or, if a Registrar for the Receipts (other than the Depositary) shall have been appointed, by manual or facsimile signature of a duly authorized officer of the Depositary and countersigned manually by a duly authorized officer of such Registrar. The Depositary shall record on its books each Receipt so signed and delivered as hereinafter provided.

[The Company and Depositary shall have applied to DTC for acceptance of the Depositary Shares in its book-entry settlement system. Depositary Shares deposited with DTC shall be represented by one or more Global Receipts which shall be registered in the name of Cede & Co., as nominee for DTC, and shall bear the following legend:

UNLESS THIS CERTIFICATE IS PRESENTED BY AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEPOSITORY TRUST COMPANY, A NEW YORK CORPORATION ("DTC"), TO THE ISSUER OR ITS AGENT FOR REGISTRATION OF TRANSFER, EXCHANGE OR PAYMENT, AND ANY CERTIFICATE ISSUED IS REGISTERED IN THE NAME OF CEDE & CO. OR IN SUCH OTHER NAME AS IS REQUESTED BY AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF DTC ( AND ANY PAYMENT IS MADE TO CEDE & CO. OR TO SUCH OTHER ENTITY AS IS REQUESTED BY AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF DTC), ANY TRANSFER, PLEDGE, OR OTHER USE HEREOF FOR VALUE OR OTHERWISE BY OR TO ANY PERSON IS WRONGFUL INASMUCH AS THE REGISTERED OWNER HEREOF, CEDE & CO., HAS AN INTEREST HEREIN.

So long as the Depositary Shares are eligible for book-entry settlement with DTC, unless otherwise required by law, all Depositary Shares shall be evidenced by one or more Global Receipts registered in the name of a nominee of DTC and no person acquiring beneficial ownership of such Depositary Shares shall receive or be entitled to receive physical delivery of receipts. Ownership of beneficial interests in such Global Receipt or Receipts shall be shown on, and the transfer of such ownership shall be effected only through, records maintained by (i) DTC or (ii) institutions that have accounts with DTC.

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If, at any time when Depositary Shares are evidenced by a Global Receipt, DTC ceases to make its book-entry settlement system available for such Depositary Shares, the Company shall consult with the Depositary regarding making other arrangements for book-entry settlement. Only in the event that it is impracticable without undue effort or expense to continue to have such Depositary Shares available in book-entry form, the Company shall instruct the Depositary to issue separate Receipts to the owners of beneficial interests in such Global Receipts, with such additions, deletions and modifications to this Deposit Agreement and to the form of Receipts as the Company and Depositary may , from time to time, agree (which may include requiring additional statements, documents and certifications as a condition of issuing such Receipts.]

[Receipts shall be in denominations of any number of whole Depositary Shares up to but not in excess of [ ] Depositary Shares for any particular Receipt.]

Receipts may be endorsed with or have incorporated in the text thereof such legends or recitals or changes not inconsistent with the provisions of this Deposit Agreement as may be required by the Depositary or required to comply with any applicable law or any regulation thereunder or with the rules and regulations of any securities exchange upon which the Stock, the Depositary Shares or the Receipts may be listed or to conform with any usage with respect thereto, or to indicate any special limitations or restrictions to which any particular Receipts are subject.

Title to Depositary Shares evidenced by a Receipt which is properly endorsed, or accompanied by a properly executed instrument of transfer, shall be transferable by delivery with the same effect as in the case of a negotiable instrument; provided, however, that until transfer of a Receipt shall be registered on the books of the Depositary as provided in Section 2.04, the Depositary may, notwithstanding any notice to the contrary, treat the record holder thereof at such time as the absolute owner thereof for the purpose of determining the person entitled to distributions of dividends or other distributions or to any notice provided for in this Deposit Agreement and for all other purposes.

The Depositary shall not lend any Stock deposited hereunder.

SECTION 2.02. Deposit of Stock; Execution and Delivery of Receipts in Respect Thereof. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Deposit Agreement, the Company or any holder of Stock may from time to time deposit shares of the Stock under this Deposit Agreement by delivery to the Depositary of a certificate or certificates for the Stock to be deposited, properly endorsed or accompanied, if required by the Depositary, by a duly executed instrument of transfer or endorsement, in form satisfactory to the Depositary, together with all such certifications as may be required by the Depositary in accordance with the provisions of this Deposit Agreement, and together with a written order of the Company or such holder, as the case may be, directing the Depositary to execute and deliver to, or upon the written order of, the person or persons

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stated in such order a [Global] Receipt or Receipts for the number of Depositary Shares representing such deposited Stock.

Deposited Stock shall be held by the Depositary at the Depositary's Office or at such other place or places as the Depositary shall determine.

Upon receipt by the Depositary of a certificate or certificates for Stock deposited in accordance with the provisions of this Section, together with the other documents required as above specified, and upon recordation of the Stock on the books of the Company in the name of the Depositary or its nominee, the Depositary, subject to the terms and conditions of this Deposit Agreement, shall execute and deliver to, or upon the order of, the Exchange Agent a
[Global] Receipt or Receipts for the number of Depositary Shares representing the Stock so deposited and registered in such name or names of the person or persons as specified in the written order delivered to the Depositary referred to in the first paragraph of this Section. The Depositary shall execute and deliver such [Global] Receipt or Receipts at the Depositary's Office or such other offices, if any, as the Depositary may designate. Delivery at other offices shall be at the risk and expense of the person requesting such delivery.

Other than in the case of splits, combinations or other reclassifications affecting the Stock, or in the case of dividends or other distributions of Stock, if any, or unless the Company provides written notice to the Depositary as to a different number of shares of Stock, there shall be deposited hereunder not more than [ ] shares of Stock.

SECTION 2.03. Redemption of Stock. Whenever the Company shall elect to redeem shares of Stock in accordance with the provisions of the Certificate, it shall (unless otherwise agreed to in writing with the Depositary) give the Depositary not less than 40 nor more than 70 days' notice of the date of such proposed redemption of Stock, which notice shall be accompanied by a certificate from the Company stating that such redemption of Stock is in accordance with the provisions of the Certificate. Such notice, if given more than 60 days prior to the redemption date, shall be in addition to the notice required to be given for redemption pursuant to the Certificate. On the date of such redemption, provided that the Company shall then have paid in full to the Depositary the redemption price of the Stock to be redeemed, plus any accrued and unpaid dividends thereon, the Depositary shall redeem the number of Depositary Shares representing such Stock. The Depositary shall mail notice of such redemption and the proposed simultaneous redemption of the number of Depositary Shares representing the Stock to be redeemed, first-class postage prepaid, not less than 30 and not more than 60 days prior to the date fixed for redemption of such Stock and Depositary Shares (the "Redemption Date"), to the record holders of the Receipts evidencing the Depositary Shares to be so redeemed, at the addresses of such holders as they appear on the records of the Depositary; but neither failure to mail any such notice to one or more such holders nor any defect in any notice to one or more such holders shall affect the sufficiency of the proceedings for redemption as to other holders. Each such notice shall state: (i) the Redemption Date; (ii) the number of Depositary Shares to be redeemed and, if less than

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all the Depositary Shares held by any such holder are to be redeemed, the number of such Depositary Shares held by such holder to be so redeemed; (iii) the redemption price; (iv) the place or places where Receipts evidencing Depositary Shares are to be surrendered for payment of the redemption price; and (v) that dividends in respect of the Stock represented by the Depositary Shares to be redeemed will cease to accumulate on such Redemption Date. In case less than all the outstanding Depositary Shares are to be redeemed, the Depositary Shares to be so redeemed shall be selected by lot or pro rata as may be determined by the Depositary or any other method which may be determined by the Depositary to be equitable.

Notice having been mailed by the Depositary as aforesaid, from and after the earlier of (i) the time of deposit of funds, [pursuant to Paragraph
[ ] of the Certificate,] necessary for such redemption with the Paying Agent in trust for the pro rata benefit of the holders of Stock represented by the Depositary Shares called for redemption or (ii) the Redemption Date (unless the Company shall have failed to redeem the shares of Stock to be redeemed by it as set forth in the Company's notice provided for in the preceding paragraph) all dividends in respect of the shares of Stock so called for redemption shall cease to accumulate, the Depositary Shares being redeemed from such proceeds shall be deemed no longer to be outstanding, all rights of the holders of Receipts evidencing such Depositary Shares (except the right to receive the Redemption Price) shall, to the extent of such Depositary Shares, cease and terminate and, upon surrender in accordance with such notice of the Receipts evidencing any such Depositary Shares (properly endorsed or assigned for transfer, if the Depositary shall so require), such Depositary Shares shall be redeemed by the Depositary at a redemption price per Depositary Share equal to the fraction of a share of Stock represented by one Depositary Share multiplied by the redemption price per share paid in respect of the shares of Stock plus all money and other property, if any, represented by such Depositary Shares, including all amounts paid by the Company in respect of dividends which on the Redemption Date have accumulated on the shares of Stock to be so redeemed and have not theretofore been paid.

If fewer than all the Depositary Shares evidenced by a Receipt are called for redemption, the Depositary will deliver to the holder of such Receipt upon its surrender to the Depositary, together with the redemption payment, a new [Global] Receipt evidencing the Depositary Shares evidenced by such prior Receipt and not called for redemption.

Any funds that the Company deposits with the Depositary for any Depositary Shares that the holders of a Receipt or Receipts fail to redeem will be returned to the Company after a period of one year from the date the Company deposited the funds.

[Notwithstanding anything to the contrary herein, the Company may purchase or acquire shares of Stock represented by the Depositary Shares pursuant to a tender or exchange offer as set forth in Paragraph [ ] of the Certificate; provided, however, that if some, but less than all, of the shares of Stock represented by the Depositary Shares are to

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be purchased or otherwise acquired pursuant to such tender or exchange offer and the number of shares of Stock represented by the Depositary Shares so tendered exceeds the number of shares of Stock represented by the Depositary shares so to be purchased or otherwise acquired by the Company, the Depositary Shares representing Stock so tendered shall be purchased or otherwise acquired by the Depositary, on behalf and upon the instructions of the Company, on a pro rata basis (with adjustments to eliminate fractions) according to the number of such Depositary Shares representing the Stock duly tendered by each holder so tendering Depositary Shares representing Stock for such purchase or exchange.]

SECTION 2.04. Registration of Transfer of Receipts. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Deposit Agreement, the Depositary shall register on its books from time to time transfers of Receipts upon any surrender thereof by the holder in person or by duly authorized attorney, properly endorsed or accompanied by a properly executed instrument of transfer. Thereupon the Depositary shall execute a new Receipt or Receipts evidencing the same aggregate number of Depositary Shares as those evidenced by the Receipt or Receipts surrendered and deliver such new Receipt or Receipts to or upon the order of the person entitled thereto.

SECTION 2.05. Split-ups and Combinations of Receipts; Surrender of Receipts and Withdrawal of Stock. Upon surrender of a Receipt or Receipts at the Depositary's Office or at such other offices as it may designate for the purpose of effecting a split-up or combination of such Receipt or Receipts, and subject to the terms and conditions of this Deposit Agreement, the Depositary shall execute and deliver a new Receipt or Receipts in the authorized denomination or denominations requested, evidencing the aggregate number of Depositary Shares evidenced by the Receipt or Receipts surrendered.

Any holder of a Receipt or Receipts representing any number of whole shares of Stock may (unless the related Depositary Shares have previously been called for redemption) withdraw the Stock and all money and other property, if any, represented thereby by surrendering such Receipt or Receipts, at the Depositary's Office or at such other offices as the Depositary may designate for such withdrawals. Thereafter, without unreasonable delay, the Depositary shall deliver to such holder, or to the person or persons designated by such holder as hereinafter provided, the number of whole shares of Stock and all money and other property, if any, represented by the Receipt or Receipts so surrendered for withdrawal, but holders of such whole shares of Stock will not thereafter be entitled to deposit such Stock hereunder or to receive Depositary Shares therefor.

If a Receipt delivered by the holder to the Depositary in connection with such withdrawal shall evidence a number of Depositary Shares in excess of the number of Depositary Shares representing the number of whole shares of Stock to be so withdrawn, the Depositary shall at the same time, in addition to such number of whole shares of Stock and such money and other property, if any, to be so withdrawn, deliver to such holder, or (subject to Section 2.03) upon his order, a new Receipt evidencing such excess

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number of Depositary Shares. Delivery of the Stock and money and other property being withdrawn may be made by the delivery of such certificates, documents of title and other instruments as the Depositary may deem appropriate.

If the Stock and the money and other property being withdrawn are to be delivered to a person or persons other than the record holder of the Receipt or Receipts being surrendered for withdrawal of Stock, such holder shall execute and deliver to the Depositary a written order so directing the Depositary and the Depositary may require that the Receipt or Receipts surrendered by such holder for withdrawal of such shares of Stock be properly endorsed in blank or accompanied by a properly executed instrument of transfer in blank.

Delivery of the Stock and the money and other property, if any, represented by Receipts surrendered for withdrawal shall be made by the Depositary at the Depositary's Office, except that, at the request, risk and expense of the holder surrendering such Receipt or Receipts and for the account of the holder thereof, such delivery may be made at such other place as may be designated by such holder.

SECTION 2.06. Limitations on Execution and Delivery, Transfer, Surrender and Exchange of Receipts. As a condition precedent to the execution and delivery, registration of transfer, split-up, combination, surrender or exchange of any Receipt, the Depositary, any of the Depositary's Agents or the Company may require payment to it of a sum sufficient for the payment (or, in the event that the Depositary or the Company shall have made such payment, the reimbursement to it) of any charges or expenses payable by the holder of a Receipt pursuant to Section 5.07, may require the production of evidence satisfactory to it as to the identity and genuineness of any signature and may also require compliance with such regulations, if any, as the Depositary or the Company may establish consistent with the provisions of this Deposit Agreement.

The deposit of Stock may be refused, the delivery of Receipts against Stock may be suspended, the registration of transfer of Receipts may be refused and the registration of transfer, surrender or exchange of outstanding Receipts may be suspended (i) during any period when the register of stockholders of the Company is closed or (ii) if any such action is deemed necessary or advisable by the Depositary, any of the Depositary's Agents or the Company at any time or from time to time because of any requirement of law or of any government or governmental body or commission or under any provision of this Deposit Agreement.

SECTION 2.07. Lost Receipts etc. In case any Receipt shall be mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen, the Depositary in its discretion may execute and deliver a Receipt of like form and tenor in exchange and substitution for such mutilated Receipt, or in lieu of and in substitution for such destroyed, lost or stolen Receipt, upon (i) the filing by the holder thereof with the Depositary of evidence satisfactory to the Depositary of such destruction or loss or theft of such Receipt, of the authenticity thereof and of his or

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her ownership thereof and (ii) the furnishing of the Depositary with reasonable indemnification satisfactory to it.

SECTION 2.08. Cancellation and Destruction of Surrendered Receipts. All Receipts surrendered to the Depositary or any Depositary's Agent shall be canceled by the Depositary. Except as prohibited by applicable law or regulation, the Depositary is authorized to destroy all Receipts so canceled.

ARTICLE III
Certain Obligations of Holders
of Receipts and the Company

SECTION 3.01. Filing Proofs, Certificates and Other Information. Any holder of a Receipt may be required from time to time to file such proof of residence, or other matters or other information, to execute such certificates and to make such representations and warranties as the Depositary or the Company may reasonably deem necessary or proper. The Depositary or the Company may withhold the delivery, or delay the registration of transfer, redemption or exchange, of any Receipt or the withdrawal of the Stock represented by the Depositary Shares evidenced by any Receipt or the distribution of any dividend or other distribution or the sale of any rights or of the proceeds thereof until such proof or other information is filed or such certificates are executed or such representations and warranties are made.

SECTION 3.02. Payment of Taxes or Other Governmental Charges. Holders of Receipts shall be obligated to make payments to the Depositary of certain charges and expenses, as provided in Section 5.07. Registration of transfer of any Receipt or any withdrawal of Stock and all money or other property, if any, represented by the Depositary Shares evidenced by such Receipt may be refused until any such payment due is made, and any dividends, interest payments or other distributions may be withheld or any part of or all the Stock or other property represented by the Depositary Shares evidenced by such Receipt and not theretofore sold may be sold for the account of the holder thereof (after attempting by reasonable means to notify such holder prior to such sale), and such dividends, interest payments or other distributions or the proceeds of any such sale may be applied to any payment of such charges or expenses, the holder of such Receipt remaining liable for any deficiency.

SECTION 3.03. Warranty as to Stock. The Company hereby represents and warrants that the Stock, when issued, will be validly issued, fully paid and nonassessable. Such representation and warranty shall survive the deposit of the Stock and the issuance of Receipts.

ARTICLE IV
The Deposited Securities; Notices

SECTION 4.01. Cash Distributions. Whenever the Depositary shall receive any cash dividend or other cash distribution on Stock, the Depositary shall, subject to

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Sections 3.01 and 3.02, distribute to record holders of Receipts on the record date fixed pursuant to Section 4.04 such amounts of such dividend or distribution as are, as nearly as practicable, in proportion to the respective numbers of Depositary Shares evidenced by the Receipts held by such holders; provided, however, that in case the Company or the Depositary shall be required to withhold and shall withhold from any cash dividend or other cash distribution in respect of the Stock an amount on account of taxes or other governmental charges, the amount made available for distribution or distributed in respect of Depositary Shares shall be reduced accordingly. The Depositary shall distribute or make available for distribution, as the case may be, only such amount, however, as can be distributed without attributing to any holder of Depositary Shares a fraction of one cent, and any balance not so distributable shall be held by the Depositary (without liability for interest thereon) and shall be added to and be treated as part of the next sum received by the Depositary for distribution to record holders of Receipts then outstanding.

SECTION 4.02. Distribution Other than Cash, Rights, Preferences or Privileges. Whenever the Depositary shall receive any distribution other than cash, rights, preferences or privileges upon Stock, the Depositary shall, subject to Sections 3.01 and 3.02, distribute to record holders of Receipts on the record date fixed pursuant to Section 4.04 such amounts of the securities or property received by it as are, as nearly as practicable, in proportion to the respective numbers of Depositary Shares evidenced by the Receipts held by such holders, in any manner that the Depositary may deem equitable and practicable for accomplishing such distribution. If in the opinion of the Depositary such distribution cannot be made proportionately among such record holders, or if for any other reason (including any requirement that the Company or the Depositary withhold an amount on account of taxes) the Depositary deems, after consultation with the Company, such distribution not to be feasible, the Depositary may, with the approval of the Company, adopt such method as it deems equitable and practicable for the purpose of effecting such distribution, including the sale (at public or private sale) of the securities or property thus received, or any part thereof, at such place or places and upon such terms as it may deem proper. The net proceeds of any such sale shall, subject to Sections 3.01. and 3.02, be distributed or made available for distribution, as the case may be, by the Depositary to record holders of Receipts as provided by Section 4.01 in the case of a distribution received in cash. The Company shall not make any distribution of such securities unless the Company shall have provided an opinion of counsel stating that such securities have been registered under the Securities Act of 1933 or do not need to be registered.

SECTION 4.03. Subscription Rights, Preferences or Privileges. If the Company shall at any time offer or cause to be offered to the persons in whose names Stock is recorded on the books of the Company any rights, preferences or privileges to subscribe for or to purchase any securities or any rights, preferences or privileges of any other nature, such rights, preferences or privileges shall in each such instance be made available by the Depositary to the record holders of Receipts in such manner as the Depositary may determine, either by the issue to such record holders of warrants

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representing such rights, preferences or privileges or by such other method as may be approved by the Depositary in its discretion with the approval of the Company; provided, however, that (i) if at the time of issue or offer of any such rights, preferences or privileges the Depositary determines that it is not lawful or (after consultation with the Company) not feasible to make such rights, preferences or privileges available to holders of Receipts by the issue of warrants or otherwise, or (ii) if and to the extent so instructed by holders of Receipts who do not desire to exercise such rights, preferences or privileges, then the Depositary, in its discretion (with the approval of the Company, in any case where the Depositary has determined that it is not feasible to make such rights, preferences or privileges available), may, if applicable laws or the terms of such rights, preferences or privileges permit such transfer, sell such rights, preferences or privileges at public or private sale, at such place or places and upon such terms as it may deem proper. The net proceeds of any such sale shall, subject to Sections 3.01 and 3.02, be distributed by the Depositary to the record holders of Receipts entitled thereto as provided by Section 4.01 in the case of a distribution received in cash. The Company shall not make any distribution of any such rights, preferences or privileges unless the Company shall have provided an opinion of counsel stating that such rights, preferences or privileges have been registered under the Securities Act of 1933 or do not need to be registered.

If registration under the Securities Act of 1933 of the securities to which any rights, preferences or privileges relate is required in order for holders of Receipts to be offered or sold the securities to which such rights, preferences or privileges relate, the Company agrees with the Depositary that it will file promptly a registration statement pursuant to such Act with respect to such rights, preferences or privileges and securities and use its commercially reasonable best efforts and take all steps available to it to cause such registration statement to become effective sufficiently in advance of the expiration of such rights, preferences or privileges to enable such holders to exercise such rights, preferences or privileges. In no event shall the Depositary make available to the holders of Receipts any right, preference or privilege to subscribe for or to purchase any securities unless and until such registration statement shall have become effective, or unless the offering and sale of such securities to such holders are exempt from registration under the provisions of such Act.

If any other action under the laws of any jurisdiction or any governmental or administrative authorization, consent or permit is required in order for such rights, preferences or privileges to be made available to holders of Receipts, the Company agrees with the Depositary that the Company will use its commercially reasonable best efforts to take such action or obtain such authorization, consent or permit sufficiently in advance of the expiration of such rights, preferences or privileges to enable such holders to exercise such rights, preferences or privileges.

SECTION 4.04. Notice of Dividends, etc.; Fixing of Record Date for Holders of Receipts. Whenever any cash dividend or other cash distribution shall become payable or any distribution other than cash shall be made, or if rights, preferences or privileges shall at any time be offered, with respect to Stock, or whenever the Depositary shall receive

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notice of any meeting at which holders of Stock are entitled to vote or of which holders of Stock are entitled to notice, or whenever the Depositary and the Company shall decide it is appropriate, the Depositary shall in each such instance fix a record date (which shall be the same date as the record date fixed by the Company with respect to the Stock) for the determination of the holders of Receipts who shall be entitled to receive such dividend, distribution, rights, preferences or privileges or the net proceeds of the sale thereof, or to give instructions for the exercise of voting rights at any such meeting, or who shall be entitled to notice of such meeting or for any other appropriate reasons.

SECTION 4.05. Voting Rights. Upon receipt of notice of any meeting at which the holders of Stock are entitled to vote, the Depositary shall, as soon as practicable thereafter, mail to the record holders of Receipts a notice which shall contain (1) such information as is contained in such notice of meeting and
(ii) a statement that the holders may, subject to any applicable restrictions, instruct the Depositary as to the exercise of the voting rights pertaining to the amount of Stock represented by their respective Depositary Shares (including an express indication that instructions may be given to the Depositary to give a discretionary proxy to a person designated by the Company) and a brief statement as to the manner in which such instructions may be given. Upon the written request of the holders of Receipts on the relevant record date (which shall be the same date as the record date for the Stock) the Depositary shall endeavor insofar as practicable to vote or cause to be voted, in accordance with the instructions set forth in such requests, the maximum number of whole shares of Stock represented by the Depositary Shares evidenced by all Receipts as to which any particular voting instructions are received. The Company hereby agrees to take all action which may be deemed necessary by the Depositary in order to enable the Depositary to vote such Stock or cause such Stock to be voted. If the Depositary does not receive specific instructions from the holders of any Receipts, the Depositary will vote all shares of the series held by it proportionately with instructions received.

SECTION 4.06. Changes Affecting Deposited Securities and Reclassifications, Recapitalizations, etc. Upon any change in par or stated value or liquidation preference, split-up, combination or any other reclassification of the Stock, or upon any recapitalization, reorganization, merger, amalgamation or consolidation affecting the Company or to which it is a party, the Depositary may in its discretion with the approval of, and shall upon the instructions of, the Company, and (in either case) in such manner as the Depositary may deem equitable, (i) make such adjustments as are certified by the Company in (x) the fraction of an interest represented by one Depositary Share in one share of Stock and (y) the ratio of the redemption price per Depositary Share to the redemption price of a share of Stock, in each case as may be necessary fully to reflect the effects of such change in par or stated value or liquidation preference, split-up, combination or other reclassification of Stock, or of such recapitalization, reorganization, merger, amalgamation or consolidation and (ii) treat any securities which shall be received by the Depositary in exchange for or upon conversion of or in respect of the

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Stock as new deposited securities so received in exchange for or upon conversion or in respect of such Stock. In any such case, the Depositary may in its discretion, with the approval of the Company, execute and deliver additional Receipts, or may call for the surrender of all outstanding Receipts to be exchanged for new Receipts specifically describing such new deposited securities. Anything to the contrary herein notwithstanding, holders of Receipts shall have the right from and after the effective date of any such change in par or stated value or liquidation preference, split-up, combination or other reclassification of the Stock or any such recapitalization, reorganization, merger, amalgamation or consolidation to surrender such Receipts to the Depositary with instructions to convert, exchange or surrender the Stock represented thereby only into or for, as the case may be, the kind and amount of shares of stock and other securities and property and cash into which the Stock represented by such Receipts might have been converted or for which such Stock might have been exchanged or surrendered immediately prior to the effective date of such transaction.

SECTION 4.07. Inspection of Reports. The Depositary shall transmit to the record holders of Receipts, at the addresses of such record holders as set forth on the books of the Depositary, and shall make available for inspection by holders of Receipts at the Depositary's Office, and at such other places as it may from time to time deem advisable, any reports and communications received from the Company which are received by the Depositary as the holder of Stock.

SECTION 4.08. Lists of Receipt Holders. Promptly upon request from time to time by the Company, the Depositary shall furnish to it a list, as of a recent date, of the names, addresses and holdings of Depositary Shares of all persons in whose names Receipts are registered on the books of the Depositary.

ARTICLE V

The Depositary, the Depositary's Agents, the Registrar and the Company

SECTION 5.01. Maintenance of Offices, Agencies and Transfer Books by the Depositary; Registrar. Upon execution of this Deposit Agreement, the Depositary shall maintain at the Depositary's Office, facilities for the execution and delivery, registration and registration of transfer, surrender and exchange of Receipts, and at the offices of the Depositary's Agents, if any, facilities for the delivery, registration of transfer, surrender and exchange of Receipts, all in accordance with the provisions of this Deposit Agreement.

The Depositary shall keep books at the Depositary's Office for the registration and registration of transfer of Receipts, which books at all reasonable times shall be open for inspection by the record holders of Receipts; provided, that any such holder requesting to exercise such right shall certify to the Depositary that such inspection shall be for a proper purpose reasonably related to such person's interest as an owner of Depositary Shares evidenced by the Receipts.

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The Depositary may close such books, at any time or from time to time, when deemed expedient by it in connection with the performance of its duties hereunder.

The Depositary may, with the approval of the Company, appoint a Registrar for registration of the Receipts or the Depositary Shares evidenced thereby. If the Receipts or the Depositary Shares evidenced thereby or the Stock represented by such Depositary Shares shall be listed on the New York Stock Exchange, the Depositary will appoint a Registrar (acceptable to the Company) for registration of such receipts or Depositary Shares in accordance with any requirements of such Exchange. Such Registrar (which may be the Depositary if so permitted by the requirements of such Exchange) may be removed and a substitute registrar appointed by the Depositary upon the request or with the approval of the Company. If the Receipts, such Depositary Shares or such Stock are listed on one or more other stock exchanges, the Depositary will, at the request of the Company, arrange such facilities for the delivery, registration, registration of transfer, surrender and exchange of such Receipts, such Depositary Shares or such Stock as may be required by law or applicable stock exchange regulation.

SECTION 5.02. Prevention of or Delay in Performance by the Depositary, the Depositary's Agents, the Registrar or the Company. Neither the Depositary nor any Depositary's Agent nor any Registrar nor the Company shall incur any liability to any holder of any Receipt if by reason of any provision of any present or future law, or regulation thereunder, of the United States of America or of any other governmental authority or, in the case of the Depositary, the Depositary's Agent or the Registrar, by reason of any provision, present or future, of the Company's Restated Certificate of Incorporation (including the Certificate) or by reason of any act of God or war or other circumstance beyond the control of the relevant party, the Depositary, the Depositary's Agent, the Registrar or the Company shall be prevented or forbidden from, or subjected to any penalty on account of, doing or performing any act or thing which the terms of this Deposit Agreement provide shall be done or performed; nor shall the Depositary, any Depositary's Agent, any Registrar or the Company incur any liability to any holder of a Receipt (i) by reason of any nonperformance or delay, caused as aforesaid, in the performance of any act or thing which the terms of this Deposit Agreement provide shall or may be done or performed, or
(ii) by reason of any exercise of, or failure to exercise, any discretion provided for in this Deposit Agreement except, in case of any such exercise or failure to exercise discretion not caused as aforesaid, if caused by the negligence or willful misconduct of the party charged with such exercise or failure to exercise.

SECTION 5.03. Obligations of the Depositary, the Depositary's Agents, the Registrar and the Company. Neither the Depositary nor any Depositary's Agent nor any Registrar nor the Company assumes any obligation or shall be subject to any liability under this Deposit Agreement to holders of Receipts other than for its negligence or willful misconduct.

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Neither the Depositary nor any Depositary's Agent nor any Registrar nor the Company shall be under any obligation to appear in, prosecute or defend any action, suit or other proceeding in respect of the Stock, the Depositary Shares or the Receipts which in its opinion may involve it in expense or liability unless indemnity satisfactory to it against all expense and liability be furnished as often as may be required.

Neither the Depositary nor any Depositary's Agent nor any Registrar nor the Company shall be liable for any action or any failure to act by it in reliance upon the written advice of legal counsel or accountants, or information from any person presenting Stock for deposit, any holder of a Receipt or any other person believed by it in good faith to be competent to give such information. The Depositary, any Depositary's Agent, any Registrar and the Company may each rely and shall each be protected in acting upon any written notice, request, direction or other document believed by it to be genuine and to have been signed or presented by the proper party or parties.

The Depositary shall not be responsible for any failure to carry out any instruction to vote any of the shares of Stock or for the manner or effect of any such vote made, as long as any such action or non-action is in good faith. The Depositary undertakes, and any Registrar shall be required to undertake, to perform such duties and only such duties as are specifically set forth in this Agreement, and no implied covenants or obligations shall be read into this Agreement against the Depositary or any Registrar. The Depositary will be liable to the Company for any liability which may arise out of acts performed or omitted by the Depositary or the Depositary's Agents due to its or their gross negligence or willful misconduct. The Depositary, the Depositary's Agents, and any Registrar may own and deal in any class of securities of the Company and its affiliates and in Receipts. The Depositary may also act as transfer agent or registrar of any of the securities of the Company and its affiliates.

SECTION 5.04. Resignation and Removal of the Depositary; Appointment of Successor Depositary. The Depositary may at any time resign as Depositary hereunder by notice of its election so to do delivered to the Company, such resignation to take effect upon the appointment of a successor Depositary and its acceptance of such appointment as hereinafter provided.

The Depositary may at any time be removed by the Company by notice of such removal delivered to the Depositary, such removal to take effect upon the appointment of a successor Depositary and its acceptance of such appointment as hereinafter provided.

In case at any time the Depositary acting hereunder shall resign or be removed, the Company shall, within 60 days after the delivery of the notice of resignation or removal, as the case may be, appoint a successor Depositary, which shall be a bank or trust company having its principal office in the United States of America and having a combined capital and surplus of at least $50,000,000. If no successor Depositary shall have been so appointed and have accepted appointment within 60 days after delivery of such notice, the resigning or removed Depositary may petition any court of competent

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jurisdiction for the appointment of a successor Depositary. Every successor Depositary shall execute and deliver to its predecessor and to the Company an instrument in writing accepting its appointment hereunder, and thereupon such successor Depositary, without any further act or deed, shall become fully vested with all the rights, powers, duties and obligations of its predecessor and for all purposes shall be the Depositary under this Deposit Agreement, and such predecessor, upon payment of all sums due it and on the written request of the Company, shall execute and deliver an instrument transferring to such successor all rights and powers of such predecessor hereunder, shall duly assign, transfer and deliver all right, title and interest in the Stock and any moneys or property held hereunder to such successor, and shall deliver to such successor a list of the record holders of all outstanding Receipts. Any successor Depositary shall promptly mail notice of its appointment to the record holders of Receipts.

Any corporation into or with which the Depositary may be merged, consolidated or converted shall be the successor of such Depositary without the execution or filing of any document or any further act, and notice thereof shall not be required hereunder. Such successor Depositary may authenticate the Receipts in the name of the predecessor Depositary or in the name of the successor Depositary.

SECTION 5.05. Corporate Notices and Reports. The Company agrees that it will transmit to the record holders of Receipts, in each case at the addresses furnished to it pursuant to Section 4.08, all notices and reports (including without limitation financial statements) required by law, by the rules of any national securities exchange upon which the Stock, the Depositary Shares or the Receipts are listed or by the Company's Restated Certificate of Incorporation (including the Certificate) to be furnished by the Company to holders of Stock. Such transmission will be at the Company' s expense.

SECTION 5.06. Indemnification by the Company. The Company shall indemnify the Depositary, any Depositary's Agent and any Registrar against, and hold each of them harmless from, any loss, liability or expense (including the costs and expenses of defending itself and reasonable counsel fees) which may arise out of (a) acts performed or omitted in connection with this Deposit Agreement and the Receipts (i) by the Depositary, any Registrar or any of their respective agents (including any Depositary's Agent), except for any liability arising out of negligence or bad faith on the respective parts of any such person or persons, or (ii) by the Company or any of its agents, or (b) the offer, sale or registration of the Receipts, the Depositary Shares or the Stock pursuant to the provisions hereof. The obligations of the Company set forth in this Section 5.06 shall survive any succession of any Depositary, Registrar or Depositary' s Agent.

SECTION 5.07. Charges and Expenses. The Company shall pay all transfer and other taxes and governmental charges arising solely from the existence of the depositary arrangements hereunder. The Company shall pay all charges of the Depositary in connection with the initial deposit of the Stock and the initial issuance of the Depositary Shares, redemption of the Stock at the option of the Company and all

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withdrawals of shares of the Stock by owners of Depositary Shares. All other transfer and other taxes and governmental charges shall be at the expense of holders of Depositary Shares. If, at the request of a holder of Receipts, the Depositary incurs charges or expenses for which it is not otherwise liable hereunder, such holder will be liable for such charges and expenses. All other charges and expenses of the Depositary and any Depositary's Agent hereunder and of any Registrar (including, in each case, reasonable fees and expenses of counsel) incident to the performance of their respective obligations hereunder will be paid upon consultation and agreement between the Depositary and the Company as to the amount and nature of such charges and expenses. The Depositary shall present its statement for charges and expenses to the Company once every three months or at such other intervals as the Company and the Depositary may agree.

SECTION 5.08. Tax Compliance. (a) The Depositary, on its own behalf and on behalf of the Company will comply with all applicable certification, information reporting and withholding (including "backup" withholding) requirements imposed by applicable tax laws, regulations or administrative practice with respect to (1) any payments made with respect to the Depositary Shares or (ii) the issuance, delivery, holding, transfer, redemption or exercise of rights under the Depositary Receipts or the Depositary Shares. Such compliance shall include, without limitation, the preparation and timely filing of required returns and the timely payment of all amounts required to be withheld to the appropriate taxing authority or its designated agent.

(b) The Depositary shall comply with any direction received from the Company with respect to the application of such requirements to particular payments or holders or in other particular circumstances, and may for purposes of this Agreement rely on any such direction in accordance with the provisions of Section 5.03 hereof.

(c) The Depositary shall maintain all appropriate records documenting compliance with such requirements, and shall make such records available on request to the Company or to its authorized representatives.

ARTICLE VI
Amendment and Termination

SECTION 6.01. Amendment. The form of the Receipts and any provisions of this Deposit Agreement may at any time and from time to time be amended by agreement between the Company and the Depositary in any respect which they may deem necessary or desirable; provided, however, that no such amendment (other than any change in the fees of any Depositary, Registrar or Transfer Agent) which shall materially and adversely alter the rights of the holders of Receipts shall be effective unless such amendment shall have been approved by the holders of Receipts evidencing at least a majority of the Depositary Shares then outstanding. The Company will make no amendment that impairs the right of any holders of Depositary Shares, as described above under Section 2.05, to receive shares of Stock and any money or other property represented by

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those Depositary Shares, except in order to comply with applicable provisions of applicable law. Every holder of an outstanding Receipt at the time any such amendment becomes effective, or any transferee of such holder shall be deemed, by continuing to hold such Receipt, or by reason of the acquisition thereof, to consent and agree to such amendment and to be bound by the Deposit Agreement as amended thereby.

SECTION 6.02. Termination. This Deposit Agreement automatically terminates if (i) all outstanding Depositary Shares have been redeemed or converted or exchanged for any other securities into which they or the Stock are convertible or exchangeable; (ii) each share of the Stock has been converted into or exchanged for common stock; or (iii) a final distribution in respect of the Stock has been made to the holders of Receipts in connection with any liquidation, dissolution or winding-up of the Company.

The Company may also terminate this Agreement at any time it wishes. If it does so, the Depositary will give notice of termination to the record holders not less than 30 days before the termination date. Once Receipts are surrendered to the Depositary, it will send to each holder the number of whole or fractional shares of the series of Stock underlying that holder's Receipts.

Upon the termination of this Depositary Agreement, the Company shall be discharged from all obligations under this Deposit Agreement except for its obligations to the Depositary, any Depositary's Agent and any Registrar under Sections 5.06 and 5.07.

ARTICLE VII
Miscellaneous

SECTION 7.01. Counterparts. This Deposit Agreement may be executed in any number of counterparts, and by each of the parties hereto on separate counterparts, each of which counterparts, when so executed and delivered, shall be deemed an original, but all such counterparts taken together shall constitute one and the same instrument.

SECTION 7.02. Exclusive Benefit of Parties. This Deposit Agreement is for the exclusive benefit of the parties hereto, and their respective successors hereunder, and shall not be deemed to give any legal or equitable right, remedy or claim to any other person whatsoever.

SECTION 7.03. Invalidity of Provisions. In case any one or more of the provisions contained in this Deposit Agreement or in the Receipts should be or become invalid, illegal or unenforceable in any respect, the validity, legality and enforceability of the remaining provisions contained herein or therein shall in no way be affected, prejudiced or disturbed thereby.

SECTION 7.04. Notices. Any and all notices it be given to the Company hereunder or under the Receipts shall be in writing and shall be deemed to have been duly given if personally delivered or sent by mail or telegram, telex or telecopier confirmed by

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\ letter, addressed to the Company at [ ] to the attention of [ ], or at any other address of which the Company shall have notified the Depositary in writing.

Any and all notices to be given to the Depositary hereunder or under the Receipts shall be in writing and shall be deemed to have been duly given if personally delivered or sent by mail or by telegram, telex or telecopier confirmed by letter, addressed to the Depositary at the Depositary's Office, at
[ ], or at any other address at which the Depositary shall have notified the Company and the record holders of the Receipts in writing.

Any and all notices to be given to any record holder of a Receipt hereunder or under the Receipts shall be in writing and shall be deemed to have been duly given if personally delivered or sent by mail or by telegram, telex or telecopier confirmed by letter, addressed to such record holder at the address of such record holder as it appears on the books of the Depositary, or if such holder shall have filed with the Depositary a written request that notices intended for such holder be mailed to some other address, at the address designated in such request.

Delivery of a notice sent by mail or by telegram, telex or telecopier shall be deemed to be effected at the time when a duly addressed letter containing the same (or a confirmation thereof in the case of a telegram, telex or telecopier message) is deposited, postage prepaid, in a post office letter box. The Depositary or the Company may, however, act upon any telegram, telex or telecopier message received by it from the other or from any holder of a Receipt, notwithstanding that such telegram, telex or telecopier message shall not subsequently be confirmed by letter or as aforesaid.

SECTION 7.05. Depositary's Agents. The Depositary may from time to time appoint Depositary's Agents to act in any respect for the Depositary for the purposes of this Deposit Agreement and may at any time appoint additional Depositary's Agents and vary or terminate the appointment of such Depositary's Agents. The Depositary will notify the Company of any such action.

SECTION 7.06. Holders of Receipts Are Parties. The holders of Receipts from time to time shall be parties to this Deposit Agreement and shall be bound by all of the terms and conditions hereof and of the Receipts by acceptance of delivery thereof.

SECTION 7.07. Governing Law. This Deposit Agreement and the Receipts and all rights hereunder and thereunder and provisions hereof and thereof shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the State of New York.

SECTION 7.08. Inspection of Deposit Agreement. Copies of this Deposit Agreement shall be filed with the Depositary and the Depositary's Agents and shall be open to inspection during business hours at the Depositary's Office and the respective offices of the Depositary's Agents, if any, by any holder of a Receipt.

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SECTION 7.09. Headings. The headings of articles and sections in this Deposit Agreement and in the form of the Receipt set forth in Exhibit A hereto have been inserted for convenience only and are not to be regarded as a part of this Deposit Agreement or the Receipts or to have any bearing upon the meaning or interpretation of any provision contained herein or in the Receipts.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Company and the Depositary have duly executed this Agreement as of the day and year first above set forth, and all holders of Receipts shall become parties hereto by and upon acceptance by them of delivery of Receipts issued in accordance with the terms hereof.

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.

Attested by: By:

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Attested by:                           By:


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Exhibit A

[FORM OF FACE OF RECEIPT]

NUMBER DEPOSITARY SHARES

CERTIFICATE FOR [ ] DEPOSITARY SHARES

TDR

DEPOSITARY RECEIPT FOR DEPOSITARY SHARES, REPRESENTING
[ ] PREFERRED STOCK ($ [ ] LIQUIDATION PREFERENCE) OF
THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
INCORPORATED UNDER THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA

SEE REVERSE FOR CERTAIN DEFINITIONS CUSIP [ ]

, as Depositary (the "Depositary"), hereby certifies that [ ] is the registered owner of DEPOSITARY SHARES ("Depositary Shares"), each Depositary Share representing share of [ ] preferred stock ($ [ ] liquidation preference) (the "Stock"), of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Corporation"), on deposit with the Depositary, subject to the terms and entitled to the benefits of the Deposit Agreement dated as of [ ], (the "Deposit Agreement"), between the Corporation and the Depositary. By accepting this Depositary Receipt the holder hereof becomes a party to and agrees to be bound by all the terms and conditions of the Deposit Agreement. This Depositary Receipt shall not be valid or obligatory for any purpose or entitled to any benefits under the Deposit Agreement unless it shall have been executed by the Depositary by the manual signature of a duly authorized officer or, if executed in facsimile by the Depositary, countersigned by a Registrar in respect of the Depositary Receipts by the manual signature of a duly authorized officer thereof.

Dated: [ ]                             Countersigned: [ ]

[ ]                                    [ ]

Depositary                             Registrar
By                                     By


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Authorized Officer                     Authorized Officer

[ ]

Transfer Agent By


Authorized Officer

[FORM OF FACE OF GLOBAL RECEIPT]

NUMBER DEPOSITARY SHARES [ ]

CERTIFICATE FOR [ ] DEPOSITARY SHARES

TDR

GLOBAL DEPOSITARY RECEIPT FOR DEPOSITARY SHARES, REPRESENTING
[ ] PREFERRED STOCK ($ [ ] LIQUIDATION PREFERENCE) OF
THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
INCORPORATED UNDER THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA

SEE REVERSE FOR CERTAIN DEFINITIONS CUSIP [ ]

[ ] , as Depositary (the "Depositary"), hereby certifies that [Cede & Co.] is the registered owner of DEPOSITARY SHARES ("Depositary Shares"), each Depositary Share representing [ ] share of [ ] preferred stock ($ [ ] liquidation preference) (the "Stock"), of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Corporation"), on deposit with the Depositary, subject to the terms and entitled to the benefits of the Deposit Agreement dated as of [ ], (the "Deposit Agreement"), between the Corporation and the Depositary. By accepting this Depositary Receipt the holder hereof becomes a party to and agrees to be bound by all the terms and conditions of the Deposit Agreement. This Depositary Receipt shall not be valid or obligatory for any purpose or entitled to any benefits under the Deposit Agreement unless it shall have been executed by the Depositary by the manual signature of a duly authorized officer or, if executed in facsimile by the Depositary, countersigned by a Registrar in respect of the Depositary Receipts by the manual signature of a duly authorized officer thereof.

UNLESS THIS CERTIFICATE IS PRESENTED BY AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEPOSITORY TRUST COMPANY, A NEW YORK CORPORATION ("DTC"), TO THE ISSUER OR ITS AGENT FOR REGISTRATION OF TRANSFER, EXCHANGE OR PAYMENT, AND ANY CERTIFICATE ISSUED IS REGISTERED IN THE NAME OF CEDE & CO. OR IN SUCH OTHER NAME AS IS REQUESTED BY AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF DTC (AND ANY PAYMENT IS MADE TO CEDE & CO. OR TO SUCH OTHER ENTITY AS IS REQUESTED BY AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF DTC), ANY TRANSFER, PLEDGE, OR OTHER USE HEREOF FOR VALUE OR OTHERWISE BY OR TO ANY PERSON IS WRONGFUL INASMUCH AS THE REGISTERED OWNER HEREOF, CEDE & CO., HAS AN INTEREST HEREIN.

Dated: [ ]                             Countersigned: [ ]

[ ]                                    [ ]

Depositary                             Registrar
By                                     By


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Authorized Officer                     Authorized Officer

                                       [ ]

                                       Transfer Agent
                                       By


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                                       Authorized Officer


[FORM OF REVERSE OF [GLOBAL] RECEIPT]

The St. Paul Companies, Inc.

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC. WILL FURNISH WITHOUT CHARGE TO EACH RECEIPTHOLDER WHO SO REQUESTS A COPY OF THE DEPOSIT AGREEMENT AND A STATEMENT OR SUMMARY OF THE POWERS, DESIGNATIONS, PREFERENCES AND RELATIVE, PARTICIPATING, OPTIONAL OR OTHER SPECIAL RIGHTS OF EACH CLASS OF STOCK OR SERIES THEREOF WHICH THE CORPORATION IS AUTHORIZED TO ISSUE AND OF THE QUALIFICATIONS, LIMITATIONS OR RESTRICTIONS OF SUCH PREFERENCES AND/OR RIGHTS. ANY SUCH REQUEST IS TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE TRANSFER AGENT NAMED ON THE FACE OF THIS RECEIPT.

The following abbreviations when used in the inscription on the face of this receipt shall be construed as though they were written out in full according to applicable laws or regulations.

TEN COM - as tenants in common

UNIF GIFT MIN ACT -                  Custodian
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                         (Cust)                   (Minor)

TEN ENT - as tenants by the entireties

Under Uniform Gifts to Minors Act

JT TEN - as joint tenants with right of supervisorship and not as tenants in common


(State)

Additional abbreviations may also be used though not in the above list.

For value received, [ ] hereby sells, assigns and transfers unto [ ]

PLEASE INSERT SOCIAL SECURITY OR OTHER IDENTIFYING NUMBER OF ASSIGNEE

PLEASE PRINT OR TYPEWRITE NAME AND ADDRESS INCLUDING POSTAL ZIP CODE ASSIGNEE


[ ] Depositary Shares represented by the within Receipt, and do hereby irrevocably constitute and appoint Attorney to transfer the said Depositary Shares on the books of the within-named Depositary with full power of substitution in the premises

Dated [ ]

NOTICE: The signature to the assignment must correspond with the name as written upon the face of this Receipt in every particular, without alteration or enlargement or any change whatever.


Exhibit 4.9

WARRANT AGREEMENT

WARRANT AGREEMENT, dated as of [ ], among The St. Paul Companies, Inc. (the "Company") and [ ], as warrant agent (the "Warrant Agent").

WHEREAS, on [ ] the Company filed with the SEC a "shelf" registration statement on Form S-3. Under this registration statement the Company is authorized, inter alia, to issue, from time to time, warrants to purchase senior debt securities, subordinated debt securities, preferred stock, common stock, depositary shares or any combination of these securities. On [ ], the Company resolved to issue warrants to purchase [indicate type of securities] (the "Warrants"). The term "[ ]" as used in this Agreement refers to the [ ]
[indicate type of securities] that the Company will issue and deliver upon exercise of the Warrants in accordance with the terms and conditions set forth in the warrant certificates evidencing the Warrants (the "Warrant Certificates"), such Warrant Certificates to be substantially in the form of Exhibit A hereto; and

WHEREAS, the Company desires the Warrant Agent to act on behalf of the Company, and the Warrant Agent is so willing to act, in connection with the issuance, exchange, transfer, exercise and replacement of the Warrant Certificates, and in this Agreement wishes to set forth, among other things, the form and provisions of the Warrant Certificates (including the Global Warrant Certificates) and the terms and conditions on which they may be issued, exchanged, transferred, exercised and replaced.

NOW, THEREFORE, in consideration of these premises and other good and valuable consideration, the parties agree to their following respective obligations and rights:

1. Issuance of Warrants and Execution and Delivery of Warrant Certificates. (a) All Warrant Certificates shall be in registered form, shall contain such appropriate insertions, omissions, substitutions and other variations as are required or permitted by this Agreement and may have such letters, numbers or other marks of identification or designation and such legends or endorsements placed thereon as may, consistently herewith, be determined by a duly authorized representative of the Company (each, an "Authorized Person"), as evidenced conclusively by the execution of such Warrant Certificates and as are not inconsistent with the provisions of this Agreement, or as may be required to comply with any law or with any rule or regulation.

(b) The Warrant Agent shall, upon receipt of the Warrant Certificates duly executed on behalf of the Company, countersign one or more global warrant certificates (the "Global Warrant Certificates") evidencing the Warrants and shall, subject to paragraph (a) above, deliver such Global Warrant Certificates to or upon the written order of the Company. Subsequent to such original issuance of the Warrant Certificates, the Warrant Agent shall countersign Warrant Certificates only if such Warrant Certificates are issued in exchange or substitution for one or more previously countersigned Warrant Certificates, as the case may be, or, in connection with their transfer, as hereinafter provided or as provided in Section 6(a) or Section 18, but subject to the provisions of


Section 7. A Global Warrant Certificate shall be, and shall remain, subject to the provisions of this Agreement until such time as all of the Warrants evidenced thereby shall have been duly exercised or shall have expired or been canceled in accordance with the terms thereof.

No Warrant Certificate shall be valid for any purpose, and no Warrant evidenced thereby shall be exercisable, until such Warrant Certificate has been countersigned by the manual signature of the Warrant Agent. Such signature by the Warrant Agent upon any Warrant Certificate executed by the Company shall be conclusive evidence that such Warrant Certificate so countersigned has been duly issued hereunder.

(c) Each Warrant Certificate shall be signed on behalf of the Company by an Authorized Person. Such signature may be the manual or facsimile signature of such persons and may be imprinted or otherwise reproduced on the Warrant Certificates.

In case any Authorized Person who shall have signed any of the Warrant Certificates either manually or by facsimile signature shall cease to be an Authorized Person, before the Warrant Certificates shall have been countersigned and delivered by the Warrant Agent, such Warrant Certificates may be countersigned and delivered notwithstanding that a person who signed such Warrant Certificate ceased to be such an Authorized Person, and any Warrant Certificate may be signed on behalf of the Company by such persons as, at the actual date of the execution of such Warrant Certificate, shall be Authorized Persons, although at the date of the execution of this Agreement any such person was not such an Authorized Person.

The terms "holder", "Warrant holder" or "holder of a Warrant Certificate" as used herein shall mean any person in whose name at the time any Warrant Certificate shall be registered upon the books to be maintained by the Warrant Agent for that purpose.

2. Appointment of the Warrant Agent. The Company hereby appoints [ ] as Warrant Agent of the Company in respect of the Warrants and Warrant Certificates, upon the terms and subject to the conditions set forth herein and in the Warrant Certificates, and [ ] hereby accepts such appointment. The Warrant Agent shall have the powers and authority granted to and conferred upon it herein and in the Warrant Certificates and such further powers and authority, acceptable to it, to act on behalf of the Company as the Company may hereafter grant to or confer upon it. All the terms and provisions with respect to such powers and authority contained in the Warrant Certificates are subject to and governed by the terms and provisions hereof. The Company agrees, for the benefit of the holders from time to time of the Warrant Certificates, that there shall at all times be a Warrant Agent hereunder until the Warrants expire.

3. Exercise of Warrants. (a) Each Warrant entitles the registered owner to exercise an option to purchase, at an exercise price of U.S. $[ ], U.S. $[ ] of [ ] [indicate type of securities].

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(b) The Warrants evidenced by a Warrant Certificate may be exercised in whole or in part not earlier than [9:00 A.M., New York City time,] on [ ] and
[not later than 5:00 P.M., New York City time,] on [ ]. If a Warrant is not exercised at or before [5:00 P.M., New York City time,] on [ ], it shall become void, and all rights of the holder under Warrants and under this Agreement shall cease. [No fewer than one Warrant may be exercised per Warrant Exercise Notice (as defined below) and no fractional Warrants may be exercised.]

(c) During the period specified in Section 3(b), a Warrant, if the Warrant Certificate evidencing the same shall have been countersigned by the Warrant Agent, may be exercised by the holder thereof by (i) providing written notice of such election ("Warrant Exercise Notice") to exercise the Warrant to the Warrant Agent at [ ], "Attention: The St. Paul Companies, Inc. Warrant Exercise", or to such other address as shall be notified in accordance with the immediately following paragraph, by hand or by facsimile, no later than [noon, New York City time,] on [ ], which Warrant Exercise Notice shall be in the form of an election to purchase [ ] [indicate type of securities] substantially in the form set forth in Exhibit B hereto, properly completed and executed by the holder; provided that such written notice may only be submitted by or through persons that are direct participants in The Depository Trust Company ("DTC");
(ii) delivering, no later than [noon, New York City time,] on the Warrant Exercise Date, such Warrants to the Warrant Agent by book-entry transfer through the facilities of DTC or by delivering, no later than [noon, New York City time,] on [ ], the Warrant Certificates evidencing such Warrants to the Warrant Agent if Warrant Certificates in definitive form have been issued and delivered pursuant to Section 7; and (iii) for each Warrant exercised, paying in full, in lawful money of the United States of America, by bank wire transfer in immediately available funds [add electronic payment details] no later than
[11:00 A.M., New York City time] on [ ] (the "Settlement Date"), the exercise price of U.S. $[ ]. Any exercise of a Warrant pursuant to the terms of this paragraph (c) shall be irrevocable and shall constitute a binding agreement between the Warrant holder and the Company, enforceable in accordance with its terms.

(d) Not less than 20 days before the start of the period specified in
Section 3(b), the Warrant Agent shall notify DTC of (x) the Warrant Agent's account at DTC to which the Warrants must be delivered on the Warrant Exercise Date and (y) the address, phone number and facsimile number where holders of the Warrants can contact the Warrant Agent to which Warrant Exercise Notices are to be submitted.

(e) Approximately two weeks before the start of the period specified in
Section 3(b), the Warrant Agent shall notify holders (through the clearing system) of (1) the Warrant Agent's account at DTC to which holders must deliver Warrants on the Warrant Exercise Date, (2) the Warrant exercise procedures of DTC and (3) the address, telephone number and facsimile number where holders can contact the Warrant Agent and to which holders must submit Warrant Exercise Notices if they decide to exercise their Warrants. At such time, the Warrant Agent shall also provide then holders with a

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Warrant Exercise Notice and the pertinent instructions as to how to exercise their Warrants.

(f) [Further, at any time until the start of the period specified in
Section 3(b), the Warrant Agent shall provide [ ] (the "Dealer Manager"), which has been appointed by the Company as dealer manager to solicit holders of Warrants to exercise the Warrants, such information regarding the registered owners of the Warrants as the Dealer Manager may reasonably request and is reasonably available to the Warrant Agent, including a list of all registered owners of the Warrants known to the Warrant Agent.]

(g) The Warrant Agent shall:

(i) examine all Warrant Exercise Notices and all other documents delivered to it by or on behalf of holders as contemplated by the Warrant Certificates to ascertain whether, on their face, such Warrant Exercise Notices and any such other documents have been executed and completed in accordance with their terms and the terms of the Warrant Certificates;

(ii) determine whether the exercising Warrant holder has delivered the related Warrants to the Warrant Agent's account at DTC. In each case where a Warrant Exercise Notice or other document appears on its face to have been improperly completed or executed or some other irregularity in connection with the exercise of the Warrants exists, the Warrant Agent will endeavor to inform the appropriate parties (including the person submitting such instrument) of the need for fulfillment of all requirements, specifying those requirements which appear to be unfulfilled. Except to the extent provided in the immediately preceding sentence, the Warrant Agent shall be under no duty to give notice to any person of any irregularities in Warrant Exercise Notices, delivery of Warrants or any other document completed or executed in connection therewith nor shall it incur any liability for failure to give such notice;

(iii) inform the Company of and cooperate with and assist the Company in resolving any reconciliation problems between Warrant Exercise Notices received and delivery of Warrants to the Warrant Agent's account;

(iv) advise the Company (i) no later than [noon, New York City time, on the first New York business day following the expiration of the period specified in Section 3(b),] of receipt of any Warrant Exercise Notices and the number of Warrants exercised in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement, (ii) no later than [noon, New York City time, on the second New York business day, as applicable, following the expiration of the period specified in Section 3(b),] of the instructions

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with respect to delivery of the [ ] [indicate type of securities] deliverable upon such exercise, subject to timely receipt from DTC of the necessary information, and (iii) of such other information as the Company shall reasonably require;

(v) notify, by such time as necessary to ensure a prompt closing, DTC, with a copy to the Company, each account at DTC to be credited with [ ] [indicate type of securities] and the amount thereof to be credited to each such account; and

(vi) subject to [ ] [indicate type of securities] being made available to the Warrant Agent by or on behalf of the Company for delivery to accounts within DTC, liaise with DTC and endeavor to effect such delivery to the relevant accounts at DTC in accordance with its requirements.

(h) All questions as to the validity, form and sufficiency (including time of receipt) of a Warrant exercise will be determined by the Company in its sole discretion, which determination shall be final and binding. The Company reserves the absolute right to reject any and all Warrant Exercise Notices not in proper form or for which any corresponding agreement by the Company to exchange would, in the opinion of the Company, be unlawful. Moreover, the Company reserves the absolute right to waive any of the conditions to the exercise of Warrants or defects in Warrant Exercise Notices with regard to any particular exercise of Warrants. None of the Company and the Warrant Agent shall be under any duty to give notice to the holders of the Warrants of any irregularities in any exercise of Warrants, nor shall any of them incur any liability for the failure to give such notice.

(i) As soon as practicable after the exercise of any Warrant, but in no event later than [9:00 A.M., New York City time,] on the Settlement Date, the Company shall issue, or otherwise deliver, in authorized denominations to or upon the order of the holder of the Warrant Certificates evidencing such Warrants, by same-day credit to such holder's account at DTC or to the account of a participant in DTC, in each case designated by such holder, or by the direct participant in DTC, through which such holder is acting, in its Warrant Exercise Notice, the [ ] [indicate type of securities] to which such holder is entitled, in fully registered form, registered in such name or names as may be directed by such holder or such participant.

4. Rights of Holders. (a) No Warrant Certificate or Warrants evidenced thereby shall entitle the holder thereof to any of the rights of a holder of the
[ ] [indicate type of securities].

(b) Notwithstanding any of the provisions of this Agreement, any holder of Warrants may, without the consent of the Warrant Agent, the holder of any [ ]
[indicate type of securities] or the holder of any other Warrants, on its own behalf and on behalf of any beneficial owner for whom it is acting, enforce, and may institute and maintain any

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suit, action or proceeding against the Company suitable to enforce, or may take any other action in respect of, its right to exercise the Warrants evidenced by its Warrant Certificate in the manner provided in such Warrant Certificate and herein.

5. Registration. The Warrant Agent shall keep, at its corporate trust office, books in which, subject to such reasonable regulations as it may prescribe, it shall register the Warrant Certificates and exchanges and transfers of outstanding Warrant Certificates upon surrender of the Warrant Certificates properly endorsed or accompanied by appropriate instruments of registration of transfer and written instructions for transfer, all in form satisfactory to the Company and the Warrant Agent. No service charge shall be made for any exchange or registration of transfer of the Warrant Certificates, but the Company may require payment of a sum sufficient to cover any stamp or other tax or other governmental charge that may be imposed in connection with any such exchange or registration of transfer.

6. Exchange, Transfer, Replacement and Cancellation of Warrant Certificates. (a) Subject to Section 7, upon surrender at the corporate trust office of the Warrant Agent by hand, mail or book-entry delivery, the Warrant Certificates evidencing Warrants may be exchanged for Warrant Certificates of the same tenor and dollar amount evidencing such Warrants or the transfer thereof may be registered in whole or in part provided that such other Warrant Certificates evidence the same aggregate number of Warrants as the Warrant Certificates so surrendered. Whenever a Warrant Certificate is so surrendered for exchange or registration of transfer, an authorized officer of the Warrant Agent shall manually countersign and deliver to the person or persons entitled thereto a Warrant Certificate duly authorized and executed by the Company, as so requested. The Warrant Agent shall not be required to effect any exchange or registration of transfer which will result in the issuance of a Warrant Certificate evidencing a fraction of a Warrant. The Warrant Certificate issued upon any exchange or registration of transfer of a Warrant Certificate shall be the legal, valid and binding obligations of the Company, evidencing the same obligations and entitled to the same benefits under this Agreement, as the Warrant Certificates surrendered for such exchange or registration of transfer.

(b) Any Warrant Certificate surrendered for exchange, registration of transfer or exercise of the Warrants evidenced thereby shall if surrendered to the Company, be delivered to the Warrant Agent and all Warrant Certificates surrendered or so delivered to the Warrant Agent shall be promptly canceled by the Warrant Agent and shall not be reissued and, except as expressly permitted by this Agreement, no Warrant Certificate shall be issued hereunder in exchange or in lieu thereof. The Warrant Agent shall deliver to the Company from time to time or otherwise dispose of the canceled Warrant Certificates in its customary manner.

(c) Upon receipt by the Warrant Agent of evidence reasonably satisfactory to it of the ownership of and the loss, theft, destruction or mutilation of any Warrant Certificate and of indemnity reasonably satisfactory to it and, in the case of mutilation,

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upon surrender thereof to the Warrant Agent for cancellation, then, in the absence of notice to the Company or a responsible corporate trust officer of the Warrant Agent that such Warrant Certificate has been acquired by a bona fide purchaser, the Company shall execute, and an authorized officer of the Warrant Agent shall manually countersign and deliver, in exchange for or in lieu of the lost, stolen, destroyed or mutilated Warrant Certificate, a new Warrant Certificate of the same tenor and evidencing like Warrants. Every substitute Warrant Certificate executed and delivered pursuant to this Section in lieu of any lost, stolen or destroyed Warrant Certificate shall represent an additional contractual obligation of the Company, whether or not the lost, stolen or destroyed Warrant Certificate shall be at any time enforceable by anyone, and shall be entitled to the benefits of this Agreement equally and proportionately with any and all other Warrant Certificates duly executed and delivered hereunder. The provisions of this Section are exclusive and shall preclude (to the extent lawful) all other rights and remedies with respect to the replacement of mutilated, lost, stolen or destroyed Warrant Certificates.

(d) Upon the issuance of any new Warrant Certificate under this Section, the Company may require the payment of a sum sufficient to cover any tax or other governmental charge that may be imposed in relation thereto and any other expenses (including the fees and expenses of the Warrant Agent) in connection therewith.

(e) The holder of a Warrant Certificate, by accepting the same, consents and agrees with the Company, the Warrant Agent and with every subsequent holder of such Warrant Certificate that until the transfer of the Warrant Certificate is registered on the books of the Warrant Agent, the Company and the Warrant Agent may treat such registered holder as the absolute owner thereof for any purpose and as the person entitled to exercise the rights represented by the Warrant evidenced thereby, any notice to the contrary notwithstanding.

7. Global Securities. The Warrants shall be issued initially in the form of one or more Global Warrant Certificates that will be deposited with, or on behalf of, DTC. Global Warrant Certificates may be issued only in fully registered form and in either temporary or definitive form. Unless and until it is exchanged in whole or in part for Warrant Certificates in definitive form, a Global Warrant Certificate may not be transferred except as a whole by DTC to a nominee of DTC or by a nominee of DTC to DTC or another nominee of DTC or by DTC or any nominee of DTC to a successor depositary or any nominee of such successor.

So long as DTC, or its nominee, is the registered owner of a Global Warrant Certificate, DTC or such nominee, as the case may be, will be considered the sole owner or holder of the Warrants represented by such Global Warrant Certificate for all purposes under this Agreement. Except as specified below with respect to Warrants only, owners of beneficial interests in a Global Warrant Certificate will not be entitled to have any Warrants registered in their names, and will not receive or be entitled to receive physical delivery of any such Warrants in definitive form and will not be considered the owners or holders thereof under the Warrants or this Agreement. Neither the Company nor the

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Warrant Agent, in its capacity as registrar for such Warrants, will have any responsibility or liability for any aspect of the records relating to beneficial interests in a Global Warrant Certificate or for maintaining, supervising or reviewing any records relating to such beneficial interests.

If at any time DTC notifies the Company that it is unwilling or unable to continue as depositary for the Warrants, or if the Company notifies DTC that it will no longer continue to use DTC as depositary for the Warrants, or if at any time DTC ceases to be a clearing agency registered under the United States Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, or otherwise ceases to be eligible to be a depositary, the Company shall appoint a successor depositary with respect to the Warrants (and all references to DTC herein shall be deemed to include such successor depositary). If a successor depositary for the Warrants is not appointed by the Company within 90 days after the Company receives such notice or becomes aware of such ineligibility, the Company will execute, and the Warrant Agent upon receipt of such executed definitive Warrant Certificates will authenticate and deliver, Warrant Certificates in definitive registered form evidencing an aggregate number of Warrants equal to the aggregate number of Warrants evidenced by the Global Warrant Certificate.

The Company may at any time and in its sole discretion determine not to have any of the Warrants evidenced by Global Warrant Certificates. In such event, the Company will execute, and the Warrant Agent, upon receipt of such executed definitive Warrant Certificates, will authenticate and deliver Warrant Certificates in definitive registered form, in an aggregate amount equal to the aggregate number of Warrants evidenced by such Global Warrant Certificates.

Upon the exchange of the Global Warrant Certificates for Warrant Certificates in definitive registered form, the Global Warrant Certificates shall be canceled by the Warrant Agent.

Warrant Certificates in definitive registered form issued in exchange for the Global Warrant Certificates pursuant to this section shall be registered in such names as DTC, pursuant to instructions from its direct or indirect participants or otherwise, shall instruct the Warrant Agent or the Company. The Warrant Agent shall deliver such Warrant Certificates in definitive registered form to or as directed by the persons in whose names such definitive registered Warrant Certificates are so registered.

All Warrant Certificates in definitive registered form, issued upon the exchange of the Global Warrant Certificates, shall be valid obligations of the Company, evidencing the rights, and entitled to the same benefits under this Agreement, as the Global Warrant Certificates surrendered upon such exchange.

8. Rights of Warrant Agent. The Company shall have the following obligations to the Warrant Agent and the Warrant Agent shall have the following rights:

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(a) In acting under this Agreement and in connection with the Warrant Certificates, the Warrant Agent is acting solely as agent of the Company and does not assume any obligation towards or relationship of agency or trust for or with the owners or holders of Warrants.

(b) The Warrant Agent shall be entitled to compensation, as agreed upon with the Company, for all services rendered by it and expenses incurred in connection therewith, and the Company agrees promptly to pay such compensation and to reimburse the Warrant Agent for any agreed upon expenses incurred by the Warrant Agent in connection with the services rendered by it (as documented in an invoice setting forth such expenses).

(c) The Warrant Agent shall be entitled to consult with counsel and the opinion, written or otherwise, of such counsel shall be full and complete authorization and protection in respect of any action taken, omitted to be taken or suffered by it hereunder in good faith and in accordance with the opinion of such counsel.

(d) The Warrant Agent shall be protected and shall incur no liability for or in respect of any action taken or omitted to be taken or anything suffered by it in reliance upon the Warrants, any Warrant Certificate, the [ ]
[indicate type of securities] or any notice, direction, consent, certificate, affidavit, statement or other paper or document (whether in its original or facsimile form) reasonably believed by it to be genuine and to have been passed or signed by the proper parties.

(e) The Warrant Agent or any of its officers, directors and employees may become the beneficial owner of, or acquire an interest in, Warrants or [ ]
[indicate type of securities]with the same rights that it would have if it were not the Warrant Agent hereunder, and to the extent permitted by applicable law, may engage in or be interested in any financial or other transaction with the Company, and may act on behalf of, or as depositary, trustee or agent for, any committee or body of beneficial owners of the Warrants, the [ ] [indicate type of securities], or other obligations of the Company, as freely as if it were not the Warrant Agent hereunder.

(f) The recitals contained herein and in the Warrant Certificates (except in the Warrant Agent's certificate of authentication on the Warrant Certificates) shall be taken as the statements of the Company and the Warrant Agent assumes no responsibility for the correctness of the same. The Warrant Agent makes no representation as to the validity or sufficiency of this Agreement or the Warrant Certificates except for the due authorization of the Warrant Agent to execute this Agreement.

(g) The Warrant Agent shall be obligated to perform such duties and only such duties as are herein and in the Warrant Certificates specifically set forth and no implied duties or obligations shall be read into this Agreement or the Warrant Certificates against the Warrant Agent. The Warrant Agent shall not be under any obligation to take any action hereunder which may tend to involve it in any reimbursable expense or

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liability, the payment of which within a reasonable time is not in its reasonable opinion, assured to it.

(h) Unless otherwise specifically provided herein or in the Warrant Certificates, any order, certificate, notice, request, direction or other communication from the Company made or given by the Company under any provision of this Agreement shall be sufficient if signed by an Authorized Person of the Company.

(i) If the Warrant Agent shall receive any notice or demand (other than notice of or demand for exercise of Warrants) addressed to the Company by the holder of the Warrant Certificates pursuant to the provisions of the Warrant Certificates, the Warrant Agent shall promptly forward such notice or demand to the Company.

(j) The Warrant Agent may at any time resign as Warrant Agent, by giving written notice to the Company of such intention on its part, mailed to the Company at its address set forth in Section 12, specifying the date on which its desired resignation shall become effective; provided, however, that such date shall never be less than 90 days after the date of receipt of such notice by the Company unless the Company agrees to accept shorter notice. The Warrant Agent may be removed at any time by the filing with it of an instrument in writing signed by an Authorized Person of the Company and specifying such removal and the date when it is intended to become effective. Such resignation or removal shall take effect upon the date of the appointment by the Company, as hereinafter provided, of a successor Warrant Agent (which shall be a bank or trust company authorized under the laws of the jurisdiction of its incorporation to exercise corporate trust powers) and the acceptance of such appointment by the successor Warrant Agent. If a successor Warrant Agent is not appointed by the Company within 90 days after the resignation of the Warrant Agent, the Warrant Agent shall be entitled to petition at the expense of the Company a court of competent jurisdiction for appointment of a successor Warrant Agent. Upon its resignation or removal, the Warrant Agent shall be entitled to the payment by the Company of its compensation for the services rendered hereunder and to the reimbursement of all reasonable and duly documented out-of-pocket expenses (including reasonable and duly documented counsel fees) incurred in connection with the services rendered hereunder (as described in Section 8(b)). The indemnity described in Section 9 shall survive any resignation or removal of the Warrant Agent or the termination of this Agreement.

(k) In case at any time the Warrant Agent shall resign, or shall be removed, or shall become incapable of acting, or shall be adjudged a bankrupt or insolvent, or shall file a voluntary petition in bankruptcy or make an assignment for the benefit of its creditors or consent to the appointment of a receiver of all or any substantial part of its property or affairs or shall generally not pay its debts as such debts become due, or shall admit in writing its inability to pay or meet its debts generally as they become due, or if an order of any court shall be entered approving any petition filed by or against the Warrant Agent under the provisions of bankruptcy laws or any similar legislation, or if a receiver, trustee or other similar official of it or of all or any substantial part of its

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property shall be appointed, or if any public officer shall take charge or control of it or of its property or affairs, for the purpose of rehabilitation, conservation, protection, relief, winding up or liquidation, a successor Warrant Agent shall be appointed by the Company by an instrument in writing, filed with the successor Warrant Agent. Upon the appointment as aforesaid of a successor Warrant Agent and acceptance by it of such appointment, the Warrant Agent so superseded shall, if not previously disqualified by operation of law, cease to be the Warrant Agent hereunder.

(l) Any successor Warrant Agent appointed hereunder shall execute, acknowledge and deliver to its predecessor and to the Company an instrument accepting such appointment hereunder, and thereupon such successor Warrant Agent, without any further act, deed or conveyance, shall become vested with all the authority, rights, powers, trusts, immunities, duties and obligations of such predecessor with like effect as if originally named as Warrant Agent hereunder, and such predecessor, upon payment of its charges and disbursements then unpaid, shall thereupon become obligated to transfer, deliver and pay over, and such successor Warrant Agent shall be entitled to receive all moneys, securities, records or other property on deposit with or held by such predecessor, as Warrant Agent hereunder.

(m) Any corporation or bank into which the Warrant Agent may be merged or converted, or any corporation or bank with which the Warrant Agent may be consolidated, or any corporation or bank resulting from any merger, conversion or consolidation to which the Warrant Agent shall be a party, or any corporation or bank to which the Warrant Agent shall sell or otherwise transfer all or substantially all the assets and business of the Warrant Agent, or any corporation or bank to which the Warrant Agent shall sell or otherwise transfer all or substantially all its corporate trust business, provided that it shall be qualified as aforesaid, shall be the successor to the Warrant Agent under this Agreement without the execution or filing of any document or any further act on the part of any of the parties hereto.

(n) the Warrant Agent:

(i) need not act on any notice given under this Agreement by the Company or any other person which is received orally until it has been confirmed in writing;

(ii) is authorized to communicate with any person from whom an exercise of Warrants is received but is not obliged to do so, if it reasonably believes to do so would breach laws or regulations relating to the sale of securities in a jurisdiction; and

(iii) is authorized to cooperate with and to furnish any organization (and its representatives) designated from time to time by the Company in any manner reasonably requested by it in connection with the exercise of the Warrants and any exercises thereunder; and will not be

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responsible for procuring, nor liable for the consequences of, any transfers of Warrants in any accounts.

(o) The Warrant Agent shall have no responsibility for failing to provide information or to take any action hereunder or by a time specified hereunder if such failure is attributable (directly or indirectly) to any failure on the part of DTC to provide in a form satisfactory to it any confirmations or other information required by it to carry out its functions hereunder and it may rely conclusively without investigation on any such information provided by any such entity.

(p) The Warrant Agent shall not be bound to make any investigation into the facts or matters stated in any resolution, certificate, statement, instrument, opinion, report, notice, request, direction, consent, order, bond, debenture, note, other evidence of indebtedness or other paper or document.

(q) The rights, privileges, protections, immunities and benefits given to the Warrant Agent, including, without limitation, its right to be indemnified, are extended to, and shall be enforceable by, the Warrant Agent in each of its capacities hereunder, and to each agent, custodian and other person employed to act hereunder.

9. Indemnity. The Company shall indemnify the Warrant Agent for, and hold it harmless against, any loss, liability or expense (including the costs and expenses of defending any claim of liability) incurred without negligence, bad faith, or willful misconduct of the Warrant Agent or its respective employees, directors, officers, or agents in connection with its acting as its respective duties hereunder.

10. Taxes. The Company will pay all stamp taxes or other duties, if any, which may be imposed by the United States of America, or any political subdivision or taxing authority thereof or therein, with respect to the execution or delivery of this Agreement or the issuance of a Warrant Certificate. The Company shall not be required to pay any stamp or other tax or other governmental charge required to be paid in connection with any transfer involved in the issuance of the [ ] [indicate type of securities]; and if any such transfer is involved, the Company shall not be required to issue or deliver any [ ] [indicate type of securities] until such tax or other charge shall have been paid or provided for or it has been established to the Company's satisfaction that no such tax or other charge is due.

11. Amendments. This Agreement may be amended or supplemented by the parties hereto, without the consent of the holder of any Warrant Certificate, for the purpose of curing any ambiguity or of curing, correcting or supplementing any defective provision contained herein, or in any manner which the parties may mutually deem necessary or desirable and which shall not adversely affect the interests of the holders of the Warrant Certificates. The Warrant Agent shall promptly notify in writing each holder of any such amendment and deliver a copy of such amendment to any holder who shall so request in writing, all at the cost of the Company.

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12. Notices. Any communication required to be given shall be given to the parties hereto as follows:

If to the Company:                        The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
                                          [ ]
                                          Fax:  [ ]
                                          Attention: [ ]

If to the Warrant Agent:                  [ ]
                                          Fax:  [ ]
                                          Attention:  [ ]

(or such other address as shall be specified in writing by the relevant party to the other parties hereto.)

Communications between the Company and the Warrant Agent shall be delivered by hand, facsimile or sent by courier. Any notice to the holders of the Warrants which by any provision of this Warrant Agreement is required or permitted to be given shall be given by first class mail postage prepaid at such holder's address as it appears on the books of the Warrant Agent. Communications between the Company and the Warrant Agent shall be deemed to be effective on receipt, for which purpose any communication shall, if sent by facsimile, be deemed to have been received at the time of dispatch and, if sent by courier, be deemed to have been received after 2 days. Communications to Warrant holders shall be deemed to be effective at the time of dispatch or mailing.

13. Delivery of Prospectus. To the extent required by law, the Company will furnish to the Warrant Agent copies of a prospectus contained in a Registration Statement declared effective under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Act"), and any necessary prospectus supplement relating to the [ ]
[indicate type of securities] deliverable upon exercise of any Warrants (collectively the "Prospectus") in such quantity as requested by the exercising Warrant holder, the Warrant Agent agrees that upon receipt of a Warrant Exercise Notice from any holder, the Warrant Agent will as soon as practicable deliver to such holder, if instructed by the Company that such delivery is required by law or upon request of such holder, prior to the Warrant Exercise Date, a Prospectus, all at the cost of the Company.

14. Obtaining of Governmental Approvals. The Company will from time to time take all action which may be necessary to obtain and keep effective any and all consents and approvals of governmental agencies and authorities and securities acts filings under United States Federal and State laws which may be or become requisite in connection with the issuance, sale, transfer, and delivery of the Warrants, the Warrant Certificates, the exercise of the Warrants, the issuance, sale, transfer and delivery of the [ ] [indicate type of securities] issuable upon exercise of the Warrants or upon the

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expiration of the period during which the Warrants are exercisable. The Company covenants that it will obtain all necessary governmental authorizations which may be required to issue the [ ] [indicate type of securities] upon exercise of the Warrants and the Company will issue the [ ] [indicate type of securities] pursuant to registration under the Act.

15. Headings. The descriptive headings of the several Articles and Sections of this Agreement are inserted for convenience only and shall not control or affect the meaning or construction of any of the provisions hereof.

16. Governing Law. This Agreement, the Warrants and the Warrant Certificates shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.

17. Persons Having Rights under Warrant Agreement. Nothing in this Agreement expressed or implied and nothing that may be inferred from any of the provisions hereof is intended, or shall be construed, to confer upon, or give to, any person or corporation other than the Company, the Warrant Agent and the holder of any Warrants any right, remedy or claim under or by reason of this Agreement or of any covenant, condition, stipulation, promise or agreement hereof, and all covenants, conditions, stipulations promises and agreements in this Agreement contained shall be for the sole and exclusive benefit of the Company, the Warrant Agent and its successors and holders of the Warrants.

18. Further Issues. The Company may from time to time, without notice to or the consent of the registered holders of Warrants, create and issue further Warrants identical with the Warrants in all respects and so that such further warrants shall be consolidated and form a single series with the Warrants and shall have the same terms as to status, exercise or otherwise as the Warrants. The issuance of such further warrants shall be pursuant to an agreement supplemental hereto.

19. Counterparts. This Agreement may be executed in or by separate counterparts, and by each party separately on a separate counterpart, each such counterpart, when so executed and delivered, to be an original. Such counterparts shall together constitute but one and the same instrument.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have, by duly authorized directors, officers or attorneys-in-fact, executed this Agreement as of the date first above written.

The St. Paul Companies, Inc.

By:

Name:


Title:

[ ], as Warrant Agent

By:

Name:


Title:

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Exhibit A

[FORM OF WARRANT CERTIFICATE]

[IF THE WARRANT CERTIFICATE IS TO BE A GLOBAL WARRANT CERTIFICATE,

INSERT-- This Warrant Certificate is a Global Warrant Certificate within the meaning of the Warrant Agreement hereinafter referred to and is registered in the name of The Depository Trust Company ("DTC") or a nominee of DTC. Unless and until it is exchanged in whole or in part for Warrants in definitive registered form, this Warrant Certificate may not be transferred except as a whole by DTC to a nominee of DTC or by a nominee of DTC to DTC or another nominee of DTC or by DTC or any such nominee to a successor depositary or a nominee of such successor depositary).

Unless this Warrant Certificate is presented by an authorized representative of DTC ([ ] [indicate address of the depositary company]) to the Warrant Agent or its agents for registration of transfer, exchange or payment, and any Warrant issued is registered in the name of Cede & Co. or such other name as requested by an authorized representative of DTC and any payment hereon is made to Cede & Co. or such other entity as is requested by an authorized representative of DTC, ANY TRANSFER, PLEDGE OR OTHER USE HEREOF FOR VALUE OR OTHERWISE BY A PERSON IS WRONGFUL inasmuch as the registered owner hereof, Cede & Co., has an interest herein.]

The Warrants evidenced hereby are exercisable only if countersigned by the Warrant Agent as provided herein.

VOID IF NOT EXERCISED BY [5:00 P.M., NEW YORK CITY TIME,] ON [ ].

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THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC. WARRANT CERTIFICATE

CUSIP NO.: [_________]
ISIN NO.: [_________] [________] Warrants

This certifies that [CEDE & CO.] or its registered assigns (the "Registered Holder") is the registered owner of the above Warrants. Each Warrant entitles the registered owner to exercise, [commencing at 9:00 A.M., New York City] on [ ] [but no later than 5:00 P.M., New York City time,] on [ ], an option to purchase, at an exercise price of U.S. $[ ], [ ] of [ ]
[indicate type of securities] (the "[ ]") of The St. Paul Companies, Inc. (the "Company"). The [ ] [indicate type of securities] will be issued and delivered by the Company on [ ]. The holder may exercise the Warrants evidenced hereby in whole or in part during the period herein specified, provided, that [no fewer than one Warrant may be exercised per Warrant Exercise Notice and no fractional Warrants may be exercised,] by (i) providing written notice of such election to exercise such Warrants ("Warrant Exercise Notice") to the Warrant Agent at [ ], "Attention: The St. Paul Companies, Inc. Warrant Exercise", or such other address of the Warrant Agent as the Warrant Holders may be notified of by the Company prior to [ ], by hand or facsimile, no later than [5:00 P.M., New York City time,] on the [ ], which Warrant Exercise Notice shall be in the form of an election to purchase [ ] [indicate type of securities] substantially in the form set forth as Exhibit B to the Warrant Agreement, properly completed and executed by the holder; (ii) delivering, no later than [5:00 P.M., New York City time,] on [ ], such Warrants to the Warrant Agent by book-entry transfer through the facilities of DTC or by delivering, no later than [5:00 P.M., New York City time,] on [ ], the Warrant Certificates evidencing such Warrants to the Warrant Agent if Warrant Certificates in definitive form have been issued and delivered pursuant to Section 7 of the Warrant Agreement and (iii) for each Warrant exercised, paying in full, in lawful money of the United States of America, by bank wire transfer in immediately available funds no later than
[11:00 A.M., New York City time] on [ ] (the "Settlement Date"), the exercise price of U.S. $[ ].

This Warrant Certificate is issued pursuant to and in accordance with a Warrant Agreement, dated as of [ ] (the "Warrant Agreement") between the Company and the Warrant Agent and is subject to the terms and provisions contained therein to all of which terms and provisions the holder consents by acceptance hereof. Copies of the Warrant Agreement are on file at the above-mentioned office of the Warrant Agent. Capitalized terms used in this Warrant Certificate and not defined herein will have the respective meanings given such terms in the Warrant Agreement.

This Warrant Certificate may be transferred at the corporate trust office of the Warrant Agent by the Registered Holder or its assigns, in person or by an attorney duly authorized in writing, in the manner and subject to the limitations provided in the Warrant Agreement.

After countersignature by the Warrant Agent and prior to the expiration of the Warrants, this Warrant Certificate may be exchanged at the corporate trust office of the Warrant Agent for one or more Warrant Certificates, representing the same number of Warrants of the same tenor.

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This Warrant Certificate shall not entitle the Registered Holder to any of the rights of a holder of the [ ] [indicate type of securities].

Unless the certificate of authentication hereon has been executed by the Warrant Agent by the manual signature of one of its duly authorized officers, this Warrant Certificate shall not be valid or obligatory for any purpose.

Dated: [ ]

The St. Paul Companies, Inc.

By:
Name:
Title:

Authenticated by
[ ]
as Warrant Agent without recourse,
warranty or liability

By:

Authorized Signature

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Exhibit B

[FORM OF WARRANT EXERCISE NOTICE]

[TO BE COMPLETED BY DIRECT PARTICIPANT
IN DTC]

The St. Paul Companies, Inc.

Warrants to Purchase [ ] [indicate type of securities]

TO BE EXECUTED UPON EXERCISE OF WARRANTS

The undersigned hereby irrevocably elects to exercise the number of Warrants set forth below. Each Warrant entitles the registered owner to exercise, [commencing at 9:00 A.M., New York City time] [ ], [but no later than 5:00 P.M., New York City time,] on [ ], an option to purchase, at an exercise price of $[ ], $[ ] newly issued [ ] [indicate type of securities] (the "[ ]") of The St. Paul Companies, Inc. (the Company"). The undersigned represents, warrants and promises that (1) it has delivered or will deliver no later than
[5:00 P.M., New York time,] on [ ] the number of Warrants specified below to the Warrant Agent's account at DTC by book-entry transfer; (2) it has the full power and authority to exercise and deliver the Warrants exercised hereby; and (3)
[payment details] no later than [11:00 A.M., New York City time] on [ ] (the "Settlement Date"), the exercise price of U.S. $[ ] for each Warrant exercised hereby.

The undersigned requests that the principal amount of Warrants exercised hereby be in registered form in the authorized denominations, registered in such names and delivered, all as specified in accordance with the instructions set forth below; provided, that if the [ ] [indicate type of securities] are evidenced by global securities, the [ ] [indicate type of securities] shall be registered in the name of DTC or its nominee.

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Dated:  [           ]
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NOTE:      THIS EXERCISE NOTICE MUST BE DELIVERED TO [ ],     WHERE YOU CAN CONTACT THE WARRANT AGENT AND TO WHICH
           THE WARRANT AGENT, PRIOR TO [5:00 P.M., NEW        WARRANT EXERCISE NOTICES ARE TO BE SUBMITTED.  YOU MAY
           YORK CITY TIME,] ON [ ]. THE WARRANT AGENT         NOT SUBMIT YOUR WARRANT EXERCISE NOTICE OR DELIVER
           SHALL NOTIFY YOU (THROUGH THE CLEARING SYSTEM)     YOUR WARRANTS UNTIL [9:00 A.M., NEW YORK CITY TIME,]
           OF (1) THE WARRANT AGENT'S ACCOUNT AT DTC TO       ON [ ].  WARRANT EXERCISE NOTICES WILL ONLY BE VALID IF
           WHICH YOU MUST DELIVER YOUR WARRANTS ON THE        DELIVERED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS SET
           EXERCISE DATE AND (2) THE ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER    FORTH IN THIS NOTIFICATION (OR AS OTHERWISE DIRECTED),
           AND FACSIMILE NUMBER                               MARKED TO THE ATTENTION OF "THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES,
                                                              INC. WARRANT EXERCISE".

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NAME OF DTC DIRECT PARTICIPANT:                              WARRANT HOLDER DELIVERING WARRANTS, IF OTHER THAN THE
__________________________________________________           DIRECT DTC PARTICIPANT DELIVERING THIS WARRANT EXERCISE
                      (PLEASE PRINT)                         NOTICE
ADDRESS: _________________________________________
                  ________________________________           NAME:___________________________________________________
                                                                                  (PLEASE PRINT)
CONTACT NAME: ____________________________________
                                                             ADDRESS:________________________________________________
TELEPHONE (INCLUDING INTERNATIONAL CODE):_________
                                                                        _____________________________________________
FAX (INCLUDING INTERNATIONAL CODE):  _____________
__________________________________________________           CONTACT NAME:___________________________________________

SOCIAL SECURITY OR OTHER TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION             TELEPHONE (INCLUDING INTERNATIONAL CODE):_______________
NUMBER (IF APPLICABLE):___________________________                  _________________________________________________

                                                             FAX (INCLUDING INTERNATIONAL CODE):_____________________

                                                             ________________________________________________________


                                                             SOCIAL SECURITY OR OTHER TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBER
                                                             (IF APPLICABLE):________________________________________

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ACCOUNT FROM WHICH WARRANTS ARE BEING DELIVERED:             ACCOUNT TO WHICH THE [ ] [indicate type of securities]
                                                             ARE TO BE CREDITED:
 DTC Account No._________________________________
                                                               DTC Account No._____________________________________

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FILL IN FOR DELIVERY OF [ ] [indicate type of securities], IF OTHER THAN TO THE PERSON DELIVERING THIS WARRANT EXERCISE NOTICE:

Name:______________________________________________________


(Please Print)

Address:___________________________________________________


Contact Name:______________________________________________

Telephone (including international code):__________________


Fax (including international code):________________________


Social Security or Other Taxpayer Identification Number (if applicable):___________________________________________



Number of Warrants Being Exercised[ (at least [two])]:_________________________

(ONLY ONE EXERCISE PER WARRANT EXERCISE NOTICE)

Signature____________________________________________

Name:________________________________________________

Capacity in which Signing:___________________________


Exhibit 4.13

CERTIFICATE OF TRUST
OF ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II

The undersigned, the trustees of St. Paul Capital Trust II, desiring to form a business trust pursuant to Delaware Business Trust Act, 12 Del. C. Section 3801 et. seq., hereby certify as follow:

(a) The name of the business trust being formed hereby (the "Trust") is "St. Paul Capital Trust II."

(b) The name and business address of the trustee of the Trust which has its principal place of business in the State of Delaware is as follows:

Chase Manhattan Bank USA, National Association c/o J.P. Morgan Chase
Attn: Institutional Trust Services 500 Stanton Christiana Road
Newark, DE 19713

(c) This Certificate of Trust may be executed in one or more counterparts, all of which together shall constitute one and the same instrument.

(d) This Certificate of Trust shall be effective as of its filing.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned, being all of the initial trustees of the Trust, have executed this Certificate of Trust.

CHASE MANHATTAN BANK USA,
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION,
as Trustee

By: /s/ John Cashin
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    Name:  John Cashin
    Title: Vice President


By: /s/ Bruce A. Backberg
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    Name:  Bruce A. Backberg, as Trustee


Exhibit 4.14

DECLARATION OF TRUST

This DECLARATION OF TRUST, dated as of November 14, 2001 (this "Declaration of Trust") between The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Sponsor"), and Chase Manhattan Bank USA, National Association, a national bank with its principle office in the State of Delaware, as Delaware trustee (the "Delaware Trustee"), and Bruce A. Backberg, as trustee (the "Administrative Trustee", and, together with the Delaware Trustee, the "Trustees"). The Sponsor and the Trustees hereby agree as follows:

1. The trust created hereby (the "Trust") shall be known as "St. Paul Capital Trust II" in which name the Trustees, or the Sponsor to the extent provided herein, may engage in the transactions contemplated hereby, make and execute contracts, and sue and be sued.

2. The Sponsor hereby assigns, transfers, conveys and sets over to the Trustees the sum of $100. The Administrative Trustee hereby acknowledges receipt of such amount in trust from the Sponsor, which amount shall constitute the initial trust estate. The Administrative Trustee hereby declares that it will hold the trust estate in trust for the Sponsor. It is the intention of the parties hereto that the Trust created hereby constitutes a business trust under Chapter 38 of Title 12 of the Delaware Code, 12 Del. C. Section 3801 et seq. (the "Business Trust Act"), and that this document constitutes the governing instrument of the Trust. The Trustees are hereby authorized and directed to execute and file a certificate of trust with the Secretary of State of the State of Delaware in accordance with the provisions of the Business Trust Act.

3. The Sponsor and the Trustees will enter into an Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust, satisfactory to each such party and substantially in the form included as an exhibit to the 1933 Act Registration Statement (as defined below), to provide for the contemplated operation of the Trust created hereby and the issuance of the Preferred Securities referred to therein. Prior to the

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execution and delivery of such Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust, (i) the Delaware Trustee shall not have any duty or obligation hereunder or with respect to the trust estate, except as otherwise required by applicable law, and
(ii) the Administrative Trustee and the Sponsor shall take any action as may be necessary to obtain prior to such execution and delivery any licenses, consents or approvals required by applicable law or otherwise. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Trustees may take all actions deemed proper as are necessary to effect the transactions contemplated herein.

4. The Sponsor hereby agrees to (i) reimburse the Delaware Trustee for all reasonable expenses (including reasonable fees and expenses of counsel and other experts), (ii) indemnify, defend and hold harmless the Delaware Trustee and any of the officers, directors, employees and agent of the Delaware Trustee (collectively, including the Delaware Trustee in its individual capacity, the "Indemnified Persons") from and against any and all losses, damages, liabilities, claims, actions, suits, costs, expenses, disbursements (including the reasonable fees and expenses of counsel), taxes and penalties of any kind and nature whatsoever (collectively, "Expenses"), to the extent that such Expenses arise out of or are imposed upon or asserted at any time against such Indemnified Persons with respect to the performance of this Declaration, the creation, operation, administration or termination of the Trust, or the transactions contemplated hereby; provided, however, that the Sponsor shall not be required to indemnify any Indemnified Person for Expenses to the extent such Expenses result from the willful misconduct, bad faith or negligence of such Indemnified Person, and (iii) advance to such Indemnified Person Expenses (including reasonable legal fees) incurred by such Indemnified Person in defending any claim, demand, action, suit or proceeding prior to the final disposition of such claim, demand, action, suit or proceeding upon receipt by the Sponsor of an undertaking by or on behalf of the Indemnified Person to repay such amount if it shall be determined that the Indemnified Person is not entitled to be indemnified therefor under this Section 4.

5. The Sponsor, as the sponsor of the Trust, is hereby authorized, in its discretion (i) to file with the Securities and Exchange Commission (the "Commission") and execute, in each case on behalf of the Trust, (a) a

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registration statement on Form S-3 (the "1933 Act Registration Statement"), including any pre-effective or post-effective amendments thereto (including the prospectus, prospectus supplements and the exhibits contained therein), and any registration statement filed pursuant to Rule 462 under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "1933 Act"), relating to the registration under the 1933 Act of the Preferred Securities of the Trust and certain other securities and
(b) a Registration Statement on Form 8-A (the "1934 Act Registration Statement"), including any pre-effective and post-effective amendments thereto, relating to the registration of the Preferred Securities of the Trust under
Section 12(b) or 12(g) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended; (ii) to file with the New York Securities Exchange or any other national stock exchange or The Nasdaq National Market (each, an "Exchange") and execute on behalf of the Trust one or more listing applications and all other applications, statements, certificates, agreements and other instruments as shall be necessary or desirable to cause the Preferred Securities to be listed on any of the Exchanges; (iii) to file and execute on behalf of the Trust such applications, reports, surety bonds, irrevocable consents, appointments of attorney for service of process and other papers and documents as shall be necessary or desirable to register the Preferred Securities under the securities or blue sky laws of such jurisdictions as the Sponsor on behalf of the Trust, may deem necessary or desirable; and (iv) to execute, deliver and perform on behalf of the Trust that certain Underwriting Agreement relating to the Preferred Securities, among the Trust, the Sponsor and the several Underwriters named therein, substantially in the form included as an exhibit to the 1933 Act Registration Statement. In the event that any filing referred to in clauses (i),
(ii) and (iii) above is required by the rules and regulations of the Commission, an Exchange or state securities or blue sky laws, to be executed on behalf of the Trust by any of the Trustees, each of the Trustees, in its capacity as a trustee of the Trust, is hereby authorized and directed to join in any such filing and to execute on behalf of the Trust any and all of the foregoing. In connection with the filings referred to above, the Sponsor hereby constitutes and appoints Bruce A. Backberg and Thomas Bergmann and each of them, as its true

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and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for the Sponsor or in the Sponsor's name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the 1933 Act Registration Statement (and any registration statement filed pursuant to Rule 462 promulgated pursuant to the 1933 Act) and the 1934 Act Registration Statement and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and other documents in connection therewith, with the Commission, any Exchange and administrators of state securities or blue sky laws, granting unto said attorney-in-fact and agents full power and authority to do and perform each and every act and thing requisite and necessary to be done in connection therewith, as fully to all intents and purposes as the Sponsor might or could do in person, thereby ratifying and confirming all that said attorneys-in-fact and agents or any of them, or their respective substitute or substitutes, shall do or cause to be done by virtue hereof.

6. The Delaware Trustee shall take such action or refrain from taking such action under this Declaration as it may be directed in writing by the Sponsor from time to time; provided, however, that the Delaware Trustee shall not be required to take or refrain from taking any such action if it shall have determined, or shall have been advised by counsel, that such performance is likely to involve the Delaware Trustee in personal liability or is contrary to the terms of this Declaration or of any document contemplated hereby to which the Trust or the Delaware Trustee is a party or is otherwise contrary to law. If at any time the Delaware Trustee determines that it requires or desires guidance regarding the application of any provision of this Declaration or any other document, then the Delaware Trustee may deliver a notice to the Sponsor requesting written instructions as to the course of action desired by the Sponsor, and such instructions shall constitute full and complete authorization and protection for actions taken by the Delaware Trustee in reliance thereon. If the Delaware Trustee does not receive such instructions it may refrain from taking any action with respect to the matters described in such notice to the Sponsor.

7. This Declaration of Trust may be executed in one or more counterparts.

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8. The number of Trustees initially shall be two (2) and thereafter the number of Trustees shall be such number as shall be fixed from time to time by a written instrument signed by the Sponsor which may increase or decrease the number of Trustees; provided, however, that to the extent required by the Business Trust Act, one Trustee shall either be a natural person who is a resident of the State of Delaware or, if not a natural person, an entity which has its principal place of business in the State of Delaware and otherwise meets the requirements of applicable Delaware law. Subject to the foregoing, the Sponsor is entitled to appoint or remove without cause any Trustee at any time. A Trustee may resign upon thirty (30) days' prior notice to the Sponsor.

9. This Declaration of Trust shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the internal laws of the State of Delaware.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have caused this Declaration of Trust to be duly executed as of the day and year first above written.

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.,
as Sponsor

By: /s/ Bruce A. Backberg
    -------------------------------------
    Name:  Bruce A. Backberg
    Title: Senior Vice President

CHASE MANHATTAN BANK USA, NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION, as Delaware Trustee

By: /s/ John Cashin
    -------------------------------------
    Name:  John Cashin
    Title: Vice President


    /s/ Bruce A. Backberg
    -------------------------------------
    Name:  Bruce A. Backberg,
           as Administrative Trustee

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Exhibit 4.15


AMENDED AND RESTATED DECLARATION OF TRUST

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II

DATED AS OF _________, 200__



CROSS-REFERENCE TABLE*

Section of Trust Indenture                                                                                 Section of
Act of 1939, as amended                                                                                   Declaration
--------------------------                                                                         ------------------
310(a)..............................................................................                              5.3
310(b)..............................................................................                   5.3(c); 5.3(d)
311(a)..............................................................................                           2.2(b)
311(b)..............................................................................                           2.2(b)
312(a)..............................................................................                           2.2(a)
312(b)..............................................................................                           2.2(b)
313.................................................................................                              2.3
314(a)..............................................................................              2.4; 2.7(b); 3.6(i)
314(b)..............................................................................                              2.5
315(a)..............................................................................                      3.6(i); 3.9
315(b)..............................................................................                           2.7(a)
315(c)..............................................................................                           3.9(a)
315(d)..............................................................................                           3.9(b)
316(a)..............................................................................                              2.6
316(c)..............................................................................                           3.9(e)
317(a)..............................................................................                   3.8(e); 3.8(h)
317(b)..............................................................................                      3.8(j); 7.3
318.................................................................................                              2.1


* This Cross-Reference Table does not constitute part of this Declaration and shall not affect the interpretation of any of its terms or provisions.


TABLE OF CONTENTS

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                                                    ARTICLE I
                                         INTERPRETATION AND DEFINITIONS

SECTION 1.1  Definitions.......................................................................................1

                                                   ARTICLE II
                                               TRUST INDENTURE ACT

SECTION 2.1  Trust Indenture Act: Application..................................................................7
SECTION 2.2  Lists of Holders of Securities....................................................................7
SECTION 2.3  Reports by the Institutional Trustee..............................................................8
SECTION 2.4  Periodic Reports to Institutional Trustee.........................................................8
SECTION 2.5  Evidence of Compliance with Conditions Precedent..................................................8
SECTION 2.6  Events of Default: Waiver.........................................................................8
SECTION 2.7  Event of Default: Notice.........................................................................10

                                                  ARTICLE III
                                                  ORGANIZATION

SECTION 3.1  Name.............................................................................................11
SECTION 3.2  Office...........................................................................................11
SECTION 3.3  Declaration......................................................................................11
SECTION 3.4  Authority........................................................................................11
SECTION 3.5  Title to Property of the Trust...................................................................12
SECTION 3.6  Powers and Duties of the Regular Trustees........................................................12
SECTION 3.7  Prohibition of Actions by the Trust and the Trustees.............................................15
SECTION 3.8  Powers and Duties of the Institutional Trustee...................................................15
SECTION 3.9  Certain Duties and Responsibilities of the Institutional Trustee.................................17
SECTION 3.10  Certain Rights of Institutional Trustee.........................................................19
SECTION 3.11  Delaware Trustee................................................................................21
SECTION 3.12  Execution of Documents..........................................................................21
SECTION 3.13  Not Responsible for Recitals or Issuance of Securities..........................................22
SECTION 3.14  Duration of Trust...............................................................................22
SECTION 3.15  Mergers.........................................................................................22

                                                   ARTICLE IV
                                                    SPONSOR

SECTION 4.1  Sponsor's Purchase of Common Securities..........................................................24
SECTION 4.2  Responsibilities of the Sponsor..................................................................24
SECTION 4.3  Guarantee of Payment of Trust Obligations........................................................25

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                                                    ARTICLE V
                                                    TRUSTEES

SECTION 5.1  Number of Trustees...............................................................................25
SECTION 5.2  Delaware Trustee.................................................................................26
SECTION 5.3  Institutional Trustee: Eligibility...............................................................26
SECTION 5.4  Qualifications of Regular Trustees and Delaware Trustee Generally................................27
SECTION 5.5  Initial Trustees: Additional Powers of Regular Trustees..........................................27
SECTION 5.6  Appointment, Removal and Resignation of Trustees.................................................28
SECTION 5.7  Vacancies among Trustees.........................................................................29
SECTION 5.8  Effect of Vacancies..............................................................................30
SECTION 5.9  Meetings.........................................................................................30
SECTION 5.10  Delegation of Power.............................................................................30
SECTION 5.11  Merger, Conversion, Consolidation or Succession to Business.....................................31

                                                   ARTICLE VI
                                                 DISTRIBUTIONS

SECTION 6.1  Distributions....................................................................................31

                                                  ARTICLE VII
                                             ISSUANCE OF SECURITIES

SECTION 7.1  General Provisions Regarding Securities..........................................................31
SECTION 7.2  Registrar and Paying Agent.......................................................................33
SECTION 7.3  Paying Agent to Hold Money in Trust..............................................................33

                                                  ARTICLE VIII
                                              DISSOLUTION OF TRUST

SECTION 8.1  Dissolution of Trust.............................................................................33

                                                   ARTICLE IX
                                             TRANSFER OF INTERESTS

SECTION 9.1  Transfer of Securities...........................................................................34
SECTION 9.2  Transfer of Certificates.........................................................................35
SECTION 9.3  Deemed Security Holders..........................................................................35
SECTION 9.4  Book Entry Interests.............................................................................36
SECTION 9.5  Notices to Clearing Agency.......................................................................36
SECTION 9.6  Appointment of Successor Clearing Agency.........................................................37
SECTION 9.7  Definitive Preferred Security Certificates.......................................................37
SECTION 9.8  Mutilated, Destroyed, Lost or Stolen Certificates................................................37

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                                                    ARTICLE X
                      LIMITATION OF LIABILITY OF HOLDERS OF SECURITIES, TRUSTEES OR OTHERS

SECTION 10.1  Liability.......................................................................................38
SECTION 10.2  Exculpation.....................................................................................38
SECTION 10.3  Fiduciary Duty..................................................................................39
SECTION 10.4  Indemnification.................................................................................40
SECTION 10.5  Outside Businesses..............................................................................43

                                                   ARTICLE XI
                                                   ACCOUNTING

SECTION 11.1  Fiscal Year.....................................................................................43
SECTION 11.2  Certain Accounting Matters......................................................................44
SECTION 11.3  Banking.........................................................................................44
SECTION 11.4  Withholding.....................................................................................44

                                                   ARTICLE XII
                                             AMENDMENTS AND MEETINGS

SECTION 12.1  Amendments......................................................................................45
SECTION 12.2  Meetings of the Holders of Securities: Action by Written Consent................................47

                                                  ARTICLE XIII
                          REPRESENTATIONS OF INSTITUTIONAL TRUSTEE AND DELAWARE TRUSTEE

SECTION 13.1  Representations and Warranties of Institutional Trustee.........................................48
SECTION 13.2  Representations and Warranties of Delaware Trustee..............................................49

                                                   ARTICLE XIV
                                                  MISCELLANEOUS

SECTION 14.1  Notices.........................................................................................50
SECTION 14.2  Governing Law...................................................................................51
SECTION 14.3  Intention of the Parties........................................................................51
SECTION 14.4  Headings........................................................................................51
SECTION 14.5  Successors and Assigns..........................................................................51
SECTION 14.6  Partial Enforceability..........................................................................51
SECTION 14.7  Counterparts....................................................................................52

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AMENDED AND RESTATED DECLARATION OF TRUST ("Declaration") dated and effective as of [________, 200__], by the Trustees (as defined herein), the Sponsor (as defined herein) and by the holders, from time to time, of undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust to be issued pursuant to this Declaration;

WHEREAS, certain of the Trustees and the Sponsor established St. Paul Capital Trust II (the "Trust"), a trust under the Business Trust Act (as defined herein), pursuant to a Declaration of Trust dated as of November 14, 2001 (the "Original Declaration"), and a Certificate of Trust filed with the Secretary of State of the State of Delaware on November 14, 2001, for the sole purpose of issuing and selling certain securities representing undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust and investing the proceeds thereof in certain Debentures (as defined herein) of the Debenture Issuer (as defined herein);

WHEREAS, all of the Trustees and the Sponsor, by this Declaration, amend and restate each and every term and provision of the Original Declaration.

NOW, THEREFORE, it being the intention of the parties hereto to continue the Trust as a business trust under the Business Trust Act and that this Declaration constitute the governing instrument of such business trust, the Trustees declare that all assets contributed to the Trust will be held in trust for the benefit of the holders, from time to time, of the securities representing undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust issued hereunder, subject to the provisions of this Declaration.

ARTICLE I
INTERPRETATION AND DEFINITIONS

SECTION 1.1 Definitions.

Unless the context otherwise requires:

(a) Capitalized terms used in this Declaration but not defined in the preamble above have the respective meanings assigned to them in this
Section 1.1;

(b) a term defined anywhere in this Declaration has the same meaning throughout;

(c) all references to "the Declaration" or "this Declaration" are to this Declaration as modified, supplemented or amended from time to time;

(d) all references in this Declaration to Articles, Sections, Annexes and Exhibits are to Articles and Sections of, and Annexes and Exhibits to, this Declaration unless otherwise specified;


(e) a term defined in the Trust Indenture Act has the same meaning when used in this Declaration unless otherwise defined in this Declaration or unless the context otherwise requires; and

(f) a reference to the singular includes the plural and vice versa.

"Affiliate" has the same meaning as given to that term in Rule 405 under the Securities Act, or any successor provision thereto and as may be amended from time to time.

"Authorized Officer" of a Person means any vice president, senior vice president, president, chief executive officer, treasurer, controller or other individual executing a document or otherwise acting by virtue of authority vested in such individual by such Person in an instrument expressly designating such individual as an Authorized Officer and referencing this Declaration.

"Book Entry Interest" means a beneficial interest in a Global Certificate, ownership and transfers of which shall be maintained and made through book entries by a Clearing Agency as described in Section 9.4.

"Business Day" means any day other than a day on which banking institutions in the City of New York, New York are authorized or required by any applicable law or executive order to close.

"Business Trust Act" means Chapter 38 of Title 12 of the Delaware Code, 12 Del. Code Sections 3801 et seq., as it may be amended from time to time, or any successor legislation.

"Certificate" means a Common Security Certificate or a Preferred Security Certificate.

"Clearing Agency" means an organization registered as a "Clearing Agency" pursuant to Section 17A of the Exchange Act that is acting as depositary for the Preferred Securities and in whose name or in the name of a nominee of that organization shall be registered a Global Certificate and which shall undertake to effect book entry transfers and pledges of the Preferred Securities.

"Clearing Agency Participant" means a broker, dealer, bank, other financial institution or other Person for whom from time to time the Clearing Agency effects book entry transfers and pledges of securities deposited with the Clearing Agency.

"Closing Date" means the Closing Date as defined in the Underwriting Agreement, which date is also the date of execution and delivery of this Declaration.

"Code" means the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended from time to time, or any successor legislation.

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"Commission" means the Securities and Exchange Commission.

"Common Security" has the meaning specified in Section 7.1.

"Common Security Certificate" means a definitive certificate in fully registered form representing a Common Security substantially in the form of Exhibit A-2.

"Company Indemnified Person" means (a) any Regular Trustee; (b) any Affiliate of any Regular Trustee; (c) any officers, directors, shareholders, members, partners, employees, representatives or agents of any Regular Trustee; or (d) any officer, employee or agent of the Trust or its Affiliates.

"Corporate Trust Office" means the office of the Institutional Trustee at which the corporate trust business of the Institutional Trustee shall, at any particular time, be principally administered, which office at the date of execution of this Declaration is located at 450 West 33rd Street, 15th Floor, New York, NY 10001, Attention: Institutional Trust Services.

"Covered Person" means: (a) any officer, director, shareholder, partner, member, representative, employee or agent of (i) the Trust or (ii) the Trust's Affiliates; and (b) any Holder of Securities.

"Debenture Issuer" means the Sponsor, in its capacity as issuer of the Debentures under the Indenture.

"Debenture Trustee" means JPMorgan Chase Bank as trustee under the Indenture until a successor is appointed thereunder, and thereafter means such successor trustee.

"Debentures" means the [ ]% Subordinated Debentures due [ ], to be issued by the Debenture Issuer pursuant to the Indenture to be held by the Institutional Trustee.

"Definitive Preferred Security Certificates" has the meaning set forth in Section 9.4.

"Delaware Trustee" has the meaning set forth in Section 5.2.

"Distribution" has the meaning set forth in Section 6.1.

"DTC" means The Depository Trust Company, the initial Clearing Agency.

"Event of Default" in respect of the Securities means an Event of Default (as defined in the Indenture) has occurred and is continuing in respect of the Debentures.

"Exchange Act" means the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended from time to time, or any successor legislation.

"Fiduciary Indemnified Person" has the meaning set forth in Section 10.4(b).

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"Global Certificate" has the meaning set forth in Section 9.4.

"Holder" means a Person in whose name a Certificate representing a Security is registered, such Person being a beneficial owner within the meaning of the Business Trust Act.

"Indemnified Person" means a Company Indemnified Person or a Fiduciary Indemnified Person.

"Indenture" means the Subordinated Debt Indenture dated as of
[__________, 200__], between the Debenture Issuer and the Debenture Trustee, as amended or supplemented from time to time, pursuant to which the Debentures are to be issued.

"Institutional Trustee" means the Trustee meeting the eligibility requirements set forth in Section 5.3.

"Institutional Trustee Account" has the meaning set forth in Section 3.8(c).

"Investment Company" means an investment company as defined in the Investment Company Act.

"Investment Company Act" means the Investment Company Act of 1940, as amended, or any successor legislation.

"Investment Company Event" has the meaning set forth in Annex I hereto.

"Legal Action" has the meaning set forth in Section 3.6(g).

"List of Holders" has the meaning set forth in Section 2.2(a).

"Majority in liquidation amount of the Securities" means, except to the extent otherwise provided in the terms of the Preferred Securities or by the Trust Indenture Act, Holder(s) of outstanding Securities voting together as a single class or, as the context may require, Holders of outstanding Preferred Securities or Holders of outstanding Common Securities voting separately as a class, who are the record owners of an aggregate liquidation amount representing more than 50% of the aggregate liquidation amount (including the stated amount that would be paid on redemption, liquidation or otherwise, plus accrued and unpaid Distributions to the date upon which the voting percentages are determined) of all outstanding Securities of the relevant class.

"Officers' Certificate" means, with respect to any Person, a certificate signed by two Authorized Officers of such Person. Any Officers' Certificate delivered with respect to compliance with a condition or covenant provided for in this Declaration shall include:

(A) a statement that each officer signing the Officers' Certificate has read the covenant or condition and the definitions relating thereto;

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(B) a brief statement of the nature and scope of the examination or investigation undertaken by each officer in rendering the Officers' Certificate;

(C) a statement that each such officer has made such examination or investigatiOn as, in such officer's opinion, is necessary to enable such officer to express an informed opinion as to whether or not such covenant or condition has been complied with; and

(D) a statement as to whether, in the opinion of each such officer, such condition or covenant has been complied with.

"Paying Agent" has the meaning specified in Section 3.8(h).

"Payment Amount" has the meaning specified in Section 6.1.

"Person" means a legal person, including any individual, corporation, estate, partnership, joint venture, association, joint stock company, limited liability company, trust, unincorporated association, or government or any agency or political subdivision thereof, or any other entity of whatever nature.

"Preferred Securities Guarantee" means the guarantee agreement dated as of [__________, 200__], between the Sponsor and the trustee named therein relating to the Preferred Securities.

"Preferred Security" has the meaning specified in Section 7.1.

"Preferred Security Beneficial Owner" means, with respect to a Book Entry Interest, a Person who is the beneficial owner of such Book Entry Interest, as reflected on the books of the Clearing Agency, or on the books of a Person maintaining an account with such Clearing Agency (directly as a Clearing Agency Participant or as an indirect participant, in each case in accordance with the rules of such Clearing Agency).

"Preferred Security Certificate" means a certificate representing a Preferred Security substantially in the form of Exhibit A-1.

"Quorum" means a majority of the Regular Trustees or, if there are only two Regular Trustees, both of them.

"Regular Trustee" has the meaning specified in Section 5.1.

"Related Party" means, with respect to the Sponsor, any direct or indirect wholly owned subsidiary of the Sponsor or any other Person that owns, directly or indirectly, 100% of the outstanding voting securities of the Sponsor.

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"Responsible Officer" means, with respect to the Institutional Trustee, any officer of the Institutional Trustee with direct responsibility for the administration of this Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust and also means, with respect to a particular corporate trust matter, any other officer to whom such matter is referred because of that officer's knowledge of and familiarity with the particular subject.

"Rule 3a-5" means Rule 3a-5 under the Investment Company Act.

"Securities" means the Common Securities and the Preferred Securities.

"Securities Act" means the Securities Act of 1933, as amended from time to time, or any successor legislation.

"Special Event" has the meaning set forth in Annex I hereto.

"Sponsor" means The St. Paul Companies, Inc., or any successor entity in a merger, consolidation or amalgamation, in its capacity as sponsor of the Trust.

"Successor Delaware Trustee" has the meaning set forth in Section 5.6.

"Successor Entity" has the meaning set forth in Section 3.15(b).

"Successor Institutional Trustee" has the meaning set forth in Section 5.6.

"Successor Securities" has the meaning set forth in Section 3.15(b).

"Super Majority" has the meaning set forth in Section 2.6(a)(ii).

"Tax Event" has the meaning set forth in Annex I hereto.

"10% in liquidation amount of the Securities" means, except as provided in the terms of the Preferred Securities or by the Trust Indenture Act, Holder(s) of outstanding Securities voting together as a single class or, as the context may require, Holders of outstanding Preferred Securities or Holders of outstanding Common Securities voting separately as a class, who are the record owners of an aggregate liquidation amount representing 10% or more of the aggregate liquidation amount (including the stated amount that would be paid on redemption, liquidation or otherwise, plus accrued and unpaid Distributions to the date upon which the voting percentages are determined) of all outstanding Securities of the relevant class.

"The St. Paul" means The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation.

"Treasury Regulations" means the income tax regulations, including temporary and proposed regulations, promulgated under the Code by the United States Treasury, as such regulations may be amended from time to time (including corresponding provisions of succeeding regulations).

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"Trustee" or "Trustees" means each Person who has signed this Declaration as a trustee, so long as such Person shall continue in office in accordance with the terms hereof, and all other Persons who may from time to time be duly appointed, qualified and serving as Trustees in accordance with the provisions hereof, and references herein to a Trustee or the Trustees shall refer to such Person or Persons solely in their capacity as trustees hereunder.

"Trust Indenture Act" means the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended from time to time, or any successor legislation.

"Underwriting Agreement" means the Underwriting Agreement for the offering and sale of Preferred Securities substantially in the form appearing as exhibit 1.5 to the registration statement on Form S-3 of The St. Paul and the Trust relating to the Preferred Securities and the related Preferred Securities Guarantee.

ARTICLE II
TRUST INDENTURE ACT

SECTION 2.1 Trust Indenture Act: Application.

(a) This Declaration is subject to the provisions of the Trust Indenture Act that are required to be part of this Declaration and shall, to the extent applicable, be governed by such provisions.

(b) The Institutional Trustee shall be the only Trustee that is a Trustee for the purposes of the Trust Indenture Act.

(c) If and to the extent that any provision of this Declaration limits, qualifies or conflicts with the duties imposed by Sections 310 to 317, inclusive, of the Trust Indenture Act, such imposed duties shall control.

(d) The application of the Trust Indenture Act to this Declaration shall not affect the nature of the Securities as equity securities representing undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust.

SECTION 2.2 Lists of Holders of Securities.

(a) Each of the Sponsor and the Regular Trustees on behalf of the Trust shall provide the Institutional Trustee (i) within 14 days after each record date for payment of Distributions, a list, in such form as the Institutional Trustee may reasonably require, of the names and addresses of the Holders of the Securities ("List of Holders") as of such record date, and (ii) at any other time, within 30 days of receipt by the Trust of a written request therefor, a List of Holders as of a date no more than 14 days before such List of Holders is given to the Institutional Trustee; provided, that neither the Sponsor nor the Regular Trustees on behalf of the Trust shall be obligated to provide such List of Holders at any time the List of Holders does not differ from the most recent

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List of Holders given to the Institutional Trustee by the Sponsor and the Regular Trustees on behalf of the Trust. The Institutional Trustee shall preserve, in as current a form as is reasonably practicable, all information contained in Lists of Holders given to it or which it receives in the capacity as Paying Agent (if acting in such capacity) provided that the Institutional trustee may destroy any List of Holders previously given to it on receipt of a new List of Holders. Unless supplemented, amended or restated pursuant to this
Section 2.2(a), the Institutional Trustee shall be entitled to rely exclusively on the last List of Holders provided to it by the Sponsor or any Regular Trustee.

(b) The Institutional Trustee shall comply with its obligations under Sections 311(a), 311(b) and 312(b) of the Trust Indenture Act.

SECTION 2.3 Reports by the Institutional Trustee.

Within 60 days after May 15 of each year, the Institutional Trustee shall provide to the Holders of the Preferred Securities such reports as are required by Section 313 of the Trust Indenture Act, if any, in the form and in the manner provided by such Section 313. The Institutional Trustee shall also comply with the requirements of Section 313(d) of the Trust Indenture Act.

SECTION 2.4 Periodic Reports to Institutional Trustee.

Each of the Sponsor and the Regular Trustees on behalf of the Trust shall provide to the Institutional Trustee such documents, reports and information as required by Sections 314 (if any) and the compliance certificate required by Section 314 of the Trust Indenture Act in the form, in the manner and at the times required by Section 314 of the Trust Indenture Act.

SECTION 2.5 Evidence of Compliance With Conditions Precedent.

Each of the Sponsor and the Regular Trustees on behalf of the Trust shall provide to the Institutional Trustee such evidence of compliance with any conditions precedent, if any, provided for in this Declaration that relate to any of the matters set forth in Sections 314(c) of the Trust Indenture Act. Any certificate or opinion required to be given by an officer pursuant to Section 314(c)(1) may be given in the form of an Officers' Certificate.

SECTION 2.6 Events of Default: Waiver.

(a) The Holders of a Majority in liquidation amount of Preferred Securities may, by vote, on behalf of the Holders of all of the Preferred Securities, waive any past Event of Default in respect of the Preferred Securities and its consequences, provided that, if the underlying Event of Default under the Indenture:

(i) is not waivable under the Indenture, the Event of Default under the Declaration shall also not be waivable; or

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(ii) is waivable only with the consent of holders of more than a majority in principal amount of the Debentures (a "Super Majority") affected thereby, only the Holders of at least the proportion in aggregate liquidation amount of the Preferred Securities that the relevant Super Majority represents of the aggregate principal amount of the Debentures outstanding may waive such Event of Default in respect of the Preferred Securities under the Declaration.

The foregoing provisions of this Section 2.6(a) shall be in lieu of Section 316(a)(1)(B) of the Trust Indenture Act and such Section 316(a)(l)(B) of the Trust Indenture Act is hereby expressly excluded from this Declaration and the Securities, as permitted by the Trust Indenture Act. Upon such waiver, any such default shall cease to exist, and any Event of Default with respect to the Preferred Securities arising therefrom shall be deemed to have been cured, for every purpose of this Declaration, but no such waiver shall extend to any subsequent or other default or an Event of Default with respect to the Preferred Securities or impair any right consequent thereon. Any waiver by the Holders of the Preferred Securities of an Event of Default with respect to the Preferred Securities shall also be deemed to constitute a waiver by the Holders of the Common Securities of any such Event of Default with respect to the Common Securities for all purposes of this Declaration without any further act, vote, or consent of the Holders of the Common Securities.

(b) The Holders of a Majority in liquidation amount of the Common Securities may, by vote, on behalf of the Holders of all of the Common Securities, waive any past Event of Default with respect to the Common Securities and its consequences, provided that, if the underlying Event of Default under the Indenture:

(i) is not waivable under the Indenture, except where the Holders of the Common Securities are deemed to have waived such Event of Default under the Declaration as provided in this Section 2.6(b), the Event of Default under the Declaration shall also not be waivable; or

(ii) is waivable only with the consent of a Super Majority, except where the Holders of the Common Securities are deemed to have waived such Event of Default under the Declaration as provided in this Section 2.6(b), only the Holders of at least the proportion in aggregate liquidation amount of the Common Securities that the relevant Super Majority represents of the aggregate principal amount of the Debentures outstanding may waive such Event of Default in respect of the Common Securities under the Declaration; provided further, each Holder of Common Securities will be deemed to have waived any such Event of Default and all Events of Default with respect to the Common Securities and its consequences until all Events of Default with respect to the Preferred Securities have been cured, waived or otherwise eliminated, and until such Events of Default with respect to the Preferred Securities have been cured, waived or otherwise eliminated, the Institutional Trustee will be deemed to be acting solely on behalf of the Holders of the Preferred Securities and only the Holders of the Preferred Securities will have the right to direct the Institutional Trustee in accordance with the terms of the Securities. The foregoing provisions of

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this Section 2.6(b) shall be in lieu of Sections 316(a)(1)(A) and 316(a)(l)(B) of the Trust Indenture Act and such sections are hereby expressly excluded from this Declaration and the Securities, as permitted by the Trust Indenture Act. Subject to the foregoing provisions of this
Section 2.6(b), upon the waiver of an Event of Default by the Holders of a Majority in liquidation amount of the Common Securities, any such default shall cease to exist and any Event of Default with respect to the Common Securities arising therefrom shall be deemed to have been cured for every purpose of this Declaration, but no such waiver shall extend to any subsequent or other default or Event of Default with respect to the Common Securities or impair any right consequent thereon.

(c) A waiver of an Event of Default under the Indenture by the Institutional Trustee, at the direction of the Holders of the Preferred Securities, constitutes a waiver of the corresponding Event of Default under this Declaration. The foregoing provisions of this Section 2.6(c) shall be in lieu of Sections 316(a)(1)(A) and 316(a)(1)(B) of the Trust Indenture Act and such Sections 316(a)(1)(A) and 316(a)(1)(B) of the Trust Indenture Act are hereby expressly excluded from this Declaration and the Securities, as permitted by the Trust Indenture Act.

SECTION 2.7 Event of Default: Notice.

(a) The Institutional Trustee shall, within 90 days after the Institutional Trustee has knowledge of the occurrence of an Event of Default, transmit by mail, first class postage prepaid, to the Holders of the Securities (i) notices of all defaults with respect to the Securities actually known to a Responsible Officer of the Institutional Trustee, unless such Event of Default has been cured before the giving of such notice and (ii) any notice of default received from the Indenture Trustee with respect to the Debentures, which notice from the Institutional Trustee to the Holders shall state that an Event of Default under the Indenture also constitutes an Event of Default with respect to the Securities; provided that, except for a default in the payment of principal of (or premium, if any) or interest on any of the Debentures or in the payment of any sinking fund installment established for the Debentures, the Institutional Trustee shall be protected in withholding such notice if and so long as a Responsible Officer of the Institutional Trustee in good faith determines that the withholding of such notice is in the interests of the Holders of the Securities.

(b) The Institutional Trustee shall not be deemed to have knowledge of any default except:

(i) a default under Sections 501(1) and 501(2) of the Indenture; or

(ii) any default as to which the Institutional Trustee shall have received written notice or of which a Responsible Officer of the Institutional Trustee charged with the administration of this Declaration shall have actual knowledge.

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ARTICLE III
ORGANIZATION

SECTION 3.1 Name.

The Trust is named "St. Paul Capital Trust II", as such name may be modified from time to time by the Regular Trustees following written notice to the Holders of Securities. The Trust's activities may be conducted under the name of the Trust or any other name deemed advisable by the Regular Trustees.

SECTION 3.2 Office.

The address of the principal office of the Trust is c/o The St. Paul Companies, Inc., 385 Washington Street, St. Paul, Minnesota 55102. On ten Business Days' written notice to the Institutional Trustee, the Delaware Trustee and the Holders of Securities, the Regular Trustees may designate another principal office.

SECTION 3.3 Declaration.

(a) The exclusive purposes and functions of the Trust are (i) to issue and sell Securities and use the proceeds from such sale to acquire the Debentures,
(ii) to maintain the status of the Trust as a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes, and (iii) except as otherwise limited herein, to engage in only those other activities necessary, or incidental thereto. The Trust shall not borrow money, issue debt or reinvest proceeds derived from investments, pledge any of its assets, or otherwise undertake (or permit to be undertaken) any activity that would cause the Trust not to be classified for United States federal income tax purposes as a grantor trust.

(b) The Trust will be classified as a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes under Subpart E of Subchapter J of the Code, pursuant to which the Holders of the Preferred Securities and the Common Securities will be the owners of the Trust for United States federal income tax purposes, and such Holders will include directly in their gross income the income, gain, deduction or loss of the Trust as if the Trust did not exist. By the acceptance of this Trust, neither the Trustees, the Sponsor nor the owners of the Preferred Securities or Common Securities will take any position for United States federal income tax purposes which is contrary to the classification of the Trust as a grantor trust.

SECTION 3.4 Authority.

Subject to the limitations provided in this Declaration and to the specific duties of the Institutional Trustee, the Regular Trustees shall have exclusive and complete authority to carry out the purposes of the Trust. An action taken by the Regular Trustees in accordance with their powers shall constitute the act of and serve to bind the Trust and an action taken by the Institutional Trustee on behalf of the Trust in accordance with its powers shall constitute the act of and serve to bind the Trust. In dealing with the Trustees acting on behalf of the Trust, no person shall be required to inquire into the authority of the Trustees to bind the Trust. Persons dealing with the Trust are entitled to rely conclusively on the power and authority of the Trustees as set forth in this Declaration.

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SECTION 3.5 Title to Property of the Trust.

Except as provided in Section 3.8 with respect to the Debentures and the Institutional Trustee Account or as otherwise expressly provided in this Declaration, legal title to all assets of the Trust shall be vested in the Trust. The Holders shall not have legal title to any part of the assets of the Trust, but shall have an undivided beneficial interest in the assets of the Trust.

SECTION 3.6 Powers and Duties of the Regular Trustees.

The Regular Trustees shall have the exclusive power, duty and authority to cause the Trust to engage in the following activities:

(a) to issue and sell the Preferred Securities and the Common Securities in accordance with this Declaration; provided, however, that the Trust may issue no more than one series of Preferred Securities and no more than one series of Common Securities, and, provided further, that there shall be no beneficial interests in the Trust other than the Securities, and the issuance of Securities shall be limited to a simultaneous issuance of both Preferred Securities and Common Securities on the Closing Date;

(b) in connection with the issue and sale of the Preferred Securities, at the direction of the Sponsor, to:

(i) assist in the preparation of a prospectus in preliminary and final form prepared by the Sponsor in relation to the offering and sale of Preferred Securities and to assist in the preparation of and filing with the Commission on behalf of the Trust a registration statement on Form S-3 or on another appropriate form (including, if appropriate, a registration statement under Rule 462(b) of the Securities Act), including any pre-effective or post-effective amendments thereto, relating to the registration under the Securities Act of the Preferred Securities;

(ii) execute and file any documents prepared by the Sponsor, or take any acts determined by the Sponsor to be necessary, in order to qualify or register all or part of the Preferred Securities in any State in which the Sponsor has determined to qualify or register such Preferred Securities for sale;

(iii) assist in the filing of an application, prepared by the Sponsor, to the New York Stock Exchange, Inc., any other national stock exchange or the Nasdaq National Market for listing upon notice of issuance of any Preferred Securities;

(iv) assist in the filing with the Commission on behalf of the Trust a registration statement on Form 8-A, prepared by the Sponsor, including any pre-effective or post-effective amendments thereto, relating to the registration of the Preferred Securities under Section 12(b) of the Exchange Act;

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(v) assist in the preparation of the Underwriting Agreement providing for the sale and distribution of the Preferred Securities; and

(vi) execute and deliver letters, documents, or instruments with the Clearing Agency relating to the Preferred Securities;

(c) to acquire the Debentures with the proceeds of the sale of the Preferred Securities and the Common Securities; provided, however, that the Regular Trustees shall cause legal title to the Debentures to be held of record in the name of the Institutional Trustee for the benefit of the Holders of the Preferred Securities and the Holders of Common Securities;

(d) to give the Sponsor and the Institutional Trustee prompt written notice of the occurrence of a Special Event;

(e) to establish a record date with respect to all actions to be taken hereunder that require a record date be established, including and with respect to, for the purposes of Section 316(c) of the Trust Indenture Act, Distributions, voting rights, redemptions and exchanges, and to issue relevant notices to the Holders of Preferred Securities and Holders of Common Securities as to such actions and applicable record dates;

(f) to take all actions and perform such duties as may be required of the Regular Trustees pursuant to the terms of the Securities or this Declaration;

(g) to bring or defend, pay, collect, compromise, arbitrate, resort to legal action, or otherwise adjust claims or demands of or against the Trust ("Legal Action"), unless pursuant to Section 3.8(e), the Institutional Trustee has the exclusive power to bring such Legal Action;

(h) to employ or otherwise engage employees and agents (who may be designated as officers with titles) and managers, contractors, advisors, and consultants and pay reasonable compensation for such services;

(i) to give the certificate required by Section 314(a)(4) of the Trust Indenture Act to the Institutional Trustee, which certificate may be executed by any Regular Trustee;

(j) to incur expenses that are necessary or incidental to carry out any of the purposes of the Trust;

(k) to act as, or appoint another Person to act as, registrar and transfer agent for the Securities;

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(l) to give prompt written notice to the Holders of the Securities of any notice received from the Debenture Issuer of its election to defer payments of interest on the Debentures by extending the interest payment period under the Indenture;

(m) to take all action that may be necessary or appropriate for the preservation and the continuation of the Trust's valid existence, rights, franchises and privileges as a statutory business trust under the laws of the State of Delaware and of each other jurisdiction in which such existence is necessary to protect the limited liability of the Holders of the Preferred Securities or to enable the Trust to effect the purposes for which the Trust was created;

(n) to take any action, not inconsistent with this Declaration or with applicable law, that the Regular Trustees determine in their discretion to be necessary or desirable in carrying out the activities of the Trust as set out in this Section 3.6, including, but not limited to:

(i) causing the Trust not to be deemed to be an Investment Company required to be registered as such under the Investment Company Act;

(ii) causing the Trust to be classified for United States federal income tax purposes as a grantor trust; and

(iii) cooperating with the Debenture Issuer to ensure that the Debentures will be treated as indebtedness of the Debenture Issuer for United States federal income tax purposes, provided that such action does not adversely affect the interests of Holders;

(o) to the extent provided in this Declaration, terminating, dissolving and liquidating the Trust and preparing, executing and filing the certificate of cancellation with the Secretary of State of the State of Delaware;

(p) to take all action necessary to cause all applicable tax returns and tax information reports that are required to be filed with respect to the Trust to be duly prepared and filed by the Regular Trustees, on behalf of the Trust; and

(q) to execute all documents or instruments, perform all duties and powers, and do all things for and on behalf of the Trust in all matters necessary or incidental to the foregoing.

The Regular Trustees must exercise the powers set forth in this Section 3.6 in a manner that is consistent with the purposes and functions of the Trust set out in Section 3.3, and the Regular Trustees shall not take any action that is inconsistent with the purposes and functions of the Trust set forth in Section 3.3.

Subject to this Section 3.6, the Regular Trustees shall have none of the powers or the authority of the Institutional Trustee set forth in Section 3.8.

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Any expenses incurred by the Regular Trustees pursuant to this Section 3.6 shall be reimbursed by the Debenture Issuer.

SECTION 3.7 Prohibition of Actions by the Trust and the Trustees.

(a) The Trust shall not, and the Trustees (including the Institutional Trustee) shall not, engage in any activity other than as required or authorized by this Declaration. In particular, the Trust shall not and no Trustee (including the Institutional Trustee) shall cause the Trust to:

(i) invest any proceeds received by the Trust from holding the Debentures, but shall promptly distribute all such proceeds to Holders of Securities pursuant to the terms of this Declaration and of the Securities;

(ii) acquire any assets other than as expressly provided herein;

(iii) possess Trust property for other than a Trust purpose;

(iv) make any loans or incur any indebtedness other than loans represented by the Debentures;

(v) possess any power or otherwise act in such a way as to vary the Trust assets or the terms of the Securities in any way whatsoever;

(vi) issue any securities or other evidences of beneficial ownership of, or beneficial interest in, the Trust other than the Securities;

(vii) other than as provided in this Declaration or Annex I, (A) direct the time, method and place of exercising any trust or power conferred upon the Debenture Trustee with respect to the Debentures, (B) waive any past default that is waivable under the Indenture, or (C) exercise any right to rescind or annul any declaration that the principal of all the Debentures shall be due and payable;

(viii) consent to any amendment, modification or termination of the Indenture or the Debentures where such consent shall be required unless the Trust shall have received an opinion of counsel to the effect that such amendment, modification or termination will not cause more than an insubstantial risk that the Trust will not be classified as a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes; or

(ix) take any action inconsistent with the status of the Trust as a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes.

SECTION 3.8 Powers and Duties of the Institutional Trustee.

(a) The legal title to the Debentures shall be owned by and held of record in the name of the Institutional Trustee in trust for the benefit of the Holders of the Securities. The right, title and interest of the Institutional Trustee to the Debentures shall vest automatically in each Person who may hereafter be appointed as Institutional Trustee in accordance with Section 5.6. Such vesting and cessation of title shall be effective whether or not conveyancing documents with regard to the Debentures have been executed and delivered.

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(b) The Institutional Trustee shall not transfer its right, title and interest in the Debentures to the Regular Trustees or to the Delaware Trustee (if the Institutional Trustee does not also act as Delaware Trustee).

(c) The Institutional Trustee shall:

(i) establish and maintain a segregated non-interest bearing trust account (the "Institutional Trustee Account") in the name of and under the exclusive control of the Institutional Trustee on behalf of the Holders of the Securities and, upon the receipt of payments of funds made in respect of the Debentures held by the Institutional Trustee, deposit such funds into the Institutional Trustee Account and make payments to the Holders of the Preferred Securities and Holders of the Common Securities from the Institutional Trustee Account in accordance with Section 6.1. Funds in the Institutional Trustee Account shall be held uninvested until disbursed in accordance with this Declaration. The Institutional Trustee Account shall be an account that is maintained with a banking institution the rating on whose long-term unsecured indebtedness assigned by a "nationally recognized statistical rating organization," as that term is defined for purposes of Rule 436(g)(2) under the Securities Act, is at least equal to the rating assigned to the Preferred Securities by a nationally recognized statistical rating organization, unless the Preferred Securities are not rated, in which case the banking institution's long-term unsecured indebtedness shall be rated at least investment grade by such an organization;

(ii) engage in such ministerial activities as shall be specified in written instructions from the Regular Trustees or the Sponsor to effect the redemption of the Preferred Securities and the Common Securities to the extent the Debentures are redeemed or mature; and

(iii) upon written notice of distribution issued by the Regular Trustees in accordance with the terms of the Securities, engage in such ministerial activities as shall be specified in written instructions from the Regular Trustees or the Sponsor to effect the distribution of the Debentures to Holders of Securities upon the occurrence of certain Special Events or other specified circumstances pursuant to the terms of the Securities.

(d) The Institutional Trustee shall take all actions and perform such duties as may be specifically required of the Institutional Trustee pursuant to the terms of the Securities or this Declaration.

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(e) Subject to Section 2.6, the Institutional Trustee shall take any Legal Action which arises out of or in connection with an Event of Default of which a Responsible Officer of the Institutional Trustee has actual knowledge or the Institutional Trustee's duties and obligations under this Declaration or the Trust Indenture Act.

(f) The Institutional Trustee shall not resign as a Trustee unless either:

(i) the Trust has been completely liquidated and the proceeds of the liquidation distributed to the Holders of Securities pursuant to the terms of the Securities; or

(ii) a Successor Institutional Trustee has been appointed and has accepted that appointment in accordance with Section 5.6.

(g) The Institutional Trustee shall have the legal power to exercise all of the rights, powers and privileges of a holder of Debentures under the Indenture and, if an Event of Default actually known to a Responsible Officer of the Institutional Trustee occurs and is continuing, the Institutional Trustee shall, for the benefit of Holders of the Securities, enforce its rights as holder of the Debentures subject to the rights of the Holders pursuant to the terms of such Securities, this Declaration, the Business Trust Act and the Trust Indenture Act.

(h) The Institutional Trustee may authorize one or more Persons (each, a "Paying Agent") to pay Distributions, redemption payments or liquidation payments on behalf of the Trust with respect to all Securities and any such Paying Agent shall comply with Section 317(b) of the Trust Indenture Act. Any Paying Agent may be removed by the Institutional Trustee at any time and a successor Paying Agent or additional Paying Agents may be appointed at any time by the Institutional Trustee.

(i) Subject to this Section 3.8, the Institutional Trustee shall have none of the duties, liabilities, powers or the authority of the Regular Trustees set forth in Section 3.6.

The Institutional Trustee shall be authorized to undertake any actions set forth in Section 317(a) of the Trust Indenture Act.

The Institutional Trustee must exercise the powers set forth in this
Section 3.8 in a manner that is consistent with the purposes and functions of the Trust set out in Section 3.3, and the Institutional Trustee shall not take any action that is inconsistent with the purposes and functions of the Trust set out in Section 3.3.

SECTION 3.9 Certain Duties and Responsibilities of the Institutional Trustee.

(a) The Institutional Trustee, before the occurrence of any Event of Default and after the curing of all Events of Default that may have occurred, shall undertake to perform only such duties as are specifically set forth in this Declaration and no implied covenants shall be read into this Declaration against the Institutional Trustee. In case an Event of Default has occurred

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(that has not been cured or waived pursuant to Section 2.6) of which a Responsible Officer of the Institutional Trustee has actual knowledge, the Institutional Trustee shall exercise such of the rights and powers vested in it by this Declaration, and use the same degree of care and skill in the exercise of such rights and powers, as a prudent person would exercise or use under the circumstances in the conduct of his or her own affairs.

(b) No provision of this Declaration shall be construed to relieve the Institutional Trustee from liability for its own negligent action, its own negligent failure to act, or its own willful misconduct, except that:

(i) prior to the occurrence of an Event of Default and after the curing or waiving of all such Events of Default that may have occurred:

(A) the duties and obligations of the Institutional Trustee shall be determined solely by the express provisions of this Declaration and the Institutional Trustee shall not be liable except for the performance of such duties and obligations as are specifically set forth in this Declaration, and no implied covenants or obligations shall be read into this Declaration against the Institutional Trustee; and

(B) in the absence of bad faith on the part of the Institutional Trustee, the Institutional Trustee may conclusively rely, as to the truth of the statements and the correctness of the opinions expressed therein, upon any certificates or opinions furnished to the Institutional Trustee and substantially conforming to the requirements of this Declaration; but in the case of any such certificates or opinions that by any provision hereof are specifically required to be furnished to the Institutional Trustee, the Institutional Trustee shall be under a duty to examine the same to determine whether or not they substantially conform to the requirements of this Declaration;

(ii) the Institutional Trustee shall not be liable for any error of judgment made in good faith by a Responsible Officer of the Institutional Trustee, unless it shall be proved that the Institutional Trustee was negligent in ascertaining the pertinent facts;

(iii) the Institutional Trustee shall not be liable with respect to any action taken or omitted to be taken by it in good faith in accordance with the direction of the Holders of not less than a Majority in liquidation amount of the Securities relating to the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Institutional Trustee, or exercising any trust or power conferred upon the Institutional Trustee under this Declaration;

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(iv) no provision of this Declaration shall require the Institutional Trustee to expend or risk its own funds or otherwise incur personal financial liability in the performance of any of its duties or in the exercise of any of its rights or powers, if it shall have reasonable grounds for believing that the repayment of such funds or liability is not reasonably assured to it under the terms of this Declaration or indemnity reasonably satisfactory to the Institutional Trustee against such risk or liability is not reasonably assured to it;

(v) the Institutional Trustee's sole duty with respect to the custody, safe keeping and physical preservation of the Debentures and the Institutional Trustee Account shall be to deal with such property in a similar manner as the Institutional Trustee deals with similar property for its own account, subject to the protections and limitations on liability afforded to the Institutional Trustee under this Declaration and the Trust Indenture Act;

(vi) the Institutional Trustee shall have no duty or liability for or with respect to the value, genuineness, existence or sufficiency of the Debentures or the payment of any taxes or assessments levied thereon or in connection therewith;

(vii) the Institutional Trustee shall not be liable for any interest on any money received by it except as it may otherwise agree in writing with the Sponsor. Money held by the Institutional Trustee need not be segregated from other funds held by it except in relation to the Institutional Trustee Account maintained by the Institutional Trustee pursuant to Section 3.8(c)(i) to the extent required by law; and

(viii) the Institutional Trustee shall not be responsible for monitoring the compliance by the Regular Trustees or the Sponsor with their respective duties under this Declaration, nor shall the Institutional Trustee be liable for any act, omission, default or misconduct of the Regular Trustees or the Sponsor.

SECTION 3.10 Certain Rights of Institutional Trustee.

(a) Subject to the provisions of Section 3.9:

(i) the Institutional Trustee may conclusively rely and shall be fully protected in acting or refraining from acting upon any resolution, certificate, statement, instrument, opinion, report, notice, request, direction, consent, order, bond, debenture, note, other evidence of indebtedness or other paper or document believed by it to be genuine and to have been signed, sent or presented by the proper party or parties;

(ii) any direction or act of the Sponsor or the Regular Trustees contemplated by this Declaration shall be sufficiently evidenced by an Officers' Certificate;

(iii) whenever in the administration of this Declaration, the Institutional Trustee shall deem it desirable that a matter be proved or established before taking, suffering or omitting any action hereunder, the Institutional Trustee (unless other evidence is herein specifically prescribed) may, in the absence of bad faith on its part, request and conclusively rely upon an Officers' Certificate which, upon receipt of such request, shall be promptly delivered by the Sponsor or the Regular Trustees;

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(iv) the Institutional Trustee shall have no duty to see to any recording, filing or registration of any instrument (including any financing or continuation statement or any filing under tax or securities laws) or any rerecording, refiling or registration thereof;

(v) the Institutional Trustee may consult with counsel or other experts and the advice or opinion of such counsel and experts with respect to legal matters or advice within the scope of such experts' area of expertise shall be full and complete authorization and protection in respect of any action taken, suffered or omitted by it hereunder in good faith and in accordance with such advice or opinion, such counsel may be counsel to the Sponsor or any of its Affiliates, and may include any of its employees. The Institutional Trustee shall have the right at any time to seek instructions concerning the administration of this Declaration from any court of competent jurisdiction;

(vi) the Institutional Trustee shall be under no obligation to exercise any of the rights or powers vested in it by this Declaration at the request or direction of any Holder, unless such Holder shall have provided to the Institutional Trustee security and indemnity, reasonably satisfactory to the Institutional Trustee, against the costs, expenses (including attorneys' fees and expenses and the expenses of the Institutional Trustee's agents, nominees or custodians) and liabilities that might be incurred by it in complying with such request or direction, including such reasonable advances as may be requested by the Institutional Trustee provided, that, nothing contained in this Section 3.10(a)(vi) shall be taken to relieve the Institutional Trustee, upon the occurrence of an Event of Default, of its obligation to exercise the rights and powers vested in it by this Declaration;

(vii) the Institutional Trustee shall not be bound to make any investigation into the facts or matters stated in any resolution, certificate, statement, instrument, opinion, report, notice, request, direction, consent, order, bond, debenture, note, other evidence of indebtedness or other paper or document, but the Institutional Trustee, in its discretion, may make such further inquiry or investigation into such facts or matters as it may see fit;

(viii) the Institutional Trustee may execute any of the trusts or powers hereunder or perform any duties hereunder either directly or by or through agents, custodians, nominees or attorneys and the Institutional Trustee shall not be responsible for any misconduct or negligence on the part of any agent or attorney appointed with due care by it hereunder;

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(ix) any action taken by the Institutional Trustee or its agents hereunder shall bind the Trust and the Holders of the Securities, and the signature of the Institutional Trustee or its agents alone shall be sufficient and effective to perform any such action and no third party shall be required to inquire as to the authority of the Institutional Trustee to so act or as to its compliance with any of the terms and provisions of this Declaration, both of which shall be conclusively evidenced by the Institutional Trustee's or its agent's taking such action;

(x) whenever in the administration of this Declaration the Institutional Trustee shall deem it desirable to receive instructions with respect to enforcing any remedy or right or taking any other action hereunder, the Institutional Trustee (i) may request instructions from the Holders of the Securities which instructions may only be given by the Holders of the same proportion in liquidation amount of the Securities as would be entitled to direct the Institutional Trustee under the terms of the Securities in respect of such remedy, right or action, (ii) may refrain from enforcing such remedy or right or taking such other action until such instructions are received, and (iii) shall be protected in conclusively relying on or acting in or accordance with such instructions; and

(xi) except as otherwise expressly provided by this Declaration, the Institutional Trustee shall not be under any obligation to take any action that is discretionary under the provisions of this Declaration.

(b) No provision of this Declaration shall be deemed to impose any duty or obligation on the Institutional Trustee to perform any act or acts or exercise any right, power, duty or obligation conferred or imposed on it, in any jurisdiction in which it shall be illegal, or in which the Institutional Trustee shall be unqualified or incompetent in accordance with applicable law, to perform any such act or acts, or to exercise any such right, power, duty or obligation. No permissive power or authority available to the Institutional Trustee shall be construed to be a duty.

SECTION 3.11 Delaware Trustee.

Notwithstanding any other provision of this Declaration other than
Section 5.2, the Delaware Trustee shall not be entitled to exercise any powers, nor shall the Delaware Trustee have any of the duties and responsibilities of the Regular Trustees or the Institutional Trustee described in this Declaration. Except as set forth in Section 5.2, the Delaware Trustee shall be a Trustee for the sole and limited purpose of fulfilling the requirements of Section 3807 of the Business Trust Act. In performing such limited role, the Delaware Trustee shall have all of the rights and protections afforded to the Institutional Trustee under Section 3.9(b)(i) (except that (i) the Delaware Trustee's standard of care shall be gross negligence, and (ii) such rights and protections shall pertain to the Delaware Trustee without regard to the occurrence of any Event of Default) and Section 3.10 of this Declaration.

SECTION 3.12 Execution of Documents.

Unless otherwise determined by the Regular Trustees, and except as otherwise required by the Business Trust Act, a majority of or, if there are only two, any Regular Trustee or, if there is only one, such Regular Trustee is authorized to execute on behalf of the Trust any documents that the Regular Trustees have the power and authority to execute pursuant to Section 3.6.

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SECTION 3.13 Not Responsible for Recitals or Issuance of Securities.

The recitals contained in this Declaration and the Securities shall be taken as the statements of the Sponsor, and the Trustees do not assume any responsibility for their correctness. The Trustees make no representations as to the value or condition of the property of the Trust or any part thereof. The Trustees make no representations as to the validity or sufficiency of this Declaration or the Securities.

SECTION 3.14 Duration of Trust.

The Trust, unless dissolved pursuant to the provisions of Article VIII hereof, shall dissolve on November 14, 2051.

SECTION 3.15 Mergers.

(a) The Trust may not consolidate, amalgamate, merge with or into, or be replaced by, or convey, transfer or lease its properties and assets substantially as an entirety to any corporation or other body, except as described in Section 3.15(b) and (c) or in Annex I.

(b) The Trust may, with the consent of the Regular Trustees or, if there are more than two, a majority of the Regular Trustees and without the consent of the Holders of the Securities, the Delaware Trustee or the Institutional Trustee, and subject to the terms of Section 3.15(c), consolidate, amalgamate, merge with or into, or be replaced by a trust organized as such under the laws of any State; provided that:

(i) such successor entity (the "Successor Entity") either:

(A) expressly assumes all of the obligations of the Trust under the Securities; or

(B) substitutes for the Securities other securities having substantially the same terms as the Preferred Securities (the "Successor Securities") so long as the Successor Securities rank the same as the Preferred Securities rank with respect to Distributions and payments upon liquidation, redemption and otherwise;

(ii) the Debenture Issuer expressly acknowledges a trustee of the Successor Entity that possesses the same powers and duties as the Institutional Trustee as the Holder of the Debentures;

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(iii) if the Preferred Securities or any Successor Securities are listed, or any Successor Securities will be listed upon notification of issuance, on any national securities exchange or with any other organization on which the Preferred Securities are then listed or quoted;

(iv) such merger, consolidation, amalgamation or replacement does not cause the Preferred Securities (including any Successor Securities) to be downgraded by any nationally recognized statistical rating organization;

(v) such merger, consolidation, amalgamation or replacement does not adversely affect the rights, preferences and privileges of the Holders of the Securities (including any Successor Securities) in any material respect (other than with respect to any dilution of such Holders' interests in the Successor Entity as a result of such merger, consolidation, amalgamation or replacement);

(vi) such Successor Entity has a purpose substantially identical to that of the Trust;

(vii) prior to such merger, consolidation, amalgamation or replacement, the Trust has received an opinion of a nationally recognized independent counsel to the Trust experienced in such matters to the effect that:

(A) such merger, consolidation, amalgamation or replacement does not adversely affect the rights, preferences and privileges of the Holders of the Securities (including any Successor Securities) in any material respect (other than with respect to any dilution of the Holders' interest in the Successor Entity);

(B) following such merger, consolidation, amalgamation or replacement, neither the Trust nor the Successor Entity will be required to register as an Investment Company;

(C) following such merger, consolidation, amalgamation or replacement, the Trust (or the Successor Entity) will continue to be classified as a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes;

(viii) the Sponsor guarantees the obligations of such Successor Entity under the Successor Securities at least to the extent provided by the Preferred Securities Guarantee, and

(ix) the Sponsor, or, subject to Section 9.1(c), a Related Party, continues to hold the Common Securities so long as any Preferred Securities or Successor Securities remain outstanding.

(c) Notwithstanding Section 3.15(b), the Trust shall not, without the consent of Holders of 100% in liquidation amount of the Securities, consolidate, amalgamate, merge with or into, or be replaced by any other entity or permit any other entity to consolidate, amalgamate, merge with or into, or replace it, if in the opinion of a nationally recognized independent tax counsel experienced in such matters, such consolidation, amalgamation, merger or replacement would cause the Trust or Successor Entity to be classified as other than a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes.

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ARTICLE IV
SPONSOR

SECTION 4.1 Sponsor's Purchase of Common Securities.

On the Closing Date, the Sponsor will purchase all of the Common Securities issued by the Trust in an amount equal to 3% or more of the capital of the Trust, at the same time as the Preferred Securities are sold.

SECTION 4.2 Responsibilities of the Sponsor.

In connection with the issue and sale of the Preferred Securities, the Sponsor is hereby appointed an agent of the Trust pursuant to Section 3806(b)(7) of the Business Trust Act and in such capacity shall have the exclusive right and responsibility to engage in the following activities:

(a) to prepare a prospectus relating to the offering of Preferred Securities by the Trust and to prepare for filing by the Trust with the Commission, and execute on behalf of the Trust, a registration statement on Form S-3 or on another appropriate form (including, if appropriate, a registration statement under Rule 462(b) of the Securities Act) and any pre-effective or post-effective amendments thereto, relating to the registration under the Securities Act of the Preferred Securities;

(b) to determine the States in which to take appropriate action to qualify or register for sale of all or part of the Preferred Securities and to do any and all such acts, other than actions which must be taken by the Trust, and advise the Trust of actions it must take, and prepare for execution and filing any documents to be executed and filed by the Trust, as the Sponsor deems necessary or advisable in order to comply with the applicable laws of any such States;

(c) to prepare for filing by the Trust, and execute on behalf of the Trust, an application to the New York Stock Exchange, any other national stock exchange or the Nasdaq National Market for listing upon notice of issuance of any Preferred Securities;

(d) to prepare for filing by the Trust with the Commission, and execute on behalf of the Trust, a registration statement on Form 8-A, including any pre-effective or post-effective amendments thereto, relating to the registration of the Preferred Securities under Section 12(b) of the Exchange Act, including any amendments thereto;

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(e) to negotiate the terms of, and execute on behalf of the Trust, the Underwriting Agreement providing for the sale of the Preferred Securities; and

(f) to execute and deliver letters, documents or instruments on behalf of the Trust with any Clearing Agency.

The Sponsor must exercise the powers set forth in this Section 4.2 in a manner that is consistent with the purposes and functions of the Trust set out in Section 3.3, and the Sponsor shall not take any action that is inconsistent with the purposes and functions of the Trust set forth in Section 3.3.

Subject to this Section 4.2, the Sponsor shall have none of the powers or the authority of the Institutional Trustee set forth in Section 3.8.

SECTION 4.3 Guarantee of Payment of Trust Obligations.

(a) Subject to the terms and conditions of this Section 4.3, the Holder of Common Securities hereby irrevocably and unconditionally guarantees to each Person to whom the Trust is now or hereafter becomes indebted or liable (the "Beneficiaries") the full payment, when and as due, of any and all costs, expenses or liabilities of the Trust (other than obligations of the Trust to make payments to holders of a Trust Security pursuant to the terms thereof) ("Obligations") to such Beneficiaries.

(b) The agreement of the Holder of Common Securities in Section 4.3(a) is intended to be for the benefit of, and to be enforceable by, all such Beneficiaries, whether or not such Beneficiaries have received notice hereof.

(c) The agreement of the Holder of Common Securities set forth in Section 4.3(a) shall terminate and be of no further force and effect upon the later of
(a) the date on which full payment has been made of all amounts payable to all Holders of all the Preferred Securities (whether upon redemption, liquidation, exchange or otherwise) and (b) the date on which there are no Beneficiaries remaining; provided, however, that such agreement shall continue to be effective or shall be reinstated, as the case may be, if at any time any Holder of Preferred Securities or any Beneficiary must restore payment of any sums paid under the Preferred Securities, under any Obligation, under the Preferred Securities Guarantee or under this Declaration for any reason whatsoever. Such agreement is continuing, irrevocable, unconditional and absolute.

ARTICLE V
TRUSTEES

SECTION 5.1 Number of Trustees.

The number of Trustees initially shall be [four (4)], and:

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(a) at any time before the issuance of any Securities, the Sponsor may, by written instrument, increase or decrease the number of Trustees; and

(b) after the issuance of any Securities, the number of Trustees may be increased or decreased by vote of the Holders of a majority in liquidation amount of the Common Securities voting as a class at a meeting of the Holders of the Common Securities, provided, however, that, the number of Trustees shall in no event be less than two (2); provided further that (i) if required by the Business Trust Act, there shall be at least one Delaware Trustee; (ii) there shall be at least one Trustee who is an employee or officer of, or is affiliated with the Sponsor (a "Regular Trustee"); and (iii) for so long as this Declaration is required to qualify as an indenture under the Trust Indenture Act, there shall be one Institutional Trustee, who may also serve as Delaware Trustee if it meets the applicable requirements.

SECTION 5.2 Delaware Trustee.

If required by the Business Trust Act, one Trustee (the "Delaware Trustee") shall be:

(a) a natural person who is a resident of the State of Delaware; or

(b) if not a natural person, an entity which has its principal place of business in the State of Delaware, and otherwise meets the requirements of applicable law, provided that, if the Institutional Trustee has its principal place of business in the State of Delaware and otherwise meets the requirements of applicable law, then the Institutional Trustee shall also be the Delaware Trustee and Section 3.11 shall have no application.

SECTION 5.3 Institutional Trustee: Eligibility.

(a) There shall at all times be one Trustee that shall act as Institutional Trustee which shall:

(i) not be an Affiliate of the Sponsor;

(ii) be a corporation organized and doing business under the laws of the United States of America or any State or territory thereof or of the District of Columbia, or a corporation or Person permitted by the Commission to act as an institutional trustee under the Trust Indenture Act, authorized under such laws to exercise corporate trust powers, having a combined capital and surplus of at least 50 million U.S. dollars ($50,000,000), and subject to supervision or examination by Federal, State, territorial or District of Columbia authority. If such corporation publishes reports of condition at least annually, pursuant to law or to the requirements of the supervising or examining authority referred to above, then for the purposes of this Section 5.3(a)(ii), the combined capital and surplus of such corporation shall be deemed to be its combined capital and surplus as set forth in its most recent report of condition so published; and

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(iii) if the Trust is excluded from the definition of an Investment Company solely by means of Rule 3a-7 and to the extent Rule 3a-7 requires a trustee having certain qualifications to hold title to the "eligible assets" of the Trust, the Institutional Trustee shall possess those qualifications.

(b) If at any time the Institutional Trustee shall cease to be eligible to so act under Section 5.3(a), the Institutional Trustee shall immediately resign in the manner and with the effect set forth in Section 5.6(c).

(c) If the Institutional Trustee has or shall acquire any "conflicting interest" within the meaning of Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act, the Institutional Trustee and the Holders of the Common Securities (as if such Holders were the obligor referred to in Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act) shall in all respects comply with the provisions of Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act.

(d) The Preferred Securities Guarantee shall be deemed to be specifically described in this Declaration for purposes of clause (i) of the first provision contained in Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act.

(e) The initial Institutional Trustee shall be as set forth in Section 5.5 hereof

SECTION 5.4 Qualifications of Regular Trustees and Delaware Trustee Generally.

Each Regular Trustee and the Delaware Trustee (unless the Institutional Trustee also acts as Delaware Trustee) shall be either a natural person who is at least 21 years of age or a legal entity that shall have the power and authority to act as a trustee hereunder and shall be represented in such capacity by one or more Authorized Officers.

SECTION 5.5 Initial Trustees: Additional Powers of Regular Trustees.

(a) The initial Regular Trustees shall be:

Thomas A. Bradley and
Bruce A. Backberg
in each case c/o The St. Paul Companies, Inc. 385 Washington Street
St. Paul, Minnesota 55102

The initial Delaware Trustee shall be:

Chase Manhattan Bank USA, National Association c/o J.P. Morgan Chase
500 Stanton Christiana Road, Fl. 3 / OPS4 Newark, Delaware 19713 Attention: Institutional Trust Services

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The initial Institutional Trustee shall be:

JPMorgan Chase Bank
450 West 33rd Street
New York, New York 10001 Attention: Institutional Trust Services

(b) Except as expressly set forth in this Declaration and except if a meeting of the Regular Trustees is called with respect to any matter over which the Regular Trustees have power to act, any power of the Regular Trustees may be exercised by, or with the consent of, any one such Regular Trustee.

SECTION 5.6 Appointment, Removal and Resignation of Trustees.

(a) Subject to Section 5.6(b), Trustees may be appointed or removed without cause at any time:

(i) until the issuance of any Securities, by written instrument executed by the Sponsor;

(ii) after the issuance of any Securities, by vote of the Holders of a Majority in liquidation amount of the Common Securities voting as a class at a meeting of the Holders of the Common Securities or acting by unanimous written consent; and

(iii) if an Event of Default shall have occurred and be continuing after the issuance of any Preferred Securities, the Institutional Trustee and the Delaware Trustee may only be removed and appointed by the vote of Holders of a Majority in liquidation amount of the Preferred Securities voting as a class.

(b) (i) The Trustee that acts as Institutional Trustee shall not be removed in accordance with Section 5.6(a) until a successor Trustee possessing the qualifications to act as Institutional Trustee under Section 5.3 (a "Successor Institutional Trustee") has been appointed and has accepted such appointment by written instrument executed by such Successor Institutional Trustee and delivered to the Regular Trustees and the Sponsor; and

(ii) the Trustee that acts as Delaware Trustee shall not be removed in accordance with Section 5.6(a) until a successor Trustee possessing the qualifications to act as Delaware Trustee under Sections 5.2 and 5.4 (a "Successor Delaware Trustee") has been appointed and has accepted such appointment by written instrument executed by such Successor Delaware Trustee and delivered to the Regular Trustees and the Sponsor.

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(c) A Trustee appointed to office shall hold office until his successor shall have been appointed or until his death, removal or resignation. Any Trustee may resign from office (without need for prior or subsequent accounting) by an instrument in writing signed by the Trustee and delivered to the Sponsor and the Trust, which resignation shall take effect upon such delivery or upon such later date as is specified therein; provided, however, that:

(i) No such resignation of the Trustee that acts as the Institutional Trustee shall be effective:

(A) until a Successor Institutional Trustee has been appointed and has accepted such appointment by instrument executed by such Successor Institutional Trustee and delivered to the Trust, the Sponsor and the resigning Institutional Trustee; or

(B) until the assets of the Trust have been completely liquidated and the proceeds thereof distributed to the holders of the Securities; and

(ii) no such resignation of the Trustee that acts as the Delaware Trustee shall be effective until a Successor Delaware Trustee has been appointed and has accepted such appointment by instrument executed by such Successor Delaware Trustee and delivered to the Trust, the Sponsor and the resigning Delaware Trustee whereupon the resigning Trustee shall be released and discharged of the trusts and other duties imposed on such Trustee in connection herewith.

(d) The Holders of the Common Securities shall use their best efforts to promptly appoint a Successor Delaware Trustee or Successor Institutional Trustee as the case may be if the Institutional Trustee or the Delaware Trustee delivers an instrument of resignation in accordance with this Section 5.6.

(e) If no Successor Institutional Trustee or Successor Delaware Trustee shall have been appointed and accepted appointment as provided in this Section 5.6 within 60 days after delivery to the Sponsor and the Trust of an instrument of resignation, the resigning Institutional Trustee or Delaware Trustee, as applicable, may petition any court of competent jurisdiction for appointment of a Successor Institutional Trustee or Successor Delaware Trustee. Such court may thereupon, after prescribing such notice, if any, as it may deem proper and prescribe, appoint a Successor Institutional Trustee or Successor Delaware Trustee, as the case may be.

(f) No Institutional Trustee or Delaware Trustee shall be liable for the acts or omissions to act of any Successor Institutional Trustee or Successor Delaware Trustee, as the case may be.

SECTION 5.7 Vacancies Among Trustees.

If a Trustee ceases to hold office for any reason and the number of Trustees is not reduced pursuant to Section 5.1, or if the number of Trustees is increased pursuant to Section 5.1, a vacancy shall occur. A resolution certifying the existence of such vacancy by the Regular Trustees or, if there

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are more than two, a majority of the Regular Trustees shall be conclusive evidence of the existence of such vacancy. The vacancy shall be filled with a Trustee appointed in accordance with Section 5.6.

SECTION 5.8 Effect of Vacancies.

The death, resignation, retirement, removal, bankruptcy, dissolution, liquidation, incompetence or incapacity to perform the duties of a Trustee shall not operate to annul, dissolve or terminate the Trust or terminate this Declaration. Whenever a vacancy in the number of Regular Trustees shall occur, until such vacancy is filled by the appointment of a Regular Trustee in accordance with Section 5.6, the Regular Trustees in office, regardless of their number, shall have all the powers granted to the Regular Trustees and shall discharge all the duties imposed upon the Regular Trustees by this Declaration.

SECTION 5.9 Meetings.

If there is more than one Regular Trustee, meetings of the Regular Trustees shall be held from time to time upon the call of any Regular Trustee. Regular meetings of the Regular Trustees may be held at a time and place fixed by resolution of the Regular Trustees. Notice of any in-person meetings of the Regular Trustees shall be hand delivered or otherwise delivered in writing (including by facsimile, with a hard copy by overnight courier) not less than 48 hours before such meeting. Notice of any telephonic meetings of the Regular Trustees or any committee thereof shall be hand delivered or otherwise delivered in writing (including by facsimile, with a hard copy by overnight courier) not less than 24 hours before a meeting. Notices shall contain a brief statement of the time, place and anticipated purposes of the meeting. The presence (whether in person or by telephone) of a Regular Trustee at a meeting shall constitute a waiver of notice of such meeting except where a Regular Trustee attends a meeting for the express purpose of objecting to the transaction of any activity on the ground that the meeting has not been lawfully called or convened. Unless provided otherwise in this Declaration, any action of the Regular Trustees may be taken at a meeting by vote of a majority of the Regular Trustees present (whether in person or by telephone) and eligible to vote with respect to such matter, provided that a Quorum is present, or without a meeting by the unanimous written consent of the Regular Trustees. In the event there is only one Regular Trustee, any and all action of such Regular Trustee shall be evidenced by a written consent of such Regular Trustee.

SECTION 5.10 Delegation of Power.

(a) Any Regular Trustee may, by power of attorney consistent with applicable law, delegate to any other natural person over the age of 21 his or her power for the purpose of executing any documents contemplated in Section 3.6, including making any governmental filing; and

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(b) the Regular Trustees shall have power to delegate from time to time to such of their number or to officers of the Trust the doing of such things and the execution of such instruments either in the name of the Trust or the names of the Regular Trustees or otherwise as the Regular Trustees may deem expedient, to the extent such delegation is not prohibited by applicable law or contrary to the provisions of the Trust, as set forth herein.

SECTION 5.11 Merger, Conversion, Consolidation or Succession to Business.

Any corporation into which the Institutional Trustee or the Delaware Trustee, as the case may be, may be merged or converted or with which either may be consolidated, or any corporation resulting from any merger, conversion or consolidation to which the Institutional Trustee or the Delaware Trustee, as the case may be, shall be a party, or any corporation succeeding to all or substantially all the corporate trust business of the Institutional Trustee or the Delaware Trustee, as the case may be, shall be the successor of the Institutional Trustee or the Delaware Trustee, as the case may be, hereunder, provided such corporation shall be otherwise qualified and eligible under this Article, without the execution or filing of any paper or any further act on the part of any of the parties hereto.

ARTICLE VI
DISTRIBUTIONS

SECTION 6.1 Distributions.

Holders shall receive Distributions (as defined herein) in accordance with the applicable terms of the relevant Holder's Securities. Distributions shall be made on the Preferred Securities and the Common Securities in accordance with the preferences set forth in their respective terms. If and to the extent that the Debenture Issuer makes a payment of interest (including Additional Interest (as defined in the Indenture)), premium or principal, or both, on the Debentures held by the Institutional Trustee (the amount of any such payment being a "Payment Amount"), the Institutional Trustee shall and is directed to make a distribution (a "Distribution") of the Payment Amount to Holders.

ARTICLE VII
ISSUANCE OF SECURITIES

SECTION 7.1 General Provisions Regarding Securities.

(a) The Trust shall issue one class of preferred securities representing undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust having such terms as are set forth in Annex I (the "Preferred Securities") and one class of common securities representing undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust having such terms as are set forth in Annex I (the "Common Securities"). The Trust shall issue no securities or other interests in the assets of the Trust other than the Preferred Securities and the Common Securities.

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(b) The Certificates shall be signed on behalf of the Trust by a Regular Trustee. Such signature shall be the manual or facsimile signature of any present or any future Regular Trustee. In case any Regular Trustee of the Trust who shall have signed any of the Securities shall cease to be such Regular Trustee before the Certificates so signed shall be delivered by the Trust, such Certificates nevertheless may be delivered as though the person who signed such Certificates had not ceased to be such Regular Trustee; and any Certificate may be signed on behalf of the Trust by such persons who, at the actual date of execution of such Security, shall be the Regular Trustees of the Trust, although at the date of the execution and delivery of the Declaration any such person was not such a Regular Trustee. Certificates shall be printed, lithographed or engraved or may be produced in any other manner as is reasonably acceptable to the Regular Trustees, as evidenced by their execution thereof, and may have such letters, numbers or other marks of identification or designation and such legends or endorsements as the Regular Trustees may deem appropriate, or as may be required to comply with any law or with any rule or regulation of any stock exchange on which Securities may be listed, or to conform to usage.

(c) The Preferred Security Certificates shall not be valid until authenticated by the manual signature of an authorized officer of the Institutional Trustee, the signature of whom shall be conclusive evidence that the Preferred Security Certificates have been authenticated under this Declaration. Upon a written order of the Trust signed by one Regular Trustee, the Institutional Trustee shall authenticate the Preferred Security Certificates for original issue. The Institutional Trustee may appoint an authenticating agent acceptable to the Trust to authenticate the Preferred Security Certificates. An authenticating agent may authenticate the Preferred Security Certificates whenever the Institutional Trustee may do so. Each reference to authentication by the Institutional Trustee includes authentication by such agent. An authenticating agent has the same rights as the Institutional Trustee to deal with the Sponsor or an Affiliate thereof.

(d) The consideration received by the Trust for the issuance of the Securities shall constitute a contribution to the capital of the Trust and shall not constitute a loan to the Trust.

(e) Upon issuance of the Securities as provided in this Declaration, the Securities so issued shall be deemed to be validly issued, fully paid and non-assessable; subject to Section 10.1 with respect to the Common Securities.

(f) Every Person, by virtue of having become a Holder or a Preferred Security Beneficial Owner in accordance with the terms of this Declaration, shall be deemed to have expressly assented and agreed to the terms of, and shall be bound by, this Declaration.

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SECTION 7.2 Registrar and Paying Agent.

The Trust shall maintain in New York, New York (i) an office or agency where Preferred Securities may be presented for registration of transfer or for exchange ("Registrar"), and (ii) an office or agency where Preferred Securities may be presented for payment. The Registrar shall keep a register of the Preferred Securities and of their transfer and exchange. The Trust may appoint the Registrar and the Paying Agent and may appoint one or more co-registrars and one or more additional paying agents in such other locations as it shall determine. The term "Paying Agent" includes any additional paying agent. The Trust may change any Paying Agent, Registrar or co-registrar without prior notice to any Holder. The Trust shall notify the Institutional Trustee of the name and address of any agent not a party to this Declaration. If the Trust fails to appoint or maintain another entity as Registrar or Paying Agent, the Institutional Trustee shall act as such. The Trust or any of its Affiliates may act as Paying Agent or Registrar. The Trust shall act as Paying Agent, Registrar and co-registrar for the Common Securities.

The Trust initially appoints the Institutional Trustee as Registrar and Paying Agent for the Preferred Securities.

SECTION 7.3 Paying Agent to Hold Money in Trust.

The Trust shall require each Paying Agent other than the Institutional Trustee to agree in writing that the Paying Agent will hold in trust for the benefit of Holders or the Institutional Trustee all money held by the Paying Agent for the payment of principal or Distributions on Securities, and will notify the Institutional Trustee if there are insufficient funds. While any such insufficiency continues, the Institutional Trustee may require a Paying Agent to pay all money held by it to the Institutional Trustee. The Trust at any time may require a Paying Agent to pay all money held by it to the Institutional Trustee and to account for any money disbursed by it. Upon payment to the Institutional Trustee, the Paying Agent (if other than the Trust or an Affiliate of the Trust) shall have no further liability for the money. If the Trust or the Sponsor or an Affiliate of the Trust or the Sponsor acts as Paying Agent, it shall segregate and hold in a separate trust fund for the benefit of the Holders all money held by it as Paying Agent.

ARTICLE VIII
DISSOLUTION OF TRUST

SECTION 8.1 Dissolution of Trust.

(a) The Trust shall dissolve:

(i) upon the bankruptcy of any Holder of the Common Securities or the Sponsor;

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(ii) upon the filing of a certificate of dissolution or its equivalent with respect to any Holder of the Common Securities or the Sponsor; or the revocation of the Holder of the Common Securities or the Sponsor's charter and the expiration of 90 days after the date of revocation without a reinstatement thereof;

(iii) upon the entry of a decree of judicial dissolution of any Holder of the Common Securities, the Sponsor or the Trust;

(iv) when all of the Securities shall have been called for redemption and the amounts necessary for redemption thereof shall have been paid to the Holders in accordance with the terms of the Securities;

(v) at the election of the Sponsor (which is wholly within its sole discretion); provided that the Trust shall have been dissolved in accordance with the terms of the Securities and all of the Debentures endorsed thereon shall have been distributed to the Holders of Securities in exchange for all of the Securities; or

(vi) before the issuance of any Securities, with the consent of all of the Regular Trustees and the Sponsor.

(b) As soon as is practicable after the occurrence of an event referred to in Section 8.1(a) or upon the expiration of the term of the Trust set forth in
Section 3.14 and the winding up of the affairs of the Trust, the Trustees shall file a certificate of cancellation with the Secretary of State of the State of Delaware.

(c) The provisions of Section 3.9(b) and Article X shall survive the termination of the Trust.

ARTICLE IX
TRANSFER OF INTERESTS

SECTION 9.1 Transfer of Securities.

(a) Securities may only be transferred, in whole or in part, in accordance with the terms and conditions set forth in this Declaration and in the terms of the Securities. Any transfer or purported transfer of any Security not made in accordance with this Declaration shall be null and void.

(b) Subject to this Article IX, Preferred Securities shall be freely transferable.

(c) Subject to this Article IX, the Sponsor and any Related Party may only transfer Common Securities to the Sponsor or a Related Party of the Sponsor; provided that, any such transfer is subject to the condition precedent that the transferor obtain the written opinion of a nationally recognized independent counsel experienced in such matters that such transfer would not cause more than an insubstantial risk that:

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(i) the Trust would not continue to be classified for United States federal income tax purposes as a grantor trust; or

(ii) the Trust would be an Investment Company or the transferee would become an Investment Company.

SECTION 9.2 Transfer of Certificates.

The Registrar shall provide for the registration of Certificates representing Preferred Securities and of transfers of such Certificates, which will be effected without charge but only upon payment (with such indemnity as the Registrar may require) in respect of any tax or other government charges that may be imposed in relation to it. Upon surrender for registration of transfer of any Certificate representing Preferred Securities, the Registrar shall cause one or more new Certificates to be issued in the name of the designated transferee or transferees. Every such Certificate surrendered for registration of transfer shall be accompanied by a written instrument of transfer in form satisfactory to the Registrar duly executed by the Holder or such Holder's attorney duly authorized in writing. Each such Certificate surrendered for registration of transfer shall be canceled by the Registrar.

The Regular Trustees shall provide for the registration of Certificates representing Common Securities and of transfers of such Certificates, which will be effected without charge but only upon payment (with such indemnity as the Regular Trustees may require) in respect of any tax or other government charges that may be imposed in relation to it. Upon surrender for registration of transfer of any such Certificate, the Regular Trustees shall cause one or more new Certificates to be issued in the name of the designated transferee or transferees. Every Certificate representing a Common Security surrendered for registration of transfer shall be accompanied by a written instrument of transfer in form satisfactory to the Regular Trustees duly executed by the Holder or such Holder's attorney duly authorized in writing. Each such Certificate surrendered for registration of transfer shall be canceled by the Regular Trustees.

A transferee of a Certificate shall be entitled to the rights and subject to the obligations of a Holder hereunder upon the receipt by such transferee of a Certificate. By acceptance of a Certificate, each transferee shall be deemed to have agreed to be bound by this Declaration.

SECTION 9.3 Deemed Security Holders.

The Trustees may treat the Person in whose name any Certificate shall be registered on the books and records of the Trust as the sole holder of such Certificate and of the Securities represented by such Certificate for purposes of receiving Distributions and for all other purposes whatsoever and, accordingly, shall not be bound to recognize any equitable or other claim to or interest in such Certificate or in the Securities represented by such Certificate on the part of any Person, whether or not the Trust shall have actual or other notice thereof.

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SECTION 9.4 Book Entry Interests.

Unless otherwise specified in the terms of the Preferred Securities, the Preferred Securities Certificates, on original issuance, will be issued in the form of one or more, fully registered, global Preferred Security Certificates (each a "Global Certificate"), to be delivered to DTC, the initial Clearing Agency, or its custodian, by, or on behalf of, the Trust. Such Global Certificates shall initially be registered on the books and records of the Trust in the name of Cede & Co., the nominee of DTC, and no Preferred Security Beneficial Owner will receive a definitive Preferred Security Certificate representing such Preferred Security Beneficial Owner's interests in such Global Certificates, except as provided in Section 9.7. Unless and until definitive, fully registered Preferred Security Certificates (the "Definitive Preferred Security Certificates") have been issued to the Preferred Security Beneficial Owners pursuant to Section 9.7:

(a) the provisions of this Section 9.4 shall be in full force and effect;

(b) the Trust and the Trustees shall be entitled to deal with the Clearing Agency for all purposes of this Declaration (including the payment of Distributions on the Global Certificates and receiving approvals, votes or consents hereunder) as the Holder of the Preferred Securities and the sole holder of the Global Certificates and shall have no obligation to the Preferred Security Beneficial Owners;

(c) to the extent that the provisions of this Section 9.4 conflict with any other provisions of this Declaration, the provisions of this Section 9.4 shall control; and

(d) the rights of the Preferred Security Beneficial Owners shall be exercised only through the Clearing Agency and shall be limited to those established by law and agreements between such Preferred Security Beneficial Owners and the Clearing Agency and/or the Clearing Agency Participants and receive and transmit payments of Distributions on the Global Certificates to such Clearing Agency Participants. DTC will make book entry transfers among the Clearing Agency Participants.

SECTION 9.5 Notices to Clearing Agency.

Whenever a notice or other communication to the Preferred Security Holders is required under this Declaration, unless and until Definitive Preferred Security Certificates shall have been issued to the Preferred Security Beneficial Owners pursuant to Section 9.7, the Trustees shall give all such notices and communications specified herein to be given to the Preferred Security Holders to the Clearing Agency, and shall have no notice obligations to the Preferred Security Beneficial Owners.

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SECTION 9.6 Appointment of Successor Clearing Agency.

If any Clearing Agency elects to discontinue its services as securities depositary with respect to the Preferred Securities, the Regular Trustees may, in their sole discretion, appoint a successor Clearing Agency with respect to such Preferred Securities.

SECTION 9.7 Definitive Preferred Security Certificates.

If:

(a) a Clearing Agency elects to discontinue its services as securities depositary with respect to the Preferred Securities and a successor Clearing Agency is not appointed within 90 days after such discontinuance pursuant to
Section 9.6; or

(b) the Regular Trustees elect after consultation with the Sponsor to terminate the book entry system through the Clearing Agency with respect to the Preferred Securities, then:

(i) Definitive Preferred Security Certificates shall be prepared by the Regular Trustees on behalf of the Trust with respect to such Preferred Securities; and

(ii) upon surrender of the Global Certificates by the Clearing Agency, accompanied by registration instructions, the Regular Trustees shall cause Definitive Certificates to be executed, and the Institutional Trustee shall cause such Definitive Securities to be authenticated and delivered, to Preferred Security Beneficial Owners in accordance with the instructions of the Clearing Agency. Neither the Trustees nor the Trust shall be liable for any delay in delivery of such instructions and each of them may conclusively rely on, and shall be protected in relying on, said instructions of the Clearing Agency. The Definitive Preferred Security Certificates shall be printed, lithographed or engraved or may be produced in any other manner as is reasonably acceptable to the Regular Trustees, as evidenced by their execution thereof, and may have such letters, numbers or other marks of identification or designation and such legends or endorsements as the Regular Trustees may deem appropriate, or as may be required to comply with any law or with any rule or regulation made pursuant thereto or with any rule or regulation of any stock exchange on which Preferred Securities may be listed, or to conform to usage.

SECTION 9.8 Mutilated, Destroyed, Lost or Stolen Certificates.

If:

(a) any mutilated Certificates should be surrendered to the Regular Trustees, or if the Regular Trustees shall receive evidence to their satisfaction of the destruction, loss or theft of any Certificate; and

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(b) there shall be delivered to the Regular Trustees such security or indemnity as may be required by them to keep each of the Trustees harmless

then, in the absence of notice that such Certificate shall have been acquired by a Protected Purchaser (as such term is used in section 8-405(a)(1) of the UCC as in effect in the State of Delaware (1994 Rev)), any Regular Trustee on behalf of the Trust shall execute, and, in the case of any Preferred Security, cause the Institutional Trustee to authenticate and deliver, in exchange for or in lieu of any such mutilated, destroyed, lost or stolen Certificate, a new Certificate of like denomination. In connection with the issuance of any new Certificate under this Section 9.8, the Regular Trustees may require the payment of a sum sufficient to cover any tax or other governmental charge that may be imposed in connection therewith. Any duplicate Certificate issued pursuant to this Section shall constitute conclusive evidence of an ownership interest in the relevant Securities, as if originally issued, whether or not the lost, stolen or destroyed Certificate shall be found at any time.

ARTICLE X
LIMITATION OF LIABILITY OF HOLDERS OF SECURITIES,
TRUSTEES OR OTHERS

SECTION 10.1 Liability.

(a) Except as expressly set forth in this Declaration, the Preferred Securities Guarantee and the terms of the Securities, the Sponsor shall not be:

(i) personally liable for the return of any portion of the capital contributions (or any return thereon) of the Holders of the Securities which shall be made solely from assets of the Trust; and

(ii) required to pay to the Trust or to any Holder of Securities any deficit upon dissolution of the Trust or otherwise.

(b) The Holder of the Common Securities shall be liable for all of the debts and obligations of the Trust (other than with respect to the Securities) to the extent not satisfied out of the Trust's assets.

(c) Pursuant to Section 3803(a) of the Business Trust Act, the Holders of the Preferred Securities shall be entitled to the same limitation of personal liability extended to stockholders of private corporations for profit organized under the General Corporation Law of the State of Delaware.

SECTION 10.2 Exculpation.

(a) No Indemnified Person shall be liable, responsible or accountable in damages or otherwise to the Trust or any Covered Person for any loss, damage or claim incurred by reason of any act or omission performed or omitted by such

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Indemnified Person in good faith on behalf of the Trust and in a manner such Indemnified Person reasonably believed to be within the scope of the authority conferred on such Indemnified Person by this Declaration or by law, except that an Indemnified Person shall be liable for any such loss, damage or claim incurred by reason of such Indemnified Person's gross negligence or willful misconduct with respect to such acts or omissions.

(b) An Indemnified Person shall be fully protected in relying in good faith upon the records of the Trust and upon such information, opinions, reports or statements presented to the Trust by any Person as to matters the Indemnified Person reasonably believes are within such other Person's professional or expert competence and who has been selected with reasonable care by or on behalf of the Trust, including information, opinions, reports or statements as to the value and amount of the assets, liabilities, profits, losses, or any other facts pertinent to the existence and amount of assets from which Distributions to Holders of Securities might properly be paid.

SECTION 10.3 Fiduciary Duty.

(a) To the extent that, at law or in equity, an Indemnified Person has duties (including fiduciary duties) and liabilities relating thereto to the Trust or to any other Covered Person, an Indemnified Person acting under this Declaration shall not be liable to the Trust or to any other Covered Person for its good faith reliance on the provisions of this Declaration. The provisions of this Declaration, to the extent that they restrict the duties and liabilities of an Indemnified Person otherwise existing at law or in equity (other than the duties imposed on the Institutional Trustee under the Trust Indenture Act), are agreed by the parties hereto to replace such other duties and liabilities of such Indemnified Person.

(b) Unless otherwise expressly provided herein:

(i) whenever a conflict of interest exists or arises between any Covered Person and any Indemnified Person; or

(ii) whenever this Declaration or any other agreement contemplated herein or therein provides that an Indemnified Person shall act in a manner that is, or provides terms that are, fair and reasonable to the Trust or any Holder of Securities, the Indemnified Person shall resolve such conflict of interest, take such action or provide such terms, considering in each case the relative interest of each party (including its own interest) to such conflict, agreement, transaction or situation and the benefits and burdens relating to such interests, any customary or accepted industry practices, and any applicable generally accepted accounting practices or principles. In the absence of bad faith by the Indemnified Person, the resolution, action or term so made, taken or provided by the Indemnified Person shall not constitute a breach of this Declaration or any other agreement contemplated herein or of any duty or obligation of the Indemnified Person at law or in equity or otherwise.

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(c) Whenever in this Declaration an Indemnified Person is permitted or required to make a decision:

(i) in its "discretion" or under a grant of similar authority, the Indemnified Person shall be entitled to consider such interests and factors as it desires, including its own interests, and shall have no duty or obligation to give any consideration to any interest of or factors affecting the Trust or any other Person; or

(ii) in its "good faith" or under another express standard, the Indemnified Person shall act under such express standard and shall not be subject to any other or different standard imposed by this Declaration or by applicable law.

SECTION 10.4 Indemnification.

(a) (i) The Debenture Issuer shall indemnify, to the full extent permitted by law, any Company Indemnified Person who was or is a party or is threatened to be made a party to any threatened, pending or completed action, suit or proceeding, whether civil, criminal, administrative or investigative (other than an action by or in the right of the Trust) by reason of the fact that he is or was a Company Indemnified Person against expenses (including attorneys fees), judgments, fines and amounts paid in settlement actually and reasonably incurred by him in connection with such action, suit or proceeding if he acted in good faith and in a manner he reasonably believed to be in or not opposed to the best interests of the Trust, and, with respect to any criminal action or proceeding, had no reasonable cause to believe his conduct was unlawful. The termination of any action, suit or proceeding by judgment, order, settlement, conviction, or upon a plea of nolo contendere or its equivalent, shall not, of itself, create a presumption that the Company Indemnified Person did not act in good faith and in a manner which he reasonably believed to be in or not opposed to the best interests of the Trust, and, with respect to any criminal action or proceeding, had reasonable cause to believe that his conduct was unlawful

(ii) The Debenture Issuer shall indemnify, to the full extent permitted by law, any Company Indemnified Person who was or is a party or is threatened to be made a party to any threatened, pending or completed action or suit by or in the right of the Trust to procure a judgment in its favor by reason of the fact that he is or was a Company Indemnified Person against expenses (including attorneys' fees) actually and reasonably incurred by him in connection with the defense or settlement of such action or suit if he acted in good faith and in a manner he reasonably believed to be in or not opposed to the best interests of the Trust and except that no such indemnification shall be made in respect of any claim, issue or matter as to which such Company Indemnified Person shall have been adjudged to be liable to the Trust unless and only to the extent that the Court of Chancery of Delaware or the court in which such action or suit was brought shall determine upon application that, despite the adjudication of liability but in view of all the circumstances of the case, such person is fairly and reasonably entitled to indemnity for such expenses which such Court of Chancery or such other court shall deem proper.

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(iii) To the extent that a Company Indemnified Person shall be successful on the merits or otherwise (including dismissal of an action without prejudice or the settlement of an action without admission of liability) in defense of any action, suit or proceeding referred to in paragraphs (i) and (ii) of this Section 10.4(a), or in defense of any claim, issue or matter therein, he shall be indemnified, to the full extent permitted by law, against expenses (including attorneys' fees) actually and reasonably incurred by him in connection therewith.

(iv) Any indemnification under paragraphs (i) and (ii) of this Section
10.4(a) (unless ordered by a court) shall be made by the Debenture Issuer only as authorized in the specific case upon a determination that indemnification of the Company Indemnified Person is proper in the circumstances because he has met the applicable standard of conduct set forth in paragraphs (i) and (ii). Such determination shall be made (1) by the Regular Trustees by a majority vote of a quorum consisting of such Regular Trustees who were not parties to such action, suit or proceeding,
(2) if such a quorum is not obtainable, or, even if obtainable, if a quorum of disinterested Regular Trustees so directs, by independent legal counsel in a written opinion, or (3) by the Common Security Holder of the Trust.

(v) Expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred by a Company Indemnified Person in defending a civil, criminal, administrative or investigative action, suit or proceeding referred to in paragraphs (i) and
(ii) of this Section 10.4(a) shall be paid by the Debenture Issuer in advance of the final disposition of such action, suit or proceeding upon receipt of an undertaking by or on behalf of such Company Indemnified Person to repay such amount if it shall ultimately be determined that he is not entitled to be indemnified by the Debenture Issuer as authorized in this Section 10.4(a). Notwithstanding the foregoing, no advance shall be made by the Debenture Issuer if a determination is reasonably and promptly made (i) by the Regular Trustees by a majority vote of a quorum of disinterested Regular Trustees, (ii) if such a quorum is not obtainable, or, even if obtainable, if a quorum of disinterested Regular Trustees so directs, by independent legal counsel in a written opinion or (iii) the Common Security Holder of the Trust, that, based upon the facts known to the Regular Trustees, counsel or the Common Security Holder at the time such determination is made, such Company Indemnified Person acted in bad faith or in a manner that such person did not believe to be in or not opposed to the best interests of the Trust, or, with respect to any criminal proceeding, that such Company Indemnified Person believed or had reasonable cause to believe his conduct was unlawful. In no event shall any advance be made in instances where the Regular Trustees, independent legal counsel or Common Security Holder reasonably determine that such person deliberately breached his duty to the Trust or its Common or Preferred Security Holders.

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(vi) The indemnification and advancement of expenses provided by, or granted pursuant to, the other paragraphs of this Section 10.4(a) shall not be deemed exclusive of any other rights to which those seeking indemnification and advancement of expenses may be entitled under any agreement, vote of stockholders or disinterested directors of the Debenture Issuer or Preferred Security Holders of the Trust or otherwise, both as to action in his official capacity and as to action in another capacity while holding such office. All rights to indemnification under this Section 10.4(a) shall be deemed to be provided by a contract between the Debenture Issuer and each Company Indemnified Person who serves in such capacity at any time while this Section 10.4(a) is in effect. Any repeal or modification of this Section 10.4(a) shall not affect any rights or obligations then existing.

(vii) The Debenture Issuer may purchase and maintain insurance on behalf of any person who is or was a Company Indemnified Person against any liability asserted against him and incurred by him in any such capacity, or arising out of his status as such, whether or not the Debenture Issuer would have the power to indemnify him against such liability under the provisions of this Section 10.4(a).

(viii) For purposes of this Section 10.4(a), references to "the Trust" shall include, in addition to the resulting or surviving entity, any constituent entity (including any constituent of a constituent) absorbed in a consolidation or merger, so that any person who is or was a director, trustee, officer or employee of such constituent entity, or is or was serving at the request of such constituent entity as a director, trustee, officer, employee or agent of another entity, shall stand in the same position under the provisions of this Section 10.4(a) with respect to the resulting or surviving entity as he would have with respect to such constituent entity if its separate existence had continued.

(ix) The indemnification and advancement of expenses provided by, or granted pursuant to, this Section 10.4(a) shall, unless otherwise provided when authorized or ratified, continue as to a person who has ceased to be a Company Indemnified Person and shall inure to the benefit of the heirs, executors and administrators of such a person.

(b) The Sponsor agrees to indemnify (i) the Institutional Trustee, (ii) the Delaware Trustee, (iii) any Affiliate of the Institutional Trustee and the Delaware Trustee, and (iv) any officers, directors, shareholders, members, partners, employees, representatives, custodians, nominees or agents of the Institutional Trustee and the Delaware Trustee (each of the Persons in (i) through (iv) being referred to as a "Fiduciary Indemnified Person") for, and to hold each Fiduciary Indemnified Person harmless against, any loss, liability or expense incurred without negligence or bad faith on its part, arising out of or in connection with the acceptance or administration or the trust or trusts hereunder, including the costs and expenses (including reasonable legal fees and expenses) of defending itself against or investigating any claim or liability in connection with the exercise or performance of any of its powers or duties hereunder. The obligation to indemnify as set forth in this Section 10.4(b) shall survive the resignation or removal of the Institutional Trustee or the Delaware Trustee, the satisfaction and discharge of this Declaration and the termination of the Trust.

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(c) The Sponsor agrees to pay the Institutional Trustee and the Delaware Trustee, from time to time, such compensation for all services rendered by the Institutional Trustee and the Delaware Trustee hereunder as may be mutually agreed upon in writing by the Sponsor and the Institutional Trustee or the Delaware Trustee, as the case may be, and except as otherwise expressly provided herein, to reimburse the Institutional Trustee and the Delaware Trustee upon its or their request for all reasonable expenses (including counsel fees and expenses), disbursements and advances incurred or made by the Institutional Trustee or the Delaware Trustee, as the case may be, in accordance with the provisions of this Declaration, except any such expense, disbursement or advance as may be attributable to its or their negligence or bad faith.

SECTION 10.5 Outside Businesses.

Any Covered Person, the Sponsor, the Delaware Trustee and the Institutional Trustee (subject to Section 5.3(c)) may engage in or possess an interest in other business ventures of any nature or description, independently or with others, similar or dissimilar to the business of the Trust, and the Trust and the Holders of Securities shall have no rights by virtue of this Declaration in and to such independent ventures or the income or profits derived therefrom, and the pursuit of any such venture, even if competitive with the business of the Trust, shall not be deemed wrongful or improper. No Covered Person, the Sponsor, the Delaware Trustee, or the Institutional Trustee shall be obligated to present any particular investment or other opportunity to the Trust even if such opportunity is of a character that, if presented to the Trust, could be taken by the Trust, and any Covered Person, the Sponsor, the Delaware Trustee and the Institutional Trustee shall have the right to take for its own account (individually or as a partner or fiduciary) or to recommend to others any such particular investment or other opportunity. Any Covered Person, the Delaware Trustee and the Institutional Trustee may engage or be interested in any financial or other transaction with the Sponsor or any Affiliate of the Sponsor, or may act as depositary for, trustee or agent for, or act on any committee or body of holders of, securities or other obligations of the Sponsor or its Affiliates.

ARTICLE XI
ACCOUNTING

SECTION 11.1 Fiscal Year.

The fiscal year ("Fiscal Year") of the Trust shall be the calendar year, or such other year as is required by the Code.

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SECTION 11.2 Certain Accounting Matters.

(a) At all times during the existence of the Trust, the Regular Trustees shall keep, or cause to be kept, full books of account, records and supporting documents, which shall reflect in reasonable detail, each transaction of the Trust. The books of account shall be maintained on the accrual method of accounting, in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles of the United States, consistently applied. The Trust shall use the accrual method of accounting for United States federal income tax purposes.

(b) The Regular Trustees shall cause to be prepared and delivered to each of the Holders of Securities, within 90 days after the end of each Fiscal Year of the Trust, annual financial statements of the Trust, including a balance sheet of the Trust as of the end of such Fiscal Year, and the related statements of income or loss.

(c) The Regular Trustees shall cause to be duly prepared and delivered to each of the Holders of Securities, any annual United States federal income tax information statement, required by the Code, containing such information with regard to the Securities held by each Holder as is required by the Code and the Treasury Regulations. Notwithstanding any right under the Code to deliver any such statement at a later date, the Regular Trustees shall endeavor to deliver all such statements within 30 days after the end of each Fiscal Year of the Trust.

(d) The Regular Trustees shall cause to be duly prepared and filed with the appropriate taxing authority, an annual United States federal income tax return, on a Form 1041 or such other form required by United States federal income tax law, and any other annual income tax returns required to be filed by the Regular Trustees on behalf of the Trust with any state or local taxing authority.

SECTION 11.3 Banking.

The Trust shall maintain one or more bank accounts in the name and for the sole benefit of the Trust; provided, however, that all payments of funds in respect of the Debentures held by the Institutional Trustee shall be made directly to the Institutional Trustee Account and no other funds of the Trust shall be deposited in the Institutional Trustee Account. The sole signatories for such accounts shall be designated by the Regular Trustees; provided, however, that the Institutional Trustee shall designate the signatories for the Institutional Trustee Account.

SECTION 11.4 Withholding.

The Regular Trustees shall, and shall cause the Trust to, comply with all withholding requirements under United States federal, state and local law. The Trust shall request, and the Holders shall provide to the Trust, such forms or certificates as are necessary to establish an exemption from withholding with respect to each Holder, and any representations and forms as shall reasonably be requested by the Trust to assist it in determining the extent of, and in

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fulfilling, its withholding obligations. The Regular Trustees shall file required forms with applicable jurisdictions and, unless an exemption from withholding is properly established by a Holder, shall remit amounts withheld with respect to the Holder to applicable jurisdictions. To the extent that the Trust is required to withhold and pay over any amounts to any authority with respect to distributions or allocations to any Holder, the amount withheld shall be deemed to be a distribution in the amount of the withholding to the Holder. In the event of any claimed over withholding, Holders shall be limited to an action against the applicable jurisdiction. If the amount required to be withheld was not withheld from actual Distributions made, the Trust may reduce subsequent Distributions by the amount of such withholding.

ARTICLE XII
AMENDMENTS AND MEETINGS

SECTION 12.1 Amendments.

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this Declaration or by any applicable terms of the Securities, this Declaration may only be amended by a written instrument approved and executed by:

(i) the Regular Trustees (or, if there are more than two Regular Trustees a majority of the Regular Trustees);

(ii) if the amendment affects the rights, powers, duties, obligations or immunities of the Institutional Trustee, the Institutional Trustee; and

(iii) if the amendment affects the rights, powers, duties, obligations or immunities of the Delaware Trustee, the Delaware Trustee;

(b) no amendment shall be made, and any such purported amendment shall be void and ineffective:

(i) unless, in the case of any proposed amendment, the Institutional Trustee shall have first received an Officers' Certificate from each of the Trust and the Sponsor that such amendment is permitted by, and conforms to, the terms of this Declaration (including the terms of the Securities);

(ii) unless, in the case of any proposed amendment which affects the rights, powers, duties, obligations or immunities of the Institutional Trustee, the Institutional Trustee shall have first received:

(A) an Officers' Certificate from each of the Trust and the Sponsor that such amendment is permitted by, and conforms to, the terms of this Declaration (including the terms of the Securities); and

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(B) an opinion of counsel (who may be counsel to the Sponsor or the Trust) that such amendment is permitted by, and conforms to, the terms of this Declaration (including the terms of the Securities); and

(iii) to the extent the result of such amendment would be to:

(A) cause the trust to fail to continue to be classified for purposes of United States federal income taxation as a grantor trust;

(B) reduce or otherwise adversely affect the powers of the Institutional Trustee in contravention of the Trust Indenture Act; or

(C) cause the Trust to be deemed to be an Investment Company required to be registered under the Investment Company Act;

(c) at such time after the Trust has issued any Securities that remain outstanding, any amendment that would adversely affect the rights, privileges or preferences of any Holder of Securities may be effected only with such additional requirements as may be set forth in the terms of such Securities;

(d) Section 9.1(c) and this Section 12.1 shall not be amended without the consent of all of the Holders of the Securities;

(e) Article IV shall not be amended without the consent of the Holders of a Majority in liquidation amount of the Common Securities and;

(f) the rights of the Holders of the Common Securities under Article V to increase or decrease the number of, and appoint and remove Trustees shall not be amended without the consent of the Holders of a Majority in liquidation amount of the Common Securities; and

(g) subject to Section 12.1(c), this Declaration may be amended without the consent of the Holders of the Securities to:

(i) cure any ambiguity;

(ii) correct or supplement any provision in this Declaration that may be defective or inconsistent with any other provision of this Declaration;

(iii) add to the covenants, restrictions or obligations of the Sponsor;

(iv) to conform to any change in Rule 3a-5 or written change in interpretation or application of Rule 3a-5 by any legislative body, court, government agency or regulatory authority which amendment does not have a material adverse effect on the right, preferences or privileges of the Holders; and

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(v) to modify, eliminate and add to any provision of the Declaration to such extent as may be reasonably necessary to effectuate any of the foregoing or to otherwise comply with applicable law.

SECTION 12.2 Meetings of the Holders of Securities: Action by Written Consent.

(a) Meetings of the Holders of any class of Securities may be called at any time by the Regular Trustees (or as provided in the terms of the Securities) to consider and act on any matter on which Holders of such class of Securities are entitled to act under the terms of this Declaration, the terms of the Securities or the rules of any stock exchange on which the Preferred Securities are listed or admitted for trading. The Regular Trustees shall call a meeting of the Holders of such class if directed to do so by the Holders of Securities representing at least 25% in liquidation amount of such class of Securities. Such direction shall be given by delivering to the Regular Trustees one or more calls in a writing stating that the signing Holders of Securities wish to call a meeting and indicating the general or specific purpose for which the meeting is to be called. Any Holders of Securities calling a meeting shall specify in writing the Security Certificates held by the Holders of Securities exercising the right to call a meeting and only those Securities specified shall be counted for purposes of determining whether the required percentage set forth in the second sentence of this paragraph has been met.

(b) Except to the extent otherwise provided in the terms of the Securities, the following provisions shall apply to meetings of Holders of Securities:

(i) notice of any such meeting shall be given to all the Holders of Securities having a right to vote thereat at least 7 days but not more than 60 days before the date of such meeting. Whenever a vote, consent or approval of the Holders of Securities is permitted or required under this Declaration or the rules of any stock exchange on which the Preferred Securities are listed or admitted for trading, such vote, consent or approval may be given at a meeting of the Holders of Securities. Any action that may be taken at a meeting of the Holders of Securities may be taken without a meeting if a consent in writing setting forth the action so taken is signed by the Holders of Securities owning not less than the minimum amount of Securities in liquidation amount that would be necessary to authorize or take such action at a meeting at which all Holders of Securities having a right to vote thereon were present and voting. Prompt notice of the taking of action without a meeting shall be given to the Holders of Securities entitled to vote who have not consented in writing. The Regular Trustees may specify that any written ballot submitted to the Security Holder for the purpose of taking any action without a meeting shall be returned to the Trust within the time specified by the Regular Trustees;

(ii) each Holder of a Security may authorize any Person to act for it by proxy on all matters in which a Holder of Securities is entitled to participate, including waiving notice of any meeting, or voting or

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participating at a meeting. No proxy shall be valid after the expiration of 11 months from the date thereof unless otherwise provided in the proxy. Every proxy shall be revocable at the pleasure of the Holder of Securities executing it. Except as otherwise provided herein, all matters relating to the giving, voting or validity of proxies shall be governed by the General Corporation Law of the State of Delaware relating to proxies, and judicial interpretations thereunder, as if the Trust were a Delaware corporation and the Holders of the Securities were stockholders of a Delaware corporation;

(iii) each meeting of the Holders of the Securities shall be conducted by the Regular Trustees or by such other Person that the Regular Trustees may designate; and

(iv) unless the Business Trust Act, this Declaration, the terms of the Securities, the Trust Indenture Act or the listing rules of any stock exchange or market on which the Preferred Securities are then listed or traded, otherwise provides, the Regular Trustees, in their sole discretion, shall establish all other provisions relating to meetings of Holders of Securities, including notice of the time, place or purpose of any meeting at which any matter is to be voted on by any Holders of Securities, waiver of any such notice, action by consent without a meeting, the establishment of a record date, quorum requirements, voting in person or by proxy or any other matter with respect to the exercise of any such right to vote.

ARTICLE XIII
REPRESENTATIONS OF INSTITUTIONAL TRUSTEE
AND DELAWARE TRUSTEE

SECTION 13.1 Representations and Warranties of Institutional Trustee.

The Trustee that acts as initial Institutional Trustee represents and warrants to the Trust and to the Sponsor at the date of this Declaration, and each Successor Institutional Trustee represents and warrants to the Trust and the Sponsor at the time of the Successor Institutional Trustee's acceptance of its appointment as Institutional Trustee that:

(a) the Institutional Trustee is a New York banking corporation with trust powers, duly organized, validly existing and in good standing under the laws of the State of New York, with trust power and authority to execute and deliver, and to carry out and perform its obligations under the terms of, the Declaration;

(b) the execution, delivery and performance by the Institutional Trustee of the Declaration has been duly authorized by all necessary corporate action on the part of the Institutional Trustee. The Declaration has been duly executed and delivered by the Institutional Trustee, and it constitutes a legal, valid and binding obligation of the Institutional Trustee, enforceable against it in accordance with its terms, subject to applicable bankruptcy, reorganization, moratorium, insolvency, and other similar laws affecting creditors' rights generally and to general principles of equity and the discretion of the court (regardless of whether the enforcement of such remedies is considered in a proceeding in equity or at law);

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(c) the execution, delivery and performance of the Declaration by the Institutional Trustee does not conflict with or constitute a breach of the Articles of Incorporation or by-laws of the Institutional Trustee; and

(d) no consent, approval or authorization of, or registration with or notice to, any State or Federal banking authority governing the banking or trust powers of the Institutional Trustee is required for the execution, delivery or performance by the Institutional Trustee, of the Declaration.

SECTION 13.2 Representations and Warranties of Delaware Trustee.

The Trustee that acts as initial Delaware Trustee represents and warrants to the Trust and to the Sponsor at the date of this Declaration, and each Successor Delaware Trustee represents and warrants to the Trust and the Sponsor at the time of the Successor Delaware Trustee's acceptance of its appointment as Delaware Trustee that:

(a) The Delaware Trustee is a national banking association with trust powers, duly organized, validly existing and in good standing under the laws of the State of Delaware, with trust power and authority to execute and deliver, and to carry out and perform its obligations under the terms of, the Declaration.

(b) The Delaware Trustee has been authorized to perform its obligations under the Certificate of Trust and the Declaration. The Declaration under Delaware law constitutes a legal, valid and binding obligation of the Delaware Trustee, enforceable against it in accordance with its terms, subject to applicable bankruptcy, reorganization, moratorium, insolvency, and other similar laws affecting creditors' rights generally and to general principles of equity and the discretion of the court (regardless of whether the enforcement of such remedies is considered in a proceeding in equity or at law).

(c) No consent, approval or authorization of, or registration with or notice to, any State or Federal banking authority governing the banking or trust powers of the Institutional Trustee is required for the execution, delivery or performance by the Delaware Trustee of the Declaration.

(d) The Delaware Trustee has its principal place of business in the State of Delaware.

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ARTICLE XIV
MISCELLANEOUS

SECTION 14.1 Notices.

All notices provided for in this Declaration shall be in writing, duly signed by the party giving such notice, and shall be delivered, telecopied or mailed by registered or certified mail, as follows:

(a) if given to the Trust, in care of the Regular Trustees at the Trust's mailing address set forth below (or such other address as the Trust may give notice of to the Institutional Trustee, the Delaware Trustee and the Holders of the Securities):

St. Paul Capital Trust II c/o The St. Paul Companies, Inc. 385 Washington Street

St. Paul, Minnesota 55102 Attention: Bruce A. Backberg With a copy to: Treasurer

(b) if given to the Delaware Trustee, at the mailing address set forth below (or such other address as Delaware Trustee may give notice of to the Holders of the Securities):

Chase Manhattan Bank USA, National Association c/o J.P. Morgan Chase
500 Stanton Christiana Road, Fl 3 / OPS4 Newark, Delaware 19713 Attention: Institutional Trust Services

(c) if given to the Institutional Trustee, at its Corporate Trust Office (or such other address as the Institutional Trustee may give notice of to the Holders of the Securities):

JPMorgan Chase Bank
450 West 33rd Street, 15th Floor New York, New York 10001 Attention: Institutional Trust Services

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(d) if given to the Holder of the Common Securities, at the mailing address of the Sponsor set forth below (or such other address as the Holder of the Common Securities may give notice of to the Trust):

The St. Paul Companies, Inc. 385 Washington Street
St. Paul, Minnesota 55102 Attention: Bruce A. Backberg With a copy to: Treasurer

(e) if given to any other Holder, at the address set forth on the books and records of the Trust.

All such notices shall be deemed to have been given when received in person, telecopied with receipt confirmed, or mailed by first class mail, postage prepaid except that if a notice or other document is refused delivery or cannot be delivered because of a changed address of which no notice was given, such notice or other document shall be deemed to have been delivered on the date of such refusal or inability to deliver.

SECTION 14.2 Governing Law.

This Declaration and the rights of the parties hereunder shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of the State of Delaware and all rights and remedies shall be governed by such laws without regard to principles of conflict of laws.

SECTION 14.3 Intention of the Parties.

It is the intention of the parties hereto that the Trust be classified for United States federal income tax purposes as a grantor trust. The provisions of this Declaration shall be interpreted to further this intention of the parties.

SECTION 14.4 Headings.

Headings contained in this Declaration are inserted for convenience of reference only and do not affect the interpretation of this Declaration or any provision hereof

SECTION 14.5 Successors and Assigns.

Whenever in this Declaration any of the parties hereto is named or referred to, the successors and assigns of such party shall be deemed to be included, and all covenants and agreements in this Declaration by the Sponsor and the Trustees shall bind and inure to the benefit of their respective successors and assigns, whether so expressed.

SECTION 14.6 Partial Enforceability.

If any provision of this Declaration, or the application of such provision to any Person or circumstance, shall be held invalid, the remainder of this Declaration, or the application of such provision to persons or circumstances other than those to which it is held invalid, shall not be affected thereby.

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SECTION 14.7 Counterparts.

This Declaration may contain more than one counterpart of the signature page and this Declaration may be executed by the affixing of the signature of each of the parties hereto to one of such counterpart signature pages. All of such counterpart signature pages shall be read as though one, and they shall have the same force and effect as though all of the signers had signed a single signature page.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned has caused these presents to be executed as of the day and year first above written.


Thomas A. Bradley, as Regular Trustee


Bruce A. Backberg, as Regular Trustee

CHASE MANHATTAN BANK USA, NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION, as Delaware Trustee

By:

Name: [____________] Title: [____________]

JPMORGAN CHASE BANK, as Institutional Trustee

By:
Name: [____________] Title: [____________]

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC., as Sponsor
and Debenture Issuer

By:

Name: Bruce A. Backberg Title: Senior Vice President

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ANNEX I
TERMS OF
[ ]% TRUST PREFERRED SECURITIES
[ ]% TRUST COMMON SECURITIES

Pursuant to Section 7.1 of the Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust, dated as of [_________, 200__] (as amended from time to time, the "Declaration"), the designation, rights, privileges, restrictions, preferences and other terms and provisions of the Preferred Securities and the Common Securities are set out below (each capitalized term used but not defined herein has the meaning set forth in the Declaration or, if not defined in such Declaration, as defined in the Prospectus referred to below):

1. Designation and Number.

(a) Preferred Securities. [____________ ( _______ )] Preferred Securities of the Trust with an aggregate liquidation amount with respect to the assets of the Trust of [_________] dollars [($_________)] and a liquidation amount with respect to the assets of the Trust of [$ ] per preferred security, are hereby designated for the purposes of identification only as "[ ]% Trust Preferred Securities" (the "Preferred Securities"). The Preferred Security Certificates evidencing the Preferred Securities shall be substantially in the form of Exhibit A-1 to the Declaration, with such changes and additions thereto or deletions therefrom as may be required by ordinary usage, custom or practice or to conform to the rules of any stock exchange on which the Preferred Securities are listed.

(b) Common Securities. [____________ ( _______ )] Common Securities of the Trust with an aggregate liquidation amount with respect to the assets of the Trust of [_________] dollars [($_________)] and a liquidation amount with respect to the assets of the Trust of [$ ] per common security, are hereby designated for the purposes of identification only as "[ ]% Trust Common Securities" (the "Common Securities"). The Common Security Certificates evidencing the Common Securities shall be substantially in the form of Exhibit A-2 to the Declaration, with such changes and additions thereto or deletions therefrom as may be required by ordinary usage, custom or practice.

2. Distributions.

(a) Distributions payable on each Security will be fixed at a rate per annum of [ ]% (the "Coupon Rate") of the stated liquidation amount of [$ ] per Security, such rate being the rate of interest payable on the Debentures to be held by the Institutional Trustee. Distributions in arrears beyond the first date such Distributions are payable (or would be payable if not for any Extension Period (as defined below) or default by the Debenture Issuer on the Debentures) will bear interest thereon at the Coupon Rate compounded quarterly (to the extent permitted by applicable law) from the relevant payment date for such Distribution. The term "Distributions" as used herein includes such cash distributions and any such interest payable unless otherwise stated. A Distribution is payable only to the extent that payments are made in respect of the Debentures held by the Institutional Trustee and to the extent the


Institutional Trustee has funds available therefor. The amount of Distributions payable for any period will be computed for any full quarterly Distribution period on the basis of a 360-day year consisting of twelve 30-day months. Distributions payable for any period shorter than a full quarterly Distribution period for which Distributions are computed will be computed on the basis of a 30-day month and, for periods of less than one month, the actual number of days elapsed during such month.

(b) Distributions on the Securities will be cumulative, will accrue from and including [________, 200__], and will be payable quarterly in arrears, on
[__________], [_________], [_________] and [_________] of each year, commencing on [_________, 200__]. When, as and if available for payment, Distributions will be made by the Institutional Trustee, except as otherwise described below. The Debenture Issuer has the right under the Indenture to defer payments of interest on the Debentures by extending each interest payment period from time to time on the Debentures for a period not exceeding 20 consecutive quarterly periods (each an "Extension Period"), during which Extension Period no interest shall be due and payable on the Debentures, provided that no Extension Period may extend beyond the date of maturity or prepayment of the Debentures. As a consequence of the Debenture Issuer's extension of the interest payment period, Distributions will also be deferred. Despite such deferral, quarterly Distributions will continue to accrue with interest thereon (to the extent permitted by applicable law) at the Coupon Rate compounded quarterly (to the extent permitted by applicable law) from the relevant payment date for such Distribution during any such Extension Period. In the event that the Debenture Issuer exercises its right to extend the interest payment period, then (a) the Debenture Issuer shall not declare or pay any dividend on, make any distributions with respect to, or redeem, purchase, acquire or make a liquidation payment with respect to, any of its capital stock or make any guarantee payment with respect thereto (other than
(i) repurchases, redemptions or other acquisitions of shares of capital stock of The St. Paul in connection with any employment contract, benefit plan or other similar arrangement with or for the benefit of employees, officers, directors or consultants, (ii) repurchases, redemptions or other acquisitions of shares of capital stock of The St. Paul Companies or such subsidiary as a result of an exchange or conversion of any class or series of capital stock of The St. Paul for any other class or series of the capital stock of The St. Paul's or such subsidiary's, (iii) the purchase of fractional interests in shares of capital stock of The St. Paul pursuant to the conversion or exchange provisions of such capital stock or the security being converted or exchanged, or (iv) distributions of rights under any shareholders' rights plan adopted by The St. Paul or such subsidiary) and (b) the Debenture Issuer shall not make any payment of interest on or principal of (or premium, if any, on), or repay, repurchase or redeem, any debt securities issued by the Debenture Issuer or its subsidiaries that rank pari passu with or junior to the Debentures. The foregoing, however, will not apply to any stock dividends paid by The St. Paul where the dividend stock is the same stock as that on which the dividend is being paid. Prior to the termination of any such Extension Period, the Debenture Issuer may further extend such Extension Period; provided that such Extension Period, together with all such previous and further extensions thereof, may not exceed 20 quarterly

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periods; provided, further, that no Extension Period may extend beyond the maturity of the Debentures. Payments of accrued Distributions will be payable to Holders as they appear on the books and records of the Trust on the first record date after the end of the Extension Period. Upon the termination of any Extension Period and the payment of all amounts then due, the Debenture Issuer may commence a new Extension Period, subject to the above requirements. The Regular Trustees will give notice to each Holder of any Extension Period upon their receipt of notice thereof from the Debenture Issuer.

(c) Distributions on the Securities will be payable to the Holders thereof as they appear on the books and records of the Trust at the close of business on the relevant record dates. While the Preferred Securities remain in book-entry only form, the relevant record dates shall be one Business Day prior to the relevant payment dates which payment dates shall correspond to the interest payment dates on the Debentures. Subject to any applicable laws and regulations and the provisions of the Declaration, each such payment in respect of the Preferred Securities will be made as described under the heading "Book-Entry Issuance" in the Prospectus, dated [_________, 200__] (the "Prospectus"), of the Trust included in the Registration Statement on Form S-3 of the Sponsor and the Trust. The relevant record dates for the Common Securities shall be the same record date as for the Preferred Securities. If the Preferred Securities shall not continue to remain in book-entry only form, the relevant record dates for the Preferred Securities shall conform to the rules of any securities exchange on which the securities are listed and, if none, shall be selected by the Regular Trustees, which dates shall be at least 14 days but no more than 60 days before the relevant payment dates, which payment dates shall correspond to the interest payment dates on the Debentures. Distributions payable on any Securities that are not punctually paid on any Distribution payment date, as a result of the Debenture Issuer having failed to make a payment under the Debentures (other than while an Extension Period shall be continuing), will cease to be payable to the Person in whose name such Securities are registered on the relevant record date, and such defaulted Distribution will instead be payable to the Person in whose name such Securities are registered on the special record date or other specified date determined in accordance with the Indenture. If any date on which Distributions are payable on the Securities is not a Business Day, then payment of the Distribution payable on such date will be made on the next succeeding day that is a Business Day (and without any interest or other payment in respect of any such delay) except that, if such Business Day is in the next succeeding calendar year, such payment shall be made on the immediately preceding Business Day, in each case with the same force and effect as if made on such Distribution payment date.

(d) In the event that there is any money or other property held by or for the Trust that is not accounted for hereunder, such property shall be distributed Pro Rata (as defined herein) among the Holders of the Securities.

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3. Liquidation Distribution Upon Dissolution.

In the event of any voluntary or involuntary liquidation, dissolution or winding-up of the Trust, the Holders of the Securities on the date of the liquidation, dissolution or winding-up, as the case may be, will be entitled to receive out of the assets of the Trust available for distribution to Holders of Securities after satisfaction of liabilities of creditors, distributions in an amount equal to the aggregate of the stated liquidation amount of [$ ] per Security plus accrued and unpaid Distributions thereon to the date of payment (such amount being the "Liquidation Distribution"), unless, in connection with such liquidation, dissolution, or winding-up, Debentures in an aggregate principal amount equal to the aggregate stated liquidation amount of, with an interest rate equal to the Coupon Rate, and bearing accrued and unpaid interest in an amount equal to the accrued and unpaid Distributions on, such Securities outstanding at such time, have been distributed on a Pro Rata basis to the Holders of the Securities in exchange for such Securities.

If, upon any such liquidation, dissolution, or winding-up the Liquidation Distribution can be paid only in part because the Trust has insufficient assets available to pay in full the aggregate Liquidation Distribution, then the amounts payable directly by the Trust on the Securities shall be paid on a Pro Rata basis, as such term is defined in Section 8 below.

4. Redemption and Distribution.

(a) Upon the repayment of the Debentures in whole or in part, whether at maturity or upon redemption (either at the option of the Debenture Issuer or pursuant to a Special Event, as described below), the proceeds from such repayment or payment shall be simultaneously applied to redeem Securities having an aggregate liquidation amount equal to the aggregate principal amount of the Debentures so repaid or redeemed at a redemption price equal to the proceeds from such repayment or redemption of the Debentures (the "Redemption Price"). Holders shall be given not less than 30 nor more than 60 days notice of such redemption.

(b) If fewer than all the outstanding Securities are to be so redeemed, the Securities will be redeemed Pro Rata and the Preferred Securities to be redeemed will be as described in Section 4(h)(ii) below.

(c) The Debenture Issuer shall have the right, at any time, to dissolve the Trust and, after satisfaction of creditors, cause Debentures held by the Institutional Trustee, having an aggregate principal amount equal to the aggregate stated liquidation amount of, with an interest rate identical to the Coupon Rate, and with accrued and unpaid interest equal to accrued and unpaid Distributions on, the Securities outstanding at such time, to be distributed to the Holders of the Securities in liquidation of such Holders' interests in the Trust on a Pro Rata basis.

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(d) The Debenture Issuer shall have the right (subject to the conditions set forth in the Indenture) to elect to prepay the Debentures, in whole or in part, at any time on or after [________, 200__] (the "Initial Optional Redemption Date"), and, simultaneous with such prepayment, to cause a Like Amount (as defined below) of the Debentures to be redeemed by the Trust at the Optional Redemption Price on a Pro Rata basis.

"Like Amount" means, with respect to a redemption of the Securities, Securities having a stated liquidation amount equal to the principal amount of Debentures to be paid in accordance with their terms.

"Optional Redemption Price" means an amount equal to 100% of the stated liquidation amount of the Securities to be redeemed by the Trust plus accumulated and unpaid Distributions thereon, if any to the date of such redemption.

(e) The Debenture Issuer shall have the right, upon not less than 30 nor more than 60 days notice, to redeem the Debentures, in whole but not in part, for cash within 90 days following the occurrence of a Tax Event or an Investment Company Event (each as defined below, and each a "Special Event"), and, following such redemption, Securities with an aggregate liquidation amount equal to the aggregate principal amount of the Debentures so redeemed shall be redeemed by the Trust at the Redemption Price on a Pro Rata basis.

"Tax Event" means that the Regular Trustees shall have received an opinion of a nationally recognized independent tax counsel experienced in such matters (a "Tax Event Opinion") to the effect that, as a result of (a) any amendment to, or change (including any announced prospective change) in, the laws (or any regulations thereunder) of the United States or any political subdivision or taxing authority thereof or therein, or (b) as a result of any official administrative pronouncement or judicial decision interpreting or applying such laws or regulations, which amendment or change is effective or which pronouncement or decision is announced on or after the date of the original issuance of the Securities there is more than an insubstantial risk that (i) the Trust is, or will be within 90 days of the date of such opinion, subject to United States federal income tax with respect to income accrued or received on the Debentures, (ii) the Trust is, or, within 90 days of the date of such opinion, will be subject to more than a de minimis amount of other taxes, duties or other governmental charges, or (iii) interest payable to the Trust on the Debentures is not or will not, within 90 days of the date of such opinion, be deductible, in whole or in part, by the Debenture Issuer for United States federal income tax purposes.

"Investment Company Event" means that the Regular Trustees shall have received an opinion of a nationally recognized independent counsel experienced in practice under the Investment Company Act (an "Investment Company Event Opinion") to the effect that, as a result of (a) an amendment to or a change (including any announced prospective change) in law or regulation of the United

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States or any rules, guidelines or policies of any applicable regulatory authority for the Debenture Issuer, or (b) as a result of any official administrative pronouncement or judicial decision interpreting or applying such laws or regulations, which amendment or change is effective or which pronouncement or decision is announced on or after the date of the original issuance of the Securities (a "Change in 1940 Act Law"), there is a more than an insubstantial risk that the Trust is or will be considered, within 90 days of the date of such opinion, an Investment Company which is required to be registered under the Investment Company Act.

On and from the date fixed by the Regular Trustees for any distribution of Debentures and dissolution of the Trust: (i) the Securities will no longer be deemed to be outstanding, (ii) DTC or its nominee (or any successor Clearing Agency or its nominee), as the record Holder of the Preferred Securities, will receive a registered global certificate or certificates representing the Debentures to be delivered upon such distribution and (iii) any certificates representing Securities, except for certificates representing Preferred Securities held by DTC or its nominee (or any successor Clearing Agency or its nominee), will be deemed to represent beneficial interests in the Debentures having an aggregate principal amount equal to the aggregate stated liquidation amount of, with an interest rate identical to the Coupon Rate of, and accrued and unpaid interest equal to accrued and unpaid Distributions on such Securities until such certificates are presented to the Debenture Issuer or its agent for transfer or reissue.

(f) The Trust may not redeem fewer than all the outstanding Securities unless all accrued and unpaid Distributions have been paid on all Securities for all quarterly Distribution periods terminating on or before the date of redemption.

(g) If the Debentures are distributed to Holders of the Securities, pursuant to the terms of the Indenture, the Debenture Issuer will use its best efforts to have the Debentures listed on the New York Stock Exchange or on such other exchange as the Preferred Securities were listed immediately prior to the distribution of the Debentures.

(h) Redemption or Distribution procedures will be as follows:

(i) Notice of any redemption of, or notice of distribution of Debentures in exchange for the Securities (a "Redemption/Distribution Notice") will be given by the Trust by mail to each Holder of Securities to be redeemed or exchanged not fewer than 30 nor more than 60 days before the date fixed for redemption or exchange thereof which, in the case of a redemption, will be the date fixed for redemption of the Debentures. For purposes of the calculation of the date of redemption or exchange and the dates on which notices are given pursuant to this Section 4(h)(i), a Redemption/ Distribution Notice shall be deemed to be given on the day such notice is first mailed by first-class mail, postage prepaid, to Holders of Securities. Each Redemption/Distribution Notice shall be addressed to the Holders of Securities at the address of each such Holder appearing in the books and records of the Trust. No defect in the Redemption/ Distribution Notice or in the mailing of either thereof with respect to any Holder shall affect the validity of the redemption or exchange proceedings with respect to any other Holder.

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(ii) In the event that fewer than all the outstanding Securities are to be redeemed, the Securities to be redeemed shall be redeemed Pro Rata from each Holder of Preferred Securities, it being understood that, in respect of Preferred Securities registered in the name of and held of record by DTC or its nominee (or any successor Clearing Agency or its nominee) or any nominee, the distribution of the proceeds of such redemption will be made to each Clearing Agency Participant (or Person on whose behalf such nominee holds such securities) in accordance with the procedures applied by such agency or nominee.

(iii) If Securities are to be redeemed and the Trust gives a Redemption/Distribution Notice, which notice may only be issued if the Debentures are redeemed as set out in this Section 4 (which notice will be irrevocable), then (A) while the Preferred Securities are in book-entry only form, with respect to the Preferred Securities, by 12:00 noon, New York City time, on the redemption date, provided, that the Debenture Issuer has paid the Institutional Trustee a sufficient amount of cash in connection with the related redemption or maturity of the Debentures, the Institutional Trustee will deposit irrevocably with DTC or its nominee (or successor Clearing Agency or its nominee) funds sufficient to pay the applicable Redemption Price with respect to the Preferred Securities and will give DTC (or any successor Clearing Agency) irrevocable instructions and authority to pay the Redemption Price to the Preferred Security Beneficial Owners, and (B) with respect to Preferred Securities issued in definitive form and Common Securities, provided that the Debenture Issuer has paid the Institutional Trustee a sufficient amount of cash in connection with the related redemption or maturity of the Debentures, the Institutional Trustee will pay the relevant Redemption Price to the Holders of such Securities by check mailed to the address of the relevant Holder appearing on the books and records of the Trust on the redemption date. If a Redemption/Distribution Notice shall have been given and funds deposited as required, if applicable, then immediately prior to the close of business on the date of such deposit, or on the redemption date, as applicable, Distributions will cease to accrue on the Securities so called for redemption and all rights of Holders of such Securities so called for redemption will cease, except the right of the Holders of such Securities to receive the Redemption Price, but without interest on such Redemption Price. Neither the Regular Trustees nor the Trust shall be required to register or cause to be registered the transfer of any Securities that have been so called for redemption. If any date fixed for redemption of Securities is not a Business Day, then payment of the Redemption Price payable on such date will be made on the next succeeding day that is a Business Day (and without any interest or other payment in respect of any such delay) except that, if such Business Day falls in the next calendar year, such payment will be made on the immediately preceding Business Day, in each case with the same force and effect as if made on such date fixed for redemption. If payment of the Redemption Price in respect of any

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Securities is improperly withheld or refused and not paid either by the Institutional Trustee or by the Sponsor as guarantor pursuant to the Preferred Securities Guarantee, Distributions on such Securities will continue to accrue from the original redemption date to the actual date of payment, in which case the actual payment date will be considered the date fixed for redemption for purposes of calculating the Redemption Price.

(iv) Redemption/Distribution Notices shall be sent by the Regular Trustees on behalf of the Trust to (A) in respect of the Preferred Securities, DTC or its nominee (or any successor Clearing Agency or its nominee) if the Global Certificates have been issued or, if Definitive Preferred Security Certificates have been issued, to the Holder thereof, and (B) in respect of the Common Securities to the Holder thereof.

(v) Subject to the foregoing and applicable law (including, without limitation, United States federal securities laws), the Debenture Issuer or its affiliates may at any time and from time to time purchase outstanding Preferred Securities by tender, in the open market or by private agreement.

5. Voting Rights - Preferred Securities.

(a) Except as provided under Sections 5(b) and 7 and as otherwise required by law and the Declaration, the Holders of the Preferred Securities will have no voting rights.

(b) Subject to the requirements set forth in this paragraph, the Holders of a Majority in aggregate liquidation amount of the Preferred Securities, voting separately as a class, may direct the time, method, and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Institutional Trustee, or direct the exercise of any trust or power conferred upon the Institutional Trustee under the Declaration, including the right to direct the Institutional Trustee, as holder of the Debentures, to (i) direct the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Debenture Trustee, or exercise any trust or power conferred on the Debenture Trustee with respect to the Debentures, (ii) waive any past Event of Default that is waivable under the Indenture, (iii) exercise any right to rescind or annul a declaration that the principal of all the Debentures shall be due and payable or (iv) consent to any amendment, modification or termination of the Indenture or the Debentures where such consent shall be required, provided, however, that, where a consent or action under the Indenture would require the consent or act of the Holders of greater than a majority in principal amount of Debentures affected thereby (a "Super Majority"), the Institutional Trustee may only give such consent or take such action at the written direction of the Holders of at least the proportion in liquidation amount of the Preferred Securities which the relevant Super Majority represents of the aggregate principal amount of the Debentures outstanding. The Institutional Trustee shall not revoke any action previously authorized or approved by a vote of the Holders of the Preferred Securities. Except with respect to directing the time, method and place of conducting a proceeding for a remedy available to the Institutional Trustee, the Institutional Trustee, as holder of the Debentures, shall not take any of the actions described in clauses (i), (ii), (iii) or (iv) above unless the Institutional Trustee has obtained, at the expense of the Holder of Common

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Securities, an opinion of a nationally recognized independent tax counsel experienced in such matters to the effect that as a result of such action, the Trust will not fail to be classified as a grantor trust for United States federal income tax purposes. If the Institutional Trustee fails to enforce its rights under the Declaration, (other than by reason of the failure to obtain the opinion set forth in the previous sentence) any Holder of Preferred Securities may, to the fullest extent permitted by law, directly institute a legal proceeding against the Debenture Issuer to enforce the Institutional Trustee's rights under the Debentures without first instituting a legal proceeding against the Institutional Trustee or any other Person. If a Declaration Event of Default has occurred and is continuing and such event is attributable to the failure of the Debenture Issuer to pay interest or principal on the Debentures on the date such interest or principal is otherwise payable (or in the case of redemption, on the redemption date), then a Holder of Preferred Securities may also directly institute a proceeding for enforcement of payment to such Holder (a "Direct Action") of the principal of or interest on the Debentures having a principal amount equal to the aggregate liquidation amount of the Preferred Securities of such Holder on or after the respective due date specified in the Debentures without first (i) directing the Institutional Trustee to enforce the terms of the Debentures or (ii) instituting a legal proceeding directly against the Debenture Issuer to enforce the Institutional Trustee's rights under the Debentures. Except as provided in the preceding sentence, the Holders of Preferred Securities will not be able to exercise directly any other remedy available to the Holders of the Debentures. In connection with such Direct Action, The St. Paul will be subrogated to the rights of such Holder of Preferred Securities under the Declaration to the extent of any payment made by The St. Paul to such Holder of Preferred Securities in such Direct Action.

(c) Any required approval or direction of Holders of Preferred Securities may be given at a separate meeting of Holders of Preferred Securities convened for such purpose, at a meeting of all of the Holders of Securities in the Trust or pursuant to written consent. The Regular Trustees or, at their election, the Institutional Trustee, will cause a notice of any meeting at which Holders of Preferred Securities are entitled to vote to be mailed to each Holder of record of Preferred Securities. Each such notice will include a statement setting forth
(i) the date of such meeting or the date by which such action is to be taken,
(ii) a description of any resolution proposed for adoption at such meeting on which such Holders are entitled to vote or of such matter upon which written consent is sought and (iii) instructions for the delivery of proxies or consents.

No vote or consent of the Holders of the Preferred Securities will be required for the Trust to redeem and cancel Preferred Securities or to distribute the Debentures in accordance with the Declaration and the terms of the Securities.

Notwithstanding that Holders of Preferred Securities are entitled to vote or consent under any of the circumstances described above, any of the Preferred Securities that are owned by the Sponsor or any Affiliate of the Sponsor shall not be entitled to vote or consent and shall, for purposes of such vote or consent, be treated as if they were not outstanding.

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6. Voting Rights - Common Securities.

(a) Except as provided under Sections 6(b), (c) and 7 as otherwise required by law and the Declaration, the Holders of the Common Securities will have no voting rights.

(b) The Holders of the Common Securities are entitled, in accordance with Article V of the Declaration, to vote to appoint, remove or replace any Trustee or to increase or decrease the number of Trustees.

Subject to Section 2.6 of the Declaration and only after the Event of Default with respect to the Preferred Securities has been cured, waived, or otherwise eliminated and subject to the requirements of the second to last sentence of this paragraph, the Holders of a Majority in aggregate liquidation amount of the Common Securities, voting separately as a class, may direct the time, method, and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Institutional Trustee, or direct the exercise of any trust or power conferred upon the Institutional Trustee under the Declaration, including (i) directing the time, method, place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Debenture Trustee, or exercising any trust or power conferred on the Debenture Trustee with respect to the Debentures, (ii) waiving any past default and its consequences that is waivable under the Indenture, or (iii) exercising any right to rescind or annul a declaration that the principal of all the Debentures shall be due and payable, provided that, where a consent or action under the Indenture would require the consent or act of Super Majority, the Institutional Trustee may only give such consent or take such action at the written direction of the Holders of at least the proportion in liquidation amount of the Common Securities which the relevant Super Majority represents of the aggregate principal amount of the Debentures outstanding. Pursuant to this
Section 6(c), the Institutional Trustee shall not revoke any action previously authorized or approved by a vote of the Holders of the Preferred Securities. Other than with respect to directing the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Institutional Trustee or the Debenture Trustee as set forth above, the Institutional Trustee shall not take any action in accordance with the directions of the Holders of the Common Securities under this paragraph unless the Institutional Trustee has obtained , at the expense of the Holder of Common Securities, an opinion of tax counsel to the effect that for the purposes of United States federal income tax the Trust will not be classified as other than a grantor trust on account of such action. If the Institutional Trustee fails to enforce its rights under the Declaration, any Holder of Common Securities may institute a legal proceeding directly against any Person to enforce the Institutional Trustee's rights under the Declaration without first instituting a legal proceeding against the Institutional Trustee or any other Person.

Any approval or direction of Holders of Common Securities may be given at a separate meeting of Holders of Common Securities convened for such purpose, at a meeting of all of the Holders of Securities in the Trust or pursuant to written consent. The Regular Trustees will cause a notice of any meeting at which Holders of Common Securities are entitled to vote to be mailed to each Holder of

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record of Common Securities. Each such notice will include a statement setting forth (i) the date of such meeting, (ii) a description of any resolution proposed for adoption at such meeting on which such Holders are entitled to vote and (iii) instructions for the delivery of proxies.

No vote or consent of the Holders of the Common Securities will be required for the Trust to redeem and cancel Common Securities or to distribute the Debentures in accordance with the Declaration and the terms of the Securities.

7. Amendments to Declaration and Indenture.

(a) In addition to any requirements under Section 12.1 of the Declaration, if any proposed amendment to the Declaration provides for, or the Regular Trustees otherwise propose to effect, (i) any action that would adversely affect the powers, preferences or special rights of the Securities, whether by way of amendment to the Declaration or otherwise, or (ii) the dissolution, winding-up or termination of the Trust, other than as described in Section 8.1 of the Declaration, then the Holders of outstanding Securities as a class, will be entitled to vote on such amendment or proposal (but not on any other amendment or proposal) and such amendment or proposal shall not be effective except with the approval of the Holders of at least a Majority in liquidation amount of the Securities, voting together as a single class; provided, however, if any amendment or proposal referred to in clause (i) above would adversely affect only the Preferred Securities or only the Common Securities, then only the affected class will be entitled to vote on such amendment or proposal and such amendment or proposal shall not be effective except with the approval of a Majority in liquidation amount of such class of Securities.

(b) In the event the consent of the Institutional Trustee as the holder of the Debentures is required under the Indenture with respect to any amendment, modification or termination on the Indenture or the Debentures, the Institutional Trustee shall request the written direction of the Holders of the Securities with respect to such amendment, modification or termination and shall vote with respect to such amendment, modification or termination as directed by a Majority in liquidation amount of the Securities voting together as a single class; provided, however, that where a consent under the Indenture would require the consent of the holders of greater than a majority in aggregate principal amount of the Debentures (a "Super Majority", as defined in Section 5(b)), the Institutional Trustee may only give such consent at the direction of the Holders of at least the proportion in liquidation amount of the Securities which the relevant Super Majority represents of the aggregate principal amount of the Debentures outstanding; provided, further, that the Institutional Trustee shall not take any action in accordance with the directions of the Holders of the Securities under this Section 7(b) unless the Institutional Trustee has obtained, at the expense of the Holder of Common Securities, an opinion of tax counsel to the effect that for the purposes of United States federal income tax the Trust will not be classified as other than a grantor trust on account of such action.

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8. Pro Rata.

A reference in these terms of the Securities to any payment, distribution or treatment as being "Pro Rata" shall mean pro rata to each Holder of Securities according to the aggregate liquidation amount of the Securities held by the relevant Holder in relation to the aggregate liquidation amount of all Securities outstanding unless, in relation to a payment, an Event of Default under the Declaration has occurred and is continuing, in which case any funds available to make such payment shall be paid first to each Holder of the Preferred Securities pro rata according to the aggregate liquidation amount of Preferred Securities held by the relevant Holder relative to the aggregate liquidation amount of all Preferred Securities outstanding, and only after satisfaction of all amounts owed to the Holders of the Preferred Securities, to each Holder of Common Securities pro rata according to the aggregate liquidation amount of Common Securities held by the relevant Holder relative to the aggregate liquidation amount of all Common Securities outstanding.

9. Ranking.

The Preferred Securities rank pari passu and payment thereon shall be made Pro Rata with the Common Securities except that, where an Event of Default occurs and is continuing under the Indenture in respect of the Debentures held by the Institutional Trustee, the rights of Holders of the Common Securities to payment in respect of Distributions and payments upon liquidation, redemption and otherwise are subordinated to the rights to payment of the Holders of the Preferred Securities.

10. Listing.

The Regular Trustees shall use their reasonable best efforts to cause the Preferred Securities to be listed on the New York Stock Exchange, Inc.

11. Acceptance of Securities Guarantee and Indenture.

Each Holder of Preferred Securities and Common Securities, by the acceptance thereof, agrees to the provisions of the Preferred Securities Guarantee, including the subordination provisions therein and to the provisions of the Indenture.

12. No Preemptive Rights.

The Holders of the Securities shall have no preemptive or similar rights to subscribe for any additional securities.

13. Miscellaneous.

These terms constitute a part of the Declaration.

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The Sponsor will provide a copy of any one or more of the Declaration, the Preferred Securities Guarantee and the Indenture to a Holder without charge on written request to the Sponsor at its principal place of business.

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EXHIBIT A-1 FORM OF PREFERRED SECURITY CERTIFICATE

[IF THE PREFERRED SECURITY IS TO BE A GLOBAL CERTIFICATE INSERT --THIS

PREFERRED SECURITY IS A GLOBAL CERTIFICATE WITHIN THE MEANING OF THE DECLARATION HEREINAFTER REFERRED TO AND IS REGISTERED IN THE NAME OF THE DEPOSITORY TRUST COMPANY (THE "DEPOSITARY") OR A NOMINEE OF THE DEPOSITARY. THIS PREFERRED SECURITY IS EXCHANGEABLE FOR PREFERRED SECURITIES REGISTERED IN THE NAME OF A PERSON OTHER THAN THE DEPOSITARY OR ITS NOMINEE ONLY IN THE LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES DESCRIBED IN THE DECLARATION AND NO TRANSFER OF THIS PREFERRED SECURITY (OTHER THAN A TRANSFER OF THIS PREFERRED SECURITY AS A WHOLE BY THE DEPOSITARY TO A NOMINEE OF THE DEPOSITARY OR BY A NOMINEE OF THE DEPOSITARY TO THE DEPOSITARY OR ANOTHER NOMINEE OF THE DEPOSITARY) MAY BE REGISTERED EXCEPT IN LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES.

UNLESS THIS PREFERRED SECURITY IS PRESENTED BY AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEPOSITORY TRUST COMPANY (55 WATER STREET, NEW YORK, NEW YORK) TO THE TRUST OR ITS AGENT FOR REGISTRATION OF TRANSFER, EXCHANGE OR PAYMENT, AND ANY PREFERRED SECURITY ISSUED IS REGISTERED IN THE NAME OF CEDE & CO. OR SUCH OTHER NAME AS REQUESTED BY AN AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEPOSITORY TRUST COMPANY AND ANY PAYMENT HEREON IS MADE TO CEDE & CO., ANY TRANSFER, PLEDGE OR OTHER USE HEREOF FOR VALUE OR OTHERWISE BY A PERSON IS WRONGFUL SINCE THE REGISTERED OWNER HEREOF, CEDE & CO., HAS AN INTEREST HEREIN.]

Certificate Number __________
Number of Preferred Securities ___________

CUSIP No. _________

Certificate Evidencing Preferred Securities of

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II

[ ]% Trust Preferred Securities (Liquidation Amount [$ ] per Preferred Security)

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II, a statutory business trust created under the laws of the State of Delaware (the "Trust"), hereby certifies that Cede & Co. (the "Holder") is the registered owner of [________________________] preferred securities of the Trust representing preferred undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust designated the [ ]% Trust Preferred Securities (the "Preferred Securities"). The Preferred Securities are transferable on the books

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and records of the Trust, in person or by a duly authorized attorney, upon surrender of this certificate duly endorsed and in proper form for transfer. The designation, rights, privileges, restrictions, preferences and other terms and provisions of the Preferred Securities are set forth in, and this certificate and the Preferred Securities represented hereby are issued and shall in all respects be subject to, the provisions of the Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust of the Trust dated as of [__________, 200__] as the same may be amended from time to time (the "Declaration"), including the designation of the terms of the Preferred Securities as set forth in Annex I thereto. Capitalized terms used herein but not defined shall have the meaning given them in the Declaration. The Holder is entitled to the benefits of the Preferred Securities Guarantee to the extent provided therein. The Sponsor will provide a copy of the Declaration, the Preferred Securities Guarantee and the Indenture to a Holder without charge upon written request to the Sponsor at its principal place of business.

The Holder of this certificate, by accepting this certificate, is deemed to have (i) agreed to the terms of the Indenture and the Debentures, including that the Debentures are subordinate and junior in right of payment to all Senior Indebtedness (as defined in the Indenture) and (ii) agreed to the terms of the Preferred Securities Guarantee, including that the Preferred Securities Guarantee is (A) subordinate and junior in right of payment to all Senior Indebtedness (as defined in the Indenture) of The St. Paul Companies, (B) pari passu with the most senior preferred or preference stock now or hereafter issued by The St. Paul Companies and with any guarantee now or hereafter issued by The St. Paul Companies with respect to preferred or preference stock of The St. Paul Companies' affiliates and (C) senior to The St. Paul Companies' common stock.

Upon receipt of this certificate, the Holder is bound by the Declaration and is entitled to the benefits thereunder.

By acceptance, the Holder agrees to treat, for United States federal income tax purposes, the Debentures as indebtedness and the Preferred Securities as evidence of indirect beneficial ownership in the Debentures.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Trust has executed this certificate this [____] day of [________, 200__].

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II


By: Bruce A. Backberg Title: Regular Trustee

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INSTITUTIONAL TRUSTEE'S CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICATION

This is one of the Preferred Securities referred to in the within-mentioned Declaration.

By:

Authorized Officer

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[FORM OF REVERSE OF SECURITY]

Distributions payable on each Preferred Security will be fixed at a rate per annum of [ ]% (the "Coupon Rate") of the stated liquidation amount of [$ ] per Preferred Security, such rate being the rate of interest payable on the Debentures to be held by the Institutional Trustee. Distributions in arrears will bear interest thereon at the Coupon Rate compounded quarterly (to the extent permitted by applicable law). The term "Distributions" as used herein includes such cash distributions and any such interest payable unless otherwise stated. A Distribution is payable only to the extent that payments are made in respect of the Debentures held by the Institutional Trustee and to the extent the Institutional Trustee has funds available therefor. The amount of Distributions payable for any period will be computed for any full quarterly Distribution period on the basis of a 360-day year consisting of twelve 30-day months. Distributions payable for any period of less than a full quarterly period will be computed on the basis of a 30-day month and, for periods of less than one month, the actual number of elapsed days per 30-day month.

Distributions on the Preferred Securities will be cumulative, will accrue from the date of original issuance and will be payable quarterly in arrears, on the following dates, which dates correspond to the interest payment dates on the Debentures: [_________], [_________], [________] and [________] of each year, commencing on [_______, 200__], except as otherwise described below. The Debenture Issuer has the right under the Indenture to defer payments of interest by extending the interest payment period from time to time on the Debentures for a period not exceeding 20 quarterly periods (each an "Extension Period") and, as a consequence of such deferral, Distributions will also be deferred. Despite such deferral, quarterly Distributions will continue to accrue with interest thereon (to the extent permitted by applicable law) at the Coupon Rate compounded quarterly during any such Extension Period. Prior to the termination of any such Extension Period, the Debenture Issuer may further extend such Extension Period; provided that such Extension Period together with all such previous and further extensions thereof may not exceed 20 quarterly periods or extend beyond the maturity (whether at the stated maturity or by declaration of acceleration, call for redemption or otherwise) of the Debentures under the Indenture. Payments of accrued Distributions will be payable to Holders as they appear on the books and records of the Trust on the first record date after the end of the Extension Period. Upon the termination of any Extension Period and the payment of all amounts then due, the Debenture Issuer may commence a new Extension Period, subject to the above requirements.

The Preferred Securities shall be redeemable as provided in the Declaration.

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ASSIGNMENT

FOR VALUE RECEIVED, the undersigned assigns and transfers this Preferred Security Certificate to:



_______________ (Insert assignee's social security or tax identification number)



____________ (Insert address and zip code of assignee) and irrevocably appoints



______________________________________________________________ agent to transfer this Preferred Security Certificate on the books of the Trust. The agent may substitute another to act for him or her.

Date: ___________________________

Signature: ______________________
(Sign exactly as your name appears on the other side of this Preferred Security Certificate)


EXHIBIT A-2

FORM OF COMMON SECURITY CERTIFICATE

TRANSFER OF THIS CERTIFICATE IS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THE
DECLARATION REFERRED TO BELOW

Certificate Number ____________

Number of Common Securities ____________

Certificate Evidencing Common Securities of ____________

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II

[ ]% Trust Common Securities (Liquidation Amount [$ ] per Common Security)

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II, a statutory business trust created under the laws of the State of Delaware (the "Trust"), hereby certifies that The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation, (the "Holder") is the registered owner of [ ] common securities of the Trust representing undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust designated the [ ]% Trust Common Securities (the "Common Securities"). The Common Securities are transferable on the books and records of the Trust, in person or by a duly authorized attorney, upon surrender of this certificate duly endorsed and in proper form for transfer and satisfaction of the other conditions set forth in the Declaration (as defined below), including, without limitation, Section 9.1 thereof. The designation, rights, privileges, restrictions, preferences and other terms and provisions of the Common Securities represented hereby are issued and shall in all respects be subject to the provisions of the Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust of the Trust dated as of [___________, 200__], as the same may be amended from time to time (the "Declaration"), including the designation of the terms of the Common Securities as set forth in Annex I thereto. Capitalized terms used herein but not defined shall have the meaning given them in the Declaration. The Sponsor will provide a copy of the Declaration and the Indenture to a Holder without charge upon written request to the Sponsor at its principal place of business.

Upon receipt of this certificate, the Holder is bound by the Declaration and is entitled to the benefits thereunder.

The Holder of this certificate, by accepting this certificate, is deemed to have agreed to the terms of the Indenture and the Debentures, including that the Debentures are subordinate and junior in right of payment to all Senior Indebtedness (as defined in the Indenture) as and to the extent provided in the Indenture.

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By acceptance, the Holder agrees to treat, for United States federal income tax purposes, the Debentures as indebtedness and the Common Securities as evidence of indirect beneficial ownership in the Debentures.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Trust has executed this certificate this [____] day of [___________, 200__].

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II


By: Bruce A. Backberg Title: Regular Trustee

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ASSIGNMENT

FOR VALUE RECEIVED, the undersigned assigns and transfers this Common Security Certificate to:



_______________ (Insert assignee's social security or tax identification number)



_____________ (Insert address and zip code of assignee) and irrevocably appoints



__________________________________________________________________ agent to transfer this Common Security Certificate on the books of the Trust. The agent may substitute another to act for him or her.

Date: ___________________________

Signature: ______________________ (Sign exactly as your name appears on the other side of this Common Security Certificate)

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Exhibit 4.16


PREFERRED SECURITIES GUARANTEE AGREEMENT

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II

DATED AS OF ___________, 200__



TABLE OF CONTENTS

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                                    ARTICLE I
                         DEFINITIONS AND INTERPRETATION

SECTION 1.1         Definitions and Interpretation.......................................................1

                                   ARTICLE II
                               TRUST INDENTURE ACT

SECTION 2.1         Trust Indenture Act; Application.....................................................5
SECTION 2.2         Lists of Holders of Securities.......................................................5
SECTION 2.3         Reports by the Preferred Guarantee Trustee...........................................5
SECTION 2.4         Periodic Reports to Preferred Guarantee Trustee......................................6
SECTION 2.5         Evidence of Compliance with Conditions Precedent.....................................6
SECTION 2.6         Events of Default; Waiver............................................................6
SECTION 2.7         Event of Default; Notice.............................................................6
SECTION 2.8         Conflicting Interests................................................................7

                                   ARTICLE III
            POWERS, DUTIES AND RIGHTS OF PREFERRED GUARANTEE TRUSTEE

SECTION 3.1         Powers and Duties of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee.................................7
SECTION 3.2         Certain Rights of Preferred Guarantee Trustee........................................8
SECTION 3.3         Not Responsible for Recitals or Issuance of Guarantee...............................10

                                   ARTICLE IV
                           PREFERRED GUARANTEE TRUSTEE

SECTION 4.1         Preferred Guarantee Trustee; Eligibility............................................11
SECTION 4.2         Appointment, Removal and Resignation of Preferred
                    Guarantee Trustees..................................................................11

                                    ARTICLE V
                                    GUARANTEE

SECTION 5.1         Guarantee...........................................................................12
SECTION 5.2         Waiver of Notice and Demand.........................................................12
SECTION 5.3         Obligations Not Affected............................................................13
SECTION 5.4         Rights of Holders...................................................................13
SECTION 5.5         Guarantee of Payment................................................................14
SECTION 5.6         Subrogation.........................................................................14
SECTION 5.7         Independent Obligations.............................................................14

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                                   ARTICLE VI
                    LIMITATION OF TRANSACTIONS; SUBORDINATION

SECTION 6.1         Limitation of Transactions..........................................................15
SECTION 6.2         Ranking.............................................................................15

                                   ARTICLE VII
                                   TERMINATION

SECTION 7.1         Termination.........................................................................16

                                  ARTICLE VIII
                                 INDEMNIFICATION

SECTION 8.1         Exculpation.........................................................................16
SECTION 8.2         Indemnification.....................................................................16

                                   ARTICLE IX
                                  MISCELLANEOUS

SECTION 9.1         Successors and Assigns..............................................................17
SECTION 9.2         Amendments..........................................................................17
SECTION 9.3         Notices.............................................................................18
SECTION 9.4         Benefit.............................................................................18
SECTION 9.5         Governing Law.......................................................................18

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CROSS-REFERENCE TABLE*

    Section of                                                                                Section of
Trust Indenture Act                                                                          Guarantee of
 1939, as amended                                                                              Agreement
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      310(a)......................................................................................4.1(a)
      310(b..................................................................................4.1(c), 2.8
      310(c)................................................................................Inapplicable
      311(a)......................................................................................2.2(b)
      311(b)......................................................................................2.2(b)
      311(c)................................................................................Inapplicable
      312(a)......................................................................................2.2(a)
      312(b)......................................................................................2.2(b)
      313............................................................................................2.3
      314(a).........................................................................................2.4
      314(b)................................................................................Inapplicable
      314(c).........................................................................................2.5
      314(d)................................................................................Inapplicable
      314(e)...............................................................................1.1, 2.5, 3.2
      314(f)....................................................................................2.1, 3.2
      315(a)......................................................................................3.1(d)
      315(b).........................................................................................2.7
      315(c).........................................................................................3.1
      315(d)......................................................................................3.1(d)
      316(a)...............................................................................1.1, 2.6, 5.4
      316(b).........................................................................................5.3
      316(c).........................................................................................8.2
      317(a)................................................................................Inapplicable
      317(b)................................................................................Inapplicable
      318(a)......................................................................................2.1(b)
      318(b).........................................................................................2.1
      318(c)......................................................................................2.1(a)


* This Cross-Reference Table does not constitute part of the Guarantee Agreement and shall not affect the interpretation of any of its terms or provisions.


PREFERRED SECURITIES GUARANTEE AGREEMENT

This GUARANTEE AGREEMENT (this "Preferred Securities Guarantee"), dated as of [__________, 200__], is executed and delivered by The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Guarantor"), and JPMorgan Chase Bank as trustee (the "Preferred Guarantee Trustee"), for the benefit of the Holders (as defined herein) from time to time of the Preferred Securities (as defined herein) of St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware statutory business trust (the "Issuer").

WHEREAS, pursuant to an Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust (the "Declaration"), dated as of [__________, 200__], among the trustees of the Issuer named therein, the Guarantor, as sponsor, and the holders from time to time of undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Issuer, the Issuer is issuing on the date hereof $[__________] aggregate liquidation preference of its [ ]% Preferred Securities (stated liquidation amount [$ ] per preferred security) (the "Preferred Securities") representing preferred undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Issuer and having the terms set forth in the Declaration;

WHEREAS, as incentive for the Holders to purchase the Preferred Securities, the Guarantor desires irrevocably and unconditionally to agree, to the extent set forth in this Preferred Securities Guarantee, to pay to the Holders the Guarantee Payments (as defined herein) and to make certain other payments on the terms and conditions set forth herein.

NOW, THEREFORE, in consideration of the purchase by each Holder of Preferred Securities, which purchase the Guarantor hereby agrees shall benefit the Guarantor, the Guarantor executes and delivers this Preferred Securities Guarantee for the benefit of the Holders.

ARTICLE I
DEFINITIONS AND INTERPRETATION

SECTION 1.1 Definitions and Interpretation

In this Preferred Securities Guarantee, unless the context otherwise requires:

(a) Capitalized terms used in this Preferred Securities Guarantee but not defined in the preamble above have the respective meanings assigned to them in this Section 1.1;

(b) a term defined anywhere in this Preferred Securities Guarantee has the same meaning throughout;

(c) all references to "the Preferred Securities Guarantee" or "this Preferred Securities Guarantee" are to this Preferred Securities Guarantee as modified, supplemented or amended from time to time;


(d) all references in this Preferred Securities Guarantee to Articles and Sections are to Articles and Sections of this Preferred Securities Guarantee, unless otherwise specified;

(e) a term defined in the Trust Indenture Act has the same meaning when used in this Preferred Securities Guarantee, unless otherwise defined in this Preferred Securities Guarantee or unless the context otherwise requires; and

(f) a reference to the singular includes the plural and vice versa.

"Authorized Officer" of a Person means any Person that is authorized to bind such Person.

"Affiliate" has the same meaning as given to that term in Rule 405 of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, or any successor rule thereunder.

"Business Day" means any day other than a day on which banking institutions in the City of New York, New York are permitted or required by any applicable law to close.

"Corporate Trust Office" means the office of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee at which the corporate trust business of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall, at any particular time, be principally administered, which office at the date of execution of this Agreement is located at 450 West 33rd Street, 15th Floor, New York, NY 10001, Attention: Institutional Trust Services.

"Covered Person" means any Holder or beneficial owner of Preferred Securities.

"Debentures" means the series of subordinated debt securities of the Guarantor designated the [ ]% Subordinated Debentures, due [ ] held by the Institutional Trustee (as defined in the Declaration) of the Issuer.

"Event of Default" means a default by the Guarantor on any of its payment or other obligations under this Preferred Securities Guarantee; provided, however, that, except with respect to a default in payment of any Guarantee Payments, the Guarantor shall have received notice of default and shall not have cured such default within 90 days after receipt of such notice.

"Guarantee Payments" means the following payments or distributions, without duplication, with respect to the Preferred Securities, to the extent not paid or made by the Issuer: (i) any accrued and unpaid Distributions (as defined in Annex I to the Declaration) that are required to be paid on the Preferred Securities, to the extent the Issuer has funds available therefor, (ii) the redemption price of [$ ] per Preferred Security, plus all accrued and unpaid Distributions to the date of redemption (the "Redemption Price"), to the extent the Issuer has funds available therefor, with respect to any Preferred Securities called for redemption by the Issuer and (iii) upon a voluntary or

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involuntary dissolution, winding-up or termination of the Issuer (other than in connection with the distribution of Debentures to the Holders in exchange for Preferred Securities as provided in the Declaration or the redemption of all of the Preferred Securities upon the maturity or redemption of all of the Debentures as provided in the Declaration) the lesser of (a) the aggregate of the liquidation amount of [$ ] per Preferred Security and all accrued and unpaid Distributions on the Preferred Securities to the date of payment, or (b) the amount of assets of the Issuer remaining for distribution to Holders in liquidation of the Issuer (in either case, the "Liquidation Distribution").

"Holder" shall mean any holder, as registered on the books and records of the Issuer, of any Preferred Securities; provided, however, that, in determining whether the holders of the requisite percentage of Preferred Securities have given any request, notice, consent or waiver hereunder, "Holder" shall not include the Guarantor or any Affiliate of the Guarantor.

"Indemnified Person" means the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, any Affiliate of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, or any officers, directors, shareholders, members, partners, employees, representatives, nominees, custodians or agents of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee.

"Indenture" means the Subordinated Debt Indenture dated as of
[_________, 200__], among the Guarantor and JPMorgan Chase Bank, as trustee, and any indenture supplemental thereto pursuant to which the Debentures are to be issued to the Institutional Trustee of the Issuer.

"Issuer" has the meaning provided in the preamble.

"Majority in liquidation amount of the Securities" means, except as provided by the Trust Indenture Act, a vote by Holder(s), voting separately as a class, holding Preferred Securities representing more than 50% of the aggregate liquidation amount (including the stated amount that would be paid on redemption, liquidation or otherwise, plus accrued and unpaid Distributions to the date upon which the voting percentages are determined) of all Preferred Securities.

"Officers' Certificate" means, with respect to any Person, a certificate signed by two Authorized Officers of such Person. Any Officers' Certificate delivered with respect to compliance with a condition or covenant provided for in this Preferred Securities Guarantee shall include:

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(i) a statement that each officer signing the Officers' Certificate has read the covenant or condition and the definitions relating thereto;

(ii) a brief statement of the nature and scope of the examination or investigation undertaken by each officer in rendering the Officers' Certificate;

(iii) a statement that each such officer has made such examination or investigation as, in such officer's opinion, is necessary to enable such officer to express an informed opinion as to whether or not such covenant or condition has been complied with; and

(iv) a statement as to whether, in the opinion of each such officer, such condition or covenant has been complied with.

"Person" means a legal person, including any individual, corporation, estate, partnership, joint venture, association, joint stock company, limited liability company, trust, unincorporated association, or government or any agency or political subdivision thereof, or any other entity of whatever nature.

"Preferred Guarantee Trustee" means JPMorgan Chase Bank, until a Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee has been appointed and has accepted such appointment pursuant to the terms of this Preferred Securities Guarantee and thereafter means each such Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee.

"Responsible Officer" means, with respect to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, any officer of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee with direct responsibility for the administration of this Preferred Securities Guarantee and also means, with respect to a particular corporate trust matter, any other officer to whom such matter is referred because of that officer's knowledge of and familiarity with the particular subject.

"Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee" means a successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee possessing the qualifications to act as Preferred Guarantee Trustee under Section 4.1.

"Trust Indenture Act" means the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, as amended.

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ARTICLE II
TRUST INDENTURE ACT

SECTION 2.1 Trust Indenture Act; Application

(a) This Preferred Securities Guarantee is subject to the provisions of the Trust Indenture Act that are required to be part of this Preferred Securities Guarantee and shall, to the extent applicable, be governed by such provisions; and

(b) if and to the extent that any provision of this Preferred Securities Guarantee limits, qualifies or conflicts with the duties imposed by Sections 310 to 317, inclusive, of the Trust Indenture Act, such imposed duties shall control.

SECTION 2.2 Lists of Holders of Securities

(a) The Guarantor shall, or shall cause the Institutional Trustee to, provide the Preferred Guarantee Trustee with a list of the names and addresses of the Holders (i) on a date not later than the record date for any payment or other distribution to the Holders hereunder or under the Declaration, and (ii) at such other times as the Preferred Guarantee Trustee may request in writing, within 30 days after the receipt by the Guarantor of any such request, as of a date no more than 14 days before such list of Holders is given to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee; provided that the Guarantor shall not be obligated to provide such a list of holders at any time that such list would not differ from the last such list provided by the Guarantor to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee under this Section 2.2(a).

The Preferred Guarantee Trustee may destroy any List of Holders previously given to it on receipt of a new List of Holders. Unless supplemented, amended or restated pursuant to this Section 2.2(a), the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall be entitled to rely exclusively on the last list of Holders provided to it by the Guarantor or any Institutional Trustee.

(b) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall comply with its obligations under Sections 311(a), 311(b) and 312(b) of the Trust Indenture Act.

SECTION 2.3 Reports by the Preferred Guarantee Trustee.

Within 60 days after May 15 of each year, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall provide to the Holders such reports as are required by Section 313 of the Trust Indenture Act, if any, in the form and in the manner provided by Section 313 of the Trust Indenture Act. The Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall also comply with the requirements of Section 313(d) of the Trust Indenture Act.

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SECTION 2.4 Periodic Reports to Preferred Guarantee Trustee.

The Guarantor shall provide to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Holders such documents, reports and information as required by Section 314 of the Trust Indenture Act (if any) and the compliance certificate required by Section 314 of the Trust Indenture Act in the form, in the manner and at the times required by Section 314 of the Trust Indenture Act.

SECTION 2.5 Evidence of Compliance with Conditions Precedent.

The Guarantor shall provide to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee such evidence of compliance with any conditions precedent, if any, provided for in this Preferred Securities Guarantee that relate to any of the matters set forth in Section 314(c) of the Trust Indenture Act. Any certificate or opinion required to be given by an officer pursuant to Section 314(c)(1) may be given in the form of an Officers' Certificate.

SECTION 2.6 Events of Default; Waiver.

The Holders of a Majority in liquidation amount of Preferred Securities may, by vote, on behalf of the Holders of all of the Preferred Securities, waive any past Event of Default and its consequences. Upon such waiver, any such Event of Default shall cease to exist, and any Event of Default arising therefrom shall be deemed to have been cured, for every purpose of this Preferred Securities Guarantee, but no such waiver shall extend to any subsequent or other default or Event of Default or impair any right consequent thereon.

SECTION 2.7 Event of Default; Notice.

(a) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall, within 90 days after the occurrence of an Event of Default, transmit by mail, first class postage prepaid, to the Holders, notices of all Events of Default actually known to a Responsible Officer of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, unless such Events of Default have been cured before the giving of such notice; provided, that, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall be protected in withholding such notice if and so long as a Responsible Officer of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee in good faith determines that the withholding of such notice is in the interests of the Holders.

(b) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall not be deemed to have knowledge of any Event of Default unless the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall have received written notice, or of which a Responsible Officer of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee charged with the administration of the Declaration shall have obtained actual knowledge.

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SECTION 2.8 Conflicting Interests.

The Declaration shall be deemed to be specifically described in this Preferred Securities Guarantee for the purposes of clause (i) of the first proviso contained in Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act.

ARTICLE III
POWERS, DUTIES AND RIGHTS OF PREFERRED GUARANTEE TRUSTEE

SECTION 3.1 Powers and Duties of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee.

(a) This Preferred Securities Guarantee shall be held by the Preferred Guarantee Trustee for the benefit of the Holders, and the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall not transfer its right, title and interest in this Preferred Securities Guarantee to any Person except a Holder exercising his or her rights pursuant to Section 5.4(b) or to a Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee on acceptance by such Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee of its appointment to act as Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee. The right, title and interest of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall automatically vest in any Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee, and such vesting and cessation of title shall be effective whether or not conveyancing documents have been executed and delivered pursuant to the appointment of such Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee.

(b) If an Event of Default actually known to a Responsible Officer of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee has occurred and is continuing, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall enforce this Preferred Securities Guarantee for the benefit of the Holders of the Preferred Securities.

(c) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee, before the occurrence of any Event of Default and after the curing of all Events of Default that may have occurred, shall undertake to perform only such duties as are specifically set forth in this Preferred Securities Guarantee, and no implied covenants shall be read into this Preferred Securities Guarantee against the Preferred Guarantee Trustee. In case an Event of Default has occurred (that has not been cured or waived pursuant to Section 2.6) and is actually known to a Responsible Officer of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall exercise such of the rights and powers vested in it by this Preferred Securities Guarantee, and use the same degree of care and skill in its exercise thereof, as a prudent person would exercise or use under the circumstances in the conduct of his or her own affairs.

(d) No provision of this Preferred Securities Guarantee shall be construed to relieve the Preferred Guarantee Trustee from liability for its own negligent action, its own negligent failure to act, or its own willful misconduct, except that:

(i) prior to the occurrence of any Event of Default and after the curing or waiving of all such Events of Default that may have occurred:

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(A) the duties and obligations of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall be determined solely by the express provisions of this Preferred Securities Guarantee, and the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall not be liable except for the performance of such duties and obligations as are specifically set forth in this Preferred Securities Guarantee, and no implied covenants or obligations shall be read into this Preferred Securities Guarantee against the Preferred Guarantee Trustee; and

(B) in the absence of bad faith on the part of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee may conclusively rely, as to the truth of the statements and the correctness of the opinions expressed therein, upon any certificates or opinions furnished to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee and substantially conforming to the requirements of this Preferred Securities Guarantee; but in the case of any such certificates or opinions that by any provision hereof are specifically required to be furnished to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall be under a duty to examine the same to determine whether or not they substantially conform to the requirements of this Preferred Securities Guarantee;

(ii) the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall not be liable for any error of judgment made in good faith by a Responsible Officer of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, unless it shall be proved that the Preferred Guarantee Trustee was negligent in ascertaining the pertinent facts upon which such judgment was made;

(iii) the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall not be liable with respect to any action taken or omitted to be taken by it in good faith in accordance with the direction of the Holders of not less than a Majority in liquidation amount of the Preferred Securities relating to the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, or exercising any trust or power conferred upon the Preferred Guarantee Trustee under this Preferred Securities Guarantee; and

(iv) no provision of this Preferred Securities Guarantee shall require the Preferred Guarantee Trustee to expend or risk its own funds or otherwise incur personal financial liability in the performance of any of its duties or in the exercise of any of its rights or powers, if the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall have reasonable grounds for believing that the repayment of such funds or liability is not reasonably assured to it under the terms of this Preferred Securities Guarantee or indemnity, reasonably satisfactory to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, against such risk or liability is not reasonably assured to it.

SECTION 3.2 Certain Rights of Preferred Guarantee Trustee.

(a) Subject to the provisions of Section 3.1:

(i) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee may conclusively rely, and shall be fully protected in acting or refraining from acting upon, any resolution, certificate, statement, instrument, opinion, report, notice, request, direction, consent, order, bond, debenture, note, other evidence of indebtedness or other paper or document believed by it to be genuine and to have been signed, sent or presented by the proper party or parties.

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(ii) Any direction or act of the Guarantor contemplated by this Preferred Securities Guarantee shall be sufficiently evidenced by an Officers' Certificate.

(iii) Whenever, in the administration of this Preferred Securities Guarantee, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall deem it desirable that a matter be proved or established before taking, suffering or omitting any action hereunder, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee (unless other evidence is herein specifically prescribed) may, in the absence of bad faith on its part, request and conclusively rely upon an Officers' Certificate which, upon receipt of such request, shall be promptly delivered by the Guarantor.

(iv) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall have no duty to see to any recording, filing or registration of any instrument (or any rerecording, refilling or re-registration thereof).

(v) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee may consult with counsel, and the written advice or opinion of such counsel with respect to legal matters shall be full and complete authorization and protection in respect of any action taken, suffered or omitted by it hereunder in good faith and in accordance with such advice or opinion. Such counsel may be counsel to the Guarantor or any of its Affiliates and may include any of its employees. The Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall have the right at any time to seek instructions concerning the administration of this Preferred Securities Guarantee from any court of competent jurisdiction.

(vi) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall be under no obligation to exercise any of the rights or powers vested in it by this Preferred Securities Guarantee at the request or direction of any Holder, unless such Holder shall have provided to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee such security and indemnity, reasonably satisfactory to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, against the costs, expenses (including attorneys' fees and expenses and the expenses of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee's agents, nominees or custodians) and liabilities that might be incurred by it in complying with such request or direction, including such reasonable advances as may be requested by the Preferred Guarantee Trustee; provided that, nothing contained in this Section 3.2(a)(vi) shall be taken to relieve the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, upon the occurrence of an Event of Default, of its obligation to exercise the rights and powers vested in it by this Preferred Securities Guarantee.

(vii) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall not be bound to make any investigation into the facts or matters stated in any resolution, certificate, statement, instrument, opinion, report, notice, request, direction, consent, order, bond, debenture, note, other evidence of indebtedness or other paper or document, but the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, in its discretion, may make such further inquiry or investigation into such facts or matters as it may see fit.

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(viii) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee may execute any of the trusts or powers hereunder or perform any duties hereunder either directly or by or through agents, nominees, custodians or attorneys, and the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall not be responsible for any misconduct or negligence on the part of any agent or attorney appointed with due care by it hereunder.

(ix) Any action taken by the Preferred Guarantee Trustee or its agents hereunder shall bind the Holders of the Preferred Securities, and the signature of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee or its agents alone shall be sufficient and effective to perform any such action. No third party shall be required to inquire as to the authority of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee to so act or as to its compliance with any of the terms and provisions of this Preferred Securities Guarantee, both of which shall be conclusively evidenced by the Preferred Guarantee Trustee's or its agent's taking such action.

(x) Whenever in the administration of this Preferred Securities Guarantee the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall deem it desirable to receive instructions with respect to enforcing any remedy or right or taking any other action hereunder, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee (i) may request instructions from the Holders of a Majority in liquidation amount of the Preferred Securities, (ii) may refrain from enforcing such remedy or right or taking such other action until such instructions are received, and
(iii) shall be protected in conclusively relying on or acting in accordance with such instructions.

(b) No provision of this Preferred Securities Guarantee shall be deemed to impose any duty or obligation on the Preferred Guarantee Trustee to perform any act or acts or exercise any right, power, duty or obligation conferred or imposed on it in any jurisdiction in which it shall be illegal, or in which the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall be unqualified or incompetent in accordance with applicable law, to perform any such act or acts or to exercise any such right, power, duty or obligation. No permissive power or authority available to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall be construed to be a duty.

(c) The Trustee shall not be charged with knowledge of any Event of Default with respect to the Securities unless (1) a Responsible Officer of the Trustee shall have actual knowledge of such Event of Default or (2) written notice of such Event of Default shall have been given to the Trustee by the Company or by any Holder of Securities.

SECTION 3.3 Not Responsible for Recitals or Issuance of Guarantee.

The recitals contained in this Guarantee shall be taken as the statements of the Guarantor, and the Preferred Guarantee Trustee does not assume any responsibility for their correctness. The Preferred Guarantee Trustee makes no representation as to the validity or sufficiency of this Preferred Securities Guarantee.

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ARTICLE IV
PREFERRED GUARANTEE TRUSTEE

SECTION 4.1 Preferred Guarantee Trustee; Eligibility.

(a) There shall at all times be a Preferred Guarantee Trustee which shall:

(i) not be an Affiliate of the Guarantor; and

(ii) be a corporation organized and doing business under the laws of the United States of America or any State or Territory thereof or of the District of Columbia, or a corporation or Person permitted by the Securities and Exchange Commission to act as an institutional trustee under the Trust Indenture Act, authorized under such laws to exercise corporate trust powers, having a combined capital and surplus of at least 50 million U.S. dollars ($50,000,000), and subject to supervision or examination by Federal, State, Territorial or District of Columbia authority. If such corporation publishes reports of condition at least annually, pursuant to law or to the requirements of the supervising or examining authority referred to above, then, for the purposes of this Section 4. 1(a)(ii), the combined capital and surplus of such corporation shall be deemed to be its combined capital and surplus as set forth in its most recent report of condition so published.

(b) If at any time the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall cease to be eligible to so act under Section 4.1(a), the Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall immediately resign in the manner and with the effect set out in Section 4.2(c).

(c) If the Preferred Guarantee Trustee has or shall acquire any "conflicting interest" within the meaning of Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee and Guarantor shall in all respects comply with the provisions of Section 310(b) of the Trust Indenture Act.

SECTION 4.2 Appointment, Removal and Resignation of Preferred Guarantee Trustees.

(a) Subject to Section 4.2(b), the Preferred Guarantee Trustee may be appointed or removed without cause at any time by the Guarantor.

(b) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall not be removed in accordance with
Section 4.2(a) until a Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee has been appointed and has accepted such appointment by written instrument executed by such Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee and delivered to the Guarantor.

(c) The Preferred Guarantee Trustee appointed to office shall hold office until a Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall have been appointed or until its removal or resignation. The Preferred Guarantee Trustee may resign from office by an instrument in writing executed by the Preferred Guarantee Trustee and delivered to the Guarantor, which resignation shall not take effect until a

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Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee has been appointed and has accepted such appointment by instrument in writing executed by such Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee and delivered to the Guarantor and the resigning Preferred Guarantee Trustee, whereupon the resigning Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall be released and discharged of the trusts and other duties imposed on such trustee in connection herewith.

(d) If no Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall have been appointed and accepted appointment as provided in this Section 4.2 within 60 days after delivery to the Guarantor of an instrument of resignation, the resigning Preferred Guarantee Trustee may petition any court of competent jurisdiction for appointment of a Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee. Such court may thereupon, after prescribing such notice, if any, as it may deem proper, appoint a Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee.

(e) No Preferred Guarantee Trustee shall be liable for the acts or omissions to act of any Successor Preferred Guarantee Trustee.

(f) Upon termination of this Preferred Securities Guarantee or removal or resignation of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee pursuant to this Section 4.2, the Guarantor shall pay to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee all amounts accrued and owing to such Preferred Guarantee Trustee to the date of such termination, removal or resignation.

ARTICLE V
GUARANTEE

SECTION 5.1 Guarantee.

The Guarantor irrevocably and unconditionally agrees to pay in full to the Holders the Guarantee Payments (without duplication of amounts theretofore paid by or on behalf of the Issuer pursuant to the Declaration or by the Guarantor pursuant to the Indenture), as and when due, regardless of any defense, right of set-off or counterclaim that the Issuer may have or assert. The Guarantor's obligation to make a Guarantee Payment may be satisfied by direct payment of the required amounts by the Guarantor to the Holders or by causing the Issuer to pay such amounts to the Holders.

SECTION 5.2 Waiver of Notice and Demand.

The Guarantor hereby waives notice of acceptance of this Preferred Securities Guarantee and of any liability to which it applies or may apply, presentment, demand for payment, any right to require a proceeding first against the Issuer or any other Person before proceeding against the Guarantor, protest, notice of nonpayment, notice of dishonor, notice of redemption and all other notices and demands.

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SECTION 5.3 Obligations Not Affected.

The obligations, covenants, agreements and duties of the Guarantor under this Preferred Securities Guarantee shall in no way be affected or impaired by reason of the happening from time to time of any of the following:

(a) the release or waiver, by operation of law or otherwise, of the performance or observance by the Issuer of any express or implied agreement, covenant, term or condition relating to the Preferred Securities to be performed or observed by the Issuer;

(b) the extension of time for the payment by the Issuer of all or any portion of the Distributions, Redemption Price, Liquidation Distribution or any other sums payable under the terms of the Preferred Securities or the extension of time for the performance of any other obligation under, arising out of, or in connection with, the Preferred Securities (other than an extension of time for payment of Distributions, Redemption Price, Liquidation Distribution or other sum payable that results from the extension of any interest payment period on the Debentures as permitted by the Indenture);

(c) any failure, omission, delay or lack of diligence on the part of the Holders to enforce, assert or exercise any right, privilege, power or remedy conferred on the Holders pursuant to the terms of the Preferred Securities, or any action on the part of the Issuer granting indulgence or extension of any kind;

(d) the voluntary or involuntary liquidation, dissolution, sale of any collateral, receivership, insolvency, bankruptcy, assignment for the benefit of creditors, reorganization, arrangement, composition or readjustment of debt of, or other similar proceedings affecting, the Issuer or any of the assets of the Issuer;

(e) any invalidity of, or defect or deficiency in, the Preferred Securities;

(f) the settlement or compromise of any obligation guaranteed hereby or hereby incurred; or

(g) to the extent permitted by law, any other circumstance whatsoever that might otherwise constitute a legal or equitable discharge or defense of a guarantor, it being the intent of this Section 5.3 that the obligations of the Guarantor hereunder shall be absolute and unconditional under any and all circumstances.

There shall be no obligation of the Holders to give notice to, or obtain consent of, the Guarantor with respect to the happening of any of the foregoing.

SECTION 5.4 Rights of Holders.

(a) The Holders of a Majority in liquidation amount of the Preferred Securities have the right to direct the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee in respect of this Preferred Securities Guarantee or exercising any trust or power conferred upon the Preferred Guarantee Trustee under this Preferred Securities Guarantee.

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(b) If the Preferred Guarantee Trustee fails to enforce its rights under this Preferred Securities Guarantee, any Holder may directly institute a legal proceeding against the Guarantor to enforce the Preferred Guarantee Trustee's rights under this Preferred Securities Guarantee, without first instituting a legal proceeding against the Issuer, the Preferred Guarantee Trustee or any other Person or entity.

(c) A Holder may also directly institute a legal proceeding against the Guarantor to enforce such Holder's right to receive payment under this Preferred Securities Guarantee without first (i) directing the Preferred Guarantee Trustee to enforce the terms of this Preferred Securities Guarantee or (ii) instituting a legal proceeding directly against the Issuer or any other Person or entity.

SECTION 5.5 Guarantee of Payment.

This Preferred Securities Guarantee creates a guarantee of payment and not of collection (i.e., a Covered Person may institute a legal proceeding directly against the Guarantor to enforce its rights under this Preferred Securities Guarantee without first instituting a legal proceeding against any other person or entity). This Preferred Securities Guarantee will not be discharged except by payment of the Guarantee Payments in full to the extent not previously paid or upon Distribution to the Holders of the corresponding series of Debentures as provided in the Declaration.

SECTION 5.6 Subrogation.

The Guarantor shall be subrogated to all (if any) rights of the Holders against the Issuer in respect of any amounts paid to such Holders by the Guarantor under this Preferred Securities Guarantee; provided, however, that the Guarantor shall not (except to the extent required by mandatory provisions of law) be entitled to enforce or exercise any right that it may acquire by way of subrogation or any indemnity, reimbursement or other agreement, in all cases as a result of payment under this Preferred Securities Guarantee, if, at the time of any such payment, any amounts are due and unpaid under this Preferred Securities Guarantee. If any amount shall be paid to the Guarantor in violation of the preceding sentence, the Guarantor agrees to hold such amount in trust for the Holders and to pay over such amount to the Holders.

SECTION 5.7 Independent Obligations.

The Guarantor acknowledges that its obligations hereunder are independent of the obligations of the Issuer with respect to the Preferred Securities, and that the Guarantor shall be liable as principal and as debtor hereunder to make Guarantee Payments pursuant to the terms of this Preferred Securities Guarantee notwithstanding the occurrence of any event referred to in subsections (a) through (g), inclusive, of Section 5.3 hereof

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ARTICLE VI
LIMITATION OF TRANSACTIONS; SUBORDINATION

SECTION 6.1 Limitation of Transactions.

So long as any Preferred Securities remain outstanding, if there shall have occurred any event that would constitute an Event of Default hereunder or an Event of Default under the Declaration, then (a) the Guarantor shall not declare or pay any dividend on, make any distributions with respect to, or redeem, purchase, acquire or make a liquidation payment with respect to, any of its capital stock or make any guarantee payment with respect thereto (other than
(i) repurchases, redemptions or other acquisitions of shares of capital stock of the Guarantor in connection with any employment contract, benefit plan or other similar arrangement with or for the benefit of employees, officers, directors or consultants, (ii) as a result of a reclassification of the Guarantor's capital stock, or the exchange or conversion of any class or series of the Guarantor's capital stock for any other class or series of the Guarantor's capital stock,
(iii) the purchase of fractional interests in shares of the Guarantor's capital stock pursuant to the conversion or exchange provisions of such capital stock or the security being converted or exchanged or (iv) distribution of rights under any shareholders' rights plan adopted by the Company) and (b) the Guarantor shall not make any payment of interest on, or principal of (or premium, if any, on), or repay, repurchase or redeem, any debt securities issued by the Guarantor which rank pari passu with or junior to the Debentures and the Guarantor shall not make any guarantee payments with respect thereto (other than pursuant to this Preferred Security Guarantee); provided, however, the Guarantor may declare and pay a stock dividend where the dividend stock is the same stock as that on which the dividend is being paid.

SECTION 6.2 Ranking.

This Preferred Securities Guarantee will constitute an unsecured obligation of the Guarantor and will rank (i) subordinate and junior in right of payment to all Senior Indebtedness (as defined in the Indenture) of the Guarantor, (ii) pari passu with (A) the most senior preferred or preference stock now or hereafter issued by the Guarantor, (B) any guarantee now or hereafter entered into by the Guarantor in respect of any preferred or preference stock or preferred trust security of any Affiliate of the Guarantor and (C) those debt securities previously issued and from time to time issued and outstanding as described in clause (D) of the proviso to the definition of Senior Indebtedness set forth in the Indenture and (iii) senior to the Guarantor's common stock.

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ARTICLE VII
TERMINATION

SECTION 7.1 Termination.

This Preferred Securities Guarantee shall terminate upon (i) full payment of the Redemption Price of all Preferred Securities, (ii) the distribution of the Debentures to the Holders of all of the Preferred Securities or (iii) full payment of the amounts payable in accordance with the Declaration upon liquidation of the Issuer. Notwithstanding the foregoing, this Preferred Securities Guarantee will continue to be effective or will be reinstated, as the case may be, if at any time any Holder must restore payment of any sums paid under the Preferred Securities or under this Preferred Securities Guarantee.

ARTICLE VIII
INDEMNIFICATION

SECTION 8.1 Exculpation.

(a) No Indemnified Person shall be liable, responsible or accountable in damages or otherwise to the Guarantor or any Covered Person for any loss, damage or claim incurred by reason of any act or omission performed or omitted by such Indemnified Person in good faith in accordance with this Preferred Securities Guarantee and in a manner that such Indemnified Person reasonably believed to be within the scope of the authority conferred on such Indemnified Person by this Preferred Securities Guarantee or by law, except that an Indemnified Person shall be liable for any such loss, damage or claim incurred by reason of such Indemnified Person's negligence or willful misconduct with respect to such acts or omissions.

(b) An Indemnified Person shall be fully protected in relying in good faith upon the records of the Guarantor and upon such information, opinions, reports or statements presented to the Guarantor by any Person as to matters the Indemnified Person reasonably believes are within such other Person's professional or expert competence and who has been selected with reasonable care by or on behalf of the Guarantor, including information, opinions, reports or statements as to the value and amount of the assets, liabilities, profits, losses, or any other facts pertinent to the existence and amount of assets from which Distributions to Holders might properly be paid.

SECTION 8.2 Indemnification.

(a) To the fullest extent permitted by applicable law, the Guarantor shall indemnify and hold harmless each Indemnified Person from and against any loss, damage or claim incurred by such Indemnified Person by reason of any act or omission performed or omitted by such Indemnified Person in good faith in accordance with this Guarantee Agreement and in a manner such Indemnified Person reasonably believed to be within the scope of authority conferred on such Indemnified Person by this Guarantee Agreement, except that no Indemnified Person shall be entitled to be indemnified in respect of any loss, damage or claim incurred by such Indemnified Person by reason of such Indemnified Person's negligence or willful misconduct with respect to such acts or omissions.

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(b) To the fullest extent permitted by applicable law, reasonable expenses (including legal fees) incurred by an Indemnified Person in defending any claim, demand, action, suit or proceeding shall, from time to time, be advanced by the Guarantor prior to the final disposition of such claim, demand, action, suit or proceeding upon receipt by the Guarantor of an undertaking by or on behalf of the Indemnified Person to repay such amount if it shall be determined that the Indemnified Person is not entitled to be indemnified as authorized in Section 8.2(a).

(c) The obligation to indemnify as set forth in this Section 8.2 shall survive the termination of this Preferred Securities Guarantee.

(d) The Guarantor agrees to pay to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee compensation for its services as shall be mutually agreed upon by the Guarantor and the Preferred Guarantee Trustee. The Guarantor shall reimburse the Preferred Guarantee Trustee upon request for all reasonable out-of-pocket expenses incurred by it, including the reasonable compensation and expenses of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee's agents and counsel, except any expense as may be attributable to the negligence of the Preferred Guarantee Trustee.

ARTICLE IX
MISCELLANEOUS

SECTION 9.1 Successors and Assigns.

All guarantees and agreements contained in this Preferred Securities Guarantee shall bind the successors, assigns, receivers, trustees and representatives of the Guarantor and shall inure to the benefit of the Holders of the Preferred Securities then outstanding.

SECTION 9.2 Amendments.

Except with respect to any changes that do not adversely affect the rights of Holders (in which case no consent of Holders will be required), this Preferred Securities Guarantee may be amended only with the prior approval of the Holders of not less than a Majority in aggregate liquidation amount (including the stated amount that would be paid on redemption, liquidation or otherwise, plus accrued and unpaid Distributions to the date upon which the voting percentages are determined) of all the outstanding Preferred Securities. The provisions of Section 12.2 of the Declaration with respect to meetings of Holders apply to the giving of such approval. This Preferred Securities Guarantee may not be amended, and no amendment hereof that affects the Preferred Guarantee Trustee's rights, duties or immunities hereunder or otherwise shall be effective, unless such amendment is executed by the Preferred Guarantee Trustee (which shall have no obligation to execute any such amendment, but may do so in its sole discretion).

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SECTION 9.3 Notices.

All notices provided for in this Preferred Securities Guarantee shall be in writing, duly signed by the party giving such notice, and shall be delivered, telecopied or mailed by registered or certified mail, as follows:

(a) If given to the Preferred Guarantee Trustee, at the Preferred Guarantee Trustee's mailing address set forth below (or such other address as the Preferred Guarantee Trustee may give notice of to the Holders): JPMorgan Chase Bank, 450 West 33rd Street, 15th Floor, New York, NY 10001, Attention:
Institutional Trust Services.

(b) If given to the Guarantor, at the Guarantor's mailing address set forth below (or such other address as the Guarantor may give notice of to the Holders) St. Paul Companies, Inc., 385 Washington Street, St. Paul, Minnesota 55102, Attention: Bruce A. Backberg, with a copy to the attention of the Treasurer at such address.

(c) If given to any Holder, at the address set forth on the books and records of the Issuer.

All such notices shall be deemed to have been given when received in person, telecopied with receipt confirmed, or mailed by first class mail, postage prepaid except that if a notice or other document is refused delivery or cannot be delivered because of a changed address of which no notice was given, such notice or other document shall be deemed to have been delivered on the date of such refusal or inability to deliver.

SECTION 9.4 Benefit.

This Preferred Securities Guarantee is solely for the benefit of the Holders of the Preferred Securities and, subject to Section 3.1(a), is not separately transferable from the Preferred Securities.

SECTION 9.5 Governing Law.

THIS PREFERRED SECURITIES GUARANTEE SHALL BE GOVERNED BY, AND CONSTRUED

AND INTERPRETED IN ACCORDANCE WITH, THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

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THIS PREFERRED SECURITIES GUARANTEE is executed as of the day and year first above written.

THE ST. PAUL COMNPANIES,INC.,
as Guarantor

By:

Name: Bruce A. Backberg Title: Senior Vice President

JPMORGAN CHASE BANK,
as Preferred Guarantee Trustee

By:

Name: Joanne Adamis Title: Authorized Officer

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Exhibit 4.17


COMMON SECURITIES GUARANTEE AGREEMENT

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II

DATED AS OF _________, 200_



TABLE OF CONTENTS

                                    ARTICLE I

                         Definitions and Interpretation

SECTION 1.1         Definitions and Interpretation.......................................................1
SECTION 1.2         Interpretation.......................................................................2

                                   ARTICLE II

                                    Guarantee

SECTION 2.1         Guarantee............................................................................3
SECTION 2.2         Waiver of Notice and Demand..........................................................3
SECTION 2.3         Obligations Not Affected.............................................................3
SECTION 2.4         Rights of Holders....................................................................4
SECTION 2.5         Guarantee of Payment.................................................................4
SECTION 2.6         Subrogation..........................................................................4
SECTION 2.7         Independent Obligations..............................................................4

                                   ARTICLE III

                    Limitation of Transactions; Subordination

SECTION 3.1         Limitation of Transactions...........................................................4
SECTION 3.2         Ranking..............................................................................5

                                   ARTICLE IV

                                   Termination

SECTION 4.1         Termination..........................................................................5

                                    ARTICLE V

                                  Miscellaneous

SECTION 5.1         Successors and Assigns...............................................................5
SECTION 5.2         Amendments...........................................................................5
SECTION 5.3         Notices..............................................................................6
SECTION 5.4         Benefit..............................................................................6
SECTION 5.5         Governing Law........................................................................6

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COMMON SECURITIES GUARANTEE AGREEMENT

This GUARANTEE AGREEMENT (the "Common Securities Guarantee"), dated as of [_________, 200__], is executed and delivered by The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Guarantor"), for the benefit of the Holders (as defined herein) from time to time of the Common Securities (as defined herein) of St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust (the "Issuer").

WHEREAS, pursuant to an Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust (the "Declaration"), dated as of [________, 200__], among the trustees of the Issuer named therein, the Guarantor, as sponsor, and the holders from time to time of undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Issuer, the Issuer is issuing on the date hereof up to $[___________] aggregate liquidation preference of its [ ]% Common Securities (stated liquidation amount [$ ] per common security) (the "Common Securities") representing undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Issuer and having the terms set forth in the Declaration;

WHEREAS, as incentive for the Holders to purchase the Common Securities, the Guarantor desires to irrevocably and unconditionally agree, to the extent set forth in this Common Securities Guarantee, to pay to the Holders of the Common Securities the Guarantee Payments (as defined herein) and to make certain other payments on the terms and conditions set forth herein; and

WHEREAS, the Guarantor is also executing and delivering a guarantee agreement (the "Preferred Securities Guarantee") in substantially identical terms to this Common Securities Guarantee for the benefit of the holders of the Preferred Securities (as defined herein), except that if an Event of Default (as defined in the Indenture), has occurred and is continuing, the rights of Holders of the Common Securities to receive Guarantee Payments under this Common Securities Guarantee are subordinated to the rights of holders of Preferred Securities to receive Guarantee Payments under the Preferred Securities Guarantee.

NOW, THEREFORE, in consideration of the purchase by each Holder of Common Securities, which purchase the Guarantor hereby acknowledges and agrees shall benefit the Guarantor, the Guarantor executes and delivers this Common Securities Guarantee for the benefit of the Holders.

ARTICLE I

DEFINITIONS AND INTERPRETATION

SECTION 1.1 Definitions and Interpretation

In this Common Securities Guarantee, unless the context otherwise requires:

(a) Capitalized terms used in this Common Securities Guarantee but not defined in the preamble above have the respective meanings assigned to them in this Section 1.1;

(b) terms defined in the Declaration as at the date of execution of this Common Securities Guarantee have the same meaning when used in this Common Securities Guarantee unless otherwise defined in this Common Securities Guarantee or unless otherwise required;

(c) a term defined anywhere in this Common Securities Guarantee has the same meaning throughout;


(d) all references to "the Common Securities Guarantee" or "this Common Securities Guarantee" are to this Common Securities Guarantee as modified, supplemented or amended from time to time;

(e) all references in this Common Securities Guarantee to Articles and Sections are to Articles and Sections of this Common Securities Guarantee unless otherwise specified; and

(f) a reference to the singular includes the plural and vice versa.

"Debentures" mean the series of subordinated debt securities of the Guarantor designated the[ ]% Subordinated Debentures due [ ] held by the Institutional Trustee (as defined in the Declaration) of the Issuer.

"Guarantee Payments" shall mean the following payments or distributions, without duplication, with respect to the Common Securities, to the extent not paid or made by the Issuer: (i) any accrued and unpaid Distributions which are required to be paid on such Common Securities to the extent the Issuer shall have funds available therefor, (ii) the redemption price, including all accrued and unpaid Distributions to the date of redemption (the "Redemption Price") to the extent the Issuer has funds available therefor, with respect to any Common Securities called for redemption by the Issuer, and
(iii) upon a voluntary or involuntary dissolution, winding-up or termination of the Issuer (other than in connection with the distribution of Debentures to the Holders in exchange for Common Securities as provided in the Declaration), the lesser of (a) the aggregate of the liquidation amount and all accrued and unpaid Distributions on the Common Securities to the date of payment, to the extent the Issuer has funds available therefor, and (b) the amount of assets of the Issuer remaining available for distribution to Holders in liquidation of the Issuer (in either case, the "Liquidation Distribution"). If an Event of Default (as defined in the Indenture), has occurred and is continuing, the rights of Holders of the Common Securities to receive Guarantee Payments under this Common Securities Guarantee are subordinated to the rights of the holders of Preferred Securities to receive guarantee payments under the Preferred Securities Guarantee.

"Holder" shall mean any holder, as registered on the books and records of the Issuer, of any Common Securities.

"Preferred Securities" mean the securities representing preferred undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Issuer.

SECTION 1.2 Interpretation

Each definition in this Guarantee Agreement includes the singular and the plural, and references to the neuter gender include the masculine and feminine where appropriate. Terms which relate to accounting matters shall be interpreted in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles in effect from time to time. All references to "the Guarantee Agreement" are to this Guarantee Agreement as modified, supplemented or amended from time to time. References to any statute mean such statute as amended at the time and include any successor legislation. The word "or" is not exclusive, and the words "herein," "hereof' and "hereunder" refer to this Guarantee Agreement as a whole. The headings to the Articles and Sections are for convenience of reference and shall not affect the meaning or interpretation of this Guarantee Agreement. References to Articles and Sections mean the Articles and Sections of this Guarantee Agreement unless otherwise specified.

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ARTICLE II

GUARANTEE

SECTION 2.1 Guarantee

The Guarantor irrevocably and unconditionally agrees to pay in full to the Holders the Guarantee Payments, as and when due, regardless of any defense, right of set-off or counterclaim which the Issuer may have or assert. The Guarantor's obligation to make a Guarantee Payment may be satisfied by direct payment of the required amounts by the Guarantor to the Holders or by causing the Issuer to pay such amounts to the Holders.

SECTION 2.2 Waiver of Notice and Demand

The Guarantor hereby waives notice of acceptance of this Common Securities Guarantee and of any liability to which it applies or may apply, presentment, demand for payment, any right to require a proceeding first against the Issuer or any other Person before proceeding against the Guarantor, protest, notice of nonpayment, notice of dishonor, notice of redemption and all other notices and demands.

SECTION 2.3 Obligations Not Affected

The obligations, covenants, agreements and duties of the Guarantor under this Common Securities Guarantee shall in no way be affected or impaired by reason of the happening from time to time of any of the following:

(a) the release or waiver, by operation of law or otherwise, of the performance or observance by the Issuer of any express or implied agreement, covenant, term or condition relating to the Common Securities to be performed or observed by the Issuer;

(b) the extension of time for the payment by the Issuer of all or any portion of the Distributions, Redemption Price, Liquidation Distribution or any other sums payable under the terms of the Common Securities or the extension of time for the performance of any other obligation under, arising out of, or in connection with, the Common Securities (other than an extension of time for payment of Distributions, Redemption Price, Liquidation Distribution or other sum payable that results from the extension of any interest payment period on the Debentures as permitted by the Indenture);

(c) any failure, omission, delay or lack of diligence on the part of the Holders to enforce, assert or exercise any right, privilege, power or remedy conferred on the Holders pursuant to the terms of the Common Securities, or any action on the part of the Issuer granting indulgence or extension of any kind;

(d) the voluntary or involuntary liquidation, dissolution, sale of any collateral, receivership, insolvency, bankruptcy, assignment for the benefit of creditors, reorganization, arrangement, composition or readjustment of debt of, or other similar proceedings affecting, the Issuer or any of the assets of the Issuer;

(e) any invalidity of, or defect or deficiency in, the Common Securities;

(f) the settlement or compromise of any obligation guaranteed hereby or hereby incurred; or

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(g) any other circumstance whatsoever that might otherwise constitute a legal or equitable discharge or defense of a guarantor, it being the intent of this Section 2.3 that the obligations of the Guarantor hereunder shall be absolute and unconditional under any and all circumstances.

There shall be no obligation of the Holders to give notice to, or obtain consent of, the Guarantor with respect to the happening of any of the foregoing.

SECTION 2.4 Rights of Holders

The Guarantor expressly acknowledges that any Holder of Common Securities may institute a legal proceeding directly against the Guarantor to enforce its rights under this Common Securities Guarantee, without first instituting a legal proceeding against the Issuer or any other Person.

SECTION 2.5 Guarantee of Payment

This Common Securities Guarantee creates a guarantee of payment and not of collection.

SECTION 2.6 Subrogation

The Guarantor shall be subrogated to all (if any) rights of the Holders of Common Securities against the Issuer in respect of any amounts paid to such Holders by the Guarantor under this Common Securities Guarantee; provided, however, that the Guarantor shall not (except to the extent required by mandatory provisions of law) be entitled to enforce or exercise any rights which it may acquire by way of subrogation or any indemnity, reimbursement or other agreement, in all cases as a result of payment under this Common Securities Guarantee, if, at the time of any such payment, any amounts are due and unpaid under this Common Securities Guarantee. If any amount shall be paid to the Guarantor in violation of the preceding sentence, the Guarantor agrees to hold such amount in trust for the Holders and to pay over such amount of the Holders.

SECTION 2.7 Independent Obligations

The Guarantor acknowledges that its obligations hereunder are independent of the obligations of the Issuer with respect to the Common Securities and that the Guarantor shall be liable as principal and as debtor hereunder to make Guarantee Payments pursuant to the terms of this Common Securities Guarantee notwithstanding the occurrence of any event referred to in subsections (a) through (g), inclusive, of Section 2.3 hereof.

ARTICLE III

LIMITATION OF TRANSACTIONS; SUBORDINATION

SECTION 3.1 Limitation of Transactions

So long as any Common Securities remain outstanding, if there shall have occurred any event that would constitute an Event of Default or an event of default under the Declaration, then (a) the Guarantor shall not declare or pay any dividend on, make any distributions with respect to, or redeem, purchase, acquire or make a liquidation payment with respect to, any of its capital stock (other than (i) repurchases, redemptions or other acquisitions of shares of capital stock of the Guarantor in connection with any employment contract, benefit plan or other similar arrangement with or for the benefit of employees, officers, directors or consultants, (ii) as a result of a reclassification of the Guarantor's capital stock, or the exchange or conversion of any class or series of the Guarantor's capital stock for any other class or series of the Guarantor's capital stock, (iii) the purchase of fractional

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interests in shares of the Guarantor's capital stock pursuant to the conversion or exchange provisions of such capital stock or the security being converted or exchanged, or (iv) distributions of rights under any shareholders rights plan adopted by the Guarantor) or make any guarantee payment with respect thereto and
(b) the Guarantor shall not make any payment of interest on, or principal of (or premium, if any, on), or repay, repurchase or redeem, any debt securities issued by the Guarantor which rank pari passu with or junior to the Debentures and the Guarantor shall not make any guarantee payments with respect thereto (other than pursuant to the Preferred Security Guarantee); provided, however, the Guarantor may declare and pay a stock dividend where the dividend stock is the same stock as that on which the dividend is being paid.

SECTION 3.2 Ranking

This Common Securities Guarantee will constitute an unsecured obligation of the Guarantor and will rank (i) subordinate and junior in right of payment to all Senior Indebtedness (as defined in the Indenture) of the Guarantor, (ii) pari passu with the most senior preferred or preference stock now or hereafter issued by the Guarantor and with any guarantee now or hereafter entered into by the Guarantor in respect of any preferred or preference stock of any Affiliate of the Guarantor, and (iii) senior to the Guarantor's common stock. If an Event of Default has occurred and is continuing under the Declaration, the rights of the holders of the Common Securities to receive Guarantee Payments under this Common Securities Guarantee shall be subordinated to the rights of the holders of the Preferred Securities to receive payment of all amounts due and owing under the terms of the Preferred Guarantee.

ARTICLE IV

TERMINATION

SECTION 4.1 Termination

This Common Securities Guarantee shall terminate upon full payment of the Redemption Price of all Common Securities, upon the distribution of the Debentures to the Holders of all of the Common Securities or upon full payment of the amounts payable in accordance with the Declaration upon liquidation of the Issuer. Notwithstanding the foregoing, this Common Securities Guarantee will continue to be effective or will be reinstated, as the case may be, if at any time any Holder of Common Securities must restore payment of any sums paid under the Common Securities or under this Common Securities Guarantee.

ARTICLE V

MISCELLANEOUS

SECTION 5.1 Successors and Assigns

All guarantees and agreements contained in this Common Securities Guarantee shall bind the successors, assigns, receivers, trustees and representatives of the Guarantor and shall inure to the benefit of the Holders of the Common Securities then outstanding.

SECTION 5.2 Amendments

Except with respect to any changes which do not adversely affect the rights of Holders (in which case no consent of Holders will be required), this Common Securities Guarantee may only be amended with the prior approval of the Holders of at least a majority in liquidation amount of all the outstanding Common Securities. The provisions of Section 12.2 of the Declaration with respect to meetings of Holders of the Securities apply to the giving of such approval.

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SECTION 5.3 Notices

All notices provided for in this Common Securities Guarantee shall be in writing, duly signed by the party giving such notice, and shall be delivered, telecopied or mailed by registered or certified mail, as follows:

(a) if given to the Issuer, in care of the Regular Trustee at the Issuer's mailing address set forth below (or such other address as the Issuer may give notice of to the Holders of the Common Securities):

St. Paul Capital Trust II c/o The St. Paul Companies, Inc. 385 Washington Street St. Paul, Minnesota 55102 Attention: Bruce A. Backberg

(b) if given to the Guarantor, at the Guarantor's mailing address set forth below (or such other address as the Guarantor may give notice of to the Holders of the Common Securities):

The St. Paul Companies, Inc. 385 Washington Street St. Paul, Minnesota 55102 Attention: Bruce A. Backberg

(c) if given to any Holder of the Common Securities, at the address set forth on the books and records of the Issuer.

All such notices shall be deemed to have been given when received in person, telecopied with receipt confirmed, or mailed by first class mail, postage prepaid except that if a notice or other document is refused delivery or cannot be delivered because of a changed address of which no notice was given, such notice or other document shall be deemed to have been delivered on the date of such refusal or inability to deliver.

SECTION 5.4 Benefit

This Common Securities Guarantee is solely for the benefit of the Holders of the Common Securities and is not separately transferable from the Common Securities.

SECTION 5.5 Governing Law

THIS COMMON SECURITIES GUARANTEE SHALL BE GOVERNED BY, AND

CONSTRUED AND INTERPRETED IN ACCORDANCE WITH, THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

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IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have caused this Common Securities Guarantee Agreement to be duly executed as of the date hereof.

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.,
as Guarantor

By:

Name: Bruce A. Backberg Title: Senior Vice President

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II,
as Issuer

By:

Name: Bruce A. Backberg Title: Regular Trustee

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Exhibit 5.1

November 21, 2001

The St. Paul Companies, Inc.,
385 Washington Street,
St. Paul, Minnesota 55102.

St. Paul Capital Trust II,
c/o The St. Paul Companies, Inc.,
385 Washington Street,
St. Paul, Minnesota 55102.

Dear Sirs:

In connection with the registration under the Securities Act of 1933 (the "Act") of $1,001,000,000 aggregate amount of (a) senior and subordinated debt securities; preferred stock; depositary shares; common stock, without par value; warrants; stock purchase contracts and units (collectively the "Securities") of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Corporation"); (b) preferred securities (the "Preferred Securities") representing an undivided beneficial interest in the assets of St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust (the "Trust"); and (c) the guarantee by the Corporation, on a subordinated basis, of the payment of distributions and the redemption or liquidation price of the Preferred Securities (the "Guarantee"), I, as legal counsel to the Corporation, have examined such corporate records, certificates and other documents and such questions of law, as I have considered necessary or appropriate for the purposes of this opinion.

Upon the basis of such examination, I advise you that, in my opinion:

(1) Debt Securities. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the indentures relating to the senior and subordinated debt securities have been duly authorized, executed and delivered substantially in the forms filed as exhibits to the Registration Statement, the terms of the senior or subordinated debt securities, as the case may be, to be issued under an indenture and the terms of their issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the applicable indenture so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation and the senior or subordinated debt securities, as the case may be, have been duly authorized, executed and authenticated in accordance with the applicable indenture and issued and sold as contemplated in the Registration Statement, the senior or subordinated debt securities, as the case may be, will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Corporation, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles. The senior and subordinated debt securities covered by the opinion in this paragraph include any senior or subordinated debt securities, as the case may be, that may be issued upon exercise or otherwise pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.


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(2) Preferred Stock. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the preferred stock and of its issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the Corporation's restated articles of incorporation so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation, an appropriate certificate of designation or statement, as applicable, with respect to the preferred stock to be issued and sold has been duly filed with the Secretary of State of the State of Minnesota and when the preferred stock has been duly authorized, issued and sold as contemplated by the Registration Statement, the preferred stock will be validly issued, fully paid and non-assessable. The preferred stock covered in the opinion in this paragraph includes any preferred stock that may be represented by depositary shares or may be issued upon exercise or otherwise pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.

(3) Depositary Shares. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the deposit agreement under which the depositary shares are to be issued have been duly established and the deposit agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered, the terms of the depositary shares and of their issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the deposit agreement so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation, the preferred stock represented by the depositary shares has been duly delivered to the depositary and the depositary receipts evidencing the depositary shares have been duly issued against deposit of the preferred stock in accordance with the deposit agreement and authorized, issued and sold as contemplated by the Registration Statement, the depositary receipts evidencing the depositary shares will be validly issued and will entitle the holders thereof to the rights specified in the depositary shares and the deposit agreement, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles. The depositary shares covered by the opinion in this paragraph include any depositary shares that may be issued upon exercise or otherwise pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.

(4) Common Stock. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the sale of the common stock have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the Corporation's restated articles of incorporation so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation, and the common stock has been duly authorized, issued and sold as contemplated by the Registration Statement, the common stock will be validly issued, fully paid and non-assessable. The common stock covered in the opinion in this paragraph includes any common stock that may be issued upon exercise or otherwise pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.


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(5) Warrants. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the warrant agreement under which the warrants are to be issued have been duly established and the warrant agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered, the terms of such warrants and of their issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the warrant agreement so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation and such warrants have been duly authorized, executed and authenticated in accordance with the warrant agreement and issued and sold as contemplated in the Registration Statement, such warrants will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Corporation, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles. The warrants covered by the opinion in this paragraph include any warrants that may be issued pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.

(6) Stock Purchase Contracts. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the stock purchase contract agreement under which the stock purchase contracts are to be issued have been duly established and the stock purchase contract agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered, the terms of the stock purchase contracts and of their issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the stock purchase contract agreement so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation and the stock purchase contracts have been duly authorized, executed and authenticated in accordance with the stock purchase contract agreement and issued and sold as contemplated in the Registration Statement, the stock purchase contracts will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Corporation, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles. The stock purchase contracts covered by the opinion in this paragraph include any stock purchase contracts that may be issued pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.

(7) Units. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the unit agreement under which the units are to be issued have been duly established and the unit agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered, the terms of the units and of their issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the unit agreement so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation and the units have been duly authorized, executed and authenticated in accordance with the unit agreement and issued and sold as contemplated in the Registration Statement, the units will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Corporation, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles. The units covered by the opinion in this paragraph include any units that may be issued upon exercise or otherwise pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.


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(8) Guarantee. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the guarantee agreement under which the Guarantee is to be issued have been duly established by all necessary corporate action so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation, the guarantee agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered, and the Preferred Securities entitled to the benefit of the guarantee agreement have been duly authorized, issued and sold as contemplated in the Registration Statement, the Guarantee will constitute a valid and legally binding obligation of the Corporation, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles.

I note that, as of the date of this opinion, a judgment for money in an action based on a Security denominated in a foreign currency or currency unit in a Federal or state court in the United States ordinarily would be enforced in the United States only in United States dollars. The date used to determine the rate of conversion of the foreign currency or currency unit in which a particular Security is denominated into United States dollars will depend upon various factors, including which court renders judgment. In the case of a Security denominated in a foreign currency, a state court in the State of New York rendering a judgment on such Security would be required under Section 27 of the New York Judiciary Law to render such judgment in the foreign currency in which the Security is denominated, and such judgment would be converted into United States dollars at the exchange rate prevailing on the date of entry of the judgment.

The foregoing opinion is limited to the Federal laws of the United States and the laws of the States of New York and Minnesota, and I am expressing no opinion as to the effect of the laws of any other jurisdiction. With respect to all matters of New York law, I have relied upon the opinion, dated the date hereof, of Sullivan & Cromwell, and my opinion is subject to the same assumptions, qualifications and limitations with respect to such matters as are contained in such opinion of Sullivan & Cromwell.

Also, I have relied as to certain matters on information obtained from public officials, officers of the Corporation and other sources believed by me to be responsible.

I hereby consent to the filing of this opinion as an exhibit to the Registration Statement and to the references to me under the heading "Validity of Securities" in the Prospectus. In giving such consent, I do not thereby admit that I am in the category of persons whose consent is required under Section 7 of the Act.

Very truly yours,

/s/ Bruce A. Backberg


Exhibit 5.2

November 21, 2001

St. Paul Capital Trust II
c/o The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
385 Washington Street
St. Paul, Minnesota 55102

Re: St. Paul Capital Trust II

Ladies and Gentlemen:

We have acted as special Delaware counsel for The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Company"), and St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust (the "Trust"), in connection with the matters set forth herein. At your request, this opinion is being furnished to you.

For purposes of giving the opinions hereinafter set forth, our examination of documents has been limited to the examination of originals or copies of the following:

(a) The Certificate of Trust of the Trust, dated November 14, 2001, as filed with the office of the Secretary of State of the State of Delaware (the "Secretary of State") on November 14, 2001;

(b) The Declaration of Trust of the Trust, dated as of November 14, 2001, between the Company, as Sponsor, and the trustees of the Trust named therein;

(c) The Registration Statement (the "Registration Statement") on Form S-3, including a prospectus (the "Prospectus"), relating to the Preferred Securities of the Trust representing preferred undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust (each, a "Preferred Security" and collectively, the "Preferred Securities"), filed by the Company and the Trust with the Securities and Exchange Commission (the "SEC") on or about November 21, 2001;

(d) A form of Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust for the Trust, to be entered into between the Company, the trustees of the Trust named therein, and the holders, from time to time, of undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust (including Annex I and Exhibits A-1 and A-2 thereto) (the "Trust Agreement"), attached as an exhibit to the Registration Statement; and


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(e) A Certificate of Good Standing for the Trust, dated November 21, 2001, obtained from the Secretary of State.

Initially capitalized terms used herein and not otherwise defined are used as defined in the Trust Agreement.

For purposes of this opinion, we have not reviewed any documents other than the documents listed in paragraphs (a) through (e) above. In particular, we have not reviewed any document (other than the documents listed in paragraphs (a) through (e) above) that is referred to in or incorporated by reference into the documents reviewed by us. We have assumed that there exists no provision in any document that we have not reviewed that is inconsistent with the opinions stated herein. We have conducted no independent factual investigation of our own but rather have relied solely upon the foregoing documents, the statements and information set forth therein and the additional matters recited or assumed herein, all of which we have assumed to be true, complete and accurate in all material respects.

With respect to all documents examined by us, we have assumed (i) the authenticity of all documents submitted to us as authentic originals, (ii) the conformity with the originals of all documents submitted to us as copies or forms, and (iii) the genuineness of all signatures.

For purposes of this opinion, we have assumed (i) that the Trust Agreement and the Certificate of Trust are in full force and effect and have not been amended, (ii) except to the extent provided in paragraph 1 below, the due creation, due organization or due formation, as the case may be, and valid existence in good standing of each party to the documents examined by us under the laws of the jurisdiction governing its creation, organization or formation,
(iii) the legal capacity of natural persons who are parties to the documents examined by us, (iv) that each of the parties to the documents examined by us has the power and authority to execute and deliver, and to perform its obligations under, such documents, (v) the due authorization, execution and delivery by all parties thereto of all documents examined by us, (vi) the receipt by each Person to whom a Preferred Security is to be issued by the Trust (collectively, the "Preferred Security Holders") of a Preferred Security Certificate for such Preferred Security and the payment for such Preferred Security, in accordance with the Trust Agreement and the Registration Statement, and (vii) that the Preferred Securities are issued and sold to the Preferred Security Holders in accordance with the Trust Agreement and the Registration Statement. We have not participated in the preparation of the Registration Statement and assume no responsibility for its contents.

This opinion is limited to the laws of the State of Delaware (excluding the securities laws of the State of Delaware), and we have not considered and express no opinion on the laws of any other jurisdiction, including federal laws and rules and regulations relating thereto. Our opinions are rendered only with respect to Delaware laws and rules, regulations and orders thereunder which are currently in effect.


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Based upon the foregoing, and upon our examination of such questions of law and statutes of the State of Delaware as we have considered necessary or appropriate, and subject to the assumptions, qualifications, limitations and exceptions set forth herein, we are of the opinion that:

1. The Trust has been duly created and is validly existing in good standing as a business trust under the Delaware Business Trust Act.

2. The Preferred Securities will represent valid and, subject to the qualifications set forth in paragraph 3 below, fully paid and nonassessable undivided beneficial interests in the assets of the Trust.

3. The Preferred Security Holders, as beneficial owners of the Trust, will be entitled to the same limitation of personal liability extended to stockholders of private corporations for profit organized under the General Corporation Law of the State of Delaware. We note that the Preferred Security Holders may be obligated to make payments as set forth in the Trust Agreement.

We consent to the filing of this opinion with the Securities and Exchange Commission as an exhibit to the Registration Statement. In addition, we hereby consent to the use of our name under the heading "Validity of Securities" in the Prospectus. In giving the foregoing consents, we do not thereby admit that we come within the category of persons whose consent is required under Section 7 of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, or the rules and regulations of the Securities and Exchange Commission thereunder. Except as stated above, without our prior written consent, this opinion may not be furnished or quoted to, or relied upon by, any other person for any purpose.

Very truly yours,

/s/ Richards, Layton & Finger, P.A.


Exhibit 5.3

November 21, 2001

The St. Paul Companies, Inc.,
385 Washington Street,
St. Paul, Minnesota 55102.

St. Paul Capital Trust II,
c/o The St. Paul Companies, Inc.,
385 Washington Street,
St. Paul, Minnesota 55102.

Dear Sirs:

In connection with the registration under the Securities Act of 1933 (the "Act") of $1,001,000,000 aggregate amount of (a) senior and subordinated debt securities; preferred stock; depositary shares; common stock, without par value; warrants; stock purchase contracts and units (the senior and subordinated debt securities, the depositary shares, the warrants, the stock purchase contracts and the units, collectively, referred to herein as the "Securities") of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation (the "Corporation");


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(b) preferred securities (the "Preferred Securities") representing an undivided beneficial interest in the assets of St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust (the "Trust"); and (c) the guarantee by the Corporation, on a subordinated basis, of the payment of distributions and the redemption or liquidation price of the Preferred Securities (the "Guarantee"), we, as your special counsel, have examined such corporate records, certificates and other documents and such questions of law, as we have considered necessary or appropriate for the purposes of this opinion.

Upon the basis of such examination, we advise you that, in our opinion:

(1) Debt Securities. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the indentures relating to the senior and subordinated debt securities have been duly authorized, executed and delivered substantially in the forms filed as exhibits to the Registration Statement, the terms of the senior or subordinated debt securities, as the case may be, to be


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issued under an indenture and of their issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the applicable indenture so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation and the senior or subordinated debt securities, as the case may be, have been duly authorized, executed and authenticated in accordance with the applicable indenture and issued and sold as contemplated in the Registration Statement, the senior or subordinated debt securities, as the case may be, will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Corporation, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles. The senior and subordinated debt securities covered by the opinion in this paragraph include any senior or subordinated debt securities, as the case may be, that may be issued upon exercise or otherwise pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.


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(2) Depositary Shares. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the deposit agreement under which the depositary shares are to be issued have been duly established and the deposit agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered, the terms of the depositary shares and of their issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the deposit agreement so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation, the preferred stock represented by the depositary shares has been duly delivered to the depositary and the depositary receipts evidencing the depositary shares have been duly issued against deposit of the preferred stock in accordance with the deposit agreement and authorized, issued and sold as contemplated by the Registration


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Statement, the depositary receipts evidencing the depositary shares will be validly issued and will entitle the holders thereof to the rights specified in the depositary shares and the deposit agreement, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles. The depositary shares covered by the opinion in this paragraph include any depositary shares that may be issued upon exercise or otherwise pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.

(3) Warrants. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the warrant agreement under which the warrants are to be issued have been duly established and the warrant agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered, the terms of such warrants and of their issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the warrant agreement so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation


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and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation and such warrants have been duly authorized, executed and authenticated in accordance with the warrant agreement and issued and sold as contemplated in the Registration Statement, such warrants will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Corporation, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles. The warrants covered by the opinion in this paragraph include any warrants that may be issued pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.

(4) Stock Purchase Contracts. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the stock purchase contract agreement under which the stock purchase contracts are to be issued have been duly established and the stock purchase contract agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered, the terms of the stock purchase contracts and of their


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issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the stock purchase contract agreement so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation and the stock purchase contracts have been duly authorized, executed and authenticated in accordance with the stock purchase contract agreement and issued and sold as contemplated in the Registration Statement, the stock purchase contracts will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Corporation, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles. The stock purchase contracts covered by the opinion in this paragraph include any stock purchase contracts that may be issued pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.


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(5) Units. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the unit agreement under which the units are to be issued have been duly established and the unit agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered, the terms of the units and of their issuance and sale have been duly established by all necessary corporate action in conformity with the unit agreement so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation and the units have been duly authorized, executed and authenticated in accordance with the unit agreement and issued and sold as contemplated in the Registration Statement, the units will constitute valid and legally binding obligations of the Corporation, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles. The units covered by the opinion in this paragraph include any units that may be issued upon exercise or otherwise pursuant to the terms of any other Securities.


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(6) Guarantee. When the Registration Statement has become effective under the Act, the terms of the guarantee agreement under which the Guarantee is to be issued have been duly established by all necessary corporate action so as not to violate any applicable law or result in a default under or breach of any agreement or instrument binding upon the Corporation and so as to comply with any requirement or restriction imposed by any court or governmental body having jurisdiction over the Corporation, the guarantee agreement has been duly authorized, executed and delivered, and the Preferred Securities entitled to the benefit of the guarantee agreement have been duly authorized, issued and sold as contemplated in the Registration Statement, the Guarantee will constitute a valid and legally binding obligation of the Corporation, subject to bankruptcy, insolvency, fraudulent transfer, reorganization, moratorium and similar laws of general applicability relating to or affecting creditors' rights and to general equity principles.


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We note that, as of the date of this opinion, a judgment for money in an action based on a Security denominated in a foreign currency or currency unit in a Federal or state court in the United States ordinarily would be enforced in the United States only in United States dollars. The date used to determine the rate of conversion of the foreign currency or currency unit in which a particular Security is denominated into United States dollars will depend upon various factors, including which court renders judgment. In the case of a Security denominated in a foreign currency, a state court in the State of New York rendering a judgment on such Security would be required under Section 27 of the New York Judiciary Law to render such judgment in the foreign currency in which the Security is denominated, and such judgment would be converted into United States dollars at the exchange rate prevailing on the date of entry of the judgment.

The foregoing opinion is limited to the Federal laws of the United States and the laws of the States of New York and Minnesota, and we are expressing no opinion as to


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The St. Paul Companies, Inc.
St. Paul Capital Trust II

the effect of the laws of any other jurisdiction. With respect to all matters of Minnesota law, we have relied upon the opinion, dated the date hereof, of Bruce
A. Backberg, Senior Vice President of the Corporation, and our opinion is subject to the same assumptions, qualifications and limitations with respect to such matters as are contained in such opinion of Mr. Backberg.

Also, we have relied as to certain matters on information obtained from public officials, officers of the Corporation and other sources believed by us to be responsible.

We hereby consent to the filing of this opinion as an exhibit to the Registration Statement and to the references to us under the heading "Validity of Securities" in the Prospectus. In giving such consent, we do not thereby admit that we are in the category of persons whose consent is required under
Section 7 of the Act.

Very truly yours,

/s/ Sullivan & Cromwell


Exhibit 12

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC. AND SUBSIDIARIES
Computation of Ratios
(In millions, except ratios)

                                                 2000      1999       1998       1997      1996
                                                ------    ------     ------     ------    ------
EARNINGS:

 Income from continuing operations
      before income taxes                       $1,401      $951       $100     $1,356    $1,331
Add: fixed charges                                 174       175        153        150       139
                                                ------    ------     ------     ------    ------
        Income, as adjusted                     $1,575    $1,126       $253     $1,506    $1,470
                                                ======    ======     ======     ======    ======

FIXED CHARGES AND PREFERRED DIVIDENDS:

Interest expense and amortization                 $116       $99        $75        $87       $87
Dividends on preferred capital securities           31        36         38         33        13
Rental expense (1)                                  27        40         40         30        39
                                                ------    ------     ------     ------    ------
        Total fixed charges                        174       175        153        150       139


Preferred stock dividend requirements               15        16         13         20        38
                                                ======    ======     ======     ======    ======

         Total fixed charges and preferred
          stock dividend requirements              189       191        166        170       177
                                                ======    ======     ======     ======    ======

Ratio of earnings to fixed charges                9.03      6.43       1.65      10.06     10.59
                                                ======    ======     ======     ======    ======

Ratio of earnings to combined fixed charges
     and preferred stock dividend requirements    8.32      5.88       1.52       8.88      8.31
                                                ======    ======     ======     ======    ======


(1) Interest portion deemed implicit in total rent expense.

Exhibit 23.1

INDEPENDENT AUDITORS' CONSENT

The Board of Directors
The St. Paul Companies, Inc.

We consent to incorporation by reference in the registration statement on Form S-3 of the St. Paul Capital Trust II and The St. Paul Companies, Inc., of our reports dated January 23, 2001, relating to the consolidated balance sheets of The St. Paul Companies, Inc. and subsidiaries as of December 31, 2000 and 1999, and the related consolidated statements of income, shareholders' equity, comprehensive income and cash flows for each of the years in the three-year period ended December 31, 2000 and related schedules I through V, which reports appear or are incorporated by reference in the December 31, 2000 annual report on Form 10-K of The St. Paul Companies, Inc. and to the reference to our firm under the heading "Experts" in the prospectus. Our report refers to a change in the Company's method of accounting for insurance-related assessments.

/s/ KPMG LLP

Minneapolis, Minnesota
November 21, 2001


Exhibit 24

POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ H. Furlong Baldwin
          ----------------------------------

Name: H. Furlong Baldwin


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ Carolyn H. Byrd
          ----------------------------------

Name: Carolyn H. Byrd


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ John H. Dasburg
          ----------------------------------

Name: John H. Dasburg


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ Janet M. Dolan
          ----------------------------------

Name: Janet M. Dolan


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ Kenneth M. Duberstein
          ----------------------------------

Name: Kenneth M. Duberstein


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ Pierson M. Grieve
          ----------------------------------

Name: Pierson M. Grieve


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ Thomas R. Hodgson
          ----------------------------------

Name: Thomas R. Hodgson


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ David G. John
          ----------------------------------

Name: David G. John


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ William H. Kling
          ----------------------------------

Name: William H. Kling


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ Douglas W. Leatherdale
          ----------------------------------

Name: Douglas W. Leatherdale


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ Bruce K. MacLaury
          ----------------------------------

Name: Bruce K. MacLaury


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ Glen D. Nelson
          ----------------------------------

Name: Glen D. Nelson


POWER OF ATTORNEY

KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS, that I, the undersigned, a director of The St. Paul Companies, Inc., a Minnesota corporation ("The St. Paul"), do hereby make, nominate and appoint Jay Fishman, Thomas Bradley, Thomas Bergmann, John MacColl and Bruce Backberg, and each of them, with full powers to act without the others, as my true and lawful attorneys-in-fact and agents, with full power of substitution and resubstitution, for me and in my name, place and stead, in any and all capacities, to sign on my behalf a Registration Statement on Form S-3 for the registration of $1,000,000 of senior debt securities of The St. Paul, subordinated debt securities of The St. Paul, preferred stock of The St. Paul, depositary shares of The St. Paul, common stock of The St. Paul, warrants of The St. Paul, trust preferred securities to be issued by St. Paul Capital Trust II, a Delaware business trust established by The St. Paul, and a guarantee of The St. Paul relating to the trust preferred securities, such Registration Statement to constitute a post-effective amendment to The St. Paul's existing $1,000,000,000 debt shelf registration statement (No. 333-44122) (together, the "Registration Statements") under the authority granted by the Board of Directors of The St. Paul by its unanimous written consent dated November 16, 2001, to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission by The St. Paul and St. Paul Capital Trust II, and any and all amendments (including post-effective amendments) to the Registration Statements, and any related registration statements to be filed pursuant to Rule 462(b) under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (each, a "Rule 462(b) Registration Statement") and to file the same, with all exhibits thereto, and all documents in connection therewith, with the Securities and Exchange Commission, provided that the Registration Statements and any amendment thereto (and any Rule 462(b) Registration Statement), in their final form, are reviewed by said attorney-in-fact, and shall have the same force and effect as though I had manually signed such Registration Statement or Rule
462(b) Registration Statement.

Signature: /s/ Gordon M. Sprenger
          ----------------------------------

Name: Gordon M. Sprenger


Exhibit 25.1


SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D. C. 20549


FORM T-1

STATEMENT OF ELIGIBILITY
UNDER THE TRUST INDENTURE ACT OF 1939 OF
A CORPORATION DESIGNATED TO ACT AS TRUSTEE


CHECK IF AN APPLICATION TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY OF
A TRUSTEE PURSUANT TO SECTION 305(b)(2) ________


THE CHASE MANHATTAN BANK
(Exact name of trustee as specified in its charter)

             NEW YORK                                     13-4994650
      ------------------------                        -------------------
      (State of incorporation                          (I.R.S. employer
       if not a national bank)                        identification No.)

         270 PARK AVENUE
        NEW YORK, NEW YORK                                   10017
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(Address of principal executive offices)                  (Zip Code)

                               William H. McDavid
                                 General Counsel
                                 270 Park Avenue
                            New York, New York 10017
                               Tel: (212) 270-2611
            ---------------------------------------------------------
            (Name, address and telephone number of agent for service)

                                   ----------

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
(Exact name of obligor as specified in its charter)

              MINNESOTA                                   41-0518860
    --------------------------------                  -------------------
    (State or other jurisdiction of                    (I.R.S. employer
     incorporation or organization)                   identification No.)

       385 WASHINGTON STREET
            ST. PAUL, MN                                     55102
----------------------------------------                  ----------
(Address of principal executive offices)                  (Zip Code)


                                  ----------

SENIOR DEBT SECURITIES OF THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
(Title of the indenture securities)


GENERAL

ITEM 1. GENERAL INFORMATION.

Furnish the following information as to the trustee:

(a) Name and address of each examining or supervising authority to which it is subject.

New York State Banking Department, State House, Albany, New York 12110.

Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, Washington, D.C., 20551

Federal Reserve Bank of New York, District No. 2, 33 Liberty Street, New York, N.Y.

Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Washington, D.C., 20429.

(b) Whether it is authorized to exercise corporate trust powers.

Yes.

ITEM 2. AFFILIATIONS WITH THE OBLIGOR.

If the obligor is an affiliate of the trustee, describe each such affiliation.

None.

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ITEM 16. LIST OF EXHIBITS

List below all exhibits filed as a part of this Statement of Eligibility.

1. A copy of the Articles of Association of the Trustee as now in effect, including the Organization Certificate and the Certificates of Amendment dated February 17, 1969, August 31, 1977, December 31, 1980, September 9, 1982, February 28, 1985, December 2, 1991 and July 10, 1996 (see Exhibit 1 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 333-06249, which is incorporated by reference).

2. A copy of the Certificate of Authority of the Trustee to Commence Business (see Exhibit 2 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 33-50010, which is incorporated by reference. On July 14, 1996, in connection with the merger of Chemical Bank and The Chase Manhattan Bank (National Association), Chemical Bank, the surviving corporation, was renamed The Chase Manhattan Bank).

3. None, authorization to exercise corporate trust powers being contained in the documents identified above as Exhibits 1 and 2.

4. A copy of the existing By-Laws of the Trustee (see Exhibit 4 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 333-06249, which is incorporated by reference).

5. Not applicable.

6. The consent of the Trustee required by Section 321(b) of the Act (see Exhibit 6 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 33-50010, which is incorporated by reference. On July 14, 1996, in connection with the merger of Chemical Bank and The Chase Manhattan Bank (National Association), Chemical Bank, the surviving corporation, was renamed The Chase Manhattan Bank).

7. A copy of the latest report of condition of the Trustee, published pursuant to law or the requirements of its supervising or examining authority.

8. Not applicable.

9. Not applicable.

SIGNATURE

Pursuant to the requirements of the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 the Trustee, The Chase Manhattan Bank, a corporation organized and existing under the laws of the State of New York, has duly caused this statement of eligibility to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned, thereunto duly authorized, all in the City of New York and State of New York, on the 9th day of November, 2001.

THE CHASE MANHATTAN BANK

By  /s/ Joanne Adamis
    -------------------------------------
        Joanne Adamis
        Vice President

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Exhibit 7 to Form T-1

Bank Call Notice

RESERVE DISTRICT NO. 2
CONSOLIDATED REPORT OF CONDITION OF

The Chase Manhattan Bank
of 270 Park Avenue, New York, New York 10017
and Foreign and Domestic Subsidiaries,
a member of the Federal Reserve System,

at the close of business June 30, 2001, in accordance with a call made by the Federal Reserve Bank of this District pursuant to the provisions of the Federal Reserve Act.

                                                                                  DOLLAR AMOUNTS
                              ASSETS                                               IN MILLIONS
                              ------                                              --------------
Cash and balances due from depository institutions:
    Noninterest-bearing balances and
    currency and coin ..........................................................     $ 21,536
    Interest-bearing balances ..................................................       31,428
Securities:
Held to maturity securities.....................................................          481
Available for sale securities...................................................       60,903
Federal funds sold and securities purchased under
    agreements to resell .......................................................       42,824
Loans and lease financing receivables:
    Loans and leases held for sale..............................................        3,856
    Loans and leases, net of unearned income        $155,575
    Less: Allowance for loan and lease losses          2,276
    Loans and leases, net of unearned income and
    allowance ..................................................................      153,299
Trading Assets..................................................................       66,636
Premises and fixed assets (including capitalized leases)........................        4,468
Other real estate owned.........................................................           45
Investments in unconsolidated subsidiaries and
    associated companies........................................................          353
Customers' liability to this bank on acceptances
    outstanding ................................................................          346
Intangible assets
        Goodwill................................................................        1,785
        Other Intangible assets.................................................        4,365
Other assets ...................................................................       19,923
                                                                                     --------
TOTAL ASSETS ...................................................................     $412,248
                                                                                     ========

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                                LIABILITIES
                                -----------
Deposits
    In domestic offices ........................................................     $137,865
    Noninterest-bearing ............................$ 56,799
    Interest-bearing ...............................  81,066
    In foreign offices, Edge and Agreement
    subsidiaries and IBF's .....................................................      113,924
        Noninterest-bearing.........................$  6,537
    Interest-bearing ............................... 107,387

Federal funds purchased and securities sold under agree-
ments to repurchase ............................................................       65,474
Trading liabilities ............................................................       39,611
Other borrowed money (includes mortgage indebtedness
    and obligations under capitalized leases)...................................       10,573
Bank's liability on acceptances executed and outstanding........................          346
Subordinated notes and debentures ..............................................        6,355
Other liabilities ..............................................................       14,772
TOTAL LIABILITIES ..............................................................      388,920
Minority Interest in consolidated subsidiaries..................................           89

                             EQUITY CAPITAL
                             --------------

Perpetual preferred stock and related surplus...................................            0
Common stock ...................................................................        1,211
Surplus  (exclude all surplus related to preferred stock).......................       12,715
    Retained earnings...........................................................        9,985
    Accumulated other comprehensive income......................................         (672)
Other equity capital components.................................................            0
TOTAL EQUITY CAPITAL ...........................................................       23,239
                                                                                     --------
TOTAL LIABILITIES, MINORITY INTEREST, AND EQUITY CAPITAL                             $412,248
                                                                                     ========

I, Joseph L. Sclafani, E.V.P. & Controller of the above-named bank, do hereby declare that this Report of Condition has been prepared in conformance with the instructions issued by the appropriate Federal regulatory authority and is true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

JOSEPH L. SCLAFANI

We, the undersigned directors, attest to the correctness of this Report of Condition and declare that it has been examined by us, and to the best of our knowledge and belief has been prepared in conformance with the in- structions issued by the appropriate Federal regulatory authority and is true and correct.

WILLIAM B. HARRISON JR. )
DOUGLAS A. WARNER III ) DIRECTORS
WILLIAM H. GRAY III )

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Exhibit 25.2


SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D. C. 20549


FORM T-1

STATEMENT OF ELIGIBILITY
UNDER THE TRUST INDENTURE ACT OF 1939 OF
A CORPORATION DESIGNATED TO ACT AS TRUSTEE


CHECK IF AN APPLICATION TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY OF
A TRUSTEE PURSUANT TO SECTION 305(b)(2) ________


THE CHASE MANHATTAN BANK
(Exact name of trustee as specified in its charter)

             NEW YORK                                         13-4994650
      ------------------------                            -------------------
      (State of incorporation                              (I.R.S. employer
       if not a national bank)                            identification No.)

          270 PARK AVENUE
         NEW YORK, NEW YORK                                     10017
----------------------------------------                      ----------
(Address of principal executive offices)                      (Zip Code)

                               William H. McDavid
                                 General Counsel
                                 270 Park Avenue
                            New York, New York 10017
                               Tel: (212) 270-2611
            ---------------------------------------------------------
            (Name, address and telephone number of agent for service)

                                   ----------

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
(Exact name of obligor as specified in its charter)

             MINNESOTA                                        41-0518860
   -------------------------------                       --------------------
   (State or other jurisdiction of                         (I.R.S. employer
    incorporation or organization)                        identification No.)

       385 WASHINGTON STREET
            ST. PAUL, MN                                         55102
----------------------------------------                      ----------
(Address of principal executive offices)                      (Zip Code)

                                   ----------

SUBORDINATED DEBT SECURITIES OF THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
(Title of the indenture securities)


GENERAL

ITEM 1. GENERAL INFORMATION.

Furnish the following information as to the trustee:

(a) Name and address of each examining or supervising authority to which it is subject.

New York State Banking Department, State House, Albany, New York 12110.

Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, Washington, D.C., 20551

Federal Reserve Bank of New York, District No. 2, 33 Liberty Street, New York, N.Y.

Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Washington, D.C., 20429.

(b) Whether it is authorized to exercise corporate trust powers.

Yes.

ITEM 2. AFFILIATIONS WITH THE OBLIGOR.

If the obligor is an affiliate of the trustee, describe each such affiliation.

None.

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ITEM 16. LIST OF EXHIBITS

List below all exhibits filed as a part of this Statement of Eligibility.

1. A copy of the Articles of Association of the Trustee as now in effect, including the Organization Certificate and the Certificates of Amendment dated February 17, 1969, August 31, 1977, December 31, 1980, September 9, 1982, February 28, 1985, December 2, 1991 and July 10, 1996 (see Exhibit 1 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 333-06249, which is incorporated by reference).

2. A copy of the Certificate of Authority of the Trustee to Commence Business (see Exhibit 2 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 33-50010, which is incorporated by reference. On July 14, 1996, in connection with the merger of Chemical Bank and The Chase Manhattan Bank (National Association), Chemical Bank, the surviving corporation, was renamed The Chase Manhattan Bank).

3. None, authorization to exercise corporate trust powers being contained in the documents identified above as Exhibits 1 and 2.

4. A copy of the existing By-Laws of the Trustee (see Exhibit 4 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 333-06249, which is incorporated by reference).

5. Not applicable.

6. The consent of the Trustee required by Section 321(b) of the Act (see Exhibit 6 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 33-50010, which is incorporated by reference. On July 14, 1996, in connection with the merger of Chemical Bank and The Chase Manhattan Bank (National Association), Chemical Bank, the surviving corporation, was renamed The Chase Manhattan Bank).

7. A copy of the latest report of condition of the Trustee, published pursuant to law or the requirements of its supervising or examining authority.

8. Not applicable.

9. Not applicable.

SIGNATURE

Pursuant to the requirements of the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 the Trustee, The Chase Manhattan Bank, a corporation organized and existing under the laws of the State of New York, has duly caused this statement of eligibility to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned, thereunto duly authorized, all in the City of New York and State of New York, on the 9th day of November, 2001.

THE CHASE MANHATTAN BANK

By  /s/ Joanne Adamis
    -------------------------------------
        Joanne Adamis
        Vice President

-3-

Exhibit 7 to Form T-1

Bank Call Notice

RESERVE DISTRICT NO. 2
CONSOLIDATED REPORT OF CONDITION OF

The Chase Manhattan Bank
of 270 Park Avenue, New York, New York 10017
and Foreign and Domestic Subsidiaries,
a member of the Federal Reserve System,

at the close of business June 30, 2001, in accordance with a call made by the Federal Reserve Bank of this District pursuant to the provisions of the Federal Reserve Act.

                                                                                 DOLLAR AMOUNTS
                                  ASSETS                                           IN MILLIONS
                                  ------                                         --------------
Cash and balances due from depository institutions:
    Noninterest-bearing balances and
    currency and coin ..........................................................    $  21,536
    Interest-bearing balances ...................................................      31,428
Securities:
Held to maturity securities.....................................................          481
Available for sale securities...................................................       60,903
Federal funds sold and securities purchased under
    agreements to resell .......................................................       42,824
Loans and lease financing receivables:
    Loans and leases held for sale..............................................        3,856
    Loans and leases, net of unearned income        $155,575
    Less: Allowance for loan and lease losses          2,276
    Loans and leases, net of unearned income and
    allowance ..................................................................      153,299
Trading Assets..................................................................       66,636
Premises and fixed assets (including capitalized leases)........................        4,468
Other real estate owned.........................................................           45
Investments in unconsolidated subsidiaries and associated
companies.......................................................................          353
Customers' liability to this bank on acceptances
    outstanding ................................................................          346
Intangible assets
        Goodwill................................................................        1,785
        Other Intangible assets.................................................        4,365
Other assets ...................................................................       19,923
                                                                                     --------
TOTAL ASSETS ...................................................................     $412,248
                                                                                     ========

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                                 LIABILITIES
                                 -----------

Deposits
    In domestic offices ........................................................     $137,865
    Noninterest-bearing .......................... $ 56,799
    Interest-bearing .............................   81,066
    In foreign offices, Edge and Agreement
    subsidiaries and IBF's .....................................................      113,924
        Noninterest-bearing....................... $  6,537
    Interest-bearing .............................  107,387

Federal funds purchased and securities sold under agree-
ments to repurchase ............................................................       65,474
Trading liabilities ............................................................       39,611
Other borrowed money (includes mortgage indebtedness
    and obligations under capitalized leases)...................................       10,573
Bank's liability on acceptances executed and outstanding........................          346
Subordinated notes and debentures ..............................................        6,355
Other liabilities ..............................................................       14,772
TOTAL LIABILITIES ..............................................................      388,920
Minority Interest in consolidated subsidiaries..................................           89

                               EQUITY CAPITAL
                               --------------

Perpetual preferred stock and related surplus...................................            0
Common stock ...................................................................        1,211
Surplus  (exclude all surplus related to preferred stock).......................       12,715
    Retained earnings...........................................................        9,985
    Accumulated other comprehensive income......................................         (672)
Other equity capital components.................................................            0
TOTAL EQUITY CAPITAL ...........................................................       23,239
                                                                                     --------
TOTAL LIABILITIES, MINORITY INTEREST, AND EQUITY CAPITAL                             $412,248
                                                                                     ========

I, Joseph L. Sclafani, E.V.P. & Controller of the above-named bank, do hereby declare that this Report of Condition has been prepared in conformance with the instructions issued by the appropriate Federal regulatory authority and is true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

JOSEPH L. SCLAFANI

We, the undersigned directors, attest to the correctness of this Report of Condition and declare that it has been examined by us, and to the best of our knowledge and belief has been prepared in conformance with the in- structions issued by the appropriate Federal regulatory authority and is true and correct.

WILLIAM B. HARRISON JR. )
DOUGLAS A. WARNER III ) DIRECTORS
WILLIAM H. GRAY III )

-5-

Exhibit 25.3


SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D. C. 20549


FORM T-1

STATEMENT OF ELIGIBILITY
UNDER THE TRUST INDENTURE ACT OF 1939 OF
A CORPORATION DESIGNATED TO ACT AS TRUSTEE

CHECK IF AN APPLICATION TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY OF
A TRUSTEE PURSUANT TO SECTION 305(b)(2) ________


THE CHASE MANHATTAN BANK
(Exact name of trustee as specified in its charter)

              NEW YORK                                         13-4994650
       -----------------------                             -------------------
       (State of incorporation                             (I.R.S. employer
       if not a national bank)                             identification No.)

          270 PARK AVENUE
         NEW YORK, NEW YORK                                       10017
----------------------------------------                       ----------
(Address of principal executive offices)                       (Zip Code)

                               William H. McDavid
                                 General Counsel
                                 270 Park Avenue
                            New York, New York 10017
                               Tel: (212) 270-2611
            ---------------------------------------------------------
            (Name, address and telephone number of agent for service)

                                   ----------

ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II
(Exact name of obligor as specified in its charter)

              DELAWARE                                         41-6495364
   -------------------------------                         -------------------
   (State or other jurisdiction of                          (I.R.S. employer
    incorporation or organization)                         identification No.)

   C/O THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
        385 WASHINGTON STREET
           ST. PAUL, MN                                           55102
----------------------------------------                        ----------
(Address of principal executive offices)                        (Zip Code)

                                   ----------

PREFERRED SECURITIES OF ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II
(Title of the indenture securities)


GENERAL

ITEM 1. GENERAL INFORMATION.

Furnish the following information as to the trustee:

(a) Name and address of each examining or supervising authority to which it is subject.

New York State Banking Department, State House, Albany, New York 12110.

Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, Washington, D.C., 20551

Federal Reserve Bank of New York, District No. 2, 33 Liberty Street, New York, N.Y.

Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Washington, D.C., 20429.

(b) Whether it is authorized to exercise corporate trust powers.

Yes.

ITEM 2. AFFILIATIONS WITH THE OBLIGOR.

If the obligor is an affiliate of the trustee, describe each such affiliation.

None.

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ITEM 16. LIST OF EXHIBITS

List below all exhibits filed as a part of this Statement of Eligibility.

1. A copy of the Articles of Association of the Trustee as now in effect, including the Organization Certificate and the Certificates of Amendment dated February 17, 1969, August 31, 1977, December 31, 1980, September 9, 1982, February 28, 1985, December 2, 1991 and July 10, 1996 (see Exhibit 1 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 333-06249, which is incorporated by reference).

2. A copy of the Certificate of Authority of the Trustee to Commence Business (see Exhibit 2 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 33-50010, which is incorporated by reference. On July 14, 1996, in connection with the merger of Chemical Bank and The Chase Manhattan Bank (National Association), Chemical Bank, the surviving corporation, was renamed The Chase Manhattan Bank).

3. None, authorization to exercise corporate trust powers being contained in the documents identified above as Exhibits 1 and 2.

4. A copy of the existing By-Laws of the Trustee (see Exhibit 4 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 333-06249, which is incorporated by reference).

5. Not applicable.

6. The consent of the Trustee required by Section 321(b) of the Act (see Exhibit 6 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 33-50010, which is incorporated by reference. On July 14, 1996, in connection with the merger of Chemical Bank and The Chase Manhattan Bank (National Association), Chemical Bank, the surviving corporation, was renamed The Chase Manhattan Bank).

7. A copy of the latest report of condition of the Trustee, published pursuant to law or the requirements of its supervising or examining authority.

8. Not applicable.

9. Not applicable.

SIGNATURE

Pursuant to the requirements of the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 the Trustee, The Chase Manhattan Bank, a corporation organized and existing under the laws of the State of New York, has duly caused this statement of eligibility to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned, thereunto duly authorized, all in the City of New York and State of New York, on the 9th day of November, 2001.

THE CHASE MANHATTAN BANK

By /s/ Joanne Adamis
   --------------------------------------
       Joanne Adamis
       Vice President

-3-

Exhibit 7 to Form T-1

Bank Call Notice

RESERVE DISTRICT NO. 2
CONSOLIDATED REPORT OF CONDITION OF

The Chase Manhattan Bank
of 270 Park Avenue, New York, New York 10017
and Foreign and Domestic Subsidiaries,
a member of the Federal Reserve System,

at the close of business June 30, 2001, in accordance with a call made by the Federal Reserve Bank of this District pursuant to the provisions of the Federal Reserve Act.

                                                                                   DOLLAR AMOUNTS
                                 ASSETS                                             IN MILLIONS
                                 ------                                            --------------
Cash and balances due from depository institutions:
    Noninterest-bearing balances and
    currency and coin ..........................................................    $ 21,536
    Interest-bearing balances ..................................................      31,428
Securities:
Held to maturity securities.....................................................         481
Available for sale securities...................................................      60,903
Federal funds sold and securities purchased under
    agreements to resell .......................................................      42,824
Loans and lease financing receivables:
    Loans and leases held for sale..............................................       3,856
    Loans and leases, net of unearned income        $155,575
    Less: Allowance for loan and lease losses          2,276
    Loans and leases, net of unearned income and
      allowance.................................................................     153,299
Trading Assets..................................................................      66,636
Premises and fixed assets (including capitalized leases)........................       4,468
Other real estate owned.........................................................          45
Investments in unconsolidated subsidiaries and associated
companies.......................................................................         353
Customers' liability to this bank on acceptances
    outstanding ................................................................         346
Intangible assets
        Goodwill................................................................       1,785
        Other Intangible assets.................................................       4,365
Other assets ...................................................................      19,923
                                                                                    --------
TOTAL ASSETS ...................................................................    $412,248
                                                                                    ========

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                               LIABILITIES
                               -----------
Deposits
    In domestic offices ........................................................    $137,865
    Noninterest-bearing ........................... $ 56,799
    Interest-bearing ...............................  81,066
    In foreign offices, Edge and Agreement
    subsidiaries and IBF's......................................................     113,924
        Noninterest-bearing........................ $  6,537
    Interest-bearing ..............................  107,387

Federal funds purchased and securities sold under agree-
ments to repurchase ............................................................      65,474
Trading liabilities ............................................................      39,611
Other borrowed money (includes mortgage indebtedness
    and obligations under capitalized leases)...................................      10,573
Bank's liability on acceptances executed and outstanding........................         346
Subordinated notes and debentures ..............................................       6,355
Other liabilities ..............................................................      14,772
TOTAL LIABILITIES ..............................................................     388,920
Minority Interest in consolidated subsidiaries..................................          89

                             EQUITY CAPITAL
                             --------------

Perpetual preferred stock and related surplus...................................           0
Common stock ...................................................................       1,211
Surplus  (exclude all surplus related to preferred stock).......................      12,715
    Retained earnings...........................................................       9,985
    Accumulated other comprehensive income......................................        (672)
Other equity capital components.................................................           0
TOTAL EQUITY CAPITAL ...........................................................      23,239
                                                                                    --------
TOTAL LIABILITIES, MINORITY INTEREST, AND EQUITY CAPITAL                            $412,248
                                                                                    ========

I, Joseph L. Sclafani, E.V.P. & Controller of the above-named bank, do hereby declare that this Report of Condition has been prepared in conformance with the instructions issued by the appropriate Federal regulatory authority and is true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

JOSEPH L. SCLAFANI

We, the undersigned directors, attest to the correctness of this Report of Condition and declare that it has been examined by us, and to the best of our knowledge and belief has been prepared in conformance with the in- structions issued by the appropriate Federal regulatory authority and is true and correct.

WILLIAM B. HARRISON JR. )
DOUGLAS A. WARNER III ) DIRECTORS
WILLIAM H. GRAY III )

-5-

Exhibit 25.4


SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D. C. 20549


FORM T-1
STATEMENT OF ELIGIBILITY
UNDER THE TRUST INDENTURE ACT OF 1939 OF
A CORPORATION DESIGNATED TO ACT AS TRUSTEE


CHECK IF AN APPLICATION TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY OF
A TRUSTEE PURSUANT TO SECTION 305(b)(2) ________


THE CHASE MANHATTAN BANK
(Exact name of trustee as specified in its charter)

              NEW YORK                                        13-4994650
      ------------------------                            -------------------
      (State of incorporation                              (I.R.S. employer
       if not a national bank)                            identification No.)

          270 PARK AVENUE
         NEW YORK, NEW YORK                                     10017
----------------------------------------                      ----------
(Address of principal executive offices)                      (Zip Code)

                               William H. McDavid
                                 General Counsel
                                 270 Park Avenue
                            New York, New York 10017
                               Tel: (212) 270-2611
            ---------------------------------------------------------
            (Name, address and telephone number of agent for service)


                                   ----------

THE ST. PAUL COMPANIES, INC.
(Exact name of obligor as specified in its charter)

              MINNESOTA                                       41-0518860
   --------------------------------                       -------------------
   (State or other jurisdiction of                         (I.R.S. employer
    incorporation or organization)                        identification No.)

       385 WASHINGTON STREET
            ST. PAUL, MN                                        55102
----------------------------------------                      ----------
(Address of principal executive offices)                      (Zip Code)


                                   ----------

GUARANTEE OF PREFERRED SECURITIES OF ST. PAUL CAPITAL TRUST II
(Title of the indenture securities)


GENERAL

ITEM 1. GENERAL INFORMATION.

Furnish the following information as to the trustee:

(a) Name and address of each examining or supervising authority to which it is subject.

New York State Banking Department, State House, Albany, New York 12110.

Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, Washington, D.C., 20551

Federal Reserve Bank of New York, District No. 2, 33 Liberty Street, New York, N.Y.

Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Washington, D.C., 20429.

(b) Whether it is authorized to exercise corporate trust powers.

Yes.

ITEM 2. AFFILIATIONS WITH THE OBLIGOR.

If the obligor is an affiliate of the trustee, describe each such affiliation.

None.

-2-

ITEM 16. LIST OF EXHIBITS

List below all exhibits filed as a part of this Statement of Eligibility.

1. A copy of the Articles of Association of the Trustee as now in effect, including the Organization Certificate and the Certificates of Amendment dated February 17, 1969, August 31, 1977, December 31, 1980, September 9, 1982, February 28, 1985, December 2, 1991 and July 10, 1996 (see Exhibit 1 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 333-06249, which is incorporated by reference).

2. A copy of the Certificate of Authority of the Trustee to Commence Business (see Exhibit 2 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 33-50010, which is incorporated by reference. On July 14, 1996, in connection with the merger of Chemical Bank and The Chase Manhattan Bank (National Association), Chemical Bank, the surviving corporation, was renamed The Chase Manhattan Bank).

3. None, authorization to exercise corporate trust powers being contained in the documents identified above as Exhibits 1 and 2.

4. A copy of the existing By-Laws of the Trustee (see Exhibit 4 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 333-06249, which is incorporated by reference).

5. Not applicable.

6. The consent of the Trustee required by Section 321(b) of the Act (see Exhibit 6 to Form T-1 filed in connection with Registration Statement No. 33-50010, which is incorporated by reference. On July 14, 1996, in connection with the merger of Chemical Bank and The Chase Manhattan Bank (National Association), Chemical Bank, the surviving corporation, was renamed The Chase Manhattan Bank).

7. A copy of the latest report of condition of the Trustee, published pursuant to law or the requirements of its supervising or examining authority.

8. Not applicable.

9. Not applicable.

SIGNATURE

Pursuant to the requirements of the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 the Trustee, The Chase Manhattan Bank, a corporation organized and existing under the laws of the State of New York, has duly caused this statement of eligibility to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned, thereunto duly authorized, all in the City of New York and State of New York, on the 9th day of November, 2001.

THE CHASE MANHATTAN BANK

By /s/ Joanne Adamis
   --------------------------------------
       Joanne Adamis
       Vice President

-3-

Exhibit 7 to Form T-1

Bank Call Notice

RESERVE DISTRICT NO. 2
CONSOLIDATED REPORT OF CONDITION OF

The Chase Manhattan Bank
of 270 Park Avenue, New York, New York 10017
and Foreign and Domestic Subsidiaries,
a member of the Federal Reserve System,

at the close of business June 30, 2001, in accordance with a call made by the Federal Reserve Bank of this District pursuant to the provisions of the Federal Reserve Act.

                                                                                  DOLLAR AMOUNTS
                                ASSETS                                             IN MILLIONS
                                ------                                            --------------
Cash and balances due from depository institutions:
    Noninterest-bearing balances and
    currency and coin ..........................................................    $ 21,536
    Interest-bearing balances ..................................................      31,428
Securities:
Held to maturity securities.....................................................         481
Available for sale securities...................................................      60,903
Federal funds sold and securities purchased under
    agreements to resell .......................................................      42,824
Loans and lease financing receivables:
    Loans and leases held for sale..............................................       3,856
    Loans and leases, net of unearned income        $155,575
    Less: Allowance for loan and lease losses          2,276
    Loans and leases, net of unearned income and
    allowance...................................................................     153,299
Trading Assets
................................................................................      66,636
Premises and fixed assets (including capitalized leases)........................       4,468
Other real estate owned.........................................................          45
Investments in unconsolidated subsidiaries and associated
companies.......................................................................         353
Customers' liability to this bank on acceptances
    outstanding ................................................................         346
Intangible assets
        Goodwill................................................................       1,785
        Other Intangible assets.................................................       4,365
Other assets ...................................................................      19,923
                                                                                    --------
TOTAL ASSETS .......................................................................$412,248
                                                                                    ========

-4-

                                 LIABILITIES
                                 -----------
Deposits
    In domestic offices ........................................................    $137,865
    Noninterest-bearing ........................... $ 56,799
    Interest-bearing ...............................  81,066
    In foreign offices, Edge and Agreement
    subsidiaries and IBF's......................................................     113,924
        Noninterest-bearing........................ $  6,537
    Interest-bearing ..............................  107,387

Federal funds purchased and securities sold under agree-
ments to repurchase ............................................................      65,474
Trading liabilities ............................................................      39,611
Other borrowed money (includes mortgage indebtedness
    and obligations under capitalized leases)...................................      10,573
Bank's liability on acceptances executed and outstanding........................         346
Subordinated notes and debentures ..............................................       6,355
Other liabilities ..............................................................      14,772
TOTAL LIABILITIES ..............................................................     388,920
Minority Interest in consolidated subsidiaries..................................          89

                               EQUITY CAPITAL
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Perpetual preferred stock and related surplus...................................           0
Common stock ...................................................................       1,211
Surplus  (exclude all surplus related to preferred stock).......................      12,715
    Retained earnings...........................................................       9,985
    Accumulated other comprehensive income......................................        (672)
Other equity capital components.................................................           0
TOTAL EQUITY CAPITAL ...........................................................      23,239
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TOTAL LIABILITIES, MINORITY INTEREST, AND EQUITY CAPITAL                            $412,248
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I, Joseph L. Sclafani, E.V.P. & Controller of the above-named bank, do hereby declare that this Report of Condition has been prepared in conformance with the instructions issued by the appropriate Federal regulatory authority and is true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

JOSEPH L. SCLAFANI

We, the undersigned directors, attest to the correctness of this Report of Condition and declare that it has been examined by us, and to the best of our knowledge and belief has been prepared in conformance with the in- structions issued by the appropriate Federal regulatory authority and is true and correct.

WILLIAM B. HARRISON JR. )
DOUGLAS A. WARNER III ) DIRECTORS
WILLIAM H. GRAY III )

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